We get the 19th pick by draw

[murphman]

Interesting, even though NO wins the tie breaker with Memphis to get the 7 seed, those rules do not apply to draft order. This posted from the Bobcats facebook page:



The Bobcats had some good luck as NBA drew tiebreakers for 2011 draft today and New Orleans beat Memphis, making Charlotte's pick #19 as well as pending lottery pick

[Jennings]

We actually got some luck. Let's hope it's not the last. If we got into the top 3 I would probably pass out.

[rsxnova]

Nice to see some luck come our way. I cant wait till the lotto drawing so we can win Barnes.

[ammofan]

Nice to see some luck come our way. I cant wait till the lotto drawing so we can win Barnes.

Barnes isnt coming out

[ohara831]

Barnes isnt coming out

Not yet decided. Stay positive.

[SWedd523]

I talked to Harrison by text earlier this week.


He said, "If the Bobcats win the lottery and get a top 3 pick, I'll come out because I really want to play in Charlotte. If the Bobcats don't win the lottery, I'll go back to school and we'll try again next summer."

[JGib23]

I talked to Harrison by text earlier this week.


He said, "If the Bobcats win the lottery and get a top 3 pick, I'll come out because I really want to play in Charlotte. If the Bobcats don't win the lottery, I'll go back to school and we'll try again next summer."

Deadline to return to college is before the lottery!

[TheLegend]

I would love for Barnes to come here. Him and Henderson on the 2 and 3 would be awesome.

[stun704]

Deadline to return to college is before the lottery!
only techincally.. he could declare for the draft before the lottery, then withdraw from the draft after the selections is over

[polarcat]

I wonder what adding this pick in with our 9th overall will allow us to move up in the draft? 2 spots up to #7? #6 maybe? Hopefully Jordan lucks out with the ping pong balls, and we move into the top 3, but if not, I'm curious where the 19th puts us if we package it. Then, we can figure out what else needs to be added to move up a little higher. Like, if the 2 picks combined can move us to #6, then maybe we toss in Diaw to get up to 3 :shrug:

[dnbman]

only techincally.. he could declare for the draft before the lottery, then withdraw from the draft after the selections is over

I think that's true as long as he doesn't hire an agent.

[dnbman]

I wonder what adding this pick in with our 9th overall will allow us to move up in the draft? 2 spots up to #7? #6 maybe? Hopefully Jordan lucks out with the ping pong balls, and we move into the top 3, but if not, I'm curious where the 19th puts us if we package it. Then, we can figure out what else needs to be added to move up a little higher. Like, if the 2 picks combined can move us to #6, then maybe we toss in Diaw to get up to 3 :shrug:

If we can move up to the top 4, I'd be interested in packaging the picks. After that, I think it's much more of a crapshoot. I'd probably rather take a chance on two players.

I would definitely package Diaw to move up.

I'm also wondering if this will be the type of draft where it won't cost much to flip spots to move up a little bit. Maybe our lottery pick and the second to move up a couple of spots.

[JGib23]

only techincally.. he could declare for the draft before the lottery, then withdraw from the draft after the selections is over

Not accurate.
In order to retain eligibility for College a player must withdraw his name by May 8th, The draft lottery is May 17th

Just to be clear, the rule was changed last year by the NCAA, the NBA's deadline to withdrawal no longer means anything for a college players ability to return to school. It will be moved up even more next year and players will only have about 2 weeks to decide if they will keep their names in the draft or return to school.

[WAM9]

I've been thinking about packaging the picks since we traded Gerald. Depending on the team and their individual needs and scouting, The #9 and #19 could net us a top 5 pick for sure. I like having multiple top 20 picks but would package them for a more sure thing in a heartbeat.

[polarcat]

I've been thinking about packaging the picks since we traded Gerald. Depending on the team and their individual needs and scouting, The #9 and #19 could net us a top 5 pick for sure. I like having multiple top 20 picks but would package them for a more sure thing in a heartbeat.

In most drafts, I'd prefer multiple picks because the level of talent in the pool is usually greater. With so few "studs" in this draft, and the lack of an All-Star calibre player on this roster with Wallace gone, I really hope we move up this draft. Not to beat the most beaten dead horse on this board, but we've already seen the wrong side of quantity over quality come draft time. Maybe it's homerism or the media, but I truly feel like Jordan is going to go big or go home this coming season in the draft and the trade market.

[Chef]

Not accurate.
In order to retain eligibility for College a player must withdraw his name by May 8th, The draft lottery is May 17th

Just to be clear, the rule was changed last year by the NCAA, the NBA's deadline to withdrawal no longer means anything for a college players ability to return to school. It will be moved up even more next year and players will only have about 2 weeks to decide if they will keep their names in the draft or return to school.

the ncaa is such a joke. it should do everything it can to work with the nba and not oppose it. stop pretending it college football and basketball are nothing but a minor league for the division 1 teams. the ncaa should allow undrafted players to return to school or decide to withdraw from the draft at anytime. make a rule that if you declare and are undrafted you can return to school but must stay for two years after that draft year or until you graduate.

it is such a farce that they make millions off these players but go out of their way to not help them become pro's.

[Chef]

I talked to Harrison by text earlier this week.


He said, "If the Bobcats win the lottery and get a top 3 pick, I'll come out because I really want to play in Charlotte. If the Bobcats don't win the lottery, I'll go back to school and we'll try again next summer."

are you a unc student? from what i hear from the durham ball community is that the unc players are having alot of fun right now on campus. they are announcing by twitter where they will be playing that day. then they show up and win the court and run it all day playing whoever wants to run. apparently, a couple hundred kids show up to play them, some are good but most are terrible and just want to tell their kids one day about playing against the unc team. this is why barnes is on the fence, he is having a great time.

on rusillo's podcast, it was said that a player like barnes or perry jones have the absolute most to lose if they come back and don't kill it. they will fall fast and right now barnes is assured a top 3 or 4 pick.

[SWedd523]

are you a unc student? from what i hear from the durham ball community is that the unc players are having alot of fun right now on campus. they are announcing by twitter where they will be playing that day. then they show up and win the court and run it all day playing whoever wants to run. apparently, a couple hundred kids show up to play them, some are good but most are terrible and just want to tell their kids one day about playing against the unc team. this is why barnes is on the fence, he is having a great time.

on rusillo's podcast, it was said that a player like barnes or perry jones have the absolute most to lose if they come back and don't kill it. they will fall fast and right now barnes is assured a top 3 or 4 pick.
lol no I go to South Carolina.


I was just kidding, I really have no idea what he's going to do. I have seen videos and the like on ESPN where they go play pickup ball with other students. I gotta say, it's pretty awesome

[Boomer]

I've been thinking about packaging the picks since we traded Gerald. Depending on the team and their individual needs and scouting, The #9 and #19 could net us a top 5 pick for sure. I like having multiple top 20 picks but would package them for a more sure thing in a heartbeat.

Disagree. Would you trade a top5 pick for a 9 and 19, especially in this draft? I would not.

[dnbman]

Disagree. Would you trade a top5 pick for a 9 and 19, especially in this draft? I would not.

I think it just depends. 5-9 is really anybody's guess on talent. If you like a player that looks like he might go lower, why not pick up a 19th pick and pay the player you want less money? I'm guessing it would have to be a situation where the higher team waits until after the 8th, but I could see it happening.

[ohara831]

If we do anything, I can see picking at #9, but then trying to package #19 and our 2nd to move up a couple spots in case somone like Jordan Hamilton is still on the Board. If we were to somehow come out of this draft with Kanter and Hamilton, I would consider that a highly successful Draft day. Only thing better for me is if the ping pong balls fell for us and we got a Top 3. Getting an Irving, Williams or Barnes and then still having #19 and our 2nd would be the Best Case Scenario, but the BB Gods would really have to be smiling on MJ.

[polarcat]

I just did a little research and a certain somebody on our current sidelines was the representative for a certain "other" Charlotte franchise when the balls bounced properly for us in '99. Maybe we should see if lightning strikes twice and have him rep us this year....


http://youtu.be/VAycohsh1BE

Baron Davis at #3 did wonders for that other team and Irving, Barnes, Williams can do the same again for us, a team that is a super-star away from being a top-4 team in the East.

[Toocool]

I just did a little research and a certain somebody on our current sidelines was the representative for a certain "other" Charlotte franchise when the balls bounced properly for us in '99. Maybe we should see if lightning strikes twice and have him rep us this year....


http://youtu.be/VAycohsh1BE

Baron Davis at #3 did wonders for that other team and Irving, Barnes, Williams can do the same again for us, a team that is a super-star away from being a top-4 team in the East.

Did you see Silas's face? Looked like the cat who had gotten the early bird.

[WAM9]

Disagree. Would you trade a top5 pick for a 9 and 19, especially in this draft? I would not.

I would.

If you were able to get a top 3 (and assuming Barnes comes out), then you are guaranteed Irving, Williams or Barnes. I would trade #9,#19 and another asset as well to get one of those 3 guys.

The more questionable thing comes at the #4 or #5 pick. It depends on your individual scouting as to what players are there and if you value them but Kanter, Knight or the 7' Euro (Monte) seem to be much better prospects than some of the guys we will pick from at#9.

Remember, we tried to go quantity over quality in the past when we took Felton and May over Chris Paul. In general, I would rather move up and get THE guy you are looking for rather than try out 2 guys from later on down the draft.

[SWedd523]

WAM, I think he was talking from the prospective of the team with the 5th pick, not us.

In this draft, I don't know why the 5th team would trade for the 9 and 19 unless they didn't have one definitive target at 5. Its too hard to tell either way though so I can't say for certain.


Also, I think Marvin Williams was our target in that botched deal, not CP3

[WAM9]

Oh, well that makes more sense as far as it being from the team with the 5th picks perspective.

It all depends on how teams scout and value the picks. Maybe someone doesn't see much difference in the #5-9 picks but has a guy that they like the potential of that might be picked up at #19. Again, it definitely depends on the team, their needs and scouting.

If they would do it though, I would move up if possible:)

[dav7z]

Im still hearing rumors of our two first and DJ for Curry , G/S seems to be real big Jimmer . Curry sells tickets ,puts buts in the stands . And is a nice start two a core.
We make the move for a star , With Monta , Curry is some what expendable . Two first round draft picks and a solid point is a high price though.

Crrry , Henderson , Cunningham , TT, White core pieces
With Doris, Jax , Hammer , Naj players who could be moved
Players to sign with small contracts K Brown , Nazz who wants to retire in Charlotte . His family and home being hear. Hes saying he just want to play one more year .

[SWedd523]

I'd do DJ and the 19 only for Steph, not both

[Chef]

assuming we stay put (9 and 19) I would do that in a flat second. this draft is terrible. curry is worth all that easily. now if we had a top 4, i wouldn't do both.

dav: where are you hearing this, not specifically if you aren't comfortable with it, but how reliable is the information?

[dav7z]

I read two articals one about a month ago the other about two weaks ago . The fitst artical was by Beachler . I don't know any thing about reliability of the guy . You guys know more about that than me. The the second artical ill try to find again and post a link. Like most things on hear rumors some sports caster trying to get famous .. Still could be a verry instresting move for the Bobcats . It would put buts in the seats ..

I all so hear MJ say ever thing except Paul has signed all ready . ???? ALL in a round about way WHO KNOWS??
The season is over and i kinda thought it fit in the thread.

[WAM9]

I would trade DJ and both 1sts for Curry in a heartbeat.

Maybe I am wrong here but I would take the known quantity over what might be. Curry would be a great fit on so many levels...

[ammofan]

Curry would be fantastic here. He would be the face of the franchise for a LONG, LONG time. Plus I see him as a 23-25 ppg scorer on our team. If you add him with Hendo, Jack(Yeah he will probably still be here), and another young Center....we suddenly have one of the best young teams in the NBA!

[frontpager]

I would rather have DJ, then pick Jordan Hamilton or Terrence Jones at #9. Then with 19th pick pick someone like Keith Shelvin Mack, Nolan Smith, Tyler Honeycutt or Kyle Singler. Get good depth at wing positions. Then in second round grab Keith Benson.

[frontpager]

Possibly Donatas Motiejunas

[Dcarnys]

I'd trade for Curry in a heartbeat. In the draft look for a good wing player. Jordan Hamilton at 9, Tyler Honetcutt at 19 (depending on which one gets traded for Curry).

[dav7z]

I would rather have DJ, then pick Jordan Hamilton or Terrence Jones at #9. Then with 19th pick pick someone like Keith Shelvin Mack, Nolan Smith, Tyler Honeycutt or Kyle Singler. Get good depth at wing positions. Then in second round grab Keith Benson.
You have to go with the most talent in this draft . For get position Alec Berks if around at nine is by far the most talent.A big starting back court of Henderson and Berks could be leathel'. Or just just use Berks playing both positions . Though i think he could start at either . He is the sleeper in this draft.

Halimton ,and Jones are both solid . But neither is more than a role player at the next level . Smith, and Honeycutt could all so be good role players. I doubt Mack ,or Singler make the 1# round . Both having truble sticking around over one or two seasons. With our secound round pick we should take a big swing over seas . Unless Quility falls.
If Berks is around hes got to be our pick. Berks, Knight, then Kemba , After that Halmton and Jones

[Chef]

just got done listening to the nba today podcast. rusillo was interviewing the warriors gm and the topic of moving steph came up. basically, he played it coy but said if the right trade came along they would definitely consider it. throughout the whole interview he was stressing their need for defense and rebounding especially in the front court to help with david lee's defensive weaknesses. i think we could offer a good package if we can either a) move into a position to get kanter through some lotto luck or b) on draft night have a possibility of bismack byombo (sp) or maybe even faried

we could offer hendo, the high pick and kwame for curry and filler and see if they bite. i would do that all day. they won't want dj because he is just weak defensively as curry, not as good offensively, etc and hendo is well worth curry even though hendo did show some very good things this year.

taking it a step further, it does nothing to our cap space and a player like curry could help to steer cp3 (and hopefully by extension howard) here. cp3 and curry would be a (small) but very potent back court and with a front line of howard and thomas i am not overly concerned with penetration as long as curry can challenge the jumpers of the opposing sg. i know it is a pipe dream, but if management is serious about gunning for paul and howard this would be a first step type move to generate interest in the bobcats.

[Chef]

You have to go with the most talent in this draft . For get position Alec Berks if around at nine is by far the most talent.A big starting back court of Henderson and Berks could be leathel'. Or just just use Berks playing both positions . Though i think he could start at either . He is the sleeper in this draft.

Halimton ,and Jones are both solid . But neither is more than a role player at the next level . Smith, and Honeycutt could all so be good role players. I doubt Mack ,or Singler make the 1# round . Both having truble sticking around over one or two seasons. With our secound round pick we should take a big swing over seas . Unless Quility falls.
If Berks is around hes got to be our pick. Berks, Knight, then Kemba , After that Halmton and Jones

couldn't agree more. berks is supposedly one of the best athletes in the draft and if he can develop a semi decent mid range jumper (just like hendo did) he could be a sleeper. we need to go bpa all the way if we are going to be using the pick. i would disagree that he and hendo could play at the same time. neither are pg's and aside from short stretches that does not go over well in the nba.

[Katmandu]

Did you see Silas's face? Looked like the cat who had gotten the early bird.

The only reservation I had about Silas coaching the Bobcats is that it took an injury to David Wesley in the preseason of BD's second year for Davis to get the the chance to start.

Somebody mentioned Berks. I like Burks at nine.

No love for Singleton at 19?

[kickazzz2000]

Did you see Silas's face? Looked like the cat who had gotten the early bird.

hahahahahah yeah he has that shit eatin grin...I remember watching that live, hung over as all getout, and I started screaming. LOL

[SWedd523]

The only problem with Burks is that he's probably the worst defender projected to go in the top half of the draft.

[ammofan]

Why do we need Burks?

[Chef]

Why do we need Burks?

we need bpa period. forget position, we suck that bad.

[SWedd523]

Generally, the BPA argument never holds water at the top of the draft and is typically used as a cop out to justify taking someone who doesn't fill a position of need. The only time you go BPA is when one guy is clearly better than the others available at the time. And that only happens if a guy falls well below where he should be (re: DeJuan Blair). Now of course, there's going to be guys "slightly" better than others, but that doesn't make it worth it when fit is considered. You also have to consider upside, especially in the NBA where guys are drafted on potential more than anything else nowadays.

When the talent level is as close (that doesn't mean good) as it is in this draft, you pick where a guy can help the most. Burks isn't better than Leonard, Jones, or Hamilton, so there's no justification for taking him that high. If he falls to 19, then sure, we can talk. If he's taken before the three previously mentioned then we have stupid draft management.

[The Prodigy]

^Agreed. There is no point in drafting a SG when Gerald Henderson is arguably our best player, and Jacksons best position is probably SG too. Id much rather have someone who could play SF.

[Chef]

^Agreed. There is no point in drafting a SG when Gerald Henderson is arguably our best player, and Jacksons best position is probably SG too. Id much rather have someone who could play SF.

i think jackson proved after the crash trade that sf is his best position. that is a very good post swedd, but leonard or hamilton don't seem like they have great "upside" nor are projected to be great players by any means. i think burks and jones have the best combo of skills and athleticism. i like burks because the word that always pops up on the descriptions is athletic and pure scorer. we need both of those things. i like jones for the same reasons.

[JGib23]

I think a SG that has great handles and the ability to create offense off the dribble for himself and others is a huge need. I feel much better about the combo of Jack and Dante at SF than I do with Hendo and Matt Carroll at SG. I would love Burks to become our 3rd guard backing up both DJ and Hendo ( in the mold of Jamal Crawford in ATL). But the truth is almost anybody we get (even in this weak draft) will greatly improve our roster. I mean we are playing Livinston, Carroll, White, and going small at center due to a lack of quality bench depth!

At 19, I would love the best available low post scoring threat. I would love Tristan Thompson, Markieff Morris, or Jordan Williams. All are pf's and I know we are deep there with Diaw, Thomas, and White but, none of them really can score and draw double teams with their backs to the basket ( plus Diaw is in his last season)

[ammofan]

We need Jordan Hamilton at 19 and a scorer in the lottery(Of course I would want Irving/Williams/etc if we picked high). I just don't see a need for Burks because as a few others were saying, Henderson and Jack play the same position.

[SWedd523]

I'm not saying Burks is a low value player. It's just that I don't think he's any better than those other guys around the second half of the lottery that fill a position of need.

Here's (http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/212832/NBA_Execs_Like_Burks_Midrange_Scoring_Ability) what NBA Execs have to say about his game.


What he'll have to work on is to be a threat at the 3-point line so the rest of his game will be just as effective," a Southeast Division personnel man said. "He's good at the one-two [dribble] and pull up, and he's good at the rim. He scores with trickery and not with the bounce. He doesn't have that last dribble like Jason Richardson, where he just takes a step and he's going to dunk on anybody. (But) when the shot clock is going down and all the coaches are yelling 'red!,' you can get the ball to Alec Burks, and he's going to manuever and get a shot. And that's highly valued in the NBA.
Scouts are less than impressed with Burks’ defense.

"He has no interest," the first Northwest scout said of Burks. "He won't go under, through, or behind (screens). He's got some issues. ... great upside if he's willing to work. Something tells me (the work ethic) is not off the charts because he hasn't worked on his body at all. But the holes in his game are fixable.

[SWedd523]

I feel much better about the combo of Jack and Dante at SF than I do with Hendo and Matt Carroll at SG.
We're rebuilding. Jack won't be around past this year (if we don't trade him before then) and Dante isn't a SF. We need a young piece that we can slide in right there to build around. We aren't trying to win a championship right now, we're trying to get a foundation that can grow into a contender.

[Chef]

Henderson and Jack play the same position.

jack is a sf at this point in his career.

[JGib23]

We're rebuilding. Jack won't be around past this year (if we don't trade him before then) and Dante isn't a SF. We need a young piece that we can slide in right there to build around. We aren't trying to win a championship right now, we're trying to get a foundation that can grow into a contender.

I don't disagree with your point on rebuilding (although Jack will be here through next season and the year after as no one is going to give us any value for him- IMHO, and Dante's best position is SF he,s 6'8" and 230.... That's a nice sized SF or undersized PF.

By building the foundation you are referring to, we can pick a player at any position and he will help the team because our depth is that bad.... Look at any mock and almost any player in any top 10 would improve the team.
PG- any player we draft would be better than Livingston.
SG- any player we draft would be better than Carrol
SF- hopefully any top 10 player would push Dante to 3rd string and if we go SF with #19- that player could eventually push Dante to 3rd string by the end of the season.
PF- any player we draft would play a significant role and possibly start post Diaw being traded or contract expires.
C- the only Center we have on the roster is Diop....enough said.

[SWedd523]

If you draft a PG who are you going to focus the development on? DJ or the other guy?
If you draft a SG who are you going to focus the development on? Hendo or the other guy?


Dante is a PF, he played PF in college and played PF/C in Portland. He only plays SF here because we have no backup.

[ammofan]

jack is a sf at this point in his career.

I know that....but did he not just play most of this season at SG? He is also probably still listed as a SG.

[Plowright]

Dante is a PF, he played PF in college and played PF/C in Portland. He only plays SF here because we have no backup.

He only played pf/C at Portland because they were short. He is a sf/pf

[SWedd523]

He's only ever been referred to as a PF, but okay. Just because he has a solid midrange game doesn't make him a SF. He wouldn't ever play that spot if Jack was healthy and we didn't have so many other bigs.


Guess it's good to see some versatility. Don't let that confuse you to think that's where he fits most comfortably.

[JGib23]

If you draft a PG who are you going to focus the development on? DJ or the other guy?
If you draft a SG who are you going to focus the development on? Hendo or the other guy?


Dante is a PF, he played PF in college and played PF/C in Portland. He only plays SF here because we have no backup.

We develop whoever is the best prospect at any position for example, the ping pong gods are kind and we land Kyrie, it's obvious that we develop Kyrie to be our long term pg solution, if we draft a pg at 19 or 39 then he defers to DJ u less we strike Gold with a undervalued pg like Rajon Rondo.

We simply aren't good enough to bypass the most talented player because we have an average NBA starter already here. Portland passed on Jordan because they had Clyde Drexler, no one on our roster can be compared to Drexler and there's no Jordan in this draft but, hopefully u see my point. Worst case scenario we have great depth at a position and could trade one of those players to address another hole in the future if playing time becomes an issue. I would love to draft a player or players that are versatile enough to run the 1 & 2 or the 2 & 3 that way there would be plenty of minutes to go around as the primary back up for 2 positions.

Our team needs talent at every position and I wouldn't be upset at all if we drafted a PG or SG along as they are the BPA.
Hopefully the BPA would also fill a need but, if not at least we gain some much needed depth in the backcourt.

[SWedd523]

You must not have read my previous posts.

Of course if Kyrie falls you take him because he'd clearly be the best prospect. Is there any guy rated from 3-15 better than the rest? No. THEREFORE, you pick smart and you take the guy who is most useful. The BPA argument is a cop out in almost all cases and is a pointless debate at this time in the draft.

[JGib23]

You must not have read my previous posts.

Of course if Kyrie falls you take him because he'd clearly be the best prospect. Is there any guy rated from 3-15 better than the rest? No. THEREFORE, you pick smart and you take the guy who is most useful. The BPA argument is a cop out in almost all cases and is a pointless debate at this time in the draft.

I Disagree, Adam Morrison filled a need( or so they thought) I thought Rudy Gay was BPA.... DJ filled a need as Larry Brown wasn't comfortable with just Raymond- Lopez was BPA,

I think there has to be separation between 3 and 15- if they truly are equal in terms of instant impact and long range potential you obviously take the need position. I just think that scouting is so advanced you have to determine a hierarchy of prospects, if not why pay the scouts? Just go to nbadraft.net and just pick a guy.

[dnbman]

The BPA argument is a cop out in almost all cases and is a pointless debate at this time in the draft.

I don't think it's a cop out unless you really are just looking at somebody's mock and saying, "Oh, he's 7 and that guy's 8, so we take 7," which I don't think is what people mean when they say BPA, at least, I don't.

I hope it's understood that BPA only applies when there is clearly a better pick. If all things are pretty close to even, of course you take the player of need.

[Plowright]

I think we all have to admit there are fine lines between BPA and needs. I think it's all situation, each one is unique and different to another. I dont think anyone can be wrong or right you know?

[dnbman]

I think we all have to admit there are fine lines between BPA and needs. I think it's all situation, each one is unique and different to another. I dont think anyone can be wrong or right you know?

Agree, but some years you have to reach a little more than others. If we had no pg on the roster or only one and he wasn't talented, I'd say you reach a little for a point guard. However, I don't think this is one of those years. If there's a guy that we think is clearly more talented available to us, I think we pick him regardless of position. If we truly think 3-15 are all the same, then figure out what position you want.

[SWedd523]

I Disagree, Adam Morrison filled a need( or so they thought) I thought Rudy Gay was BPA.... DJ filled a need as Larry Brown wasn't comfortable with just Raymond- Lopez was BPA,

I think there has to be separation between 3 and 15- if they truly are equal in terms of instant impact and long range potential you obviously take the need position. I just think that scouting is so advanced you have to determine a hierarchy of prospects, if not why pay the scouts? Just go to nbadraft.net and just pick a guy.

There were tons of questions about Rudy and Brook coming out of school. You can't use hindsight to support an argument. Besides, more than talent goes into a pick, especially in the NBA. In your first scenario you have to consider marketability (Ammo had tons), ability to perform immediately (Ammo had tons) vs. huge upside (Rudy had tons).

In your second example, Lopez had tons of issues about his rebounding (go figure) and athleticism that prevented him from being a top 5 pick. Then you have to consider we just gave Mek a huge deal and those two simply cannot play together at the same time. You also had Ray coming off another mediocre year and coaches repeatedly playing him as a two guard. DJ to them was either the future or a great scoring threat off the bench. Of course, we were able to move Mek and Lopez turned out to be pretty good though he regressed a lot this year.

It just goes to show you that saying player A is better than player B doesn't hold water. You have to consider fit and need (both of which go farther than just positional value).
As far as the drart is concerned, there really isn't a difference between 3-15. You have Kyrie and Derrick as the only clearly better players in this draft. The rest are whatever seems to fit your fancy.

If they want a big they need to target Kanter and then go after a wing with the 19
If they want a wing they need to target Leonard/Jones/Hamilton and then go after Faried with the 19

It really isn't as complicated as it seems

[LiquidWayno]

I pretty much second Swedd's analysis of who we should draft this year. With Keith Benson as a second rounder. Let's make it happen.

[JGib23]

There were tons of questions about Rudy and Brook coming out of school. You can't use hindsight to support an argument. Besides, more than talent goes into a pick, especially in the NBA. In your first scenario you have to consider marketability (Ammo had tons), ability to perform immediately (Ammo had tons) vs. huge upside (Rudy had tons).

In your second example, Lopez had tons of issues about his rebounding (go figure) and athleticism that prevented him from being a top 5 pick. Then you have to consider we just gave Mek a huge deal and those two simply cannot play together at the same time. You also had Ray coming off another mediocre year and coaches repeatedly playing him as a two guard. DJ to them was either the future or a great scoring threat off the bench. Of course, we were able to move Mek and Lopez turned out to be pretty good though he regressed a lot this year.

It just goes to show you that saying player A is better than player B doesn't hold water. You have to consider fit and need (both of which go farther than just positional value).
As far as the drart is concerned, there really isn't a difference between 3-15. You have Kyrie and Derrick as the only clearly better players in this draft. The rest are whatever seems to fit your fancy.

If they want a big they need to target Kanter and then go after a wing with the 19
If they want a wing they need to target Leonard/Jones/Hamilton and then go after Faried with the 19

It really isn't as complicated as it seems

We are just going to disagree i guess.... I'm not using hindsight- those were the players that I wanted because I thought they were the best players available when we drafted. It just so happens that the in those years the Bobcats chose to draft for reasons other than talent.. Marketability is the worst reason ever to draft a player (Ammo- Dumb, Dumb, Dumb)..

We passed on Lopez 1 month before we extended Okafor and also before we brought in Diop. (We brought in Diop with the hopes of using Emeka at PF)... While DJ has been a pretty solid player, he's not as good as Lopez and having Lopez might have prevented us from making some of the mistakes that have crippled this franchise from a cap perspective.. (With Lopez, we still may have re-signed Emeka or we may have decided to let him play out the final year of his contract and see how he played, but, we almost certainly wouldn't have taken on that ridiculous Diop Contract).

My point at the end of the day is that you always draft based on the best player, you only draft based off of a need if you have the players rated equally. To me its that simple.

For the record- I would love to see the draft go down like this (assuming we dont win the lottery and Kanter doesn't drop to 9- based on who I think will be available when we pick.)
#9- Terrance Jones, Jordan Hamilton, Kawahi Leonard
#19- Tristan Thompson, Jordan Williams, Markieff Morris
#39 - Josh Selby, Malcolm Lee, Keith Benson
#39- Keith Benson

[dav7z]

The only problem with Burks is that he's probably the worst defender projected to go in the top half of the draft.

We can't be talking about the same Burks . This kid is long , quick hands , quick feet , good instint. He has a very good handle and takes care of the ball. Hes listed at a p/g s/g . He can play either position . Kid can score the ball and has size and leaping ability to take any point to the rack . And most s/g s to the rack . His jumper is good off the dribble but needs work spoting up . The kid is a scorer. With a good attitude and wants to learn.
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/alec-burks
Please explain his defencive liabilitys.

[SWedd523]

Read this link dav

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/212832/NBA_Execs_Like_Burks_Midrange_Scoring_Ability

[dav7z]

If you draft a PG who are you going to focus the development on? DJ or the other guy?
If you draft a SG who are you going to focus the development on? Hendo or the other guy?


Dante is a PF, he played PF in college and played PF/C in Portland. He only plays SF here because we have no backup.
The other guy if core material . DJ is not core with his size . And his defencive liabilitys. Though DJ is a solid back up and has some trade value . But its no way he can lead the Bobcats the next five years and us make the playoffs.

Cunninghan is a s/f according to Salis . He had beeen playing out of position in Portland . Though i think he can be effective playing either. Salis all so said S/F is his best fit . He said hes a little small at p/f But has the foot speed to guard most s/f s in the league. With his size its no way he can be effective at center ,. DJ White played center over him at the end of the season.

[dav7z]

Read this link dav

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/212832/NBA_Execs_Like_Burks_Midrange_Scoring_Ability
Different GMs different openions . This is what makes this draft so hard.

[SWedd523]

I don't think anybody has said anything good about his defense. He's a fantastic scorer inside the arc who can probably develop a usable three point shot. He won't however, be a good defender unless he tries way harder than he has up to this point (which is doubtful).



Burks has Jamal Crawford written all over him. That's not a bad thing by any means.

[dav7z]

We are just going to disagree i guess.... I'm not using hindsight- those were the players that I wanted because I thought they were the best players available when we drafted. It just so happens that the in those years the Bobcats chose to draft for reasons other than talent.. Marketability is the worst reason ever to draft a player (Ammo- Dumb, Dumb, Dumb)..

We passed on Lopez 1 month before we extended Okafor and also before we brought in Diop. (We brought in Diop with the hopes of using Emeka at PF)... While DJ has been a pretty solid player, he's not as good as Lopez and having Lopez might have prevented us from making some of the mistakes that have crippled this franchise from a cap perspective.. (With Lopez, we still may have re-signed Emeka or we may have decided to let him play out the final year of his contract and see how he played, but, we almost certainly wouldn't have taken on that ridiculous Diop Contract).

My point at the end of the day is that you always draft based on the best player, you only draft based off of a need if you have the players rated equally. To me its that simple.

For the record- I would love to see the draft go down like this (assuming we dont win the lottery and Kanter doesn't drop to 9- based on who I think will be available when we pick.)
#9- Terrance Jones, Jordan Hamilton, Kawahi Leonard
#19- Tristan Thompson, Jordan Williams, Markieff Morris
#39 - Josh Selby, Malcolm Lee, Keith Benson
#39- Keith Benson

See im not impressed much any of thease guys except Jones , I can't see any of the others any better than DJ White, or Cunningham

[dav7z]

I don't think anybody has said anything good about his defense. He's a fantastic scorer inside the arc who can probably develop a usable three point shot. He won't however, be a good defender unless he tries way harder than he has up to this point (which is doubtful).



Burks has Jamal Crawford written all over him. That's not a bad thing by any means.
Did you not read the draft link i just posted . They seem to think he will be good on defence. He does remind you of Crawford though . Never thought of that .

[SWedd523]

Did you not read the draft link i just posted . They seem to think he will be good on defence. He does remind you of Crawford though . Never thought of that .
To be honest with you, I don't really read much from NBADraft. I'd suggest you look through DraftExpress when you're looking at prospects.


However, DX says largely the same thing about him so I guess I'm in the minority, he has the POTENTIAL to be a good defender because he has the athleticism and size though he lacks the strength to fight through screens.

I just haven't seen him lock a man down in the games I've watched him. Maybe I watched him on a couple of bad nights?

[dav7z]

just got done listening to the nba today podcast. rusillo was interviewing the warriors gm and the topic of moving steph came up. basically, he played it coy but said if the right trade came along they would definitely consider it. throughout the whole interview he was stressing their need for defense and rebounding especially in the front court to help with david lee's defensive weaknesses. i think we could offer a good package if we can either a) move into a position to get kanter through some lotto luck or b) on draft night have a possibility of bismack byombo (sp) or maybe even faried

we could offer hendo, the high pick and kwame for curry and filler and see if they bite. i would do that all day. they won't want dj because he is just weak defensively as curry, not as good offensively, etc and hendo is well worth curry even though hendo did show some very good things this year.

taking it a step further, it does nothing to our cap space and a player like curry could help to steer cp3 (and hopefully by extension howard) here. cp3 and curry would be a (small) but very potent back court and with a front line of howard and thomas i am not overly concerned with penetration as long as curry can challenge the jumpers of the opposing sg. i know it is a pipe dream, but if management is serious about gunning for paul and howard this would be a first step type move to generate interest in the bobcats.

Curry could be our best move . Its no risk involved . A great start to a core . If Orlando loses to Allanta i could all so see us making a play for Howard. We could offer 2 more first JAX , Boris
Curry, Henderson, Cunninghan , TT, Howard .
It would be one nice turn around .

[JGib23]

See im not impressed much any of thease guys except Jones , I can't see any of the others any better than DJ White, or Cunningham


I like Cunningham aswell but, I don't think he has the ability to take over for Jack after he's gone. I would love to find Jacks replacement and hopefully he has the ability to play the 2 aswell.

I'm not that high on White though. I think he is the perfect 11th or 12th man on a team. I don't think he has enough scoring ability in the paint (Most of the points I remember him scoring were off 10-12 feet jumpshots). I think we desperately need someone who can score with their back to the basket... Which is why I really want Tristan Thompson to drop although I think he will go in the 14-16 range.

I agree totally with the Jamal Crawford comparison for Burks and that's one of the reasons I wanted him, I think he would provide the perfect compliment to DJ and could also serve as Hendersons primary backup...

Even though this is considered a weak draft, I think we really have a shot to add 2 impact players that can really help our team... We could have a really, really strong bench next season with not a lot of fall off from the starters at every position except Center......

[ammofan]

I would rather just sign Crawford or another scorer and draft a Jimmer or Kemba or T.Jones.

[Plowright]

Everyone seems to overlook Hamilton. Just curious why? Our team struggles to score, Hamilton does that. If Jack is dealt which he will be in the next year or two or even if hes not Hamilton will have blossomed nicely if all goes to plan. Hamilton can also play SG very easily and could back up hendo, so we could give him some more minutes there and give Dante minutes at sf. Remember this is if Dante is still here

[Chef]

Everyone seems to overlook Hamilton. Just curious why? Our team struggles to score, Hamilton does that. If Jack is dealt which he will be in the next year or two or even if hes not Hamilton will have blossomed nicely if all goes to plan. Hamilton can also play SG very easily and could back up hendo, so we could give him some more minutes there and give Dante minutes at sf. Remember this is if Dante is still here

i watched him a few times in march, not impressed. not a huge athlete but is a decent shooter. just don't see him being anything big.

[ammofan]

Everyone seems to overlook Hamilton. Just curious why? Our team struggles to score, Hamilton does that. If Jack is dealt which he will be in the next year or two or even if hes not Hamilton will have blossomed nicely if all goes to plan. Hamilton can also play SG very easily and could back up hendo, so we could give him some more minutes there and give Dante minutes at sf. Remember this is if Dante is still here

I actually really want Hamilton. He's one of my favs in this draft.

[Plowright]

Did you not read the draft link i just posted . They seem to think he will be good on defence. He does remind you of Crawford though . Never thought of that .

But Burks does need to work on some things, and not just his shooting. He has to stop ignoring the defensive end of the floor. "There's no pride in doing it yet," says a Northwest Division executive.

"He has no interest," the first Northwest scout said of Burks. "He won't go under, through, or behind (screens). He's got some issues. But we draft on talent, and he's very talented. He'll have the ball and he'll break you down. In space, he's (tough) ... great upside if he's willing to work. Something tells me (the work ethic) is not off the charts because he hasn't worked on his body at all. But the holes in his game are fixable."

figure that somes it up pretty well