Bobcats waive Sherron, Dom, UPS, Marks, and MoPete

[ammofan]

I feel bad for Sherron....he's a really hard working kid and I have been cheering for him. Plus he's my sister's fav player on the Cats and she's sad now lol.

But why did we cut 5? What the heck is going on down there?

[teej]

Sherron did work hard, but he just doesn't have the talent.

I don't get why we cut all 5 either unless they're planning on doing D-League call-ups?

[Chef]

maybe to get a buy out center if there are any? we have space both physically and financially.

[teej]

maybe to get a buy out center if there are any? we have space both physically and financially.

Who, though? Marks could've played center.

[Marvel]

Huh?

10char

[Marvel]

Dalembert?

[Chef]

pave the way for jordan to step down as majority owner and play the backup 2 for the rest of the season?

[ammofan]

I hope we do bring in some other guys! SEAN WILLIAMS! lolololol

[ziggy]

They cut UPS? Of the 5, that one surprises me the most.

Who is going to do the pregame dance now?

[ammofan]

pave the way for jordan to step down as majority owner and play the backup 2 for the rest of the season?

hmmmmmm!!!!

[TheGayKid]

How odd...

[ammofan]

They cut UPS? Of the 5, that one surprises me the most.

Who is going to do the pregame dance now?

It will be a duet between the DJ's!

[teej]

Unfortunately, the dancing was all UPS was good for.

[WFU4LIFE]

This leaves us really thin at SF now doesn't it? Who's backing up Stack Jack?

[Scottley Crue]

Maybe there's someone they want out of the people that will be bought out? Not sure why all five were waived.

[Marvel]

Link? Source?

Edit: my bad just got it.

[teej]

DJ/Liv
Hendo/Carroll
Jack/Cunningham
Diaw/Najera/White/(Tyrus)
Kwame/Pryz/(Diop)

[The Prodigy]

Please sign Jeff Adrein. Not that we need any more Forwards though.

[WFU4LIFE]

DJ/Liv
Hendo/Carroll
Jack/Cunningham
Diaw/Najera/White/(Tyrus)
Kwame/Pryz/(Diop)
Yeah I guess, but Cunningham was playing C for PDX. I know he is only 6'8, but I still don't see him as a SF. Very odd to cut UPS unless something else is coming.

[dnbman]

DJ/Liv
Hendo/Carroll
Jack/Cunningham
Diaw/Najera/White/(Tyrus)
Kwame/Pryz/(Diop)

Man that looks thin! Whew!

[dnbman]

Please sign Jeff Adrein. Not that we need any more Forwards though.

GS signed him.

[ohara831]

Funny how LB loved playing UPS and not Hendo, and Silas is the exact opposite. To the point MJ waived UPS.

[The Prodigy]

GS signed him.
Ahhhhh poopy

[G-Force]

Why UPS? Dude it hilarious and had showmanship.

If Ups is waived, he will be picked up by another team... Guarantee. If anything just for his entertainment in the locker room.

[G-Force]

Mike Cranston tweet:

While Marks, Peterson will eventually go, they'll initially count on roster RT @BradThomas (http://twitter.com/BradThomas): bobcats waived 5, only needed to waive 3, why?

What? can someone explain?

[Woody]

From Press Release:
In addition, the Bobcats have waived guard Sherron Collins and forward Dominic McGuire in order to create the requisite number of roster spots.

No mention of anyone else

[ammofan]

From Press Release:
In addition, the Bobcats have waived guard Sherron Collins and forward Dominic McGuire in order to create the requisite number of roster spots.

No mention of anyone else

That was only considering the Wallace trade

[DY_nasty]

UPS... if only you rebounded with two hands

[SWedd523]

Dante isn't a SF so cutting both UPS and Dom makes absolutely no sense. There has to be something else in the works because Jack is our only SF right now and Hendo and Hammer will NOT cut it at the SG slot.

[ALong13]

I really hope UPS is retained and gets time at SF. Henderson will greatly benefit from this trade. McGuire and Collins are really no big loss, definitely with Livingston stepping up lately. But we are now really thin at SF and C, definite if Pryzibilla or however his name is spelled retires or gets bought out.

I understand we wanted to get some depth at center and some flexibility later on, but the Nazr trade really added nothing to our team. Wallace got us long-term flexibility, but short-term, just losses. I just pray we can nail some first round picks as we've done horrible at drafting so far. DJ and Henderson are still being evaluated, but everyone else has been horrible.

[LiquidWayno]

NO BROWN. Somebody Kill Me.

[BRNC]

I knew about "Tank" and Dom...where are the other cuts coming from...I've not seen that release...anyone have a link?

[SWedd523]

Yeah, I've yet to see the link saying UPS was cut. If so, it was yet another dumb move from today (not that I think he's that good)

[Black]

Yeah, I've yet to see the link saying UPS was cut. If so, it was yet another dumb move from today (not that I think he's that good)



mikecranston1 Mike Cranston
Mohammed trade official. Derrick Brown waived.

http://twitter.com/#!/mikecranston1

[G-Force]

I don't understand the logic behind Nazr's trade? Nazr is an expiring, and players coming back have the same salaries.

We could have at least traded with the Magic for a role player... WTF?!

[SWedd523]

Thanks black!


I don't understand the logic behind Nazr's trade? Nazr is an expiring, and players coming back have the same salaries.

We could have at least traded with the Magic for a role player... WTF?!

Yeah, the Crash trade can be rationalized, but the Nazr trade is still a head scratcher. We get a 4th string PF and a guy who we cut for an expiring and we didn't even get a pick. Did MJ rack up some gambling debts and need money quick?

[Black]

For some strange reason I still like DJ White. He has missed a lot of time due to injury, but as far as I know nothing that should affect him long term. He missed five months as a rookie due to surgery to remove a growth on his jaw, and missed a lot of time his second season with thumb surgery.

Maybe I just remember him being a beast at IU, but he is still a young big who still has his knees intact. I think he could crack the rotation if we hold onto him next year.

[Ghost Kat]

For some strange reason I still like DJ White.

This....

I for one am not sad to see Nazr go. Not at all. D.J. White could still be something. Oakley did it for Kwame I have to believe he could do the same for White over time. Peterson is a Vet back up for Henderson who'll be starting now I hope. It was a good trade.

[Black]

This....

I for one am not sad to see Nazr go. Not at all. D.J. White could still be something. Oakley did it for Kwame I have to believe he could do the same for White over time. Peterson is a Vet back up for Henderson who'll be starting now I hope. It was a good trade.

Peterson is expected to be waived if he hasn't already been.

[Ghost Kat]

Peterson is expected to be waived if he hasn't already been.

We'll just forget that last part. I actually thought Mo Pete would have been a good addition to this team.

[ND22]

What can Brown do for you? Apparently nothing. :(

Don't get that unless they plan is to play Diaw at the 3 when Jack isn't in the game. Still leaves us thin.

[BlockParty]

They cut UPS? Of the 5, that one surprises me the most.

Who is going to do the pregame dance now?

duhh...The Beagle

[ALong13]

Well this looks to be true, Bobcats updated roster and all 5 of these players are now missing...Hoping DJ White gets some run as he's the only one I'm actually interested in

[docend24]

Yeah I guess, but Cunningham was playing C for PDX. I know he is only 6'8, but I still don't see him as a SF. Very odd to cut UPS unless something else is coming.

How is that odd? Peterson and White are 2 players incoming, Nazr is one player outgoing. Someone had to be cut. After Collins and McGuire gone, UPS was obvious target.

[BlockParty]

But why did we cut 5? What the heck is going on down there?



I don't get why we cut all 5 either unless they're planning on doing D-League call-ups?

Bonnell had a pretty good article on it last night.

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2011/02/no-more-brown-mcguire-debate.html

Here are my layman terms disection of ....Why they had to cut collins, dom and UPS, in addition to the new arrivals.

They had to submit each trade separately and since they were at the trading deadline, each trade had to be submitted so that it would stand on it's own. And they have to waive players PRIOR to submitting the trade if they are getting more heads back, even if they like the Heads they have more than the Heads they are getting. So with GW's being 3 for1, they had to cut two and with Nazr's being 2 for 1, they had to cut 1. Then the new pieces show up (which if they cut them, they didn't want to begin with, those players were just included in the trade to make the numbers work out).

[Proudiddy]

But, as it stands, we'll still have a roster spot open correct? I wonder who it's gonna be?

[WFU4LIFE]

How is that odd? Peterson and White are 2 players incoming, Nazr is one player outgoing. Someone had to be cut. After Collins and McGuire gone, UPS was obvious target.
It's odd because we didn't need to cut UPS. We only needed to cut four players, and UPS makes it 5.

[Adam42R]

It's odd because we didn't need to cut UPS. We only needed to cut four players, and UPS makes it 5.

Unless I am missing something here, we had to clear space for all incoming contracts - so two out, five in, three (Collins, UPS, Dom) waived.

[WFU4LIFE]

Unless I am missing something here, we had to clear space for all incoming contracts - so two out, five in, three (Collins, UPS, Dom) waived.
The title also says we cut Marks and MoPete, which coupled with Collins, UPS, and Dom, makes it 5.

[Adam42R]

The title also says we cut Marks and MoPete, which coupled with Collins, UPS, and Dom, makes it 5.

Actually, the "five" should be: Collins, UPS, Dom, Crash, Nazr. That's all that should be relevant to the trades. We might have been able to just cut one player with the one trade w/ Okla (leaving two open spots for the incoming two for outgoing one) and "then" cut Mo Pete (back to a 14 man roster) just cut one more for the two necessary spots for the three in/one out for the trade with Portland but these trades were essentially happening at the same time (so we had to show five available spots for the incoming five two of which were made available by Nazr and Crash).

Again, I might be missing something

[dav7z]

Not many Portland fans like the trade.
http://www.kgw.com/sports/Blazers-make-trade-for-forward-Wallace-116864783.html?commentPage=1#comments
Portland is big on Cunninghams game . I know nothing about him at all . Can some of you give some insight.
DJ White had to be the reason for the Nazz trade. Again i need more insight any one thet can help.

If the roster stays as is Carroll looks to be login about 25 mins a game. Carroll and Hendo both can play a little three but
Im looking for us to pick up a two three combo.

Why pick up two more power fowards??
Its looking more like we trying to trade Boris for another 1st round draft pick on draft night

[BigMike]

They cut UPS?
Who is going to do the pregame dance now?

That was one of my first thoughts also....

[BigMike]

The title also says we cut Marks and MoPete, which coupled with Collins, UPS, and Dom, makes it 5.

You can not look at it as a big picture, trade rules have to be followed on a case by case basis.

We traded GW and cut Collins and Dom to bring in Joel Przybilla, Dante Cunningham, and Sean Marks (3 for 3)
We traded Nazr and cut UPS to bring in D.J. White and Mo Peterson (2 for 2)

Now we have waved Marks and MoPete leaving 2 spots open.
But we couldent get either trade league approved before the deadline to be able to wave either marks or MoPete before the other trade had to be submitted.

[SWedd523]

including the trades, our roster ballooned to 18 players.

DJ/Livingston/Tank
Hendo/Hammer/MoPete
Jack/UPS/Dom
Diaw/Tyrus/Najera/White/Dante
Kwame/Diop/Przybilla/Marks

But since we had to cut people BEFORE the trades went through to have them work. In the Nazr trade (15-1,+2=16), so we had to cut one. Take Tank out. In the Crash trade (15-1,+3=17), so we had to cut 2. Take Dom and UPS out.

It made the new roster look like (still at 15):

DJ/Livingston
Hendo/Hammer/MoPete
Jack
Diaw/Tyrus/Najera/White/Dante
Kwame/Diop/Przybilla/Marks


Cutting MoPete and Marks was something they wanted to do because they were just salary filler and would never suit up for us so that made it 5. So while it's two more than we needed to get rid of, we had to get rid of two cats to make the deal work. It's entirely possible we'll sign UPS, Tank, and/or Dom back but we wont know for 30 days when players are able to sign with new teams.

[BigMike]

But since we had to cut people BEFORE the trades went through to have them work. In the Nazr trade (15-1,+2=16), so we had to cut one. Take Tank out. In the Crash trade (15-1,+3=17), so we had to cut 2. Take Dom and UPS out.


This is exactly why so many trades are 3 team trades. so you can shift an uneven number of players around with out having to wave people.

[docend24]

It's odd because we didn't need to cut UPS. We only needed to cut four players, and UPS makes it 5.

I guess you either know nothing about NBA or you can't count to three.

[WFU4LIFE]

I guess you either know nothing about NBA or you can't count to three.
I just wasn't realizing we needed to cut UPS to make the trades work. All in all we did end up waiving FIVE players, so yes I can count. Douchebag.

[ALong13]

#Bobcats do hope to re-sign Derrick Brown if he clears waivers and after they waive Peterson, Marks.

- Mike Cranston's Twitter


I don't think they have to wait 30 days either since he was not traded. If he would have been traded to Portland or OKC and they cut him, then we would have had to wait, but I think we can sign him once he clears waivers.

[Proudiddy]

Any idea when he was officially waived and how long we have to wait? I really hope we bring UPS back.

[frontpager]

the waiver process is 48 hours. Once he clears waivers the Bobcats can resign him to a deal. So he should be a bobcat again by end of weekend

[BRNC]

the waiver process is 48 hours. Once he clears waivers the Bobcats can resign him to a deal. So he should be a bobcat again by end of weekend

Teams have to wait 30 days to bring back a player they've waived...so 30 days after he clears the waiver wire we could bring back UPS...

[frontpager]

"If a team trades a player and the player is waived by the receiving team, the player's original team cannot re-sign that player for 30 days (during the season) or 20 days (during the offseason) following the date of the trade." -This is from the CBA agreement. Does this apply to the situation were describing?

[SWedd523]

Nope. Can you find a quote describing the rules for a waived layer returning to the same team? Larry Coon should have it somewhere

[frontpager]

No I couldn't find a quote. however during the bobcats game today against the magic steve martin was saying that once the waiver process is over (48 hours) the Bobcats can resign one of the players they released.

[stun704]

its 48 hours

[SWedd523]

Well there you have it. I wonder why we haven't signed anyone back then since it's been well over 48 hours

[BRNC]

SWedd...I think I was mistaken...since UPS was not traded (and released) to another team I think we can resign him after he clears waivers...this is the only reference I could find...

"NBA teams can release a player to the waiver wire, where he can stay for 48 hours (during the regular season). While he is on waivers, other teams may claim him, for his existing salary. If he is not claimed, he is said to have "cleared waivers", and is treated like any free agent, able to sign with any team."

[Brad]

Bonnell said we couldn't re-sign him until Tuesday, if we wanted to.

[SWedd523]

That may very well be true Brad, but I'll never believe a word Bonnell says, I don't remember the last time that doofus was right about anything.

[DCW]

What they should do is look into getting a back-up sg

[ALuhrs704]

What they should do is look into getting a back-up sg
agreed, idk who's out there though. If rashad mccants didnt go to chapel hill id suggest that, but everyone would think it was a move just cuz he went to unc. i know we were looking at him last year, but idk what he is even doing now lol. i wonder if theres an athletic/shooting 2 in the d league?

[SWedd523]

We need to get at least one or two backup wings, the SF type who can slide to SG in a pinch. We also need to check out a few different DLeague centers. Give them some 10 day contracts and cycle them through until we find one we like.

[Black]

We need to get at least one or two backup wings, the SF type who can slide to SG in a pinch. We also need to check out a few different DLeague centers. Give them some 10 day contracts and cycle them through until we find one we like.

Reports say Corey Brewer is getting bought out. He is certainly worth a look.

[dnbman]

Reports say Corey Brewer is getting bought out. He is certainly worth a look.

Any reasons why he didn't meet expectations? Low BBall IQ? No inspiration?

[itsbcbaby]

Knicks claim Derrick Brown.

http://twitter.com/Jpdabrams

[polarcat]

Damn.
10char

[G-Force]

LOLcats... They do it for the laughs. SMH.

Good for UPS, he gets to be on a contending team. He will strive in the fast pace Offense, if he can get play time.

[Proudiddy]

Any reasons why he didn't meet expectations? Low BBall IQ? No inspiration?

WTF??? They waived Brewer for UPS????

Man, again... FUCK MJ. Tell me why we had to take back that many players from Portland to begin with? We didn't need all of them because Portland already had a 2.5M or so trade exception.

MJ shows what a fucking idiot he is again. Good luck trying to get Brewer or any other semi-good wing come here. Fucking dummy. Guess he better go back and shake the UNC tree and see if McCants will even suit up for us at this point.

[polarcat]

How is the waiver process done? If we had intentions of bringing UPS back, then how does a team with a higher salary figure and a better record than us snag a player over us? Brown was not available until today, so did the Knicks get Brown before this morning? Pretty shitty foresight by MJ and company if that's the case. We NEED another wing at the 2 or 3 to back-up Hendo and Jack. Carroll is not the answer to keeping us in the playoff race. Too bad Brewer didn't go to UNC or he might actually come here over Miami, Chicago or Boston.

[Proudiddy]

I don't know how it works, but I'm guessing maybe the team that waives him has to wait the waiver period out and can't put a claim in?

[ohara831]

Who knows. Agent and MJ may have talked and MJ told them he wanted to bring UPS back, and UPS and Agent tell MJ "no guarantees". Cannot blame UPS at all. He was not getting much PT under Silas, and maybe figures he gets more in NY. So be it. Not a great loss. I wish him the best.

[SWedd523]

If it's anything like football, then when a player is waived from one team he goes to the "waiver wire" and the other teams have a chance to pick that player up. It goes all the way through the other teams before it comes back to you.

[G-Force]

Yeah, once a team waive a player, the player goes thru the waiver wire for 48 hours. In that period any other team can pick up the player, teams with the worst record gets the upper hand. After that period the original team can pick up the player again. Today was suppose the the deadline.

[Boomer]

Just saw the Knicks picked up Brown

[BlockParty]

Yeah, once a team waive a player, the player goes thru the waiver wire for 48 hours. In that period any other team can pick up the player, teams with the worst record gets the upper hand. After that period the original team can pick up the player again. Today was suppose the the deadline.

Yep, the 'incentive' for a team to wait on picking someone off of waivers..if they take them off waivers, they are responsible for that player's pro-rated salary. If the player was over-paid, they may risk him clearing waivers and then negotiating with him as a free-agent. But the risk is, all the other teams are doing the same thing.


Just saw the Knicks picked up Brown

Yep..that makes all of this a mute point.

You can shop for players you want (either released or waived). The source seems pretty up-to-date, with one small exception, it never showed Derrick Brown getting waived from the Bobcats

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=charlotte2&page=nba/stats/transactions.aspx?sc=AC

[Marvel]

Seriously MJ either has some grand plan in place or he's a effing retard. How the fu*k do you have 2-3 (not including TT) pfs and no backup in place at sf?

[Proudiddy]

Again, I still ask the question... Why did we take back all those players from Portland when we didn't need them salary wise? Portland had a 2.5M or so exception.

It just drives home the fact that MJ has no clear plan in place, we strung together the deals at the last minute and settled for what they gave us instead of holding out for what we wanted. No plan, no direction, our front office is just lost.

[BRNC]

Again, I still ask the question... Why did we take back all those players from Portland when we didn't need them salary wise? Portland had a 2.5M or so exception.

It just drives home the fact that MJ has no clear plan in place, we strung together the deals at the last minute and settled for what they gave us instead of holding out for what we wanted. No plan, no direction, our front office is just lost.

I think we had to "appear" to get value back from Portland...I want to know wht the heck we even did the OKC trade...