Positive's of the GW Trade

[nazsquad]

I know most of us are upset with the trade, but we can't completely give up on this season and another chance at the playoffs.

Here are some positives in my mind that we can take from the trade:
1) We have 7-8 million more in expiring contracts this offseason to make a splash in FA
2) 2 1st round picks hopefully around #20 will net us young prospects or the possibility of packaging the trades to move up in the draft or land a coveted player.
3) Henderson gets more playing time. When Silas took over, this lineup with Gerald played very well.
4) Wallace was aging and had injury/health concerns
5) Open roster spots could net us a player that was bought out.

[Chef]

6) there should be many available seats at home games and probably at a cheaper rate?

[ammofan]

Well this is a positive....guys still want to make the playoffs and are staying positive:
"Just left #Bobcats shootaround - goal still playoffs for all. Guys will miss GW but Hendo ready for his opportunity, Jack & DJ to lead"
From the Bobcats Twitter

[Mustachio]

There are nothing but positives about this trade.

The only negative is a sentimental connection.

[Dcarnys]

There are nothing but positives about this trade.

The only negative is a sentimental connection.

Good Call. The trade still sucks but looking at it now it's not as bad as everyone made it sound.

[G Wuh Wuh Wuh Wallace]

There are nothing but positives about this trade.

The only negative is a sentimental connection.

Amen to this.

[The Prodigy]

There are nothing but positives about this trade.

The only negative is a sentimental connection.

Agreed. I dont think there is a single realistic trade we could have made where we lose Gerald that I would be okay with. Maybe thats just me being stubborn, but I would have had absolutely no problem with paying Gerald whatever the hell he wanted to finish out his career a Bobcat.

But, we did get a decent haul for him. But only time will tell what players MJ drafts.

[jdub28]

I'll miss Crash and I'm not sure what to do with my old jerseys, posters and stuff like that, but between him and Nazr only 24 points and 12 rebounds a game were lost. Im sure Hendo and TT when he gets back can make up the difference. There hasn't been a team yet that cleaned house financially and not obtained a star player (or 3) back. If the worse we end up with is a Derron Willams type player that's fine by me.

[stun704]

If we draft barnes, resign wallace in '13 so he can mentor him and UPS [if we resign him] then i'll be very happy

[polarcat]

A decent haul in return for Wallace? Not picking on anyone in particular, but I feel like we've accepted mediocrity in return? I don't think we should've gotten the return for 'Melo or Williams, but what we got back is not okay. Did we get screwed over? No. Should we have gotten more? Yes. Our front office was exposed and we deserved better. Yes there is sentimental attachments, but accepting what we got back is compromise. Some front offices attack and get the most out of their chips that are being moved. Plain and simple, we did not. We settled for what the market told us, rather than dictating and being more aggressive. We asked for Batum, they said no, and we settled for Cunningham. Not trying to beat a dead horse or hold a grudge, but we let the face of the franchise walk for bench players and middle of the first round picks. And this is not speaking with emotion over losing Wallace, I'm pretty level-headed over deals.

[Marvel]

BULLSHIT. Trading your franchise player for 2 late 1sts, knowing our draft history, does, will not give me satisfaction till those draft picks pan out and i'm not confident Rod has the ability to execute that. We SHOULD HAVE had the upper hand in any deal, but what we got back from Portland seems to indicate MJ folded.

[The Prodigy]

A decent haul in return for Wallace? Not picking on anyone in particular, but I feel like we've accepted mediocrity in return? I don't think we should've gotten the return for 'Melo or Williams, but what we got back is not okay. Did we get screwed over? No. Should we have gotten more? Yes. Our front office was exposed and we deserved better. Yes there is sentimental attachments, but accepting what we got back is compromise. Some front offices attack and get the most out of their chips that are being moved. Plain and simple, we did not. We settled for what the market told us, rather than dictating and being more aggressive. We asked for Batum, they said no, and we settled for Cunningham. Not trying to beat a dead horse or hold a grudge, but we let the face of the franchise walk for bench players and middle of the first round picks. And this is not speaking with emotion over losing Wallace, I'm pretty level-headed over deals.
I know you werent talking to anyone in particular, but I really feel like we got a decent deal. I mean, like I said in another thread, there is no realistic trade of Wallace where I would have been happy in the slightest bit. But, until we really see what happens with those picks, I dont think its fair to give the trade an official grade. Chances are, we will draft the wrong guys and the deal will look terrible in retrospect, but who knows, maybe we get the break this franchise needs and draft a very good player. Do I think thats going to happen? Probably not. But if I cant be optimistic, then the rest of the season is going to be awful, even worse than it already will be without Wallace.

[frontpager]

Silas is helping going through the draft and he helped draft a good team back when the Hornets were here. So hopefully his mind will help mold a good team together. We need depth at the 2 and 3 this draft and the draft is full of wings. If we land a top ten pick we should look at enes kanter, he will be solid center

[polarcat]

I feel ya prodigy, I just hate that we got .75 cents on our dollar for G-Dub. All we can be at this point as true fans is optimistic, and I'm trying to be. I love the burn Hendo is getting and I hope that Silas and Company are better in the draft than previous years. I did see when they interviewed Higgins during halftime and they brought up the draft picks acquired, that he immediately mentioned the flexibility of trading them for either players or S&T's before the drafting of a rookie. Whatever they do with their new assets, I hope it helps this team rather than Alexis Ajinca part II.

[ohara831]

When the dust setles, people will realize this was a very solid deal for Charlotte, and the right deal to make. Too much emotional connection is leading to looking at this as a glass half empty instead of the glass half full.

[Scottley Crue]

When the dust setles, people will realize this was a very solid deal for Charlotte, and the right deal to make. Too much emotional connection is leading to looking at this as a glass half empty instead of the glass half full.

I agree 100%. I appreciate all Crash did on and off the court, but this is the exact reason why it's not a good idea to become attached to any player.

[SWedd523]

I think you guys are too busy looking at it like, "OMG two first round picks! That's a great deal!" when there is a huge difference between two #20 picks and two #10 picks. All picks are not created equal.

[stun704]

I think you guys are too busy looking at it like, "OMG two first round picks! That's a great deal!" when there is a huge difference between two #20 picks and two #10 picks. All picks are not created equal.
weren't Landry Fields and Dajuan Blair taken in the 2nd round? its very possible to get talent in the later first rounds.

[WrxErik]

The problem is we traded Wallace to rebuild and turn this team into a championship contender. Landry Fields and Dajuan Blair will not bring you to a championship level. They are both role players playing along side previous champions or All stars.

[DY_nasty]

The problem is we traded Wallace to rebuild and turn this team into a championship contender. Landry Fields and Dajuan Blair will not bring you to a championship level. They are both role players playing along side previous champions or All stars.
And neither will guys like Dominic McGuire, Stephen Graham, and Larry Hughes - and those type of players are all that we've been bringing in lately.

Eventually people are going to take off the homer goggles and see Wallace for what he is: An aging energy player who's making a lot of money, can't play with the best scorer on the team, and simply cannot stay healthy. What was the alternative? Keep him and watch him die on the court then get absolutely nothing in return. We were lucky to get as much as we did for him. Especially in such a poor season where he was already hurt.

[WrxErik]

I know Wallace was eventually going to have to go, but until they prove that they are trying to build a championship team and not just try to save money for themselves then I will still continue to be pissed off. Also we gave Wallace his contract and also gave Oak his contract, Matt Carroll etc. Why give them monster contracts when you know when they start to age it will decrease there value. I know it has been stated multiple times but this Team needs to prove that it is actually heading in the right direction. Which to this point they have yet to do.

[DY_nasty]

I know Wallace was eventually going to have to go, but until they prove that they are trying to build a championship team and not just try to save money for themselves then I will still continue to be pissed off. Also we gave Wallace his contract and also gave Oak his contract, Matt Carroll etc. Why give them monster contracts when you know when they start to age it will decrease there value. I know it has been stated multiple times but this Team needs to prove that it is actually heading in the right direction. Which to this point they have yet to do.And aside from Wallace, Okafor and Carroll have been two of the worst contracts in the league since the ink has dried. It wasn't about the decrease in value over the years, it was the general lack of foresight to begin with. Okafor never improved, ever, and Carroll was knee-jerk because of the Kapono deal. Like all of our moves after the Jrich deal, they were purely reactionary.

But anyways, keeping an over the hill wing who can't stay healthy or play cohesively with the team's best scorer while the team was 7 under .500 in a crappy East was going to do what?

[WrxErik]

And aside from Wallace, Okafor and Carroll have been two of the worst contracts in the league since the ink has dried. It wasn't about the decrease in value over the years, it was the general lack of foresight to begin with. Okafor never improved, ever, and Carroll was knee-jerk because of the Kapono deal. Like all of our moves after the Jrich deal, they were purely reactionary.

But anyways, keeping an over the hill wing who can't stay healthy or play cohesively with the team's best scorer while the team was 7 under .500 in a crappy East was going to do what?

"I know Wallace was eventually going to have to go, but until they prove that they are trying to build a championship team and not just try to save money for themselves then I will still continue to be pissed off."

[DY_nasty]

"I know Wallace was eventually going to have to go, but until they prove that they are trying to build a championship team and not just try to save money for themselves then I will still continue to be pissed off."
Okay, so you knew that Wallace was going to have to go.

He was injured almost all year long and was only getting older. He wasn't producing anywhere close to what we're used to seeing. His value was only going to plummet further the longer we waited. We were supposed to wait another year, after getting swept in the playoffs with him, to try and move him after his value dropped further? We'd be in the same spot, except with fewer draft picks.

[SWedd523]

weren't Landry Fields and Dajuan Blair taken in the 2nd round? its very possible to get talent in the later first rounds.
Weren't

Jeff Pendergraph, DaJuan Summers, Patrick Beverly, Danny Green, Henk Norel, Taylor Griffin, Sergiy Gladyr, Goran Suton, Jack McClinton, A.J. Price, Nando de Colo, Robert Vaden, Ahmad Nivins, Emir Preldzic, Lester Hudson, Chinemelu Elonu, and Robert Dozier (all from 09)........ Nemanja Bjelica, Terrico White, Darington Hobson, Andy Routins, Da'Sean Butler, Devin Ebanks, Jerome Jordan, Paulao Prestes, Gani Lawal, Tiny Gallon, Latavious Williams, Ryan Richards, Soloman Alabi, Magnum Rolle, Luke Harangody, Pape Sy, Jeremy Evans, Hamady N'Diaye, Ryan Reid, Derrick Caracter, Stanley Robinson, and Dwayne Collins (all from 10)

ALSO taken in the 2nd round?


So yeah, you're right. It certainly is possible to get some talent in the second round. But it's also a LOTTTTTT more possible to get a ton of people who either suck nuts or never play in the NBA altoghether in the second round.

[frontpager]

The second round is big hits or miss. Scouting can only do so much. Lets be honest though, Dejuan Blair should have gone in lottery and look at him now. He ended up being one of best 10 players from draft. I didnt even think Landry Fields would get draftedto be honest. By the way to the dude who said Okafor has one of worst contracts since ink dried, that is complete bull ish.. i mean think about it, the guy still averages a near double double and is helping the Hornets (when healthy) be in the playoffs. There are much worse contracts, such as Diops, Gilbert Arenas contract has actually been worse compared to performance. Obviously you dont like Okafor, but the man earned the contract he received, just hasnt improved since. Big men are always overpaid. I would much rather pay him 10 million then pay Diop 6 million. At least I am getting 10 and 10 a game with a block or two in Okafor

[fuckjack]

I know Wallace was eventually going to have to go, but until they prove that they are trying to build a championship team and not just try to save money for themselves then I will still continue to be pissed off. Also we gave Wallace his contract and also gave Oak his contract, Matt Carroll etc. Why give them monster contracts when you know when they start to age it will decrease there value. I know it has been stated multiple times but this Team needs to prove that it is actually heading in the right direction. Which to this point they have yet to do.

then you will continue to be mad for months. how do YOU know that they are just trying to save money for themselves? two first round picks, money for free agency is steps to build a championship team. what is going to prove to you that we're going into a championship direction? we weren't going to be a championship team with gerald in two-three years. why not get value for his declining skills when we could?

[Ghost Kat]

Jordan did a good job on this deal. I'm pretty sure he would have gotten rid of Diaw or Jackson if it was possible. Crash will be missed, the two pick may be late rounders but they are chances to find better players none the less. Jordan also got the better of the Nazr trade. Looks like he's building a team and fixing Sam Vincent & LB's poor roster choices

[ohara831]

Toronto is whipping NO by 15 at the half. If NO loses and Portland wins later, then NO loses 2 spots tonight, to both Denver and Portland. And they will be only 1.5 game ahead of 8th. Actually Memphis is playing San Antonio and winning now, so the lead could be down to 1 game over 8th if we get lucky. I know there are 20 games left, but there is a real shot that the NO pick may be a late lottery. Gotta keep rooting against the Hornets.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

If we draft barnes, resign wallace in '13 so he can mentor him and UPS [if we resign him] then i'll be very happyBarnes will be a pretty good player in the future but we don't need Barnes in the draft. He will require too much time to learn the pro game. I would rather get a player who is NBA ready. I am a Tarheel fan but Barnes in not ready for the NBA imo.

[ohara831]

OKC beating Indiana, NYK beating up NO - good news! Need Portland to beat Sac and Charlotte to beat Denver.

[ohara831]

http://espn.go.com/nba/standings

At least our NO pick keeps getting better and Indiana lost also. All I can say good about last night's games.

[BlockParty]

http://espn.go.com/nba/standings

At least our NO pick keeps getting better and Indiana lost also. All I can say good about last night's games.

Carroll finally had a good offensive game. And DJ-deux (DJ White) had a few nice moves...and Jack didn't get a technical

[Adam42R]

Carroll finally had a good offensive game. And DJ-deux (DJ White) had a few nice moves...and Jack didn't get a technical

I thought his body language was more worrisome last night than when he's in T-up mode. He was flat and seemed emotionless. I am hoping it was just hammy + thin air + bad shooting night and not that we've lost his emotion for the year.

[ohara831]

I thought his body language was more worrisome last night than when he's in T-up mode. He was flat and seemed emotionless. I am hoping it was just hammy + thin air + bad shooting night and not that we've lost his emotion for the year.

Very true. We will see. If he shows the same the rest of the year as he did last night, dont be at all shocked to see him moved the day of the draft.

[Plowright]

http://www.bobcatsbreak.com/?p=4000

Article by me that illustraes some good things about this trade... and some bad.

ENJOY! :)

[SWedd523]

How many different threads are you going to post that in?

[Boomer]

not a good trade, lets try not to lawyer this into convincing ourselves it was a good one. If this was a good trade it would have been made 3 months earlier

[stun704]

not a good trade, lets try not to lawyer this into convincing ourselves it was a good one. If this was a good trade it would have been made 3 months earlier
would u still say its a bad trade if we get 2 impact or a franchise player in the draft? of course not, let's see where the pieces fall before saying its a bad trade.

[BRNC]

This was a question/answer (not my question) from Steve Kyler chat at Hoopsworld now:



cj in :
y did bobctas trade wallce. if they cared about saving $, they wouldn't have traded for jackson who has a huge contract and resigned thomas. they had a defensive identity before, now they suck.plus with the cba they would have any $.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/images/hw_icon.gif
Steve Kyler:
Welcome in everyone... lots in the Que, so I'll just jump right in.

Why... for the very reasons you stated... Wallace was the only guy they could trade... Jackson was owed too much money and Wallace was the only chip the Cats could cash at the deadline and get anything back.

Lets be real for a minute... even with Wallace the cats were not title contenders... they were never going to be title contenders... getting cap space and two first round draft picks (http://www.hoopsworld.com/Chat.asp?CHAT_TOPICS_ID=1490#) is a good start towards adding real pieces.

Yes, this deal was money motivated, but at the same time the team wasn't going to challenge anyone as constructed.


Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Chat.asp?CHAT_TOPICS_ID=1490#ixzz1G7Z5Fbtg

[Demon DeaCat]

For all those who are convinced that this was a terrible trade and that we got robbed, I thought it was interesting to see how at least one other organization viewed GW.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/211907/Lacob_Warriors_Could_Have_Dealt_For_Gerald_Wallace

I don't know if this was the majority opinion around the league or if Lacob was just an outlier, but if this is any indication of how GW was being perceived by owners and GMs then I'd say we were pretty lucky to get what we got for him.

[spectre]

What Passing On Gerald Wallace Means For Golden State (http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/211970/What_Passing_On_Gerald_Wallace_Means_For_Golden_St ate)


Uhhh, WHAT? An argument centered on the premise of Wallace not being worth the money he is owed (approximately $21M over two additional seasons), or that he is injury prone since he plays with little regard for his own body can hold some water. But an argument that he would not make the Warriors better is shockingly bad.Ws passed on crash: (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1098454&sid=a2c9f1ee81ef7f2f01526e98315b4f20#p27154876)

GSW fans' take.

They felt that we were demanding Curry. Monta or Wright/Udoh...and if that was the cost then they would pass.