Would Sloan work as '11- '12 season coach?

[Twan's Kin]

Do you all think Jerry Sloan would be a good fit as the 'Cats Coach for next season?

[DY_nasty]

Whats wrong with Silas?

[teej]

No. He's too much like LB in terms of needing "his" guys to work. Paul gets whoever he's given to overacheive, Jerry (as great of a coach as he is) has to have his type of player to have the team succeed. And with the contract mess we're in, that's not possible.

[ohara831]

I like Sloan. But I like D-Will for Crash and DJ a lot more!

[WAM9]

Why would Sloan leave Utah?

[TheGayKid]

Why would Sloan leave Utah?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6109031

[SWedd523]

Sloan has resigned from his job in Utah due to a personal clash with Deron. Duh, he'd work as our coach and duh he's better than Silas. But he'd never come here so this is a pointless discussion

[ammofan]

No.............

[ziggy]

Sloan has resigned from his job in Utah due to a personal clash with Deron. Duh, he'd work as our coach and duh he's better than Silas. But he'd never come here so this is a pointless discussion

What was his beef with Deron. And yes, I'm too lazy to google it :biggrin:

[Chef]

i fear sloan is going the way of LB. deron williams should be added to list of the superstar: punk ass spoiled babies who are really good at basketball and want millions but don't want the burden of wins and losses on their shoulders.

sloan is done coaching. to quote lethal weapon "he is getting to old for this shit"

[teej]

Deron called his own plays. Jerry wanted to call the plays. Deron won.

[DY_nasty]

Deron doesn't have anything close to the power or pull needed to out Sloan. Nor did he want to.

Sloan just got too old for the game and the game changing began to effect how things were even in his own locker room. It was as good a time as any for Sloan to leave. No big ordeal, no drawn out 'last season' - Sloan left. He wasn't going to coach forever anyways and a year long extension was nothing more than courteous way of asking if he still felt like coaching at the time. The NBA has changed and Sloan was tired. Thats pretty much all there is to it.

Williams began by stating that he was in "shock" at today's news. "I didn't think he would ever retire in the middle of the season," Williams said. "I watched the press conference and he said it was his time."

Williams then took a swipe at reporters claming that he had a role in Sloan's departure. "All those guys, Ric Bucher, Chris Broussard, they're all in our locker room everyday," Williams deadpanned. "I'll let them report what they want to report, that's what they are paid to do. That's why I'm always short and rude with the media, because they're your friend. Ric comes in and sits by me every time I see him, acts like he's my friend, but the day they find something they want to spin, they jump on it. That's why I am the way I am and will continue to be the way I am."

Williams did admit that he and Sloan had had differences of opinions during his time in Utah. "Me and Coach Sloan, I don't want to say [we had] a rocky relationship, but we've have our disagreements over the years. Probably no more than any other coach and player have arguments. We're both competitive, we're both very stubborn. I think that's where we clash. One thing we always agreed on is that we both wanted to win."

Williams denied a report that he had approached Jazz management saying that he wouldn't re-sign with the team when he's a free agent if Sloan was still the head coach. "That's not true. I would never force coach Sloan out of Utah. He's meant more to this town and organization than I have by far. It's not my place."
http://1320kfan.com/index.php/audio/listen/jerry_sloan_resignation_deron_williams_feb_10

[Absinthe]

I think you're 100% incorrect. Do you honestly expect coach killers to come out and say that they were the reason the coach in question was killed? The Utah organization is bending over to accommodate Deron because they don't want him to leave. That's all there is to it. If Deron Williams won't take accountability on the court then what makes you think he'd take accountability for something off the court as well? The guy just signed an extension not too long ago. You mean to tell me that he magically determined it was his time to quit coaching? I don't buy it. If you know anything about Sloan's personality then you'd know he's frank and doesn't mince words. He probably hurt Deron's feelings and created some tension in the locker room. If so, add him to the Lebrons, Boshs, Wades, etc. of the NBA. Utah is going to pick Deron over Sloan every time and that's exactly what happened. Another thing to consider is that Sloan is somewhat close to Nelle's most NBA games won record. Did he step down on his own accord? Probably, but it was likely because he got tired of the locker room bullshit. But what can the organization expect? Brewer, Korver, and Boozer are no longer there. They wasted a draft pick in last year's draft. They got Al Jefferson in the off season (I would have resigned right then and there). Okur has been injured. The ship is sinking.

Sloan's offense would never work with the players the Bobcats have. The pick in roll is his bread and butter. It usually involves at least one talented big. A two man game with DJ/Kwame or DJ/Tyrus would be a mess to watch.

[SWedd523]

The Utah organization is bending over to accommodate Deron because they don't want him to leave.

This is exactly the case and I can't necessarily fault them for it as Deron has more money making potential than Sloan does (as much as I hate to say that about a top 3 coach). Players on the team have been cited as saying Sloan/Deron have come to words many times throughout the season and Sloan felt that he was losing the team and star player. This isn't anything other than another case of the prima donna being the one in control.


Deron is still my favorite player lol

[spectre]

Betcha Williams still walks when he can...so after that Utah will be in the same boat as the rest of the "bottom line watching" small market/bubble playoff teams. Say what you want about Sloan...but he did a helluva lot with not a lot of resources. If he had the FO willing to spend money like LAL or NY he'd have had multiple rings.

Sloan had differences with Malone & Stockton...but from what I read the old owner (Miller?) was the go between that made everything all right.

Utah and the NBA are going to really miss him.

[ohara831]

I dont know if it is true, but what I heard on ESPN Raido this morning was that in his 23 years, he had only 1 season below .500, and 1 season at .500. All the others were winning seasons. If true, that is remarkable to have been done in Utah.

[teej]

I dont know if it is true, but what I heard on ESPN Raido this morning was that in his 23 years, he had only 1 season below .500, and 1 season at .500. All the others were winning seasons. If true, that is remarkable to have been done in Utah.

Yeah, that's correct. He also had two losing seasons with the Bulls.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Sloan#Head_coaching_record

[DY_nasty]

I think you're 100% incorrect. Do you honestly expect coach killers to come out and say that they were the reason the coach in question was killed? The Utah organization is bending over to accommodate Deron because they don't want him to leave. That's all there is to it. If Deron Williams won't take accountability on the court then what makes you think he'd take accountability for something off the court as well? The guy just signed an extension not too long ago. You mean to tell me that he magically determined it was his time to quit coaching? I don't buy it. If you know anything about Sloan's personality then you'd know he's frank and doesn't mince words. He probably hurt Deron's feelings and created some tension in the locker room. If so, add him to the Lebrons, Boshs, Wades, etc. of the NBA. Utah is going to pick Deron over Sloan every time and that's exactly what happened. Another thing to consider is that Sloan is somewhat close to Nelle's most NBA games won record. Did he step down on his own accord? Probably, but it was likely because he got tired of the locker room bullshit. But what can the organization expect? Brewer, Korver, and Boozer are no longer there. They wasted a draft pick in last year's draft. They got Al Jefferson in the off season (I would have resigned right then and there). Okur has been injured. The ship is sinking.

Sloan's offense would never work with the players the Bobcats have. The pick in roll is his bread and butter. It usually involves at least one talented big. A two man game with DJ/Kwame or DJ/Tyrus would be a mess to watch.When has a 1 year extension ever met anything?

And ESPN's been rolling out sensational bullshit out nonstop over the past 6 months. Deron could win 3 MVPS and he still wouldn't come close to touching Sloan's impact in Utah.

Sloan should've been the coach hit hardest by the new technical wave, instead he barely gets noticed. Why? Because he's not in it anymore. Dude is old as hell and has been coaching for longer than most of the NBA's players have been alive. Dude got tired.

[SWedd523]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/210829/Report_Confrontation_With_Williams_Led_To_Sloans_D eparture

Sloan and Williams clashed at halftime of Wednesday's loss to the Bulls. At least two members of the Jazz feared Sloan and Williams would physically fight, but the confrontation ended before reaching that point.
“He decided right there in halftime that he was done,” a league source told Yahoo! Sports. “He felt like ownership was listening more to Williams than they were to him anymore. He was done."

STEIN_LINE_HQ RT @tribjazz: Sources say Sloan had lost team. One described situation as Deron Williams only staying if Sloan stepped down


@tribjazz Multiple sources say Williams and Sloan have gotten into at least three blowups this season.


@STEIN_LINE_HQ Yet one source stressed incident was just one of many flareups in recent weeks symptomatic of declining relationship between coach and star


@tribjazz Everything from playing time, Sloan's system and rotations alienated key Jazz players, sources say


@tribjazz Increasing feeling that Jazz's Williams would not return after next season if Sloan stuck around, sources say


@tribjazz Jazz's Sloan, Williams had heated confrontations early in season, two weeks ago and Wednesday night, sources say.


@tribjazz Update: Jazz's Sloan lost Williams, lost team, sources say http://bit.ly/i3tc1N


@WojYahooNBA Showdown between Sloan and Williams became so heated Wednesday, at least two Jazz players feared they could come to blows. Never escalated


@tribjazz While news of Sloan leave is shocking and sad, key Jazz sources say move has been building all season


@STEIN_LINE_HQ From everything known about latest clashes, frustrated as D-Will was/is, it was Sloan who essentially said "me or him." Result: Resignation

[SWedd523]

And then you have this:



@tribjazz O'Connor, Gail Miller, Greg Miller, Ty Corbin, Sloan, Phil Johnson, Rigby on podium.

@tribjazz Rigby: Jazz have accepted resignation of Sloan, Johnson

@tribjazz Rigby: Sloan — You gave us your best.

@tribjazz Jazz president Rigby crying.

@tribjazz Jazz's Corbin compose. Sloan: "This is going to be tougher than I thought it would be." Sloan is crying

@tribjazz Jazz's Sloan cried heavily after speech, then dabbed eyes with Kleenex

@tribjazz Jazz's Corbin looks stunned.

@tribjazz Jazz's O'Connor: Up until 10 minutes ago, we were still trying to talk Jerry and Phil out of leaving.



Everyone crying and emotional? I don't think being tired is what led him to leave midway through the season after everything he's been through with the franchise. SOMETHING happened to push him out.

[Absinthe]

Yeah, that's what I thought. It's clear as crystal what happened there. They're doing the exact same thing New Orleans is doing with Chris Paul. Scared of losing their star player so they'll try to accommodate him in every way possible. Coaches are pretty worthless in today's NBA. A player can completely hold a team hostage and that's what happened in Utah.

I have no idea what is going on with that team. I still don't see why they're paying Milsap major bucks to play second fiddle to Al Jefferson. I don't understand the trades they did last year and I don't understand why they let certain players walk. One things for sure, the team will be worse off without Sloan there. And they could kiss Deron's feet, but he will not resign there.

[BRNC]

Guys...if you know anything about Sloan it is this...he's as competitive as MJ...he left because he no longer had that "driving burn" to coach...it is that simple...

It might be true that the players, league, times have changed...and I can see that he probably feels his time has come and gone...but that's the point...he feels that and decided to leave when "he decided to leave"...it was his decision...and if he still wanted to coach it would be the Jazz not us...

[Absinthe]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6114658

Malone is closer to him than anyone and he thinks it was mainly because of player problems.

Apparently Al Jefferson is already tuning out the new coach. They've got major problems on that team. Sloan probably got to his breaking point and said to hell with it all.

Then you've got Deron Williams saying that constantly arguing with Sloan was probably the last straw for him. And people still think that he wasn't forced out? Bullshit.

[BRNC]

Forced out is when an organization asks you to leave...not after they've extended you and then offer another year...I don't doubt the Jazz have problems...but Sloan was not "forced out"...