Tyson Chandler

[CrazyCarl139]

Damn he looked good last night!

We really, really, blew that one. I think letting Chandler go for Dampier, Carroll and Najera was the biggest mistake this franchise made. (yes, that includes drafting Adam Morrison).

Dirk said he's the most positive teammate he's ever had.

[SWedd523]

No.


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[BlockParty]

Chandler was an unmotivated under-performing waste of talent here last year. Probably the best example of such in Charlotte since Julius Pepper's phantom year or Derrick Coleman's last year w/ the Hornets.

Chandler is performing well because he is in a contract year....period.

Last season, these words actually escaped his mouth in front of a reporter: "I'm not going to try anything until I feel zero pain" I'm glad GW, Felton, Capt Jack, etc never played that way.

[BRNC]

Chandler (unfortunate for us since we traded him) has a history of "huge years" when he is contract eligible...so his performance this year was no surprise...

[SWedd523]

I remember that too BP and it pissed me off so badly. If all of the NBA players sat out until they felt no pain, nobody would be left to play in the Playoffs. Pain is expected.

[Chef]

his defense was on display last night and yes we missed that but, he didn't play much while he was here. he is the primary example of contract year player. his eyes lit up when he heard he was getting traded to dallas during a contract year.

[adam187]

Still, you can't deny we really blew that trade. We knew he was in a contract year and it was very safe to assume he would perform well because of that. Could have at least held onto him until close to the trade deadline and sent him to any number of pseudo-contending teams that would have needed big man help and would have coughed up dough for it (OKC, Dallas, PDX).

[CrazyCarl139]

Exactly Adam.

Also, wouldn't we have rather had one year of Tyson in a contract year and them have the cap space instead of having to pay Matt Carroll?

Such a stupid, stupid trade.

[BlockParty]

The choice of keeping Chandler didn't just fall into the fans desires, the NBA is a business, and as a business owner, MJ was not going to pay luxury tax for a 6-8th seed in the East...it was not a possibility.

So, despite the timing, a couple of things would not have happened if they weren't planning on dumping salary-Those things included:

resigning Tyrus Thomas
Signing Shaun Livingston
Signing Kwame Brown

The 1st priority of Chandler's trade was trying to turn the dust chip into CP3 or some other all-star in a trade...it didn't work, but we tried, and for that, and the bodies we did have on our roster, I'd make the same trade again and again and again (knowing what the Cats knew at the time the trade was made). Hindsight isn't something they (MJ, Rod, LB at the time) should belabor, when making decisions, you don't have the benefit of hindsight when making the decision, so the examination should be judged on the information they had available at the time.

The reality is, Chandler is all about Chandler, and nothing else, despite how he performs on or off the court in contract years.

[spectre]

Still, you can't deny we really blew that trade. We knew he was in a contract year and it was very safe to assume he would perform well because of that. Could have at least held onto him until close to the trade deadline and sent him to any number of pseudo-contending teams that would have needed big man help and would have coughed up dough for it (OKC, Dallas, PDX).

Yup. When their owner does an interview a few weeks later laughing at the guy he traded with you know we were bent over.

We traded TC in the summer right? The LT wouldn't have come into play until the end of the next season. A smart team would have recognized that and kept him til the trade deadline.

Moves like this are why we're low on assets.

Sell low, buy high. The Bobcats Way.

[Scottley Crue]

The choice of keeping Chandler didn't just fall into the fans desires, the NBA is a business, and as a business owner, MJ was not going to pay luxury tax for a 6-8th seed in the East...it was not a possibility.

So, despite the timing, a couple of things would not have happened if they weren't planning on dumping salary-Those things included:

resigning Tyrus Thomas
Signing Shaun Livingston
Signing Kwame Brown

The 1st priority of Chandler's trade was trying to turn the dust chip into CP3 or some other all-star in a trade...it didn't work, but we tried, and for that, and the bodies we did have on our roster, I'd make the same trade again and again and again (knowing what the Cats knew at the time the trade was made). Hindsight isn't something they (MJ, Rod, LB at the time) should belabor, when making decisions, you don't have the benefit of hindsight when making the decision, so the examination should be judged on the information they had available at the time.

The reality is, Chandler is all about Chandler, and nothing else, despite how he performs on or off the court in contract years.

I'm with you 10000000000000000000000000% here. Chandler does only really show up in a contract year. Perhaps we could have gotten more for him at the trade deadline, but I have no doubt that the front office was done with his act here. I mean, he was healed and had to go to a doctor in New York who basically told him "No really, you're absolutely fine. There's no reason you shouldn't be playing." By trading him, they at minimum received the room to put towards the guys you mentioned or take a run at CP3. Considering Chandler's actions made it clear he didn't have anything for playing in Charlotte, I have no problem with them trading him like they did.

[ziggy]

Once he is past this contract year, he'll be back to the same old Tyson

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w301/bobcatsplanet/imagesqtbnANd9GcRQAw1UW_1NlOa-0nf6MPg3lESR4IXuoU_zlb3VwKIkSPke8D_pjA.jpg

[CrazyCarl139]

A bunch of bitter Bobcats fans. Overvaluing guys on our roster, then saying they aren't that good when they're gone. I bet if I made a poll, most of you would rather have Kwame over Chandler...CRAZY!

We blew the Tyson deal.

[BlockParty]

A bunch of bitter Bobcats fans. Overvaluing guys on our roster, then saying they aren't that good when they're gone. I bet if I made a poll, most of you would rather have Kwame over Chandler...CRAZY!

Not at all...I'm just being a realist and you seem to be stuck in the fantasy world of building a team without regard to the reality of a salary cap, a disenchanted, bandwagon driven fan base and over paid under achieving athletes (Chandler). Saying something would've, could've, should've been better after the fact without taking the reality of all factors into account at the time the decision was made is short sighted.

I could say I should be a millionaire from tabloid proceeds of my unsuccessful pregnancy; the reality is, I'm male and it's impossible for me become pregnant, just like it was an impossibility that Chandler would remain on our roster when given the opportunity to dump his salary AND put ourselves in the position to trade for an all-star.

MJ's bank roll is small market in comparison to some of his NBA peers, just like Charlotte is small market compared to NY, Chicago and LA. That's the reality we live in, and the reality that our decisions will be driven by.

[CrazyCarl139]

I was mostly kidding. It's so hard to display sarcasm with type...

BUT, I do think we'd be in a better position having Tyson off the books right now and not be on the hook to Carroll, Najera and even Tyrus Thomas (which someone said his signing was made possible by not having Tyson's contract). Or... like someone else said, we would have been in a better position to trade Tyson and his expiring deal at the deadline.

And you're right, hindsight is 20/20, but I hated the Chandler trade when we did it.

[adam187]

I may be wrong on these, so feel free to correct me, but I feel there are certain myths about the Chandler trade that we need to discuss:

Myth 1: Keeping Chandler results in us paying the luxury tax. This is only true if we're over the tax by the off season. We could have kept him for as long as we wanted up til the trade deadline and then worked a deal that would have put us below the luxury tax. Denver did this exactly with Melo, ending the season below the tax and not having to pay it (if I remember that correctly). At the very least, we could have traded Tyson to a team like Minnesota which desperately could use a center like him and who could've (I assume) absorbed his salary without sending anything back (maybe a random player or pick) or Cleveland/Toronto for their TPEs, both of which would have been better moves financially and team wise (Chandler plays well, we win a few games) than what happened.

Myth 2: We were swinging for the fences with the Dust Chip. I don't have anything to back up my complete disbelief in this except for how the events unfolded made it seem like we were never really in play for anything big. If you could get a star player for the Dust, why wouldn't Dallas do it? Why did we cut Damp so quick? It just never added up. It was all about money.

Myth 3: Chandler is a whiny bitch who sucks. Maybe he was that way here, but they rave about him in Dallas. Maybe the problem was here. Chandler is not the first player to have issues with our team/FO/Larry Brown/whoever. I don't know. Yes, I hated Chandler as much as the rest of you, and I'm glad he's gone, but I wish we had had a more definite plan and execution that didn't result with Dallas in the Finals and us paying Eddie and the Hammer this coming year...

[Felton for Prez]

Tyson is the perfect example of what a quality PG can bring to a team. Beyond the PG spot, if you have an offense predicated on moving the basketball thus keeping the defense moving, it allows a guy like Tyson to excel. Besides the injury issues, we didn't have that with LB so Tyson was never going to fit in here.

We just need to let him go. At the time, it made sense. Today, not so much.

[BRNC]

I was mostly kidding. It's so hard to display sarcasm with type...

Carl....it's why I always put (sarcasm or being sarcastic) if it is not obvious...and even when it's obvious....LOL

[BlockParty]

I may be wrong on these, so feel free to correct me, but I feel there are certain myths about the Chandler trade that we need to discuss:

Myth 1: Keeping Chandler results in us paying the luxury tax. This is only true if we're over the tax by the off season. We could have kept him for as long as we wanted up til the trade deadline and then worked a deal that would have put us below the luxury tax. Denver did this exactly with Melo, ending the season below the tax and not having to pay it (if I remember that correctly). At the very least, we could have traded Tyson to a team like Minnesota which desperately could use a center like him and who could've (I assume) absorbed his salary without sending anything back (maybe a random player or pick) or Cleveland/Toronto for their TPEs, both of which would have been better moves financially and team wise (Chandler plays well, we win a few games) than what happened.


Waiting until the end of the season is the deadline for the luxury tax, but you just can't waive players (and eat their contract) to get under tax, it still counts against the cap figures and luxury tax formula. The difference between Melo's situation and Chandler's is Melo was/is an all-star, and had a history of being a top scorer in the league for years. Chandler was not an all-star and had a history of being hurt more often than not. Yes, in hindsight, the way Chandler played, he would've brought a bigger reward at the trade deadline, but history showed Chandler would more likely be hurt or unproductive at the mid-point of the season. Remember during our playoff stretch at the end of the 09-10 season, a 'healthy' Chandler couldn't even earn the starting position over the significantly older Theo Ratliff (who was filling out his AARP application in San Antonio when Coach Pop essentially gifted Theo to the Bobcats as a favor to Ratliff and LB). If the seasons repeated themselves we would've found ourselves shopping Chandler's $13M contract...what team would take that if he was injured while giving back the Bobcats significant enough cap relief to get us under the cap?


I may be wrong on these, so feel free to correct me, but I feel there are certain myths about the Chandler trade that we need to discuss:

Myth 2: We were swinging for the fences with the Dust Chip. I don't have anything to back up my complete disbelief in this except for how the events unfolded made it seem like we were never really in play for anything big. If you could get a star player for the Dust, why wouldn't Dallas do it? Why did we cut Damp so quick? It just never added up. It was all about money.

The theory behind why Dallas wasn't successful in dealing the dust chip related to New Orleans not wanting to trade CP3 to a western conference team that would stroll in to the Big Easy twice a year to add insult to injury. As far as why Damp was cut when he was cut, instead of waiting for the last minute is simple: INJURY. Damp's unique contract could be cancelled prior to the end of training camp, UNLESS he was injured. If Damp was injured, we would have to eat his contract and have it count towards the Salary Cap (unless he got healthy enough by the trade deadline and we found a team dumb enough to take him at $13M). He was cut on Sept 14th, most of the Bobcat players had already been playing informal games at the CableBox in preparation for training camp. The Cats had exhausted their leads to move him for an All-star and sat down with Damp to lay all their cards on the table (offering him significantly less than the $13M he would be paid if his contract wasn't cancelled).



I may be wrong on these, so feel free to correct me, but I feel there are certain myths about the Chandler trade that we need to discuss:

Myth 3: Chandler is a whiny bitch who sucks. Maybe he was that way here, but they rave about him in Dallas. Maybe the problem was here. Chandler is not the first player to have issues with our team/FO/Larry Brown/whoever. I don't know. Yes, I hated Chandler as much as the rest of you, and I'm glad he's gone, but I wish we had had a more definite plan and execution that didn't result with Dallas in the Finals and us paying Eddie and the Hammer this coming year...

I don't have any disagreement here and appreciate the passion from all who have commented on this thread. However, the Cats were making decisions last summer as the beginning of having a coach other than Larry Brown (not implying MJ knew Larry wouldn't last throughout the season, but I think everyone felt strongly that it would probably be Larry's last season in Charlotte. That started by not resigning Felton, by dumping Chandler and by making steps to correct so of the personnel mistakes we had made in the past.

[BRNC]

block...and correcting the course of a franchise (like the Titanic) is no easy task...fraught with unseen dangers...

It is easy for anyone to find pretty much any top BB GM/decision maker and they've committed some bone-headed trade/draft/whatever at some point...and it is always easy (as MJ found out) to spend someone else's money for a 7-8 seeded team...

The Chandler trade was made for savings...so OK MJ wanted to save money...his choice...but no one should have been surprised with Chandler having a good (contract) year...and no one should be surprised when Cuban over-pays him...but the last thing our franchise should ever do is make a trade with the Mavs for one of their over-priced centers...

[BlockParty]

but the last thing our franchise should ever do is make a trade with the Mavs for one of their over-priced centers...

...again

We did it with Chandler-Ajinca/Damp-Carroll-Najera, and Diop/Carroll-Hollins. The irony of Diop is we are the team that pushed Diop's number up during his summer of free-agency because LB was so in love with him, and then 5 months later we foolishly traded for Diop (and his accelerating contract) for Carroll (and his overpaid, but declining contract) and an expiring contract in Hollins.

[BRNC]

block...yep kinda gives you a sick feeling in your stomach knowing we had to take-our-medicine because of what we did...Diop...what a jock...but now we have have to resist the other two...LOL

[ND22]

I'm not upset he was traded when in the offseason. Playing for us, he was always "hurt," and when healthy Theo Ratliff and Nazr got the nod over him later in the year. Then he goes to Dallas, a contender, and suddenly he's healthy all year.

Basically, it amounts to Chandler not having the same passion to play for us as he does for Dallas, and two, he wasn't a good fit here. He has little individual post game and can only score off a lobs. Yes his defense is strong, but in the Bobcats defense, trading him before the year started made sense, because if for some chance he gets injured around the trade deadline, we were screwed.

[Chef]

The choice of keeping Chandler didn't just fall into the fans desires, the NBA is a business, and as a business owner, MJ was not going to pay luxury tax for a 6-8th seed in the East...it was not a possibility.

So, despite the timing, a couple of things would not have happened if they weren't planning on dumping salary-Those things included:

resigning Tyrus Thomas
Signing Shaun Livingston
Signing Kwame Brown

The 1st priority of Chandler's trade was trying to turn the dust chip into CP3 or some other all-star in a trade...it didn't work, but we tried, and for that, and the bodies we did have on our roster, I'd make the same trade again and again and again (knowing what the Cats knew at the time the trade was made). Hindsight isn't something they (MJ, Rod, LB at the time) should belabor, when making decisions, you don't have the benefit of hindsight when making the decision, so the examination should be judged on the information they had available at the time.

The reality is, Chandler is all about Chandler, and nothing else, despite how he performs on or off the court in contract years.

i am not sure resigning tyrus to that awful contract is not a bigger mistake. yes, lets pay him like david west when he is only about as half as productive.

[BlockParty]

i am not sure resigning tyrus to that awful contract is not a bigger mistake. yes, lets pay him like david west when he is only about as half as productive.

No argument, especially after you consider the added cost in potential of a 2012 (or later) draft pick.

[Fred Williamson]

Fuck Tyson Chandler. That is all I have to say

[Dcarnys]

I hate that Im rooting for Dallas in the finals, I love Kidd and Dirk and thats why probably (and its anti-Miami), but Chandler DOES NOT deserve a ring. He lays down in Charlotte and all of the sudden he becomes superman in Dallas??!?!?!?! Screw that fair weatherd dick. YOu think his toe would be hurting him last year if that almost trade that sent him to Oklahoma City went through??

[ND22]

I hate that Im rooting for Dallas in the finals, I love Kidd and Dirk and thats why probably (and its anti-Miami), but Chandler DOES NOT deserve a ring. He lays down in Charlotte and all of the sudden he becomes superman in Dallas??!?!?!?! Screw that fair weatherd dick. YOu think his toe would be hurting him last year if that almost trade that sent him to Oklahoma City went through??

This is how I feel every time I see him on TV.

[BIGCatBobcat]

Tyson Chandler is in a stinkin contract year. Dallas can afford to pay him whatever he's getting this year, we cannot. He'd be the highest paid player on the Bobcats this year, higher than Jack and MC combined. Is he worth Jack plus MC? $12.750 million way too much for that dude and he's useless unless he thinks he's the man and is about to win a championship.

[kickazzz2000]

Tyson Chandler is in a stinkin contract year. Dallas can afford to pay him whatever he's getting this year, we cannot. He'd be the highest paid player on the Bobcats this year, higher than Jack and MC combined. Is he worth Jack plus MC? $12.750 million way too much for that dude and he's useless unless he thinks he's the man and is about to win a championship.

He's fucking terrible thus far tonight.

[Twan's Kin]

Do you think the Chandler trade with Dallas was better, Or should we have sent Chandler to Toronto for Jose Calderon?

[BIGCatBobcat]

Do you think the Chandler trade with Dallas was better, Or should we have sent Chandler to Toronto for Jose Calderon?

chuck calderon. I don't like his game at all. The whole thing was to get low in the salary dept. there was no way to take on that salary, in any form, calderon, chandler, dampier, you name it, no way to keep pace for the future with one of those on the payroll.

[frontpager]

we made the right trade, he only had 1 year left anyway and we werent winning a championship with him. He looks a lot better on the mavs because of all the tools around him. He was big for their defense but this is his first good year since back when CP3 was in his second year. Dude is inconsistent from year to year and his stock was low because of this. We received salary cap relief immediately which will help us in the future (hopefully). Getting Calderon would have stunted the growth of DJ and he is better overall PG than Calderon.

[ziggy]

F*** You Tyson Chandler!!!!


Just needed to get that off my chest... Carry on.

[GoBobs]

We should have kept chandler no doubt. We could have moved him for something at the deadline that was worth more then two bad contracts like Carroll and Eduardo. Seriously how do you trade an expiring for two multi year bad contracts.

[dnbman]

It is what it is. He seemed injured the majority of the time he was here. Who knew? Glad for him, as he worked really hard for the Mavs.

[BlockParty]

The notion that Chandler would've been worth more than a box of rocks for the Bobcats at the trade deadline is amusing. Who would have taken on his contract if he was injured or seemingly unmotivated after playing half a season for the Bobcats? that is exactly what he was for the Bobcats the prior season. Assuming he would've been healthy and marketable (for a marginal playoff/lottery team) is a big stretch.

In retrospect we can look back and second guess how he played for a championship caliber roster with a team that didn't expect anything out of him on offense, not to mention they had a starting caliber backup that helped minimize the impact when Chandler would get in early foul trouble, which was often.

Did you see Cuban's press conference after last night's game when they asked about resigning Chandler this summer, even loud mouth Mark Cuban steered away from that question.

[GoBobs]

Trust me they are resigning him. He defends the rim which is huge. The Mavs had chandler to put on Bosh. If the heat had chandler to put on dirk they would have won. Chandler did great on Dirk for us.

The reason to keep him was he was in a contract year. He needed to play well to get paid and he did.

[Chef]

he is also the type of player who needs to know he isn't close to the alpha or beta? dog. he knows what his role is on the mavs and he does exactly what they need. on the bobcats he wasn't sure so he doesn't know how to play on the team.

[BlockParty]

Chandler did great on Dirk for us.


Chandler was hurt in one of the two games vs Dallas during his tenure:

The game he did play http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AmA73znT82JjhKCP2xeFh_ONPKB4?gid=200 9121206

Chandler played 35 minutes out of a possible 53 minutes (OT game), had 11 points and 6 rebounds...Dirk had 36 points, 6 rebounds, oh and Dampier had 14 pts and 18 rebounds. Ironically, that was probably one of Chandler's better games for the Bobcats, but certainly not 'great'.

[D.J.2Hendo]

Congrats to Dirk Nowitzki and the Dallas Mavericks, I still don't like them at all but they deserve all the credit! It sucks we gave Tyson Chandler away to them for free and he ended up being such a Huge key to their success.