View Full Version : Exit Boris Diaw, enter DJ White.
fuckjack
03-11-2011, 09:43 PM
Boris was god awful in tonight's game. DJ White has been solid the past few games and I'm liking his play.
Despite everyones hatred for the front office currently, we have two solid young players that can develop into some ballers.
Gerald Wallace in 31 minutes had 9 rebounds 13 points and 5 turnovers.
DJ White in 27 minutes with 9 rebounds and 16 points
Dante Cunningham in 19 minutes with 11 points.
Let the team develop, maybe our front office knows what they're doing.
fuckjack
03-11-2011, 09:44 PM
Also, I might have to request a name change.
I'm thinking a new starting lineup of DJ/Hendo/Jack/Tyrus/DJ2 would be in order.
WFU4LIFE
03-11-2011, 09:51 PM
Boris was god awful in tonight's game. DJ White has been solid the past few games and I'm liking his play.
Despite everyones hatred for the front office currently, we have two solid young players that can develop into some ballers.
Gerald Wallace in 31 minutes had 9 rebounds 13 points and 5 turnovers.
DJ White in 27 minutes with 9 rebounds and 16 points
Dante Cunningham in 19 minutes with 11 points.
Let the team develop, maybe our front office knows what they're doing.
See thread I started a week or so ago. I said this exact same thing. Just trade Boris for a ball boy, or a knee brace, anything to get his fat ass out of here.
SWedd523
03-11-2011, 09:54 PM
I'm thinking a new starting lineup of DJ/Hendo/Jack/Tyrus/DJ2 would be in order.
Not against teams with traditional bigs. He'd be a fantastic second unit/6th man player to get around 25-28 min a game.
ziggy
03-11-2011, 09:58 PM
Also, I might have to request a name change.
If you decide you are ready for a name change, PM me and I will hook you up.
I'm thinking a new starting lineup of DJ/Hendo/Jack/Tyrus/DJ2 would be in order.
as bad as our center rotation is, it is better than that lineup. the front line would be knee deep in foul trouble and we would give up so much scoring at the rim.
as bad as our center rotation is, it is better than that lineup. the front line would be knee deep in foul trouble and we would give up so much scoring at the rim.
Uh, Tyrus is the best rim defender on our team? And with Kwame and Pryz on the bench it's ok for DJ to foul, since Dante and Eddie can back up TT.
dnbman
03-11-2011, 10:23 PM
Uh, Tyrus is the best rim defender on our team? And with Kwame and Pryz on the bench it's ok for DJ to foul, since Dante and Eddie can back up TT.
Isn't Tyrus best defending the rim by providing help though? I don't really see him as an under the basket guy. I may have just not seen that in his game though.
Uh, Tyrus is the best rim defender on our team? And with Kwame and Pryz on the bench it's ok for DJ to foul, since Dante and Eddie can back up TT.
TT is the best rim defender on the team and one of the better in the league, but as a help defender. in that lineup he will be forced to be guarding people straight up too often and it will get him into foul trouble.
TT is the best rim defender on the team and one of the better in the league, but as a help defender. in that lineup he will be forced to be guarding people straight up too often and it will get him into foul trouble.
No, you let DJ anchor the post and be Mr. Glass, and Tyrus is a floating defender from the paint to the three point line. Sort of like a zone, but DJ, Hendo, Jack and DJ play man to man on the top four players of the opponent, while you give Tyrus responsibility to guard the fifth guy AND be a double-team/rim defender guy. Have him call defensive plays and such.
dnbman
03-11-2011, 10:38 PM
No, you let DJ anchor the post and be Mr. Glass, and Tyrus is a floating defender from the paint to the three point line. Sort of like a zone, but DJ, Hendo, Jack and DJ play man to man on the top four players of the opponent, while you give Tyrus responsibility to guard the fifth guy AND be a double-team/rim defender guy. Have him call defensive plays and such.
I'm not sure I'm seeing your vision. Also, DJ And Tyrus both like to shoot mid range jumpers. I don't know if they make a great pairing offensively. Does DJ have a low post game? (Not that anybody else on our team right now does.)
Marvel
03-11-2011, 10:39 PM
I'm thinking a new starting lineup of DJ/Hendo/Jack/Tyrus/DJ2 would be in order.
No.
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No, you let DJ anchor the post and be Mr. Glass, and Tyrus is a floating defender from the paint to the three point line. Sort of like a zone, but DJ, Hendo, Jack and DJ play man to man on the top four players of the opponent, while you give Tyrus responsibility to guard the fifth guy AND be a double-team/rim defender guy. Have him call defensive plays and such.
anytime with a decent center and pf, so the bulls, celts, magic, sixers would have us fouled out in a matter of minutes. i just don't think it would work. i will be glad to try it, what else do we have to lose? color me doubtful though.
I'm not sure I'm seeing your vision. Also, DJ And Tyrus both like to shoot mid range jumpers. I don't know if they make a great pairing offensively. Does DJ have a low post game? (Not that anybody else on our team right now does.)
Remember, this is a starting lineup, not crunch time.
Tyrus actually has a low post game, he just doesn't like to use it. And I have no idea whether DJ2 does or not.
But what I meant is, you take the opponents line-up, figure out the threat ranking, and place guys on them accordingly. For instance, tonight, DJ would've guarded Miller, Hendo on Matthews, Jack on Batum, and DJ2 on Aldridge. Tyrus is then responsible for Camby, as well as floating around based on who has the ball. I.E., guarding Matthews on the wing if he's setting up, or doubling Aldridge in the paint by coming from the help side to protect the rim. Basically, you play man-to-man 4-on-5 with a roving defender. Depending on the opponent, DJ could guard the 2 man while Hendo had the point (Chicago, NJN, etc.) or Hendo could guard a 3 if the 2 guard is deemed least dangerous, moving Jack to guard the 4 while Ty floats.
Am I making sense? I know it's hard to read since I can't draw it, but it makes sense in my head...
Marvel
03-11-2011, 10:46 PM
Does DJ have a low post game?
He has a turnaround jumper, straight up not fadeaway. No one will know till he becomes a consistent 25-28 minutes guy, then we get to see more of what he CAN do. I know i could teach him a couple of post moves....
Felton for Prez
03-11-2011, 10:48 PM
If you decide you are ready for a name change, PM me and I will hook you up.
Guess I should do that at some point too huh? I am such a slacker.
skratch
03-11-2011, 10:49 PM
no kwame brown in the starting lineup?
Scottley Crue
03-11-2011, 11:11 PM
It's terribly clear that Silas has seen enough of Boris. With Pryz being out for a little while, I can see Boris backing up Kwame, but would like to see Tyrus start once he gets his sea legs, so to speak. I like the energy and scoring DJW brings off the bench.
captaincrunk
03-12-2011, 01:38 AM
Isn't Tyrus best defending the rim by providing help though? I don't really see him as an under the basket guy. I may have just not seen that in his game though.
He's been getting better at it but he's really more of a roamer. With Wallace gone (who was a roamer) Tyrus will have even more freedom.
ammofan
03-12-2011, 09:27 AM
DJ has been very very impressive over the past few games. I really like what he brings to the table.
But what the heck is wrong with his jaw? It looks swollen? I've been caling him "Jaw" for the past few weeks.
Black
03-12-2011, 09:33 AM
DJ has been very very impressive over the past few games. I really like what he brings to the table.
But what the heck is wrong with his jaw? It looks swollen? I've been caling him "Jaw" for the past few weeks.
He had surgery to remove a growth from his jaw a few years back. That's the resulting scar tissue bulging out of his face.
ammofan
03-12-2011, 10:14 AM
He had surgery to remove a growth from his jaw a few years back. That's the resulting scar tissue bulging out of his face.
Wow....its weird lookin though
captaincrunk
03-12-2011, 10:20 AM
He had surgery to remove a growth from his jaw a few years back. That's the resulting scar tissue bulging out of his face.
I like it. He's easy to recognize.
I'm glad we have guys like DJ2, Cunningham, and TT to take playing time from Diaw. I know he's a skilled player, but he's just looked so complacent out there. My hope (and this is a big hope) is that Diaw's minutes get cut, and this motivates him to give a f*ck. Cus despite all the hate we give him, he makes us a better team. He just needs to show some desire out there.
dnbman
03-12-2011, 12:40 PM
I'm glad we have guys like DJ2, Cunningham, and TT to take playing time from Diaw. I know he's a skilled player, but he's just looked so complacent out there. My hope (and this is a big hope) is that Diaw's minutes get cut, and this motivates him to give a f*ck. Cus despite all the hate we give him, he makes us a better team. He just needs to show some desire out there.
Agree. with that.
Fred Williamson
03-12-2011, 12:42 PM
I'm glad we have guys like DJ2, Cunningham, and TT to take playing time from Diaw. I know he's a skilled player, but he's just looked so complacent out there. My hope (and this is a big hope) is that Diaw's minutes get cut, and this motivates him to give a f*ck. Cus despite all the hate we give him, he makes us a better team. He just needs to show some desire out there.
yep. Good thing is, he's on a contract year next season, so I expect him to average 15/7/5 which will increase his trade value.
adam187
03-12-2011, 12:57 PM
I'm with Teej on this one. DJ White is a big body (he's just as big as Ben Wallace, if not slightly bigger), no reason he couldn't match up against a lot of teams centers, especially since a lot of teams run untraditional 5s or guys who lack offensive skills. Maybe keep bringing him off the bench, but I like the line up Teej posted.
dnbman
03-12-2011, 01:36 PM
I'm with Teej on this one. DJ White is a big body (he's just as big as Ben Wallace, if not slightly bigger), no reason he couldn't match up against a lot of teams centers, especially since a lot of teams run untraditional 5s or guys who lack offensive skills. Maybe keep bringing him off the bench, but I like the line up Teej posted.
Yeah, but Ben Wallace is an exception at the position. He also had a game tailored to play that role, which I'm not sure DJ has.
I definitely think it could work in small ball situations, but it's not a line-up I'd want to rely on for our main look, especially in the playoffs.
Marvel
03-12-2011, 03:38 PM
Let's not get it twisted now. DJW isn't the defensive player Ben Wallace was and he certainly doesn't have the defensive IQ of Ben....at least not yet. Let's just stick with Kwame and bring DJW off the bench. Our bench needs him more than our starting lineup does....lol.
ammofan
03-12-2011, 03:58 PM
Let's not get it twisted now. DJW isn't the defensive player Ben Wallace was and he certainly doesn't have the defensive IQ of Ben....at least not yet. Let's just stick with Kwame and bring DJW off the bench. Our bench needs him more than our starting lineup does....lol.
I agree with that....I want Boris to come off the bench though.
Tyrus, however, should start...not The Jaw.
Why? What we miss most is the defense. Hendo can do exactly what GW could offensively, but he isn't the shot blocker that GW is. Tyrus can block shots much the same way GW did. Our post defense is terrible, and it has alot to do with Boris. If we bring Boris off the bench along with Jaw, I would feel alot more comfortable with our bench in the post.
Starters:
DJ
Hendo
Jack
Tyrus
Kwame
Bench:
Shaun
MC
Dante
Boris
Jaw
rsxnova
03-12-2011, 06:03 PM
I find that most people are crying because they have only ever been a fan of Wallace. Its like what happens when your first real girlfriend breaks up with you(You remember first love, OMG this is forever). You just have to dump the old maid before she leaves you and try to find something new. In our case draft picks and some suprising prospects.
dnbman
03-12-2011, 06:35 PM
I agree with that....I want Boris to come off the bench though.
Tyrus, however, should start...not The Jaw.
Why? What we miss most is the defense. Hendo can do exactly what GW could offensively, but he isn't the shot blocker that GW is. Tyrus can block shots much the same way GW did. Our post defense is terrible, and it has alot to do with Boris. If we bring Boris off the bench along with Jaw, I would feel alot more comfortable with our bench in the post.
Starters:
DJ
Hendo
Jack
Tyrus
Kwame
Bench:
Shaun
MC
Dante
Boris
Jaw
I'm guessing the starting lineup will eventually be DJ, Hendo, Jax, Tyrus, and Kwame, but I wouldn't be surprised if we moved Jax back to SG and started Boris at the three and Tyrus at the 4. If that unit could work well together (and assuming Boris decides to start showing up) we could have an effective starting line-up with quality guys at all of the positions but C coming off the bench.
Not that this is a championship contending team, but it would at least make us fairly competitive.
K!NG Wacko
03-12-2011, 06:58 PM
Makes me feel so much better beating Portland and having these young guys step up. I'm not saying I'm 100% for the Wallace trade but I'm not complaining about it. DJ2 def seems to have potential and Daunte looks like a decent backup for Jack. Both of our new guys are somewhat of scorers.
Now Pryzbilla hasn't shown me anything and that is probably why they shut him down. Very ineffective. Kwame needs that fire lit back under him but he is our BIG and needs to start.
As far as Diaw i'm not sure why we didn't trade his ass along time ago. He has always been the Bobcat I thought we should of moved in offseason. He plays with no passion and deserves to come off the bench. It makes me even more mad a few games ago when he was super aggressive. What a fat chump.
TheBeagle
03-12-2011, 06:58 PM
Since he's not part of the long-term plans, I'm all for starting DJ2 over Boris at this point. Hell, I'm game for even Tyrus to start; I mean shit, with what he's getting paid, I'd at least like to see how he performs over a period of time at starter. I know me and chef and some others are skeptical that he'd work as a starter, but he needs the opportunity at the very least.
I'll be honest, I'm not really sure what Paul is thinking.
ziggy
03-12-2011, 07:26 PM
The OKC Fans have been keeping an eye on DJ and are very happy with how he has been playing
Linkage (http://www.okcthunderfans.com/vforum/showthread.php?6286-Has-Anyone-Besides-Me-Been-Paying-Attention-to-DJ-Whites-Success)
adam187
03-12-2011, 08:33 PM
Yeah, but Ben Wallace is an exception at the position. He also had a game tailored to play that role, which I'm not sure DJ has.
I definitely think it could work in small ball situations, but it's not a line-up I'd want to rely on for our main look, especially in the playoffs.
I'll counter with Al Horford then. No, I understand, I'm just being overly optimistic.
I agree with you for the most part, but who would you rather run instead of White? Kwame or Boris I assume? Let's say we're matched up against Boston, are you worried that Nenad is gonna go off on DJ2 (although Shaq would obviously be a problem)? I think he's been earning more playing time than Kwame or Boris, although I think he should also keep coming off the bench.
ammofan
03-12-2011, 08:48 PM
I'm guessing the starting lineup will eventually be DJ, Hendo, Jax, Tyrus, and Kwame, but I wouldn't be surprised if we moved Jax back to SG and started Boris at the three and Tyrus at the 4. If that unit could work well together (and assuming Boris decides to start showing up) we could have an effective starting line-up with quality guys at all of the positions but C coming off the bench.
Not that this is a championship contending team, but it would at least make us fairly competitive.
No.... Jack's natural position is SF.
Boris cannot guard most SF's in the league.
And Hendo is the guy we need in the game to defend all the dangerous SG's that we face.
Fred Williamson
03-13-2011, 03:13 AM
The OKC Fans have been keeping an eye on DJ and are very happy with how he has been playing
Linkage (http://www.okcthunderfans.com/vforum/showthread.php?6286-Has-Anyone-Besides-Me-Been-Paying-Attention-to-DJ-Whites-Success)
there are OKC fans?
Black
03-13-2011, 08:15 AM
there are OKC fans?
Are you kidding?
yep. Good thing is, he's on a contract year next season, so I expect him to average 15/7/5 which will increase his trade value.
The only thing "Doris" did when he was removed from the starting lineup with the Suns was sulk...I'd hope no one holds their breath expecting "Doris" to all-of-a-sudden become a motivated BB player...
Fred Williamson
03-13-2011, 11:33 AM
Are you kidding?
I don't know, there are like 3 people posting on the realgm Thunder board. as well as on some other basketball forums I regularly visit
The only thing "Doris" did when he was removed from the starting lineup with the Suns was sulk...I'd hope no one holds their breath expecting "Doris" to all-of-a-sudden become a motivated BB player...
I won't be, but I can hope. You're right though, he'll probably sulk like he did in Phoenix, or just nonchalantly shrug his shoulders before riding off on his segway.
I wonder if Boris enjoys riding on his segway as much as this chimp does.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RadnGqPjdBY
Ghost Kat
03-13-2011, 12:57 PM
No one likes Boris.....Our French posters don't even come around anymore
Proudiddy
03-13-2011, 05:40 PM
I saw DJ2 only got like 12 mins today and Diaw got like 39 or so... Anyone that saw it have any explaination for it? Just last game even Bonnell was talking about how quickly Diaw's role was shrinking. It appears he was efficient today, but I was hoping DJ2 would keep getting more minutes.
Perhaps a display to the Raptors for an off-season move if they're still interested?
stun704
03-13-2011, 06:24 PM
I saw DJ2 only got like 12 mins today and Diaw got like 39 or so... Anyone that saw it have any explaination for it? Just last game even Bonnell was talking about how quickly Diaw's role was shrinking. It appears he was efficient today, but I was hoping DJ2 would keep getting more minutes.
Perhaps a display to the Raptors for an off-season move if they're still interested?
I think silas is giving him one last chance, good mark of a coach is adjustments, and if Diaw plays lazy, he will be sitting, point blank period. something the hall of shame coach couldn't grasp.
Marvel
03-13-2011, 08:56 PM
^ Well it would seem Silas should be expecting a lot of "adjustments" then.
Scottley Crue
03-13-2011, 09:20 PM
I saw DJ2 only got like 12 mins today and Diaw got like 39 or so... Anyone that saw it have any explaination for it? Just last game even Bonnell was talking about how quickly Diaw's role was shrinking. It appears he was efficient today, but I was hoping DJ2 would keep getting more minutes.
Perhaps a display to the Raptors for an off-season move if they're still interested?
Could have been a little showcase for the Raptors, who knows. I think Colangelo is familiar with him from their days in Phoenix, so he may not need as much of a sale as others.
For this game, actually, Boris played pretty well. It also didn't hurt that Kwame was in foul trouble, so that made Boris play center some as well.
Could have been a little showcase for the Raptors, who knows. I think Colangelo is familiar with him from their days in Phoenix, so he may not need as much of a sale as others.
For this game, actually, Boris played pretty well. It also didn't hurt that Kwame was in foul trouble, so that made Boris play center some as well.
There were some pretty strong indications that the Raptors would not deal with us since they felt we "bailed" on a deal with them...I guess it would depend who remains in their FO at the end of the season...if Colangelo is still there I doubt he will do anything with us...
Demon DeaCat
03-14-2011, 01:08 PM
I think Boris was actually motivated by DJ's recent play and TT's return. He was obviously much more aggresive last night. He's a birght guy so he had to know if he didn't step up his game he wasn't going to play. Hopefully that will continue because a motivated Boris is a Boris we can all love.
As for showcasing him to Tor, I certainly hope that wasn't what we were doing. I don't know why on Earth we would be doing that. Outside of Bargnani, there's not a single guy they have that I'd want. I'd rather hang on to Boris and use his huge expiring as a trade chip in a blockbuster type trade than waste that chip in a trade with the Raptors.
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