Can We Make The Playoffs Next Season ? [Archive]

SJackson1

05-24-2011, 07:23 PM

I think we can !

with two first round picks to go to out current squad i think we have a really good chance of making the playoffs next season. DJ Augustin had a great season and he's just gunna get better as each season passes, Capt Jack is still going strong, Hendo is the real deal. I think we need a new centre to be honest, someone who plays 35 mins a game and can score 12/13 points and also get 9 boards.

The Prodigy

05-24-2011, 07:30 PM

I hope not. At this point, I would rather go into full rebuild mode. Meaning that we trade Jax and Boris as soon as possible. Without Jax I dont think we have a chance to make the playoffs.

But, if we DO keep Jax and Boris for the season and try to win and rebuild at the same time, we should be able to make the 8 seed. I just dont think it would be worth it to keep Jax and Boris.

However, I do think we have a really solid core group of guys, and with two solid drafts these next two years can make the playoffs fairly consistently. Especially if we can lure a big name FA.

SJackson1

05-24-2011, 07:47 PM

if we traded Capt Jack we would need someone who can score 18-20 points a game throughout the season

ammofan

05-24-2011, 08:04 PM

Trade up for either Kanter or Williams. If we do that and everyone stays healthy, we make a few trades/signings during the summer, we can make the Playoffs.

SJackson1

05-24-2011, 08:05 PM

Trade up for either Kanter or Williams. If we do that and everyone stays healthy, we make a few trades/signings during the summer, we can make the Playoffs.

thats the spirit !!

BlockParty

05-24-2011, 09:07 PM

Scottley Crue

05-24-2011, 09:16 PM

If we don't make the playoffs, we actually get to keep our own 1st round draft pick in a year that should have a pretty good draft-2012). Next year especially I'd rather be in the lottery than 7th or 8th seed unless we make some major roster moves this off season.

Details on draft pick protection

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

I'm with you on this. I'd much rather trade Jack and Boris to get cap space/young talent/draft picks as opposed to fighting for a 7 or 8 seed. I'd really like to start getting some good, young talent in here and let them start learning together next season. That usually means not making the playoffs, but with what could be a draft with a lot of talent, I don't think that's a big sacrifice. After picking up some talent in next year's draft, then I think that's the time to start thinking about making the playoffs.

BlockParty

05-24-2011, 09:28 PM

I'm with you on this. I'd much rather trade Jack and Boris to get cap space/young talent/draft picks as opposed to fighting for a 7 or 8 seed. I'd really like to start getting some good, young talent in here and let them start learning together next season. That usually means not making the playoffs, but with what could be a draft with a lot of talent, I don't think that's a big sacrifice. After picking up some talent in next year's draft, then I think that's the time to start thinking about making the playoffs.

What I forgot to mention, the following season (2013) when Chicago did get our pick, we would have Portland's 2013 pick (assuming they finish outside the worst 12 teams) so that we don't go through another draft day like last season, with no 1st round pick.

Chef

05-24-2011, 09:37 PM

get cp3 and howard or go full rebuild. get rid of jax, boris, tyrus and everyone that costs any money.

polarcat

05-24-2011, 10:35 PM

I think this team goes one of three directions prior to the season. Either trade up for Williams or Kanter, trade some combo of draft picks/Diaw/Jax for CP3, Steph Curry or some young talent that would be a franchise changer, or stand pat and draft BPA at 9, 19, and 39. I think either of the first two combos would equate to a playoff run while not compromising the "sort-of-rebuild mode". I think if we stay at our current positions, we end up with a solid starter and improve our bench, but don't make the playoffs. With the 3rd option, I think we ship out Jax and Diaw like Block, Scottley and Chef said and enjoy our lottery pick next year and hit full youth movement mode. I really hope we go with option 1 or 2.

SJackson1

05-24-2011, 10:46 PM

if we got CP3 and Howard we would be unbeatable lol

Plowright

05-25-2011, 05:26 AM

I think in the long run we should trade jax and boris this year. Keep our pick for next year and get some major talent in that draft

Absinthe

05-25-2011, 12:09 PM

No. New York, Miami, Boston, Orlando, Atlanta, Indiana, Chicago, etc. will all be playoff teams again next year.

Plowright

05-25-2011, 12:34 PM

Ok thats only 7 Absinthe, you maybe mean Philly and washington? instead of us?

Chef

05-25-2011, 01:23 PM

philly for sure. nj prob better than us too.

anton273

05-26-2011, 06:48 AM

I kinda hope we dont make playoffs next year! Reasons for being downbeat... if we can manage to draft well this year and manage to offload 1 or 2 of our bad contracts this can allow our nucleus of youngsters to play, hopefully, a full season together.

Sure this team isn't upto playoff standard but it will be more fun watching youngsters who are hungry and playing hard every game.

Looking at next years draft i think we NEED a top 8 pick because any one of the projected top 10 could become a star! I know everyone is fixated on having cp3 n howard on our team but the likely hood of this happening is similar to that of our lottery chances this year! Howard didnt want to come to us on draft day so why would he want to now!

SJackson1

05-26-2011, 07:17 PM

I think we can mix it with the top teams for sure, under Silas we went 25-29 and we beat some top class teams. With 2 first round picks to go with our current squad i think we can get into the top 8.

anton273

05-27-2011, 05:16 AM

Its possible but i think the teams already in playoffs contention are better than us!

We have to do better in our divison games.. 4-12 isnt good enough, yeah we have to play orlando and miami but a win against one of those teams would boost morale for the next few games!!

Dreaming about playoffs is all good but we need this team to pick well in the draft before we can start believing!!

SJackson1

05-27-2011, 07:29 PM

I think Paul Silas is a great coach and also a very good motivator, he did an awsome job to be honest last season and i think he will do even better this season

BlockParty

05-27-2011, 08:14 PM

I think Paul Silas is a great coach and also a very good motivator, he did an awsome job to be honest last season and i think he will do even better this season

I agree with all of the above, but...we have a real gap at Center and if we use all of our draft picks with no trades, we aren't going to find a starting center in the draft. Not to mention we might have a strike/lockout-shortened season. Maybe that will work into our favor (but being in the 2012 lottery is a big reward for having a mediocre season).

BRNC

05-27-2011, 11:14 PM

I think Paul Silas is a great coach and also a very good motivator, he did an awsome job to be honest last season and i think he will do even better this season

I agree with the "motivator" part of the equation...but Paul has never been known as an XO coach....

teej

05-27-2011, 11:31 PM

Paul has never been known as an XO coach....

Which is why Stephen draws up the plays half the time.

Fred Williamson

05-28-2011, 02:58 AM

Honestly, I don't want to because of next year's draft. I hope our front office is working on acquiring a second first round pick next year

frontpager

05-28-2011, 05:12 PM

i agree, the best solution would be to not make playofs and keep out lottery pick for next year, GMs rated the Bobcats team as having one of the worst near futures. I agree with them. We should not make playoffs, and most likely will not. Getting a top 5-7 pick next year would be a very good solution for our future. We could get Harrison Barnes, a pure scorer at that. Teams are getting better while we are not, most likely we will not make the playoffs anyway.

SJackson1

05-28-2011, 08:13 PM

i agree with planning for the future but isn't that very negative ?

frontpager

05-28-2011, 09:28 PM

it is negative i agree, but im a realist, the bucks should be better next year with bogut being healthy all year and jennings in his 3rd year. The playoff teams will continue to be good because none of them are on decline or young. Sixers will only get better because Jrue Holiday is nice and will get even better. Wizards have brighter outlook for next year, Detroit should be better, New Jersey with D-Will and Brooke will be better than us. We realistically took like a bottom 5 team next year unless we our rookies impact immediately, as well as the growth of the young'ns

docend24

05-29-2011, 07:27 PM

docend24

05-29-2011, 07:36 PM

i agree with planning for the future but isn't that very negative ?

Sometimes I even hope there will be a lockout next year and we will be protected from ourselves. It would be fitting to this organization to somehow sneaking into meaningless playoffs shooting itself in a foot in a process. We can do treadmill really well.

SJackson1

05-30-2011, 11:50 PM

its not aboyt being better than teams, look at the playoffs this year !

BRNC

05-31-2011, 01:25 PM

Which is why Stephen draws up the plays half the time.

Teej...I was not knocking Paul...I actually like him and have found great humor in going full circle back to a "motivator"...I actually like motivators better since you can hire assistant coaches for the "D" and "O"...

JayTeeBeeTee

05-31-2011, 02:16 PM

Always the optimist here, I think we make the playoffs and win a series!!!!

BIGCatBobcat

05-31-2011, 03:52 PM

You guys have to think big picture, and by big picture I mean outside your own want. I want them to be set up long term but I feel like if they don't make the playoffs next year and they trade away their only players that fringe fans know then in the grand scheme, we all lose. It would be better to make a run, draft a little higher and make the playoffs, bring in more fans and money and keep the core (front office, coaches and players) that we are forming and then let things like Boris's contract die and Jackson can carry things for a while, bring some excitement and something to talk about. I am more concerned about growing the fanbase right now than anything, even free agents. Although they go hand in hand. Winning + big names + excitement = long term success

teej

06-01-2011, 12:17 AM

Teej...I was not knocking Paul...I actually like him and have found great humor in going full circle back to a "motivator"...I actually like motivators better since you can hire assistant coaches for the "D" and "O"...

I love Paul, I think he was the perfect hire for this situation. If Hendo, DJ and/or Kwame ever become anything, it's because of Silas.

That said, I'll be more confident in this team's ability to win when Stephen takes over.

BRNC

06-01-2011, 11:05 AM

Teej...I'm not clear on the Stephen love,,,he worked with Monta and S. Curry and neither is capable of guarding me...and I'm 59...

ND22

06-01-2011, 03:26 PM

Teej...I'm not clear on the Stephen love,,,he worked with Monta and S. Curry and neither is capable of guarding me...and I'm 59...

His reputation around the league is very positive though, with his basketball IQ and positive impact on players being praised by many. He certainly seems like a a coach on the rise. He may be more offensive minded but that doesn't mean he can't bring in a coach who is.

ND22

06-01-2011, 03:27 PM

Double post. Whoops.

teej

06-01-2011, 11:11 PM

Teej...I'm not clear on the Stephen love,,,he worked with Monta and S. Curry and neither is capable of guarding me...and I'm 59...

He worked a lot with Baron back in the day, with LeBron (LeBron really likes him apparently), with Monta/Steph yes, but also Jack.

Monta and Steph aren't the types of players who can really play defense physically. Monta could be decent but he's not interested, and Steph is still young. Also, remember they weren't part of a system that rewarded defense.

BRNC

06-02-2011, 10:06 AM

SJackson1

06-02-2011, 08:59 PM

lets be positive !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BlockParty

06-02-2011, 09:41 PM

The beauty of this upcoming year, assuming 2 things:

1. We don't make any earth shattering move in the draft via trading for a higher spot and/or trading for a veteran
2. We don't make any earth shattering move in free agency (which could be minimized because of a lockout).

and assuming the fan base is patient enough to look long term, we have an opportunity to see our younger players actually get meaningful minutes (to more quickly define if we should sign them to qualifying offers or cut them) we can also dabble with Stephen getting some opportunities to be a head coach in training. Paul will certainly give him the leeway and if Oakley isn't able to coach this upcoming season, there will probably be less likelihood of worrying about what MJ may or may not think about who's running a practice, shoot-around, or pre-game talk.

As far as Stephen's limitations from a defensive approach, if he can identify his weaknesses and hire appropriately to fill in his voids, it becomes the best of both worlds. Maybe Paul will be one of his assistants in 2013-14.

teej

06-03-2011, 12:03 AM

Teej...I know the system they played in....I also know defense is a mind-set...and disagree that Monta and Curry are somehow physically deprived when compared to a guy like Rondo...and Jack has always had a defensive mind-set so (when he chooses) he plays defense...

I have doubts about S. Silas ability to teach PGs how to play defense...and I'm not sure about the "running a game" aspect6 given how the PGs with the GSW run games...

1. Rondo has 7-footer's hands. And a brain. Monta has neither, and Steph has a decent BBIQ, but he's nothing near Rondo.

2. He doesn't have to teach PG's to play defense. That can be an assistant's job (which I'll get to in a second).

As far as Stephen's limitations from a defensive approach, if he can identify his weaknesses and hire appropriately to fill in his voids, it becomes the best of both worlds. Maybe Paul will be one of his assistants in 2013-14.

This. Doc Rivers doesn't know how to teach a lick of defense. That's what Thibs and then Lawrence Frank are for. Just like Keith Smart didn't know how to teach a lick of offense, so he set Stephen in charge of that.

As long as Stephen doesn't try to teach defense (if he's actually incapable, which I'm not convinced of), it's not a problem. Ralph Lewis seems competent enough.

BRNC

06-03-2011, 12:37 AM

Teej....my point is more (concerning your point of S. Silas) working with Monta and S. Curry...so what exactly has/did he do...teach two guys to shoot that could already shoot...and neither one can actually run /direct a team...at least I can't tell that they can and I've watched both at GS...so what is it (exactly) that makes him a great coach that propels him automatically in as a head coach when his father retires?