Is DJ worth a first round pick ?

[dav7z]

Is DJ worth a first round pick? In this draft class i think he might net us a first round pick . Clearly hes not a starting point long term. With Walker and Knight with in reach DJ should be expendable.
THOUGHTS

[SWedd523]

Sure, I'd do it for the right player.

[dnbman]

Maybe. We'll already have two draft picks. It we didn't acquire a top 10 pick, I'd say no.

[BRNC]

I'd just as soon keep him as a back-up and bring in another PG to push him...Liv (as the primary back-up PG) would give me a great deal of pause...but if we can bring in; Irving, Knight, or N. Smith I'd keep DJ for another year and then package him...

...or...if he could be packaged this year to get Irving I'd do it...

[dav7z]

If we could packege DJ and our 10th pick to net a Williams, Irving, or Barnes . Me i would do it in a second.

[BIGCatBobcat]

DJ not a starting PG? Name me 30 better. He's #22 of point guards on Hollinger's PER, he's 13th (without taking out people who don't really count) in assist/turnover ratio. How is he just garbage we should trade for a first rounder? What team wants to give up a draft pick for someone you think is so bad anyway? How is this an argument? I'm not mad at ya Dav, I just don't understand the premise.

[ballwhore]

Lmao...15&6 with no star. Hell he was killing it in college just lilke the guys ya'll mention but the NBA is the great equalizer(See:Evan Turner) especially for a point guard playing with four back ups. DJ has great value around the league and even if he doesn't start he will never see under 30 minutes a game until 28 plus years of age. No pick and roll big man , No pick and roll defender, Hendo just started konocking down shots off the curl, nodody runs but DJ. Give me a d@mn break ya'll act like charlotte has some legit pieces in place. He will hopefully leave and you guys will whine about why he didn't do what he is doing with his new team while he was here like everybody else who left.

[TheLegend]

Lmao...15&6 with no star. Hell he was killing it in college just lilke the guys ya'll mention but the NBA is the great equalizer(See:Evan Turner) especially for a point guard playing with four back ups. DJ has great value around the league and even if he doesn't start he will never see under 30 minutes a game until 28 plus years of age. No pick and roll big man , No pick and roll defender, Hendo just started konocking down shots off the curl, nodody runs but DJ. Give me a d@mn break ya'll act like charlotte has some legit pieces in place. He will hopefully leave and you guys will whine about why he didn't do what he is doing with his new team while he was here like everybody else who left.

I have to agree with you about us not having any stars on the team. DJ IS worth a first round pick. We don't have any star players on the team that can expand DJ's level. He's a great player I just don't know why people are so fond of trading him here since he's been playing with injuries back to back busting his ass. Anytime he plays a bad game they're always someone saying we should trade him while when he plays a good game everyone praises him. Again until we have the right players for this team I really think DJ will probably be in the top 10 best PG in the NBA in the future.

[Marvel]

Me and Spectre had a talk about this on the game chat, just concerned with DJ's poor performances lately and i said i was down with DJ & 10th for a 4th.

However, i wasn't aware he was playing with a bung knee and ankle, so i'll have to take a pass on trading DJ at this point.

I'd rather trade our 10th and Hornets pick with X player to move up and draft Williams or Kanter. I'm stuck on the 2, but if i was to have my way i would draft Derrick Williams, suck next year and draft Andre Drummond in the 2012 draft class.

Our starting lineup for 2012-13 season would look like this:

DJ
Henderson
Derrick Williams
Tyrus
Drummond

[stun704]

Lmao...15&6 with no star. Hell he was killing it in college just lilke the guys ya'll mention but the NBA is the great equalizer(See:Evan Turner) especially for a point guard playing with four back ups. DJ has great value around the league and even if he doesn't start he will never see under 30 minutes a game until 28 plus years of age. No pick and roll big man , No pick and roll defender, Hendo just started konocking down shots off the curl, nodody runs but DJ. Give me a d@mn break ya'll act like charlotte has some legit pieces in place. He will hopefully leave and you guys will whine about why he didn't do what he is doing with his new team while he was here like everybody else who left.
i'm a big DJ fan & apologist, but lets cut the chatter about shitting on his team mates, CP3 has just as bad supporting cast yet hes leading his team to the playoffs in the west, PG is in a position to make his team mates better and can will his team to vicotry single handly if the case needs be, DJ should really pattern is game after CP's... DJ isn't playing with D leaguers, hes playing with capable players, he just needs to put it together for the bobcats, and for his game in particular to ascend to the next level.

[dav7z]

I have to agree with you about us not having any stars on the team. DJ IS worth a first round pick. We don't have any star players on the team that can expand DJ's level. He's a great player I just don't know why people are so fond of trading him here since he's been playing with injuries back to back busting his ass. Anytime he plays a bad game they're always someone saying we should trade him while when he plays a good game everyone praises him. Again until we have the right players for this team I really think DJ will probably be in the top 10 best PG in the NBA in the future.

I have never been on the DJ bandwagon . Hes a nice guy even a good back up point. Him being hurt somewhat has nothing to do with any thing. Hes had the rings as Balwhore would put it. He didn't and hasn't proved hes a core piece to build around. This being a draft with gpod points would allow us to draft a point that would fit as part of a core . I think DJ and a NO first could land us a number 4# pick . That being said we get a quility player . With the 10th pick we take our point [either Kemba or Knight ]

Nothing personal but this team is in a total rebuilding mode. And we have NO.NONE CORE PLAYERS . We do have a few role players in White , Cunningham , Henderson , Buts thats about it.

[dav7z]

DJ not a starting PG? Name me 30 better. He's #22 of point guards on Hollinger's PER, he's 13th (without taking out people who don't really count) in assist/turnover ratio. How is he just garbage we should trade for a first rounder? What team wants to give up a draft pick for someone you think is so bad anyway? How is this an argument? I'm not mad at ya Dav, I just don't understand the premise.
Big i love your articals , but DJs per isn't going to rebuild this team any faster . You know this draft class is bad over all . With only five quilty players beside point guards . We need to try and get a top 4# pick even if it means giving up a decent backup point guard. Thats what DJ is a decent backup point.
Big are you saying you think DJ should be our starting point for the next five years?

[ohara831]

I'm just not sure trading DJ is wise until we actually have another in place and see enough to know he can be the future. Grabbing Kemba or Knight with the 1st pick would be fine, but hold DJ to start and let the draft pick work his way into earning the start. It may be a situation where they are on the floor at the same time a good bit and it works magic. Just dont jump the gun and trade him before we know we have something better.

[dav7z]

I'm just not sure trading DJ is wise until we actually have another in place and see enough to know he can be the future. Grabbing Kemba or Knight with the 1st pick would be fine, but hold DJ to start and let the draft pick work his way into earning the start. It may be a situation where they are on the floor at the same time a good bit and it works magic. Just dont jump the gun and trade him before we know we have something better.
I understand what you saying . But keeping DJ will only slow down a compleate rebuild. See im for trading JAX ,Doris,TT, if it nets draft picks in the next three years .Young talent, or cap relief. By leting Wallace go . [The Nature Boy Ric Flair] was making a statement. Hes ready to compleately rebuild. Im sure management don't have long range plans for DJ after all the point guard trade rumors this season.

[SWedd523]

Saying I'd trade DJ doesn't mean he's not a starter in my eyes. Just because he's a solid, average player doesn't mean we shouldn't be looking to upgrade the position. Id rather shore up the bigger need positions (SF, C) before looking to make the PG slot better.

That's not to say I wouldn't trade DJ and the 10th for Steph if the opportunity arises.

[cltblkhscoach]

Guys, I am against this total rebuild thing for a couple of reasons. Look at teams like the Clippers, Toronto, Golden State, etc....Those teams are always "rebuilding", they get great draft picks, cap room, whatever, but they still don't win. DJ has proven to be serviceable, and this is his first year as the full-time starter. Giving him up and putting the franchise in someone's hands you hasn't played an NBA game is not something I'm for at this point. I don't think we need a total rebuild. I mean, look at this group battling for the 8th seed, and there are teams with double the talent sitting in the lottery.

Sure, we need some upgrades no doubt. But, DJ and Gerald are young, and there are some good role players in place. We do need young talent to push these guys and eventually take over at a couple of positions, but you just don't go giving up proven assets at the expense of wanting to rebuild. DJ and Gerald are still on their rookie deals, the greatest bargin in the league right now as starters. I'm with getting rid of Boris, maybe Najera retires, and if they can find some way of getting rid of Gana, some rookies can come in and push those starters for playing time. I'd give Jack one more good season, and try to resign Kwame and bring in a young big to push him. Tyrus and DJ White are our 4 guys, so we don't need a ton of help there. Let Livingston play out his deal, Cunningham is the backup 3. Definitely need a backup combo guard to be insurance for Livingston and backup Gerald.

What you guys are asking for is essentially what the Panthers did. Panthers have an unproven front office led by Marty Hurney. We have an unproven front office in Michael Jordan. What we do best is make trades, so in all honesty I hope to God we're pairing these picks along with Boris's expiring for a young guy that can come in and fill it up. And if there's a young big that can do that, I make the trade in a second. Jordan wants to win, and get out of financial trouble. There is NO WAY he's going to go with a complete rebuild and further alienate this fanbase than it already is, he can't afford to at all.

[cltblkhscoach]

Damn this April Fools Day LMAO

[Marvel]

We first need to address our need at C and SF before we trade DJ.

[dnbman]

We first need to address our need at C and SF before we trade DJ.

While that has logic to it, I think we've done ourselves a disservice in past drafts based on choosing for positional needs rather than the best talent. There are a few point guards that look interesting in this draft. For some reason, there are several marginal looking bigs getting more hype than those point guards. I'd rather try to get the best player-- position be damned-- with all of our picks right now. Stock up on the best young talent possible and supplement with short term vets until we get another quality young player.

That's my take now. I think I've completely changed perspectives in three years.

[SWedd523]

We first need to address our need at C and SF before we trade DJ.
That should be the overall frame of mind... unless something too good to pass up comes along

[Wolfpackbobcat]

We cant keep trading players away. Whats the point then. Imagine if we kept Richardson, Wallace, Chandler. We would have depth. Our picks have been doo doo. This draft is doo doo. Cap space is great if we get someone, but last summer proved that no one good will come via fa. Why trade DJ? We need to keep our decent players.

We are going to end up drafting someone like Knight, and in 2 years, yall will want to trade him away too. :mad:

[millst2]

I am all for trading if it means offloading some of our shitty contracts.

I think right now we have a ton of youth and that is great. If i had to keep a core to build around and let grow would be DJ, Liv, Hendo, Tyrus, White and I do not mind Cunningham.

We need to ship everyone else out. Even if we have to package our picks and vets together to get pieces in FA. I wouldnt even mind keeping Kwame, he isn't a top center but over the past month he is the best center dollar for dollar you could ask for. I doubt
we keep him with his improvement but we should try.

Get a young C to battle for minutes, we get another young pg to battle for minutes, but for the most part PG and PF we are fine.. we need to focus on a few more wing players and centers.

In saying all of this I agree we need to fill these positions, but I think we should go into the mindset to get the best possible player regardless of position in the draft. Nothing else it gives us trade chips and helps us offload bad contracts and get needed slots via trade.

[dnbman]

We are going to end up drafting someone like Knight, and in 2 years, yall will want to trade him away too. :mad:
I definitely think that's a good point, but I also think we can hang on to misfires just for the sake of hanging on to them. DJ is a good player, but not a guy who is going to be a starting point guard on a great team, at least not on a great team with two more superstars. Also, I'm not sure DJ is really happy here. I don't have much evidence, but I just get the feeling that he'll be out unless we give him a big contract.

I think if you could him for a pick to try and get a true point guard, you do it.

[Chef]

That should be the overall frame of mind... unless something too good to pass up comes along

aside from jax we have no legit sure fire playoff starters on this team. forget position, forget need, get the best player available.

[Scottley Crue]

aside from jax we have no legit sure fire playoff starters on this team. forget position, forget need, get the best player available.

I agree, best player available. We have some talent, but none great enough that we can turn down good talent because of what position they play.

[SWedd523]

aside from jax we have no legit sure fire playoff starters on this team. forget position, forget need, get the best player available.
I'm not even talking about the draft.

[cltblkhscoach]

Plain and simple, I just don't think you trade DJ. This is not the best you're going to see of him. It's his FIRST year as the full-time point guard. We draft Brandon Knight, he gives us this kind of production, would we want to trade him to? I'd understand if DJ was in his 4th or 5th year, but give him a chance. Look at the development of Derrick Rose, and most other point guards in the league. Hell, Steve Nash was a late bloomer if I can recall. The only inside threat is Diaw, and that's if he feels like banging that night. Funny how all great point guards have that big guy they can play off of. DJ is doing what he's doing now with Kwame and Boris. Imagine if we got a half decent, consistent offensive threat to go with him down low?

[teej]

Would I trade DJ to draft Brandon Knight? Hell no.

Would I trade DJ if it netted Harrison, Kyrie, or Valanciunas? Hell yes.

[dav7z]

Would I trade DJ to draft Brandon Knight? Hell no.

Would I trade DJ if it netted Harrison, Kyrie, or Valanciunas? Hell yes.

Agreeded and thats been my point all along .
If DJ and the 15# can't net us a top 4# pick . Its no reason to let DJ go . DJ is a very servicable player.
But if DJ can help produce a Barnes , Whitch i think he can we would be dumb not to move DJ.

With the top 4# we draft a Barnes type.
With the 10th we draft a knight type.

Our core would look much better [ This is not automatic starters]

Knight ,
Henderson
Barnes, Cunningham
TT, White
All im saying is we get at least one nice core piece if we can move up.

Its no great FIVES in this draft . Take the best players not position.