NBA Refs take away a Bobcats win!

[ammofan]

Are you kidding me?????? This deserves it's own new thread. We just were screwed out of a win. We fought back had it within 1 and Jack is hammered(a CLEAR foul) and there is no call. The referee's stand and stare for a few seconds and walk off the floor.
Was this game fixed? I doubt it but you can't help to wonder when there is no call on a play like that. Was there no call because Stephen Jackson was the shooter? Probably. Paul Pierce got a 3 point foul on Monday night and he wasn't touched(Livingston doesn't fix games...). How do you not call a foul on that play? I honestly do not get this.

[Dcarnys]

I was watching it with a friend of mine, huge Pacers fan. His words "Yep that was a foul". I went on to tell him this bullshit has ben going on for............. Ohhh you know.

[BRNC]

I've always been reluctant to blame an "L" on the refs...I still am...we played piss-poor BB for 3.5 quarters...we had 27 trips to the FT line...they had 26...

It was stupid to not call a time-out and set a play...particularly when we only needed 2 pts. to win...and depending on a foul call when we're nowhere close to the basket...behind with seconds ticking off...we lost the game foul or not...that was BS play at the end on our part...

[WrxErik]

I don't care about the rest of the game after watching Pierce get the call at the end on monday, It makes this that much worse.

[Scottley Crue]

I've always been reluctant to blame an "L" on the refs...I still am...we played piss-poor BB for 3.5 quarters...we had 27 trips to the FT line...they had 26...

It was stupid to not call a time-out and set a play...particularly when we only needed 2 pts. to win...and depending on a foul call when we're nowhere close to the basket...behind with seconds ticking off...we lost the game foul or not...that was BS play at the end on our part...

There are plenty of things the Bobcats could have done differently to win, mainly concerning better defense in the first half. However, that was clearly a foul at the end of the game and it was missed. I don't know if that's something that can be appealed (I doubt it), but if I'm the Bobcats' FO, I make very sure the league knows how unhappy I am with this situation.

[Dmaxcs]

If Wallace had made both of his FT's the game would have been tied. The refs could should have at least looked at the instant replay because I think there is some new rule about instant replays at the end of games.

[Deadshot]

If Wallace had made both of his FT's the game would have been tied. The refs could should have at least looked at the instant replay because I think there is some new rule about instant replays at the end of games.

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/10/21/instant-replay/index.html

[ammofan]

I dont care whether it was a smart play or not to do what we did.....but it was a foul and they refused to call it one. The refs cost us this game/

[BigMike]

Foul - End of Period

A foul called with no time remaining on the clock (0:00)

Reviewable Matter-
Whether the following occurred:
(1) Foul committed prior to the expiration of time on the game clock.
(2) Shooter releases the ball prior to expiration of time on the game clock.
(3) Shooter fouled was attempting a 2ptfg or 3ptfg.
(4) Player fouled committed a boundary line violation immediately prior to the foul.
(5) 24-second clock expired.
(6) 8-second backcourt violation occurred

The officials to determine if (and how much) time should be put on the game clock if it is determined through replay that a player committed
(a.) a boundary line violation
(b.) a 24-second violation
(c.) an 8-second backcourt violation or
(d.) a called foul occurred prior to the expiration of time on the game clock.

They whistled the game dead, they should have stopped to review if the foul happed before or after the game expired. "We didn't call it a foul because we called the game over" is the simple logic to review it... the point of the review rules is to make sure they get it right... they OBVIOUSLY did not get it right last night.

[Chef]

there is no doubt the refs botched an obvious foul and in all probablility cost us a win or tie (i think jax definitely makes 1 out of 3). but, (and i am sure i am alone here) am glad the refs have really cracked down on the drawing contact out side and hoisting up a crap shot to get a cheap call play. sure, some players are getting that call every once in awhile (i am thinking about pierce and wade recently) but on average it is being called much less in all games. i have seen kobe, bron, wade, pierce and other big name stars repeatedly not get that call. i am sure the refs at first thought that it was the typical looking to get bailed out play and were not going to let the game be decided that way. it actually turned out to be a pretty clear foul (even from the pacer player's reactions) and i would like to have seen a call made even if it came late.

[Scottley Crue]

Big Mike...the only thing I can think of is that the refs didn't think that was a foul, which I believe we all vehemently disagree with. This gets me thinking about a protest; if this is a "protestable" situation. I know they're usually not won, but I think it would mean a great deal to the organization and fan base if the FO made the effort to have this looked at again. I found what I could about protests on NBA.com and this is what it says. It appears to me this could be protested...does anyone else read it that way?


Protests are not permitted during the course of a game. In order to file a protest, the procedure, as set forth in the NBA constitution, is as follows: "In order to protest against or appeal from the result of a game, notice thereof must be given to the Commissioner within forty-eight (48) hours after the conclusion of said game, by E-mail or fax, stating therein the grounds for such protest. No protest may be filed in connection with any game played during the regular season after midnight of the day of the last game of the regular schedule. A protest in connection with a playoff game must be filed not later than midnight of the day of the game protested. A game may be protested only by a Governor, Alternate Governor or Head Coach. The right of protest shall inure not only to the immediately allegedly aggrieved con-testants, but to any other member who can show an interest in the grounds of protest and the results that might be attained if the protest were allowed. Each E-mail or fax of protest shall be immediately confirmed by letter and no protest shall be valid unless the letter of confirmation is accompanied by a check in the sum of $10,000 payable to the Association. If the member filing the protest prevails, the $10,000 is to be refunded. If the member does not prevail, the $10,000 is to be for-feited and retained in the Association treasury.

"Upon receipt of a protest, the Commissioner shall at once notify the member operating the opposing team in the game protested and require both of said mem-bers within five (5) days to file with him such evidence as he may desire bearing upon the issue. The Commissioner shall decide the question raised within five (5) days after receipt of such evidence."

[Adam42R]

I found what I could about protests on NBA.com and this is what it says. It appears to me this could be protested...does anyone else read it that way?


I think the definition of protest against or appeal from the result of the game is what would make this a non-starter. If there was a math issue ([mis]allocated points) or there was a foot on the line (3 vs. 2 pt) or even something like an incorrect number of free throws awarded for some reason or another (some cluster around techs and flagrant and so on) then I think there's a case. Unless there is a clear case that the sideline (or any of the three) refs called the foul (I know he called the 3, but I don't know if he blew his whistle for the foul) then I am not sure what there is to protest other than to request this group of officials be suspended until such time they can be cleared of potential game fixing (now where's my tinfoil hat??).

But I agree with you on this in part. Even if it is throwing away $10k, I'd like to see this protested just for the sake of being wronged.

[GoBobs]

the refs try to screw us a lot that is just part of being the Bobcats

[ALuhrs704]

im still pissed about it. no matter how bad we played we were in the situation and the refs blew it. there should be a system if a ref blows a game he should be fined or suspended bottom line. the nba wants us contracted

[Absinthe]

Let me ask some of you a really important question. This needs to be answered honestly. Most of you seem to be in favor of keeping the team the way it is because you feel like they can't get equal value back if Wallace or Jackson are traded. With that said, do you REALLY want your number one option to be a player that is clearly disliked by the refs and isn't going to get a fair shake if the game is on the line? If anything, that's just another reason to trade him.

[ALuhrs704]

Big Mike...the only thing I can think of is that the refs didn't think that was a foul, which I believe we all vehemently disagree with. This gets me thinking about a protest; if this is a "protestable" situation. I know they're usually not won, but I think it would mean a great deal to the organization and fan base if the FO made the effort to have this looked at again. I found what I could about protests on NBA.com and this is what it says. It appears to me this could be protested...does anyone else read it that way?

Protests are not permitted during the course of a game. In order to file a protest, the procedure, as set forth in the NBA constitution, is as follows: "In order to protest against or appeal from the result of a game, notice thereof must be given to the Commissioner within forty-eight (48) hours after the conclusion of said game, by E-mail or fax, stating therein the grounds for such protest. No protest may be filed in connection with any game played during the regular season after midnight of the day of the last game of the regular schedule. A protest in connection with a playoff game must be filed not later than midnight of the day of the game protested. A game may be protested only by a Governor, Alternate Governor or Head Coach. The right of protest shall inure not only to the immediately allegedly aggrieved con-testants, but to any other member who can show an interest in the grounds of protest and the results that might be attained if the protest were allowed. Each E-mail or fax of protest shall be immediately confirmed by letter and no protest shall be valid unless the letter of confirmation is accompanied by a check in the sum of $10,000 payable to the Association. If the member filing the protest prevails, the $10,000 is to be refunded. If the member does not prevail, the $10,000 is to be for-feited and retained in the Association treasury.

"Upon receipt of a protest, the Commissioner shall at once notify the member operating the opposing team in the game protested and require both of said mem-bers within five (5) days to file with him such evidence as he may desire bearing upon the issue. The Commissioner shall decide the question raised within five (5) days after receipt of such evidence."

i agree 110% with you that we should protest, and by the looks of this it is grounds to do so. however you know the nba would not reverse the outcome of the game and they would screw us twice out of 1 game lol

[BlockParty]

the nba wants us contracted

I think David Stern loves having MJ as an owner. Outside of Cuban (who Stern doesn't like), which NBA owner has more clout in basketball discussions.

And there are far too many other teams in worse shape than the Bobcats. We have a new arena, an engaged ownership group, we can actually see the light at the end of the tunnel on some bad contracts and we've made the playoffs last year.

The grip with Jackson and the refs is a ticking time bomb and my guess is, all of the refs will be disciplined in some way for last night's outcome (and we will never find out about it, it's behind closed doors and protected by the Ref's union contract with the NBA.)

[davcbow]

We could always get the amateur refs again like a few seasons ago where just about everything was a foul.. :)

[WrxErik]

I love how everything in every thread comes down to trade this player or that player. Mods made a new forum for trade talks so talk about it in there. But to answer your question, Rep should have nothing to do with calls and the fact that it does just shows how fucked the NBA is. I mean some of the stuff you guys say really makes me question your fanhood. There is no excuse for what happened last night.

[Scottley Crue]

I think David Stern loves having MJ as an owner. Outside of Cuban (who Stern doesn't like), which NBA owner has more clout in basketball discussions.

And there are far too many other teams in worse shape than the Bobcats. We have a new arena, an engaged ownership group, we can actually see the light at the end of the tunnel on some bad contracts and we've made the playoffs last year.

The grip with Jackson and the refs is a ticking time bomb and my guess is, all of the refs will be disciplined in some way for last night's outcome (and we will never find out about it, it's behind closed doors and protected by the Ref's union contract with the NBA.)

I'm with you on this. I can see some behind-the-scenes discipline being handed out for their actions (or lack thereof, rather). Though I don't want to encourage Jack's bad behavior towards refs, if I were the Bobcats' FO, I'd have a nice file of clips showing my issues with his treatment to the League office. Jack's got a well-earned reputation, but some things are downright ridiculous.