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would you do something like this:
we win the lottery with our pick. toronto or sacremento are picking 4th and give us the following offer:
we trade the #1 overall pick for the #4, their 2nd rounder and they take on diop's contract with cap space or tpe
dnbman
04-05-2011, 09:18 AM
would you do something like this:
we win the lottery with our pick. toronto or sacremento are picking 4th and give us the following offer:
we trade the #1 overall pick for the #4, their 2nd rounder and they take on diop's contract with cap space or tpe
That would be VERY tempting. Including Barnes and Jones, I like all of the top 4 likely picks.
ohara831
04-05-2011, 09:47 AM
Yes, I would do it. We get Barnes, Williams or Kanter with that pick. Then take our 2 early 2nd rounders and our NO 1st and try to move up a few more spots. Grabbing Alec Burks with that pick would make for an awesome Draft.
SWedd523
04-05-2011, 11:47 AM
Barnes is reportedly going back to school guys.
Either way, I wouldn't make that trade before the draft. I'd have it on the table then if the player we want at 4 is available, make them select him and then make the deal.
dnbman
04-05-2011, 12:40 PM
Barnes is reportedly going back to school guys.
I saw that, but I'm wondering if he'll change his mind if he is slated to go top 3 or 4? For a while, his stock was lower.
ohara831
04-05-2011, 04:49 PM
Saw that report on Barnes, and then they came out and said both he and Henson were undecided and would take a few days to decide. I can understand Henson staying, but cannot understand someone staying who will be a Top 3 pick. I admire someone like Sullinger saying he wants to stay at OSU another year, but the risk of blowing out a knee and losing a few million dollars just seems to much of a risk. Modern surgery can do a lot, but some injuries will take away one's explosiveness and speed which can be very critical parts of the game for a NBA player. I think it would be an admirable decision, but in error as well. Not very idealistic of me, but I think it realistic.
SWedd523
04-05-2011, 06:15 PM
I don't blame him at all for trying to get an education.
I don't blame him at all for trying to get an education.
come on swedd, if he stays (which i doubt he will) it is because he is having fun. getting an education has little to do with it. he can pay for his education 10 times over with a top 3 pick. he is a very smart kid and a great student who values his education but he isn't stupid. he knows he can get a degree as a pro too.
Yeah, swedd, you know better. No athlete is staying in college for a degree. It's because for whatever reason the pro life isnt available, appealing or worthwhile enough for them at the time. Not hecause they want to learn economics or medieval history.
SWedd523
04-06-2011, 11:11 AM
That may be the case for the retards who get in school by being ball players, not the case for guys seriously looking to set themselves up for the future, especially with the way guys are going broke after they retire.
He chose UNC because they offer an accelerated business program. If he takes summer classes then he can get his degree in two years. Makes sense to me to postpone the NBA for a year if it means being set for life.
With the money one makes at the rookie minimum for one year, after taxes, that's still 10 years of college. Harrison would be guaranteed at least 6 million...not 462k.
That may be the case for the retards who get in school by being ball players, not the case for guys seriously looking to set themselves up for the future, especially with the way guys are going broke after they retire.
He chose UNC because they offer an accelerated business program. If he takes summer classes then he can get his degree in two years. Makes sense to me to postpone the NBA for a year if it means being set for life.
that's the point, if he is top 5 he is set for life. it is at least 10 mil total guaranteed money. he won't go broke because he isn't a retard. he can take 3 summer's worth of classes or a few online classes and 1 or 2 summers and still get the degree. i would agree with you if he were outside the top 7 to 10 but he is virtually guaranteed the top 5 right now.
Plowright
04-07-2011, 07:12 AM
When do draft work outs start? Also when is the draft combine in chicargo is it?
JamieMcNeill
04-07-2011, 12:28 PM
This may identify me as a homer, but, have yall considered that another year at UNC could mean national championship for young Mr. Barnes?
dnbman
04-07-2011, 12:43 PM
This may identify me as a homer, but, have yall considered that another year at UNC could mean national championship for young Mr. Barnes?
Winning a collegiate championship is always something to consider, but being a top pick in a professional draft that basically sets you up for life if you don't blow it is a tough thing to pass up.
I think it's noble to seek a championship and get a degree. However, if it's my son, I tell him to go pro 99 times out of 100. Degrees can get be earned later and learning doesn't take place just at learning institutions.
JamieMcNeill
04-07-2011, 12:54 PM
Problem is... This isn't Kentucky, so there is some pressure to stay and finish what was started.
SWedd523
04-07-2011, 01:07 PM
100 million dollars didn't set antoine walker up for life. The millions didn't set countless other athletes up for life. Now look at all of them: Broke and stupid. One more year of college is a smart "risk" to take if it sets you up even closer to attaining that degree. It's not like he won't make millions when he enters the draft next year, or the year after.
JamieMcNeill
04-07-2011, 01:15 PM
Even Jordan has had financial issues! I mean come on, don't be silly, ballers need degrees. AI, Walker, Pippen, Latrell Sprewell and Kenny Anderson cosign this shit
dnbman
04-07-2011, 01:41 PM
Even Jordan has had financial issues! I mean come on, don't be silly, ballers need degrees. AI, Walker, Pippen, Latrell Sprewell and Kenny Anderson cosign this shit
No ballers need to learn how to spend money. There are plenty of people with college degrees that are unemployed at the moment. He can get his degree at any point if that's what he wants to do. Being a high lottery pick can't be taken for granted.
I have no doubt that I value education as much as anyone on this board. However, a year of two formal education is MUCH easier to attain than being a high lottery pick.
SWedd523
04-07-2011, 01:44 PM
How often do people say, "I'm going back to school" yet never do? Tons. Now think about how many say they before making millions in sports, then living off that for long enough to say, "fuck it." before losing all of their money and they don't have the drive to go back to school as a 30+ year old.
It makes so much more sense to stay in school for another year or two. Nothing is going to stop him from being a lottery pick. Besides, it's not like he isn't getting paid to play now anyway.
dnbman
04-07-2011, 01:52 PM
Nothing is going to stop him from being a lottery pick.
A lot of things could stop him from being a lottery pick, injury being the most obvious.
Having an undergraduate degree, especially in business, doesn't mean nearly as much as it used to. Yes, an average degree holder will make more of a lifetime than a non-degree holder. However, having a degree, even from UNC, doesn't mean you're set for life. ANYBODY going through school right now is going to have to work hard, continue learning, and be flexible in order to stay employed for their adult life, as industry and business are changing so much. Suggesting that by simply having a degree you are going to be safe is ridiculous.
Yeah, there's the chance that he could be 30+ years old and decide not to go back and get his degree. However, the option is there. The reverse can't be said if something happens to his knee while he's trying to get his degree.
If he has a true business spirit, simply being a former NBA player can do more for him than having a piece of paper saying he has a degree in business.
SWedd523
04-07-2011, 01:56 PM
Look. He's going back to school. Winning a National Championship. and Giving me something to throw in the faces of all the Duke fans.
AND THAT'S THAT.
dnbman
04-07-2011, 02:00 PM
Look. He's going back to school. Winning a National Championship. and Giving me something to throw in the faces of all the Duke fans.
AND THAT'S THAT.
That's totally cool, man. If I was a UNC fan, I'd argue until I was Carolina blue in the face. However, in modern life an undergraduate degree can be pretty overvalued.
JamieMcNeill
04-07-2011, 03:52 PM
That's totally cool, man. If I was a UNC fan, I'd argue until I was Carolina blue in the face. However, in modern life an undergraduate degree can be pretty overvalued.
It's not only that, but this is not Brandon Knight deciding whether or not going back to Kentucky or being a lotto pick. The is Harrison Barnes. UNC will be preseason #1. He has a chance to be a college legend. He CHOSE North Carolina because of the program, he wants a degree, his mother said HE is getting one. I see him around campus, he's respectful and intelligent, not to mention he seems to be having a great time. This place is infectious, if there is anything to make a guy put off a pro career it's those factors listed above. It's the Chapel Hill Effect- look at Hansbrough, Lawson, Ellington, Zeller, Henson, Felton and more.
That's totally cool, man. If I was a UNC fan, I'd argue until I was Carolina blue in the face.
See? I did it.
dav7z
04-07-2011, 04:41 PM
Look. He's going back to school. Winning a National Championship. and Giving me something to throw in the faces of all the Duke fans.
AND THAT'S THAT.
You got a link all i can find says he might go.
Harrison Barnes
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/657206-2011-nba-draft-the-unc-tar-heels-example-zeller-henson-stay-barnes-may-go
JamieMcNeill
04-07-2011, 06:52 PM
You got a link all i can find says he might go.
Harrison Barnes
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/657206-2011-nba-draft-the-unc-tar-heels-example-zeller-henson-stay-barnes-may-go
It's not official yet, just a lot of rumors and feelings really.
100 million dollars didn't set antoine walker up for life. The millions didn't set countless other athletes up for life. Now look at all of them: Broke and stupid. One more year of college is a smart "risk" to take if it sets you up even closer to attaining that degree. It's not like he won't make millions when he enters the draft next year, or the year after.
swedd, the first part of your argument flies against the argument that he is a smart/education type of kid before a baller. if he is smart (which i absolutely agree with) then not finishing school full time will not mean he will blow through his pro earnings. antoine walker went to school for two years and pissed away his money. he could have gone to school for 10 years and still pissed away his money. he doesn't need to come back to attain a sense of money management.
again, from a business standpoint the less business savy decision is to come back if you are a projected top 5 pick. it is more risky to come back than to go into the draft.
If Harrison thinks he can improve his draft stock and future earnings by coming back, that's fine, and I'll respect that.
If he wants to come back to win a ring, I'll love it as a UNC fan and respect it, too.
But if he comes back to win a ring, he shouldn't be able to get a degree in business management or whatever the hell he's going for, because NO smart businessman turns down being a top 3 pick for a college ring, ever.
Also, using stupid ballers as an example is beyond you. David Robinson hasn't wasted his money. No one hears Magic Johnson talking about needing cash. Muggsy is doing just fine. It's all about the spender, not the amount paid.
JamieMcNeill
04-08-2011, 05:04 PM
It's all about the spender, not the amount paid.
it just so happens that this spender has always been about getting a degree
it just so happens that this spender has always been about getting a degree
And any business major knows that the smart move is to go to the NBA, and then get the degree during the lockout.
He's going to have at least another semester, then it's just a quick summer set and he's got his degree...before he enters his second season in the league.
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