ummm ... OMG?

[Mustachio]

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2011/04/howard-craves-to-be-a-bobcat.html

[BRNC]

Prankster part I believe...

[Mustachio]

was he joking last night? absolutely.

Is this a real possibility? absolutely.

[ziggy]

And then Ashton Kutcher jumped out from behind the bench, Right?

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w301/bobcatsplanet/imagesqtbnANd9GcQRFQxBqRLQTjbhBFHal.jpg

[WarioVsMooChicken]

As far as really far-fetched possibilities go, I could seriously see this happening. Dwight has always played extra hard against us (I know that was mainly cause of Mek...but still).

For some reason, Kwame + Dwight intrigues me....really Dwight plus anyone would... but Kwame, I'm curious of the possibilities.

[Mustachio]

I say it every game... Kwame Brown would be the worlds best backup center.

[Chef]

mj probably came in his pants when he heard that. although if we could land paul, howard may follow. doubt it, but we can dream right?

[Mustachio]

mj probably came in his pants when he heard that. although if we could land paul, howard may follow. doubt it, but we can dream right?

why doubt it? because it hasn't happened before?

I jokingly sing Sir Mix a Lot when a girl with a fat ass walks into a bar, but that doesnt mean I dont really like big butts does it?

[-Ian-]

If Charles Oakley did wonders for Kwame Brown, what more can he do if DH12 will be a Bobcat? I seriously hope MJ can bring us the Superman.

[ND22]

Its certainly better than him flat out saying he wouldn't play for us. He's a jokster, but he typically pokes fun at people he has respect for, like his Stan Van Gundy impression, so joking with the Bobcats coaching staff indicates he has some bit of respect for those guys. Would have been great if he yelled it to MJ though. :P

[WrxErik]

I mean look at it this way. What other teams has he said this to when they were playing each other?

[ammofan]

He's likely joking but it's not like he yells this to every team's bench...And I'm sure it wasn't just a coincidence that DH12 said that while Jordan was over there on the bench.

Here comes a Dwight Howard in a Bobcats uniform Photoshop coming soon.... :D

[teej]

Ever since Melo then D-Will didn't work out, MJ is going for CP3 and D12 in 2012. Do remember Ewing was a finalist before Silas got the job. But I wouldn't take it too seriously until Dwight signs with Nike. But yeah, it wasn't a coincidence that Dwight said this with Mike courtside. Also worth noting Mike shows up for more Orlando games than any other team I've noticed. He also went to the away games in Orlando. He had his reasons.

Whether Dwight knows of MJs plan yet, I don't know. But its CP3 and d12 in 2012 or bust. Bigtime bust.

[Chef]

Ever since Melo then D-Will didn't work out, MJ is going for CP3 and D12 in 2012. Do remember Ewing was a finalist before Silas got the job. But I wouldn't take it too seriously until Dwight signs with Nike. But yeah, it wasn't a coincidence that Dwight said this with Mike courtside. Also worth noting Mike shows up for more Orlando games than any other team I've noticed. He also went to the away games in Orlando. He had his reasons.

Whether Dwight knows of MJs plan yet, I don't know. But its CP3 and d12 in 2012 or bust. Bigtime bust.

i agree with this 99%. mj has already been working cp3 since last year's playoffs. the one game i went to this year was NO, specifically to see cp3. he and jordan shared more than just handshakes and small talk. cp3 is a jordan type of player. he is a ruthless competitor and if he and howard end up on the same team expect howard to gain a much more competitive personality on the court.

the only thing i would argue with is the big time bust part. right now aside from hendo we don't have any pieces that are remotely interesting long term. if we were to gut the roster and miss, we are left with salary cap and a crappy team. right now we have no cap and a crappy team. as long as we don't give away too many future picks to clear cap i have no problems with swinging for the fences and missing.

[teej]

the only thing i would argue with is the big time bust part. right now aside from hendo we don't have any pieces that are remotely interesting long term. if we were to gut the roster and miss, we are left with salary cap and a crappy team. right now we have no cap and a crappy team. as long as we don't give away too many future picks to clear cap i have no problems with swinging for the fences and missing.

If you miss out on CP3 and Dwight (because only one doesn't make you a contender) then the chance of getting a superstar gets a lot smaller. To the point Higgins might lose his job in short order. And he's the sane one.

I would also say the current roster is built very close to what CP and Dwight could use well. Tyrus and DJ2 could fit the David West/Brandon Bass role well, Carroll will still be around to fill the white guy shooter role, Hendo would get insane alleys with CP, and his defense would mesh well with D12, Jack would be an expiring contract used to net a piece (or save money) and Livingston is a great backup guard for a star like CP.

And the off-court staff is sorta tailored for those guys too. Both seem to appreciate a quiet front office, and Stephen sticking around would be good for both CP and Oak likewise for Dwight. I just hope Patrick isn't coaching...

And it does help that the mouthpiece to ESPN for us used to work with Chris, too.

[stun704]

we need to draft Jordan Hamilton this year

CP3
a More developed Henderson
Hamilton - his best ability is to catch and shoot 3's
Tyrus
Howard

would be easily the best starting 5 in the league

[ammofan]

we need to draft Jordan Hamilton this year

CP3
a More developed Henderson
Hamilton - his best ability is to catch and shoot 3's
Tyrus
Howard

would be easily the best starting 5 in the league

That would be such a sick lineup.......I cant even imagine....

[Dcarnys]

we need to draft Jordan Hamilton this year

CP3
a More developed Henderson
Hamilton - his best ability is to catch and shoot 3's
Tyrus
Howard

would be easily the best starting 5 in the league

I think I came my pants just thinking about that, the best part is its reasonable.

[stun704]

I think I came my pants just thinking about that, the best part is its reasonable.
its certainly plausible, and after this article there is most definitely more of a chance of it happening then it was a month ago... We already knew there is a chance that CP3 would be interested in becoming a bobcat, now we know Dwight would atleast entertain the idea.. and I would think we are on a short list of teams that are capable of signing both of them outright.. I really think Howard will leave orlando one way or another, they have a ton of bad contracts, with not many young prospects to make the team better.. only way they can make marginal apporvement is how Cleveland did with lebron - trade for older players with capcrippiling contracts

[SWedd523]

Am I the only one a little wary of CP3? He hasn't been the same for quite a while now. That knee isn't pretty and I'm not sure if I wanna throw max money at him when we could do the same for another guy.

[stun704]

Am I the only one a little wary of CP3? He hasn't been the same for quite a while now. That knee isn't pretty and I'm not sure if I wanna throw max money at him when we could do the same for another guy.
if nothing else, we get cp3 for the star power, and to attract howard, hes def worth the risk

[SWedd523]

Well there were reports that Dwight and Deron were getting all buddy buddy and that Dwight was considering going to Jersey/Brooklyn to play with him. That'd definitely be something I'd prefer over CP3.

You're right though, people would go bat shit crazy over having CP3 in town. Then again, Steph has Charlotte roots too..... :)

[Chef]

Am I the only one a little wary of CP3? He hasn't been the same for quite a while now. That knee isn't pretty and I'm not sure if I wanna throw max money at him when we could do the same for another guy.

i think it is certainly a worry, but it is definitely a two year injury. if he isn't significantly quicker/more explosive next season then he is what he is. even as he is this season, i still think you could argue he is the best pg in the league. not the best scorer, driver etc but best overall point guard. i think it is hard to argue he isn't top 3.

i would give him the max. he would be a franchise savior. hometown guy, best player in a cats uni ever and could get howard here. no brainer, even if he ends up hurt. relevancy is much better than what we are now. and it would almost guarantee i get to watch them on tv!

[SWedd523]

You haven't forgotten about Derrick Rose have you

[Chef]

You haven't forgotten about Derrick Rose have you

statistically (per) cp3 is better than rose. but no, the top three are deron, rose and cp3. look out for westbrook up and coming though.

[teej]

CP3 at 80% is still better than any alternative.

D-Will won't sign here, Steph wanted a big market when he was being drafted.

And CP seems to be getting back into his former self as of late.

[stun704]

CP3 in 08 was arguably the best PG ever(outside of magic of course), i don't know how serious a torn meniscus is but it most certainly has not stopped him from putting his garbage support cast on his back and willing them to the playoffs

[Chef]

CP3 in 08 was arguably the best PG ever, i don't know how serious a torn meniscus is but it most certainly has not stopped him from putting his garbage support cast on his back and willing them to the playoffs

yeah that NO team is terrible. where cp3 is off is in his first step. he just can't explode to the basket like he did in 08. but i think it is coming back and will be back next year. even if it doesn't and he stays healthy, i take him over all but maybe 2 or 3 pg's in the league.

[teej]

Per Cranston:

Chatted w/ #Hornets (http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23Hornets) G Chris Paul this AM. 2012 free agent, NC native on joining #Bobcats (http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23Bobcats): "It would definitely be something to think about."

[teej]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-pauljordan

Full story on the matter.

[Chef]

Per Cranston:

Chatted w/ #Hornets (http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23Hornets) G Chris Paul this AM. 2012 free agent, NC native on joining #Bobcats (http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23Bobcats): "It would definitely be something to think about."

i think it happens if we can get enough cap room to make a legitimate max offer at both him and howard. if i were howard i would rather play with cp3 than deron and i would much rather be under jordan brand than wear the ugly adidas he sports now. the problem will be convincing him to play in the small market charlotte and not for the new york b team.

[teej]

Miami isn't a big market...

And if D-Will isn't convinced the Nets are the right team for him, and he's playing there, why would Dwight be?

[stun704]

the stars are aligning


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFN_xuwiDW0

[rsxnova]

Dont jump the gun yet...

from cp3's twitter

here in NO and that's the future and anything can happen...Hate when people try to turn things around just to make it a story...#slowdown (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23slowdown)

[teej]

He's doing damage control.

Everyone know's he's leaving.

[Black]

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Chris Paul remembers every detail of the first time he met Michael Jordan.

Now referring to him as his mentor, could Paul decide to return home next year and make Jordan his boss?

Paul won't rule it out.

"It would definitely be something to think about," the New Orleans guard said Tuesday when asked about the potential to sign with the Jordan-owned Charlotte Bobcats in 2012. "But right now it's all about trying to win a championship here with the Hornets."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6336690

Take it for what it's worth.

[Chef]

He's doing damage control.

Everyone know's he's leaving.

i am sure what he meant was of course he isn't ruling out any team right now if they can give him the max especially his hometown team. i don't think that article really means anything big right now. if i were jordan i would come out and do damage control for him (with paul's blessing) if the story becomes an issue around the start of the playoffs.

[Black]

Didn't realize this was discussed in the Howard thread. Sorry!

[CatMan72]

I wouldn't be totally against the idea of getting Howard and Paul, LOL

[Chef]

I wouldn't be totally against the idea of getting Howard and Paul, LOL

only if the money is right. i wouldn't want to go into the luxury tax to do it.

[stun704]

only if the money is right. i wouldn't want to go into the luxury tax to do it.
lmao seriously? u can fill the rest of the roster with d-leaguers and still be contenders with the best PG and best C in the league.

[Marvel]

If Charles Oakley did wonders for Kwame Brown, what more can he do if DH12 will be a Bobcat? I seriously hope MJ can bring us the Superman.

Ahhh... Dwight is already a PHENOM...

[Marvel]

^^Yep, you get 2 elite players at PG and C, you've already laid the foundation for a dynasty.

[Chef]

lmao seriously? u can fill the rest of the roster with d-leaguers and still be contenders with the best PG and best C in the league.

what is this sarcasm thing i keep hearing about?

[TheLegend]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/213083/Rivers_Eager_To_Play_In_Front_Of_Michael_Jordan

hmmmm? :g:

[ammofan]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/213083/Rivers_Eager_To_Play_In_Front_Of_Michael_Jordan

hmmmm? :g:

2012 Lineup:
CP3
Rivers
2011 pick
Tyrus
Dwight

[teej]

And Doc as HC.

That'd be nice.

[SWedd523]

Doc is not a good coach, Celtics Homer.

[Chef]

Doc is not a good coach, Celtics Homer.

Doc is a great coach of veterans, not so good with non-vet team.

[mrtarheel]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/213114/Howard_Trade_Possible_This_Offseason. He may have been joking but someone is going to get a superman! Would be hard to get him but anything is possible. Maybe they get picks and a Center with a three way with us and the Clipps, us sending Diaw to Orlando with Kaman, and them sending Turk and we send Diop to the Clipps. Then with the 7 mill from Pryz, Dj, 9th pick and Najarea to the Hornets for Paul we have stardom in the Queen City? All wishful thinking but could you imagine this line

Paul, Livingston, Temple
Hendo, 39th pick, Carrol
Jax, Cunningham, McGuire
TT, White, FA
Howard, Brown, FA

[SWedd523]

Doc is a great coach of veterans, not so good with non-vet team.
Let's not kid ourselves, you or I could coach that Boston team to 50 wins

[Marvel]

Let's not kid ourselves, you or I could coach that Boston team to 50 wins

WHAT!!! I hope you're kidding...Doc is a great coach.

[SWedd523]

You mean the same Doc who was in danger of being fired until they traded for KG and Ray?


I know you love the Celtics too, but come on

[Marvel]

Oh i get it, this is the "coach is only as good as it's players" debate. You probably never followed the NBA back in the 90s.

Yep the same Doc who, in his first year as HC, took the Magic - who were predicted to finish last in the standings, to a near playoff berth with a .500 record, rated 9th best defensive team and surprisingly was awarded Coach Of The Year.

That team consisted of no names and a complete lack of quality bigs:

Darrell Armstrong, Ron Mercer, Chris Gatling, Tariq Abdul Wahad, Garrity, Doleac, Outlaw.

Ben Wallace was the best big they had, Outlaw was a solid defensive player, that's it.

Think it's easy coaching the Celtics with Rondo, Baby, the big 3, think again. Talent alone doesn't equal championships.

[cltblkhscoach]

Amen to that, it takes a master to manage those ego's and personalities and get them on the same page collectively to win. Silas has a little bit of that in him too. How many teams can we look at with rosters we'd love to have, but we look down on them in the standings?

[SWedd523]

Come on, don't pull that Battery "watch the game" argument here.


He never won more than 44 games with that Orlando team. How does that equate to greatness?

His first 8 years in the league, he never won more than 45 and had a total record of 273-312 (46%). How does that equate to greatness? After KG and Ray came to town, he's coached that team to a 234-94 record (71%). That team is great regardless of who the coach is. Also, Phil never got fired, Red never got fired, Pop never got fired, Fitch never got fired, Dr. Jack never got fired, Pat Riley never got fired. Those guys are great coaches. You wouldn't ever put Doc in that list. you wouldn't even put him with Sloan, Daly, Nelson, and others who did get fired. Hell even Bill Russell won two rings as a player-coach.


And I don't understand the "it takes a master to manage those egos and personalities" argument. Who does he have to manage? Who does he have to keep in check? KG is obviously the alpha male in the locker room, but he's certainly not a bad apple like Jack and isn't the type of player who needs to be reeled in. Ray is a mild mannered and well respected guy so there's no worry from him. And Paul just wanted to win after being on a bad team for so long so he didn't have a bad attitude. With those three having so much respect, the coach doesn't need to keep any other team members in check because the big three can do it.


For a team with bad apples like Jack, Tyrus, etc. You can make that argument. Not on that Celtics team. Doc lucked into a great team.

[teej]

I think Rondo, Big Baby, Shaq's ego, KG's headcase and Delonte is a far greater challenge than Tyrus and Jack.

You're right on one thing, though. Doc is not a great coach. He's not good at x's and o's. But he's a terrific manager of people, same as Paul is here. And Doc knows how to get good assistants to run the x's and o's for him.

I'd take Doc over anyone but Pop and Phil.

[SWedd523]

You're also a Celtics homer, so of course you'd foolishly take him. KG isn't anywhere near the type of attitude that Jack is and that's an obvious truth. Having him, Pierce, and Ray keeps Rondo in check because he's the only one that could possibly usurp the balance of power. How many times have we made the argument, "It's okay to bring another bad apple in because we have veteran leadership"? Tons. Now imagine having REAL veteran leadership, guys that are proven winners and future HOFers. Sure makes any potential bad apples easy to manage. Besides, Baby is a big bitch and KG works him like one. Delonte isn't a team killer, he's just nuts. And Shaq? He came in publicly saying he was taking a back seat. Don't reach.

[Chef]

You're right on one thing, though. Doc is not a great coach. He's not good at x's and o's.


that was one hell of an inbound play as well as the final celts possession too. doc can coach. i think pop and phil are much better but doc is certainly in the conversation with george carl, jerry sloan, etc

[Marvel]

You're also a Celtics homer, so of course you'd foolishly take him. KG isn't anywhere near the type of attitude that Jack is and that's an obvious truth. Having him, Pierce, and Ray keeps Rondo in check because he's the only one that could possibly usurp the balance of power. How many times have we made the argument, "It's okay to bring another bad apple in because we have veteran leadership"? Tons. Now imagine having REAL veteran leadership, guys that are proven winners and future HOFers. Sure makes any potential bad apples easy to manage. Besides, Baby is a big bitch and KG works him like one. Delonte isn't a team killer, he's just nuts. And Shaq? He came in publicly saying he was taking a back seat. Don't reach.

You got issues son.



He never won more than 44 games with that Orlando team. How does that equate to greatness?


That team was a joke. The point was he managed to coach that team to a .500 record, earned him COTY.



And I don't understand the "it takes a master to manage those egos and personalities" argument


Now your putting words in my mouth. Where did i state Doc was a master? I said he was great, i didn't specifically say i'd put him up there with the all time greats. You might say Humphries is a great player, doesn't mean he's a future HOFer.



Doc lucked into a great team.


LOL, you mean just like Pop lucked into Tim Duncan and David Robinson.



KG isn't anywhere near the type of attitude that Jack is and that's an obvious truth. Having him, Pierce, and Ray keeps Rondo in check because he's the only one that could possibly usurp the balance of power. How many times have we made the argument, "It's okay to bring another bad apple in because we have veteran leadership"? Tons. Now imagine having REAL veteran leadership, guys that are proven winners and future HOFers. Sure makes any potential bad apples easy to manage.


Now your just talking a whole lot of rubbish. I guess Doc just walks into practice, grabs his nutsacks and says "Ok guys dribble the ball and shoot yourselves into a big pile of sweat." While eating nachos, drinking beer and watching porn on the internet.

I guess Doc doesn't even turn up to practice.

Have you even played bball before profesionally,semi pro? I don't think you have because you undermine a coaches ability to manage personalities, egos, adversity, diversity.

Who did Rondo ask to talk to when the Celtics were struggling towards the end of the season? Wasn't KG, wasn't Ray, wasn't Pierce, it was Doc.

[SWedd523]

You got issues son.lol. It seriously gets funny seeing some people get legitimately agitated about something like this. Calm down and get off his nuts.


That team was a joke. The point was he managed to coach that team to a .500 record, earned him COTY.You're going to have to do better than an opinion piece. That team had Armstrong, Mercer, a young Magette and Wallace. Certainly wasn't a joke.


Now your putting words in my mouth. Where did i state Doc was a master? I said he was great, i didn't specifically say i'd put him up there with the all time greats. You might say Humphries is a great player, doesn't mean he's a future HOFer.I didn't say you did. That point was made by cltblkhscoach. Point stands, he's not great. He's average.


LOL, you mean just like Pop lucked into Tim Duncan and David Robinson. He's also won 4 titles to Doc's 1.


Now your just talking a whole lot of rubbish. I guess Doc just walks into practice, grabs his nutsacks and says "Ok guys dribble the ball and shoot yourselves into a big pile of sweat." While eating nachos, drinking beer and watching porn on the internet. I don't remember saying that, though you really didn't address any of my points. Would you say KG is a bad apple comparable to Jack? No. You wouldn't.


I guess Doc doesn't even turn up to practice.Don't be silly. I'm sure he goes to every practice.



Have you even played bball before profesionally,semi pro? I don't think you have because you undermine a coaches ability to manage personalities, egos, adversity, diversity. No. Have you? Going back to my point you didn't address earlier, He doesn't have to manage anything. The stable veteran leadership of the big three is enough to keep bad eggs (that don't exist on that roster anyway) from causing trouble. He has an easy job. Just like Phil, just like Pop, just like the rest of the coaches for great teams.


You act like there's only one coach on the team anyway. How many assistants, trainers, etc. does Boston employ? Tons. They don't all sit around in a circle and listen to him draw up plays like some varsity basketball club. These are grown ass men, they know how to play the game since they've been doing it their entire lives. A great team could run out without a coach and still be great. Ask the Celtics of old after Auerbach left.

[Marvel]

No. Have you?


Please...Represented my hometown Auckland, 2nd division for 6 years.

Captain of my college premier bball squad, won the Auckland Premier Competition. Finished 3rd overall at Nationals.

Selected for NZ under 20 side in 1997. Competed in the Australian under 20 state championship. Placed 5th.



Going back to my point you didn't address earlier, He doesn't have to manage anything. The stable veteran leadership of the big three is enough


Ugh....really, you obviously lack knowledge on the subject. Try typing that crap on the Celtics RealGM board and see what comes up.

[SWedd523]

Please...Represented my hometown Auckland, 2nd division for 6 years.

Captain of my college premier bball squad, won the Auckland Premier Competition. Finished 3rd overall at Nationals.

Selected for NZ under 20 side in 1997. Competed in the Australian under 20 state championship. Placed 5th.



Ugh....really, you obviously lack knowledge on the subject. Try typing that crap on the Celtics RealGM board and see what comes up.


Got any links?


Because I'm not a homer, I lack knowledge on the subject? LOL. Let me guess, Spoelstra is a great coach too right?

Trying to tell me a sub .500 coach before two HOFers came to town is a great coach isn't going to work.

[Marvel]

Got any links?


Because I'm not a homer, I lack knowledge on the subject? LOL. Let me guess, Spoelstra is a great coach too right?

Trying to tell me a sub .500 coach before two HOFers came to town is a great coach isn't going to work.

Links to what. I have medals in frames, on my wall dickhead. Try Google if you want.

edit: since bball isn't a major sport here in NZ, never has been, that and the fact internet was just coming into existence in the mid 90s here, you'd be lucky to find anything relevant to bball in NZ at all.

[ziggy]

Locked.

Lets avoid the personal attacks.