Quote of the year - I get techs because I want to

[ziggy]

Jax being Jax :facepalm:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/09/stephen-jackson-technical-fouls_n_820581.html



Apparently, Jackson wants (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Stephen-Jackson-controls-his-technicals-gets-ej?urn=nba-318650) to get technicals.
"No, I get techs because I want to (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-bobcats-jawingjack). I don't care," Jackson said a day before the game. "I'm not getting techs for no reason. It happens."

[BRNC]

...and this is the kind of dumb-a$$ attitude that I'd really like to see gone...as in far-far away...

[Absinthe]

They need to hurry up and try to move him. He thinks he's a top dog, he's a hot head, and he seems to be a pretty shitty teammate. Chicago will probably take him.

I posit that Gerald Wallace is having such a down year because he's sick of putting up with this kind of bullshit. The guy is a locker room cancer.

[Dcarnys]

Anyone read the comments section on the story. They made some good points, just sayin.

[Deadshot]

This is the same Jackson that played for the Spurs, Nets, Hawks, Pacers, and Warriors. No surprises here. Its unfortunate that the Cats are forced to use him as such an important scoring option right now. To get rid of him they will likely have to take back less value in return.

[Scottley Crue]

I imagine if you asked the refs, they'd give you Quote of the Year II: "We throw you out because we want to. That and you make it easy."

[Adam42R]

If I put out a video to the officials highlighting any one player as "the example" of what to T-up, you don't think that puts an image in officials minds of "who" to T-up? Get real.

Jax is emotional and he can be a team "cost" at times - but he gets T'd up for things that NOONE else in this league gets a technical for. Just watch any opposing (emotional) player and there are plenty - they get a far longer leash than Jax does.

Don't get me wrong, I think Jackson should be "more" careful than anyone else but he isn't. That's him and I am betting that in the moment, it's not in his field of vision - that's probably just his makeup. That doesn't make him belligerent or a bad guy.

[Scottley Crue]

If I put out a video to the officials highlighting any one player as "the example" of what to T-up, you don't think that puts an image in officials minds of "who" to T-up? Get real.

Jax is emotional and he can be a team "cost" at times - but he gets T'd up for things that NOONE else in this league gets a technical for. Just watch any opposing (emotional) player and there are plenty - they get a far longer leash than Jax does.

Don't get me wrong, I think Jackson should be "more" careful than anyone else but he isn't. That's him and I am betting that in the moment, it's not in his field of vision - that's probably just his makeup. That doesn't make him belligerent or a bad guy.

Now, I do agree he doesn't get many call he probably should and has a sharper eye put on him. The only thing about that is if I can notice it, so should he. It's the way the game is played for him, right or wrong, and he really needs to simply deal with it. I know it's not easy, but it's the reality of the situation. If he were to realize this and funnel his anger into productive play, he'd be even more dangerous. I really wish that's what he'd do.

[Adam42R]

I cannot disagree with you at all. I too wish he'd just kick it up to a higher gear as his default response.

In trying to put it into context (as I see it), I am not saying it's the right response.

[Scottley Crue]

I cannot disagree with you at all. I too wish he'd just kick it up to a higher gear as his default response.

In trying to put it into context (as I see it), I am not saying it's the right response.

I wasn't trying to question what you had written, just add to it. I'm also loopy on cough medicine right now, so I'm not sure how many of my actions I'm responsible for.

[Dmaxcs]

Jack should get back at the referees by getting steals, blocks, and causing turnovers. Or he could drill a three right in the defenders face and this would really help the team more. He should also pass the ball more and hold on it long because it seemed like the ball moved better when he was gone.

[Absinthe]

This is the same Jackson that played for the Spurs, Nets, Hawks, Pacers, and Warriors. No surprises here. Its unfortunate that the Cats are forced to use him as such an important scoring option right now. To get rid of him they will likely have to take back less value in return.

It's called addition by subtraction. The guy has been such a journeyman in the NBA because of his attitude problems. Golden State probably wanted to kiss the members of the Bobcats front office on the lips when they traded for him.

[Deadshot]

It's called addition by subtraction. The guy has been such a journeyman in the NBA because of his attitude problems. Golden State probably wanted to kiss the members of the Bobcats front office on the lips when they traded for him.

I understand completely but this will also set a team back a great deal. Indiana desperately wanted to get rid of him and in return they had to take on the contracts of Dunleavy and Murphy which are just now coming off the books. That was four seasons ago. Other posters here have proposed that the Cats let some of their current contracts expire and rebuild that way and I think thats the best approach. Doing so, however, could mean sticking it out with Jax.

[Absinthe]

I understand completely but this will also set a team back a great deal. Indiana desperately wanted to get rid of him and in return they had to take on the contracts of Dunleavy and Murphy which are just now coming off the books. That was four seasons ago. Other posters here have proposed that the Cats let some of their current contracts expire and rebuild that way and I think thats the best approach. Doing so, however, could mean sticking it out with Jax.

I'd trade him just to get rid of his contract. Take back either some youth or some middle of the road type players. I think if Chicago wants him and they'll trade Ronnie Brewer for him then the front office has to take something like that. That's as good as they're going to get and they may as well take it. Or maybe trade him to Dallas for Caron Butler's expiring contract.

[Felton for Prez]

That "personal" letter to fans seems like decades ago.

[ammofan]

While this quote makes Jack seem pretty crazy, It makes sense. We all watch EVERY SINGLE game and we all know Jack gets no calls. He's an emotional guy so it's hard for him to hold himslef back, but I understand why he gets angry and why he gets technicals. Someone has to make a point to the officials when things aren't going out way(unfairly). Now Jack does go overboard and I dont think he can contain himself. Because of that he probably should be dealt if at all possible.
Also.... I think alot of you guys do undervalue him. Sure he makes dumb plays sometimes and commits turnovers but he is also our most talented scorer and leading scorer. We can be a good team without him for a game or two, but can we be good for a season without his 20 points? Thats the question.

[BRNC]

I think folks want to make excuses for Jack and that's their right...but before saying things like :he gets no calls" I'll give a quick reality check...

Joe Johnson...free throw attempts=176...free throws made=143...

S. Jackson.....free throw attempts=223...free throws made=183...

He gets his fair share of calls but IMO he feels like he should get "every" call...no one in the league gets "every" call...he needs to adjust his attitude and think about the team...but since he never has I can only assume he never will...but please don't "claim" he never gets calls...it is just not true...

[Proudiddy]

This shit is ridiculous though. Jack needs to grow up. I've said millions of times before that Jack hurts the entire team with this stuff, not only because it gets him thrown out, but also because the refs take it out on our team for how he acts.

I remember a couple years back, may have been when LB first got here, and Bonnell did a piece on how he told the team to cut it out because the refs were sh*tting on us. It actually may have been when Bickerstaff was still coach... I can't remember now... But the point of it was that our team does it to themselves because we were complaining like we were the Lakers or Spurs and it pissed the refs off to the point that they would make calls against us because we were "whiny." I think LB told us to cut it out because we weren't that good yet IIRC.

This is what Jack is doing... He's complaining about stuff and it's actually never going to work in his favor, instead the refs turn into jackasses and say "he thought that was a bad call? wait till I make this one!"

Jack reminds me of me a few years back, in my pre-twenties, early twenties, when I thought everyone was out to get me. He's went from the acceptance stage to "They're not in control, I am" stage. That's fine if "they're out to get you," despite what people think, there are some people in this world that get singled out for reasons outside of their own actions... BUT, Jack won't be any help to us or himself until he accepts responsibility for his actions and realize that he can't change what THEY do, but instead concentrate on what he can control to lessen THEIR (the refs) impact on him and others. They may affect minute aspects of the game, but they don't affect the ultimate outcome - he can. Or he can just keep whining about it and piss them off more. He should shut it and take it out on the opponent. His quote is full of shit, he's essentially crying to the press.

[WrxErik]

I'll try to throw a positive spin on this. His stupidity or just Jackson being Jackson gets our team media exposure that is desperately needs. He puts our team on the national map more than anyone else.

[Orlando Juice]

Send him our way.

Him and Dwight would form the most potent technical foul duo in league history.

[teej]

Only if you give us Redick, Bass and Orton.

[Demon DeaCat]

I think folks want to make excuses for Jack and that's their right...but before saying things like :he gets no calls" I'll give a quick reality check...

Joe Johnson...free throw attempts=176...free throws made=143...

S. Jackson.....free throw attempts=223...free throws made=183...

He gets his fair share of calls but IMO he feels like he should get "every" call...no one in the league gets "every" call...he needs to adjust his attitude and think about the team...but since he never has I can only assume he never will...but please don't "claim" he never gets calls...it is just not true...

I don't know that this is the fairest comparison though. JJ and Jack are different players. Jack should get to the line more because he's more of a slasher. But that still doesn't mean he gets there as much as he should. I think there are two truths that are absolutely irrefutable. 1) Jack gets treated differently (i.e. unfairly) with respect to other players, and 2) Jack has brought this treatment on himself due to his own previous bad behavior and needs to grin and bear it.

I don't think it's making excuses to say that there is an obvious double standard where Jack is concerned. When Pierce didn't get a call he was slapping his wrist and flailing his arms all the way to half court. There's absolutely no way Jack would get away with that. The flagrant he got that Pierce didn't get is another case in point. I could fill up this screen with similar examples. Does any of this excuse his actions, no, but it's not hard to understand why this would be incredibly frustrating to him. I can understand why we're frustrated as well because it's a frustrating situation for everyone. But what I still can't understand is how we go from frustration, which is perfectly rational, to "let's trade Jack for Ronnie Brewer and (insert random scrub)" which is completely irrational in my opinion. I'm just wondering if it's possible for us to have a more balanced approach in which we can acknowledge his faults, but at the same time appreciate the value he brings to our team?

[Absinthe]

Stephen Jackson expects to get the superstar treatment even though he's better suited as a second or third option. He would absolutely flourish in a place like Chicago, but he's never going to be a solid number one option. Kevin Martin shoots a ton of free throws and gets a lot of calls because he's well liked, he initiates contact, and he has a good reputation. Stephen Jackson needs to get over it. He's never going to get the calls that Lebron, Wade, Kobe, etc. get. He's never even going to get the calls Kevin Martin gets for the reasons I listed earlier. Is it unfair that he is targeted? Not really. Jackson has brought a lot of this upon himself.

[Orlando Juice]

Only if you give us Redick, Bass and Orton.

I would happily oblige if it didn't include Redick. Bass has played well this season, but he's a black hole on offense. The only way you're getting the ball back is if you hit the glass, or use Jedi mind trick.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Refereeing should not be about agendas or personal issues. It should be about calling the games accurately. In no other pro sport is there such bullshit obvious preferential treatment given to star players and such biased discrimination of other players. Pro basketball can be great but the officials are so piss poor in the league that it makes it hard to watch. I imagine the people who have Superstars on their teams don't mind the BS because the refs favor them and their teams. Those of us not that fortunate have to deal with the referees playing a major role in the outcome of games against our teams. I don't think gambling amongst the refs is happening anymore but the biases and personal vendettas are happening and it is disgusting. The games should as much as possible be determined by the players and not the refs.

Jax tried to come to Charlotte with a renewed attitude and the refs have decided that his past will not be forgotten. I agree that he should raise his level of play but it is disheartening when the refs have a target on you. It is kind of hard to play through BS biases and I don't blame Jax for being disgusted. He is a much better player than many want to credit him with but his play has been hindered by referees who won't make calls on his behalf and call bogus calls against him. I would be frustrated as well.

[teej]

he's a black hole on offense. The only way you're getting the ball back is if you hit the glass, or use Jedi mind trick.

Wait, you weren't talking about Jack?

Oh.

Well hey, Bass gets the ball less than Jack, so it's a smaller black hole.

[Proudiddy]

After what happened last night... Jack can do whatever he wants and I won't hold it against him. The man approaches it differently is does his best to restrain himself, treats the refs with respect the entire game, and they still shit on him for it... Not just any shit - the shit of all shits. Let him do what he wants. I'm hoping at this point, being that they hold it against him anyway, that he goes Van Exel on their asses and punches one of them bitches in the face and throws him over the scorers table.

[TheBeagle]

That "personal" letter to fans seems like decades ago. LOL Yeah. That heartfelt "personal" letter that he sat down at his PC and crafted for the fans. Maybe if he didn't act like such a taint, as this thread's quote illustrates, he would get more calls like last night in Indiana, for example. Trade him, cut him, whatever: just get him out of here.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

LOL Yeah. That heartfelt "personal" letter that he sat down at his PC and crafted for the fans. Maybe if he didn't act like such a taint, as this thread's quote illustrates, he would get more calls like last night in Indiana, for example. Trade him, cut him, whatever: just get him out of here.Jax past "taint" behavior should have no baring on how the refs call games that he is involved in. There is no place for personal vendettas when it comes to officiating games. There are a lot of other players on teams besides the ones the officials do not like and those players do not deserve to be cheated out of wins because of crappy officiating.

Jax for the most part has been a model citizen. At least by his standards. He has not made a scene to the press for the most part and he comes out almost every night and plays hard. He has been responsible for our team winning several games and without his contributions to the team we lose more games due to him missing than we have thus far.. Has Jax bonehead play contributed to costing us some games? Sure it has but if you are really honest about it he makes our team better more often than not. Would I trade him? No doubt. If the right piece or pieces were made available I would. I sure as hell don't have this "Jax is a dick and we should trade him for anything" mentality. Your dislike for Jax is a bit over the top in my mind Beagle. Jax is too good a player to just cut and if we trade him we better get some value back.