View Full Version : It's Official: Hendo Is Not Very Good
Proudiddy
03-05-2011, 05:17 PM
I think at this point, we have established that he is better as a role player coming off the bench with an occasional start if needed. He tricked us into believing he had an actual jump shot prior to the trade deadline, but alas, he does not. Sad to say, but it's time for us to come back down to earth and realize that at best, he's a rotational role player.
And believe me, I wanted to believe he was a starter as well, but it just isn't so. Great defender and athlete, streaky shooter at best, but better suited as a role player.
The Prodigy
03-05-2011, 05:56 PM
Im not sure. Gerald was playing fine when Wallace was here, which leads me to believe he can be a good starter, just as long as he isnt the 2nd best player on the court.
Scottley Crue
03-05-2011, 06:43 PM
I think at this point, we have established that he is better as a role player coming off the bench with an occasional start if needed. He tricked us into believing he had an actual jump shot prior to the trade deadline, but alas, he does not. Sad to say, but it's time for us to come back down to earth and realize that at best, he's a rotational role player.
And believe me, I wanted to believe he was a starter as well, but it just isn't so. Great defender and athlete, streaky shooter at best, but better suited as a role player.
I think it's quite a bit early in the process to say for certain yet.
BigMike
03-05-2011, 07:10 PM
just as long as he isnt the 2nd best player on the court.
I think this Is the problem right now...
JGib23
03-05-2011, 07:16 PM
Way to early to tell.
Gerald still has a lot of things to improve on but, he is no where near his ceiling.
I'd imagine that this summer, he will work to develop a 3 point shot and his ball handling. I can see Henderson being a very solid 14-16 ppg as a 3rd option on a good offense within 2 years.
rsxnova
03-05-2011, 07:38 PM
At least give the guy a full year before saying this. This is pretty much his rookie season.
ohara831
03-05-2011, 08:04 PM
At least give the guy a full year before saying this. This is pretty much his rookie season.
Exactly. Way too early to try and crush someone's ability, no matter how much you will delight in their failure.
Marvel
03-05-2011, 08:05 PM
Too early. With Jack out, he definitely has the opportunity to prove if he is or not.
Proudiddy
03-05-2011, 09:55 PM
Exactly. Way too early to try and crush someone's ability, no matter how much you will delight in their failure.
I'm not delighted in any of our player's failure. And odds are with most draft picks they will be a rotational guy and not a superstar, so how is that a failure? Also, I said that I was pulling for him and wanted him to be what we were hoping he could be. So, I'm not pulling for any of our guys to suck. I'm just saying, since the trade and he became a starter he has been pretty bad.
Toocool
03-06-2011, 12:22 AM
I think at this point, we have established that he is better as a role player coming off the bench with an occasional start if needed. He tricked us into believing he had an actual jump shot prior to the trade deadline, but alas, he does not. Sad to say, but it's time for us to come back down to earth and realize that at best, he's a rotational role player.
And believe me, I wanted to believe he was a starter as well, but it just isn't so. Great defender and athlete, streaky shooter at best, but better suited as a role player.
Seriously dude. That post is pure fail. You're going on what? At best 10 games? Probably jumped onto the Hendo bandwagon, then when he hits a slump you jump off.
How about you come back to earth and realise that you're going by a small ass sample size, and already writing off a player. Puhlease. Give him atleast 1/2 a year - a season.
He looked pretty damn good tonight.
Too bad he and DJ2 were the only ones.
Proudiddy
03-06-2011, 12:46 AM
Seriously dude. That post is pure fail. You're going on what? At best 10 games? Probably jumped onto the Hendo bandwagon, then when he hits a slump you jump off.
How about you come back to earth and realise that you're going by a small ass sample size, and already writing off a player. Puhlease. Give him atleast 1/2 a year - a season.
I didn't "jump" onto anything. I actually thought he should've been getting more PT last year and wanted to see what he could do with it. I was also hoping he was starter material, but regardless of people saying this is like his rookie year, no it's not... He wasn't injured last year so he was playing with the team everyday in practice, additionally, that should've gave him even more time to work on his shot, which has improved slightly from Duke but not significantly. I said in the gameday chat that if I'm wrong I'll happily eat crow because that'll be better for our team, but I just don't see it. He's awesome for bringing energy to the unit from off the bench but I just don't see him lasting as a permanent #2. We'll have to revisit this thread later then and see who was right I guess.
He looked pretty damn good tonight.
Too bad he and DJ2 were the only ones.
Yeah, he did play MUCH better tonight... But, because he was the only one playing like that and the rest of the team was playing like crap I started playing NBA2k and quit watching lol. I think DJ White is the only potential player long-term we got out of the deals we made. But man, this team is hard to watch, it's the worst defense I ever remember in our entire existence.
Twan's Kin
03-06-2011, 01:10 AM
Would you guys rather have a 2nd-year Raja Bell on your team or a 2nd-year Gerald Henderson?
Toocool
03-06-2011, 02:55 AM
I didn't "jump" onto anything. I actually thought he should've been getting more PT last year and wanted to see what he could do with it. I was also hoping he was starter material, but regardless of people saying this is like his rookie year, no it's not... He wasn't injured last year so he was playing with the team everyday in practice, additionally, that should've gave him even more time to work on his shot, which has improved slightly from Duke but not significantly. I said in the gameday chat that if I'm wrong I'll happily eat crow because that'll be better for our team, but I just don't see it. He's awesome for bringing energy to the unit from off the bench but I just don't see him lasting as a permanent #2. We'll have to revisit this thread later then and see who was right I guess.
My point isn't whether he's starter material or not. My point is that you've already written him off in such a short time. Players improve throughout a season, and we've seen that from Hendo. Seriously it is way too early to tell. Also note that practise time is completely different to actual NBA game time. He got barely any of his in his first year, so obviously it'll still take a bit of time for him to really get into the flow of things.
stun704
03-06-2011, 04:34 AM
Reactionary threads FTL, this kid is basically a redshirtted rookie
i think if my two options on hendo's future were solid nba starter and really good 6th man/occasional matchup starter i would choose the latter. unless he gets head and shoulders better this summer (which i just don't see) i just don't see him being a very good starter even on a super deep team like the celtics, bulls, magic, etc.
I think at this point, we have established that he is better as a role player coming off the bench with an occasional start if needed. He tricked us into believing he had an actual jump shot prior to the trade deadline, but alas, he does not. Sad to say, but it's time for us to come back down to earth and realize that at best, he's a rotational role player.
And believe me, I wanted to believe he was a starter as well, but it just isn't so. Great defender and athlete, streaky shooter at best, but better suited as a role player.
I guess you are simply mad at the franchise about Wallace or something but overall, on every level, this is a complete BS post.
polarcat
03-06-2011, 11:32 AM
I don't get this thread. Hendo hasn't even played a full season with the training wheels off and has shown a lot of promise. He's been streaky, but patience is a virtue. I'll give him another year next year as a starter and evaluate a little more then, even though that will only be his 2nd year. Dude played at an elite level school and was taken in the top-15. He is still a kid and has shown that he can improve and grow given time. Outside of a few dull games, I don't understand why he's already being written off as a bench player.
GoBobs
03-06-2011, 12:09 PM
umm he went from shooting 35% last year to 44% this year. This is a lot to early. I don't see him as the star of the team but he can be a solid starter if he improves a little bit. Same with Tyrus Thomas. If those guys could get 10% more efficient they would be solid starters.
Ghost Kat
03-06-2011, 04:00 PM
I think Henderson is doing alright in his new starting role. Let the pup play.
And Boris Diaw sucks
skratch
03-06-2011, 07:47 PM
Of course he's not very Good, he's a Duke Player meaning hes a "scrub" hes not a starter hes better off the bench. call him "hendo" and jump on his bandwagon all u want but hes not a allstar guard
Of course he's not very Good, he's a Duke Player meaning hes a "scrub" hes not a starter hes better off the bench. call him "hendo" and jump on his bandwagon all u want but hes not a allstar guard
Why does attending Duke make him a scrub?
Henderson is in a tough situation if you ask me. With Jack out he's now the 2nd scoring option in the starting lineup when he'd be better off as the 4th. He's the type of player that gets open shots because the top scorers receive all the attention. I don't think he'll ever be an all star, but because of his defense and athleticism he'll be a good player with a stronger starting lineup.
Of course he's not very Good, he's a Duke Player meaning hes a "scrub" hes not a starter hes better off the bench. call him "hendo" and jump on his bandwagon all u want but hes not a allstar guard
1) Attending Duke makes him a "scrub"? Come on...
2) There is a lot of room between someone calling him a "not very good role player" and an "all star guard". Just because he isn't one doesn't mean he is the other.
Proudiddy
03-07-2011, 12:47 AM
1) Attending Duke makes him a "scrub"? Come on...
2) There is a lot of room between someone calling him a "not very good role player" and an "all star guard". Just because he isn't one doesn't mean he is the other.
To be clear, and this isn't just towards you, but to everyone who has flamed me in this thread, I was speaking in the context of the expectations that he would be a solid starter for years to come. Basically, I was saying "He's not very good as a starter."
I could still be wrong, but from what I've seen, I'm fairly convinced he isn't permanent starter material. And as I said, if i am wrong, I wil gladly and happily eat crow for it.
Mustachio
03-07-2011, 01:50 PM
And believe me, I wanted to believe he was a starter as well, but it just isn't so. Great defender and athlete, streaky shooter at best, but better suited as a role player. Which Gerald were you talking about again?
My point exactly when talking about the Wallace trade.
Great defender and athlete, streaky shooter at best, but better suited as a role player - we just got 2 first round draft picks for that exact description.
Henderson so far has been Gerald Wallace 2.0 if you ask me. Its a super small sample size and we need to let it play out. Can he be a starter? Can he be the number one? Only time will tell. I think he's got what it takes and will be the guy for us. But I wouldn't make the statement Gerald Henderson is a god after such a small smattering of games. We were a 40 win team with him coming off the bench, if we can be a 40 win team with him as a starter i'd rate that as a success.
skratch
03-07-2011, 04:15 PM
Why does attending Duke make him a scrub?
Henderson is in a tough situation if you ask me. With Jack out he's now the 2nd scoring option in the starting lineup when he'd be better off as the 4th. He's the type of player that gets open shots because the top scorers receive all the attention. I don't think he'll ever be an all star, but because of his defense and athleticism he'll be a good player with a stronger starting lineup.
whos the last great duke player?(that can perform at the NBA level) Grant Hill
Mustachio
03-07-2011, 04:26 PM
whos the last great duke player?(that can perform at the NBA level) Grant Hill
Please take your petty my university is better than your university quibbling to one of those mouth breathing ACC message boards. This is a website dedicated to PROFESSIONAL basketball. No one gives a crap where you got the most rejection letters from.
Go Bobcats.
whos the last great duke player?(that can perform at the NBA level) Grant Hill
whos the last great UNC player?(that can perform at the NBA level) Vince Carter
Does that mean Harrison Barnes won't be great? Hell no. Just like being from Duke doesn't mean Hendo is a scrub.
Marvel
03-07-2011, 04:29 PM
whos the last great duke player?(that can perform at the NBA level) Grant Hill
lol, Brand, Redick, Boozer, Jason Williams, Deng, Battier, Mike Dunleavy. Maggette were/are all good to great NBA players.
Marvel
03-07-2011, 04:31 PM
This Duke comparison is childish, grow the F up.
whos the last great duke player?(that can perform at the NBA level) Grant Hill
I started to respond but it seems multiple others have beaten me to the punch.
You should do your research before you ask silly questions.
Proudiddy
03-08-2011, 12:23 PM
Well, it appears Hendo has stepped up over the last few games and is now making me feel like an idiot for making this thread. He just doesn't have much help right now. He had several good games leading up to the break and then had a really rough stretch after the deadline with several horrid shooting performances and now he's had a couple more good games in a row.
Mustachio
03-08-2011, 01:17 PM
Well, it appears Hendo has stepped up over the last few games and is now making me feel like an idiot for making this thread. He just doesn't have much help right now. He had several good games leading up to the break and then had a really rough stretch after the deadline with several horrid shooting performances and now he's had a couple more good games in a row.
No need to feel like an idiot. If you can't come spout off your instant reactions to a sporting event, why does the internet even exist... right?
He will most undoubtedly have more bad stretches like any young guy in the league. Overall so far I'd say its more positive than negative though.
I also feel like he could have done more last night even though he had a good game. If that ugly horrible excuse for an offense last night wasn't so stagnant he could have gotten even more chances. Unfortunately it looked like DJ/Liv had never seen a Bobcats player in their life last night.
Real test will come friday. Big game. Big Hype with Geralds return and a Friday night to boot. With the "complete" lineup back in action by then hopefully. DJ/Hendo/Jack/TT/Kwame will be very telling.
BlockParty
03-09-2011, 09:28 PM
Well, it appears Hendo has stepped up over the last few games and is now making me feel like an idiot for making this thread. He just doesn't have much help right now. He had several good games leading up to the break and then had a really rough stretch after the deadline with several horrid shooting performances and now he's had a couple more good games in a row.
Could you start a similar thread for the rest of our players? I'll gladly eat the crow for you if they rebound like Hendo has.
Could you start a similar thread for the rest of our players? I'll gladly eat the crow for you if they rebound like Hendo has.
Yeah for real. Especially DJ.
Toocool
03-10-2011, 07:31 AM
Well, it appears Hendo has stepped up over the last few games and is now making me feel like an idiot for making this thread. He just doesn't have much help right now. He had several good games leading up to the break and then had a really rough stretch after the deadline with several horrid shooting performances and now he's had a couple more good games in a row.
Knowing Proudiddy eats crow, win. Knowing you're right on Bobcats Planet? Priceless.
Because being right on BCP is far greater than being right in Real Life. I understand you had your reservations, and now we can move into the future with the bright star that is Gerald Henderson.
On a completely serious note, that baseline move to the English layup (why do they call it the english for?) was seriously sweet. He's balling right now!
Adam42R
03-10-2011, 10:00 AM
Knowing Proudiddy eats crow, win. Knowing you're right on Bobcats Planet? Priceless.
Because being right on BCP is far greater than being right in Real Life. I understand you had your reservations, and now we can move into the future with the bright star that is Gerald Henderson.
On a completely serious note, that baseline move to the English layup (why do they call it the english for?) was seriously sweet. He's balling right now!
Putting "English" on the ball is a pool/billiards reference. It's putting a spin on the cue ball to make either the object ball or the action off the cushion react in an opposing or excessive way. To visualize it for a bank shot in basketball (or a bounce pass for that matter), a bank shot w/ English would mean that in and of itself, the bank does not have the appropriate angle to go in (to the player) but with the additional (or subtractive) side spin, it does.
eleaf14
03-10-2011, 10:21 AM
Hendo is coming along quite nicely. I think if he can work on improving his bad outings to the low to mid teens, than we will have something special. He has shown he's capable of big shots and big nights. Now he just needs to build himself up on the back end. Its really nice to see him moving without the ball. Its something that didnt happen under Brown, and I haven't seen of him since Duke.
Mustachio
03-10-2011, 11:55 AM
Hendo is coming along quite nicely. I think if he can work on improving his bad outings to the low to mid teens, than we will have something special. He has shown he's capable of big shots and big nights. Now he just needs to build himself up on the back end. Its really nice to see him moving without the ball. Its something that didnt happen under Brown, and I haven't seen of him since Duke.
good post, it was such an obvious glaring hole Monday the lack of movement on offense. The whole team did a better job against the bulls of moving without the ball and we played a much better game.
Hendo is averaging 17 ppg over his last nine games, and has back-to-back 20 point games. 17 ppg. Gerald Wallace the guy we couldn't live without, the guy Portland robbed us of. averaging 15.4 ppg before he was sent to Portland.
But hey, dont let these numbers stop you from crying about a completely reasonable trade. Because anytime you can pay 10 million dollars for 1.5 million dollar production... you just gotta do it.
Demon DeaCat
03-10-2011, 12:07 PM
I think Hendo has firmly established that he can be a solid starter at this point. Whether he can take the next step to become a star depends on whether or not he can add the 3 pt shot to his arsenal. 3 pt range combined with his athleticism and ability to get to the basket would make him nearly unguardable.
Proudiddy
03-10-2011, 03:19 PM
Could you start a similar thread for the rest of our players? I'll gladly eat the crow for you if they rebound like Hendo has.
Give me a list, lol. I'll gladly do it.
By the end of the season DJ2 will be averaging 25 and 15, DJ1 will be averaging 20 and 12, Diaw will be sent home for the rest of the season, and Kwame Brown will be leading the league in blocks and FG %.
This crow is absolutely delish with some light rosemary oil. As I said, I'll gladly eat crow in this case, as it means we're a better team for it. I hope he keeps it up and keeps improving so that we know the 2 is not an issue going into next season.
captaincrunk
03-10-2011, 04:44 PM
Of course he's not very Good, he's a Duke Player meaning hes a "scrub" hes not a starter hes better off the bench. call him "hendo" and jump on his bandwagon all u want but hes not a allstar guard
I think Hendo is the next MJ. He's clearly already a better player than MJ was at this point in his career. Maybe even better than Stephen Jackson. We'll have to see but, this guy looks like 2nd GOAT (behind Allen Iverson) material to me.
Marvel
03-10-2011, 05:28 PM
I think Hendo is the next MJ. He's clearly already a better player than MJ was at this point in his career. Maybe even better than Stephen Jackson. We'll have to see but, this guy looks like 2nd GOAT (behind Allen Iverson) material to me.
You don't mind if i use that as sig material do you crunk?
Classic...
stun704
03-10-2011, 05:30 PM
I think Hendo is the next MJ. He's clearly already a better player than MJ was at this point in his career. Maybe even better than Stephen Jackson. We'll have to see but, this guy looks like 2nd GOAT (behind Allen Iverson) material to me.
Damn, is this sarcasm? I think hendo is all-star potential, but hes not seeing MJ at this point in his career. I however think his ceiling is the next d-wade
TheBeagle
03-10-2011, 05:36 PM
good post, it was such an obvious glaring hole Monday the lack of movement on offense. The whole team did a better job against the bulls of moving without the ball and we played a much better game.
Hendo is averaging 17 ppg over his last nine games, and has back-to-back 20 point games. 17 ppg. Gerald Wallace the guy we couldn't live without, the guy Portland robbed us of. averaging 15.4 ppg before he was sent to Portland.
But hey, dont let these numbers stop you from crying about a completely reasonable trade. Because anytime you can pay 10 million dollars for 1.5 million dollar production... you just gotta do it. Yeah, because everything GW gave us was quantifiable.....:rolleyes:
1-6 post trade. One. And. Six. There's your numbers.
As for Jr., right now he's playing at a level that I always thought would be his ceiling. I have to admit I didn't see it coming this early, and it does give me hope that he could become something special. Plenty of things to refine and work on (a 2 that doesn't shoot 3s? Come on, son!) but thanks to Paul, and Jr. taking advantage of the opportunities given, there appears to be an upside to the kid I never saw.
captaincrunk
03-10-2011, 05:37 PM
You don't mind if i use that as sig material do you crunk?
Classic...
Enjoy, lol.
JGib23
03-10-2011, 05:59 PM
Yeah, because everything GW gave us was quantifiable.....:rolleyes:
1-6 post trade. One. And. Six.
1-6 because we've played without a healthy Jack aswell for most of that stretch. To be honest this trade is looking better and better, we now know that we have our starting sg position filled for at least the next 3 seasons. The important part now is to draft a 2/3 that can take Hendersons role off the bench and be ready to take Jack's place in a year or 2. Would love to land Terrance Jones/Perry Jones in the draft.
Marvel
03-10-2011, 06:13 PM
Sooooo... small samples is good with Hendo when it is good, but not good with DJ when it's not good.
Ok, got it, up to speed.
Plowright
03-13-2011, 03:40 PM
Pretty sure Hendo has been our most consistent player recently. Not to mention his game winning steal he had tonight
Fred Williamson
03-13-2011, 04:14 PM
Please delete this thread.
TheBeagle
03-13-2011, 05:14 PM
Please delete this thread. Please don't, mods. This thread has generated massive karma for Jr.
Please don't, mods. This thread has generated massive karma for Jr.
We may lock a thread, we may move it, but we never delete it.
Proudiddy
03-13-2011, 05:29 PM
My ego wishes it could be deleted, but my minds and heart do not, lol. Hendo's game likes it as well.
Toocool
03-13-2011, 10:39 PM
My ego wishes it could be deleted, but my minds and heart do not, lol. Hendo's game likes it as well.
Bobcats Planet, where you're ego is sure to shrink.
SJackson1
03-14-2011, 04:27 AM
he's been playing some great basketball
Woodsy23
03-14-2011, 06:52 AM
he's been ballin' recently, scoring points, his D is solid and grabbing plenty of steals all of that plus only 1 turnover in 40 minutes last night!
glad it wasn't me that started this thread :facepalm:
ziggy
03-14-2011, 09:29 AM
My ego wishes it could be deleted, but my minds and heart do not, lol. Hendo's game likes it as well.
Diddy, I'm willing to bet this thread doesn't slide off of the first page until the end of the regular season :biggrin:
Proudiddy
04-11-2012, 04:20 PM
How about now?
Assessments?
spectre
04-11-2012, 04:24 PM
I've seen more to be positive about than negative. He's stayed healthy which was my main concern...now he's got to get consistent. I think he'd really thrive with a coach and a team concept.
Proudiddy
04-11-2012, 04:44 PM
I only bumped it because I know some people thought it was way too early at the time so I wanted to see what people thought now.
I still don't know. I think he's going to be a solid role player but I don't ever see him being a 20+ ppg scorer aside from maybe a career year. His defense is awesome but I just don't think he has the mentality to be "the guy" or the go-to man. He hits shots when he takes them and he takes good shots. I love his game but I just don't see him being aggressive enough or pushing to actually play it consistently.
Mustachio
04-11-2012, 05:11 PM
I don't think Henderson needs to be the go to guy. If he can stay near 18 a game I'd be happy to have him on the roster.
spectre
04-11-2012, 05:20 PM
I see him going kommando a lot but I'm not going to ride him too much til I see an actual offensive system run.
Proudiddy
04-11-2012, 05:21 PM
Yeah, I think it's hard to judge anyone off this year... We essentially have been running pick-up ball all year.
bes628
04-11-2012, 07:52 PM
This OG post is 100% true. He can shoot a little better now, but he's still nothing more than a decent 6th man.
dnbman
04-11-2012, 09:04 PM
This OG post is 100% true. He can shoot a little better now, but he's still nothing more than a decent 6th man.
I wouldn't say that. I think he can be a quality shooting guard for a good team. He's a lesser version of Tayshaun Prince but built to be a shooting guard. As Spectre said, he's the type of guy that needs a quality team concept around him, especially since he gets so many shots off of screens. The free lancing that we do every play doesn't help him much.
DY_nasty
04-11-2012, 10:28 PM
I see him going kommando a lot but I'm not going to ride him too much til I see an actual offensive system run.
You mean its hard to judge players (who for the most part checked out months ago) in an offensive system that is basically nothing more than the same 3 plays being run over and over again without even the hint of variation?
I'm not sure if my mind can accept that.
fallen xxi
04-11-2012, 11:11 PM
Hendo needs to be trade bait at this point. Does anybody else want a true SHOOTER at SHOOTING guard? I mean I love the guy's hustle on defense and his slashing ability and ability to get to the line, but his game at the 2 guard in the NBA is purely what you want off the bench. Hendo has always been a 6'8" wing trapped in a shooting guard's body.
SWedd523
04-11-2012, 11:32 PM
Hendo needs to be trade bait at this point. Does anybody else want a true SHOOTER at SHOOTING guard? I mean I love the guy's hustle on defense and his slashing ability and ability to get to the line, but his game at the 2 guard in the NBA is purely what you want off the bench. Hendo has always been a 6'8" wing trapped in a shooting guard's body.
I'd rather have Jeremy Lamb or Brad Beal, if that answers your question
Toocool
04-11-2012, 11:45 PM
I'm Hendo's biggest supporter and biggest critic.
He could take over games, but doesn't have the mentality to.
He's hit some awesome late game shots, but he definately isn't aggressive on offense enough.
I think that'll be what stops him from going to the next level, not being aggressive enough on offense and being too willing to defer.
Needs to develop his 1 on 1 game and ball handling, that hinders him as well.
Overall: Flashes of awesomeness (i.e hitting a stupidly tough shot late in the shot clock to solidify our lead I think), but overall considering the standards I set for him this season, been a disappointment.
Proudiddy
04-12-2012, 02:33 AM
@toocool, that's what I was saying... He has the ability to takeover, but mentally he doesn't. And this far into his career, despite the coaching change last year and obvious tanking going on this year, he should have developed into what we can expect consistently. I think he has shown what he is. Sure, he can improve, but he's not ever going to be the go-to guy or franchise player we were hoping he could develop into.
dav7z
04-12-2012, 09:44 AM
Hendo and the 31 pick for a loto pick i would do. Hendo could still be a good starter in the right system . But we need more of a pure shooter to go along with Smack, Kemba, And even A Davis . I think a pure shooter at two is inportant with the core we trying to build.
Mustachio
04-12-2012, 10:13 AM
Yeah, I think it's hard to judge anyone off this year... We essentially have been running pick-up ball all year.
This is 100% true, and should be the last thing said in this thread.
DY_nasty
04-12-2012, 01:07 PM
@toocool, that's what I was saying... He has the ability to takeover, but mentally he doesn't. And this far into his career, despite the coaching change last year and obvious tanking going on this year, he should have developed into what we can expect consistently. I think he has shown what he is. Sure, he can improve, but he's not ever going to be the go-to guy or franchise player we were hoping he could develop into.
People expected this? lol
why can't we just be glad to have a player that looks like he belongs in the NBA?
Proudiddy
04-12-2012, 01:26 PM
MJ inferred or outright said that Hendo had that potential.
fallen xxi
04-12-2012, 05:01 PM
I just don't see Hendo as a building piece of this team. He can't get points in bunches and he contributes to the offensive ineptitude of this team. He's way too streaky of a shooter to start at shooting guard in the NBA. I'm just saying I want a guy to be able to consistently shoot the 3 ball on top of having defensive fundamentals that Hendo has to start for this team. We need to explore our options with Hendo.
SWedd523
04-12-2012, 05:23 PM
He's too hot and cold for my taste. His per36 production over the past two years is remarkably similar, which suggests to me that he's tapped out his potential. Not that there's anything wrong with that as he's been as good as any 12th pick in the last decade or so. But i wouldn't give him some big contract when his rookie one runs out
I don't think he's good enough to keep us from drafting a SG like Beal or Lamb, but he's good enough to hold us over until his rookie deal runs out.
dnbman
04-12-2012, 05:31 PM
He's too hot and cold for my taste. His per36 production over the past two years is remarkably similar, which suggests to me that he's tapped out his potential. Not that there's anything wrong with that as he's been as good as any 12th pick in the last decade or so.
Right. I'm not sure his potential is tapped though. As others said, we haven't had much of a system in place at all. I think if there's more to the offense, he could find a role and excel. Suffice to say, I think he can play NBA ball, which is what the expectations were when drafted him: a solid contributor.
I don't think he's good enough to keep us from drafting a SG like Beal or Lamb, but he's good enough to hold us over until his rookie deal runs out.
Completely agree. Suffice to say, we can upgrade, but I don't think Hendo is garbage either. I think he's good enough to be a legit starter for the right team.
Mustachio
04-12-2012, 05:45 PM
People expected this? lol
why can't we just be glad to have a player that looks like he belongs in the NBA?
While I did expect a lot from him. The second part of your post is absolutely critical and something that more people need to consider. Whats wrong with just having a good piece? So he's not the go to guy, or the best shooting guard in the NBA. But you don't have to have all stars at every position.
Dallas won the championship last year with 93 year old Jason Kidd starting at SG. Kidd averaged 7.7 points. Henderson is averaging 14 right now, with not even a lick of offensive game planning. Dallas had Jason Terry come off the bench and Hendo out produced his numbers as well. I realize that Kidd was more of a facilitator and brought all kinds of experience that settled the team, and Terry came in specifically to score. But thats my point. Neither of those guys were superstars. They were above average role players that got the job done and Henderson can absolutely fill that role. He is a good basketball player and thats something that we need to start holding on to when we have the chance.
He's good now, and I still think he can be a "great" player with an offense that is actually trying to win. But even if he never gets to that great status, he will still be a solid good piece you can rely on.
Plowright
04-12-2012, 05:47 PM
Like others said I think right now Hendo is solid, but not good enough not to take Lamb or Beal (wouldnt take lamb with the top 4 pick anyway but definitely Beal) However I think he has one more season to show improvement and grow as a player. He was recovering from his hip all summer and didnt get time to work on his ball handling with Silas jr like what was planned. Who knows what he can do with a summer off. Also I think some of his numbers are inflated due to the lack of talent on our team. However, I think that is also counteracted by the fact he is probably one of our better players so is guarded tighter by the other team.
gamecocksmitty4
04-12-2012, 09:41 PM
I don't understand people's infatuation with Beal. He is practically Hendo's clone. Maybe a little better shooter but not much.
Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan
04-12-2012, 11:22 PM
I don't understand people's infatuation with Beal. He is practically Hendo's clone. Maybe a little better shooter but not much.
Beal is a way better 3 pt shooter and all around shooter and scorer...guy takes it to the basket well too and is a real good rebounder for his size...id pick beal over hendo
Proudiddy
04-12-2012, 11:56 PM
Hendo looked pretty awesome offensively his last year at Duke also... At least down the stretch.
SWedd523
04-13-2012, 01:24 AM
I don't understand people's infatuation with Beal. He is practically Hendo's clone. Maybe a little better shooter but not much.
Beal is a much better shooter and ball handler. He's also every bit as good as Hendo on defense
QC Thundercats
04-13-2012, 02:11 AM
Hendo is a solid player, nothing more, nothing less. Of course you would want your team to have a solid player, but that doesn't also mean that you shouldn't be on the look out for an upgrade.
What he provides is being a very good athlete with good fundamentals, and the potential to become a good to great player defensively. On a team devoid of talent such as ours, I definitely want him to be here going forward. However, his weaknesses are accentuated even further on such a godawful offensive team as ours.
While Hendo does have decent shooting form and ability to knock down mid range shots, he severely lacks creativity with the ball. I don't even think its just an issue with ballhandling, as he doesn't turn the ball over that much, and more or less makes decent decisions with the ball. But he is not really able to create shots for himself, as most of his points seem to be off screens and curls, and all his dunks are off of alleyoops or fastbreak oppprtunities. Plus, being able to dribble well is one thing, but knowing what to do and how to take advantage of a particular defender are things a starting shooting guard should have, and he hasn't shown this aptitude on a consistent basis, if at all, that I've seen.
And just as importantly, he is not able to create shots for teammates either. A good shooting guard should be able to break his man down on the perimeter and either get an open look for himself, or force the defense to help and create an easy assist. Hendo is ranked 39th out of just SGs in assists per game at 2.2. This tumbles all the way to 69th out of SGs per 48/min, even behind such brilliant passers as Matt Carroll (66), Corey Higgins (51), and J.J. Redick (43)!!!
Now if we had a creative offensive powerhouse at the SF spot, then you can afford to start Gerald next to him to provide a defensive, shot making, athletic compliment. But if your SF is also only just a solid fundamental type player, then you have a disaster on offense as nobody will be able to get easy shots, and defenses can just focus on the point guard and force someone else to make plays (see your current lolcats).
Ideally, the best place for Hendo would be as a 6th man energy guy off the bench who could give you double figures every night, and could also focus on being a shut down guy on defense.
bes628
04-13-2012, 08:36 AM
MJ inferred or outright said that Hendo had that potential.
He also drafted Kwame Brown and Ammo, etc.
DY_nasty
04-13-2012, 09:33 AM
He also drafted Kwame Brown and Ammo, etc.
Back with the Wizards he wanted to trade the Kwame pick for Brand. And it was pretty widely known that he was high on Gay before the draft.
But hey, whynot
Mustachio
04-13-2012, 10:57 AM
Back with the Wizards he wanted to trade the Kwame pick for Brand. And it was pretty widely known that he was high on Gay before the draft.
But hey, whynot
yeah but Jordan sucks cause he took two players that EVERY SINGLE GM IN THE LEAGUE would have taken. Facts are troll repellent.
bes628
04-13-2012, 01:52 PM
Back with the Wizards he wanted to trade the Kwame pick for Brand. And it was pretty widely known that he was high on Gay before the draft.
But hey, whynot
Still doesn't make them good decisions.
BigSams50
04-17-2012, 04:36 AM
Hendo can be our starting SG going forward imo. Part of his offensive struggles is coming playing on a team that has virtually no offense what so ever
Hendo can be our starting SG going forward imo. Part of his offensive struggles is coming playing on a team that has virtually no offense what so ever
hopefully you aren't judging his performance and last night's "game".
BigSams50
04-17-2012, 10:52 AM
hopefully you aren't judging his performance and last night's "game".
Its from his season. Yes, he is a little inconsistent, but i dont see how he cant improve some more and be a solid starter for us
polarcat
04-17-2012, 11:27 AM
Hendo is a 3rd option on a good team. He's got every bit of skill to be our (or any teams') starting SG. I don't dislike Beal's skills, but with Hendo already here and needs at virtually everywhere else, I'd rather not draft a redundant player with a top-4 pick. I think we should surround top-end talent around Gerald rather than trade him and move on without him. Much like G-Force was a complimentary player on a team without any offensive stars, I see Hendo falling into this category until we add some weapons.
I love hendo because he, kemba, and biz are the only ones that seem like they give a rats a## this season...
thesnowman22
04-17-2012, 04:04 PM
Hendo can be a starter for a playoff team. Hendo is a 6th-8th man on a title contender.
spectre
04-17-2012, 05:52 PM
He's starting to push Crash territory.
dnbman
04-17-2012, 06:40 PM
He's starting to push Crash territory.
Please explain.
spectre
04-18-2012, 05:16 AM
3rd best on a contender. No leader yet (IMO losing Crash hurt us badly from that POV) nor busting his ass on every play...that's why he's "approaching"...and definitely not "safe" from being traded when in our position.
3rd best on a contender. No leader yet (IMO losing Crash hurt us badly from that POV) nor busting his ass on every play...that's why he's "approaching"...and definitely not "safe" from being traded when in our position.
agreed. although i think he is the fourth option if you are talking championship team. i would look to move him this draft for a late lotto to early 20's pick if the right player is there.
Keetch
04-18-2012, 08:17 AM
I think Hendo is pretty good NBA player and best player on the team atm.
QC Thundercats
04-18-2012, 10:11 AM
I'll admit, Hendo showed me some of that creativity that I thought he was severely lacking during the New Orleans scrimmage the other night. He had a real nice scoop shot after splitting two defenders while getting nailed (no call of course), was able to figure out how to get to the hole against both man and zone, and is showing a real nice fadeaway spin shot on the baseline that he hits very consistently now.
I know the opponent was terrible, but he downright looked like a star that night, where I wanted to feed him the ball every time down, and he was actually delivering. And the Crash comparison was on point - he was hustling his ass off and had two incredible out of nowhere blocks.
Maybe, just maybe, the game is slowing down, and he's starting to crack that ceiling. Let's see the rest of these games if he can continue to show this and consistently play at a high level. Because the Gerald I saw against the voodoo (or Krewe?) was a leader who I absolutely would want to be our starter long term. But if he goes back to regular average Gerald, then my previous stance stays.
raleigh
04-18-2012, 12:01 PM
I think Hendo is pretty good NBA player and best player on the team atm.
Augustin is the only one with a credible counterargument to being the best player on the team atm.
I don't agree that Henderson is a "pretty good" NBA player. He's amazingly average.
What worries me is the lack of noticeable improvement from last year to this year. This is the time when most prospects develop the most, yet...
Season G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG%
2010-11 68 1661 13.2 .509 .461 3.5 11.6 10.7 1.6 1.6 9.1 19.9
2011-12 49 1625 13.5 .502 .464 4.0 10.4 13.3 1.5 0.8 11.0 22.8
Also, his 3pt%, 3PA/36, and his FT/36 have not changed at all from last season. He's not a good perimeter shooter, yet also doesn't get to the FT line much. He's an average rebounder and passer for an off guard.
Mustachio
04-18-2012, 12:12 PM
Hendo is a 3rd option on a good team. He's got every bit of skill to be our (or any teams') starting SG. I don't dislike Beal's skills, but with Hendo already here and needs at virtually everywhere else, I'd rather not draft a redundant player with a top-4 pick. I think we should surround top-end talent around Gerald rather than trade him and move on without him. Much like G-Force was a complimentary player on a team without any offensive stars, I see Hendo falling into this category until we add some weapons.
Freaking nailed Polarcat. And I dont care how bad New Orleans was, he was in takeover mode that night and it was good. Defending, hustling, scoring. Its game's like that one that make me think he would be a GREAT player on a team that gave a shit.
skratch
04-19-2012, 06:16 PM
Bomani jones just said Gerald henderson isnt supose to be the best player on your team, got a point
Proudiddy
04-19-2012, 06:41 PM
I don't think he's on Crash's level. Crash wouldn't have been a franchise player on any other team except the Bobcats, and I loved Crash. BUT, at the same time, despite all the crappy players we put around him until our one playoff appearance, Crash was good for 20+ wins a season (I think, lol).
Hendo is just a guy you put in to give you some quality minutes but doesn't really change the game one way or another at this point. He's better playing off of others and the only good players we have are rookies.
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