Bobcats Off Season Trade Rumors

[BlockParty]

With Cho in our 'war room' and a long history of people involved in a lot of deals, what are your thoughts on how our 2011 draft day pans out?

[ammofan]

I think at least 1 happens but I mean there is really no way to judge. At least 1 deal for sure tho. It will be interesting to hear the rumors that may come out in the next week.

[SWedd523]

about tree fiddy

[ohara831]

My best guess is we pick at #9, and trade someone for an additional pick in the late lottery. Who we pick at #9 may dictate who in fact is traded.

[D.J.2Hendo]

I'd be willing to bet at least 1.

[teej]

I'll bet we use our salary cap to take on someone's contract in order to move up or get a better/future pick. Maybe something like #39 and Diaw for a top 10 and longer contract?

[Plowright]

about tree fiddy

Lol you know what that loch ness monster said? he said i want my tree fiddy! love south park (i hope thats where you got it from)

[teej]

I think swedd is using Mr. Cho as a reason to break out the azns accent. Which I wholeheartedly approve of, by the way.

[polarcat]

I think we make a few deals this draft night. I think one of the trades will be to acquire a young starter or another pick before our #19. I think the other trade involves us dealing our #19, #39 or combo of both to acquire a lottery pick in 2012 from a team that will be there (Minny, Washington, Cleveland). I think Cho's specific way of building up OKC from scrap when they were the Sonics and the infamous Wallace deal is the main reason he was brought into this small market, to repeat his previous ways. Cho's style means we will eventually be on the right path, even if we have to sacrifice immediate gains in 2011, for long-term success (ie -giving up a 1st rounder this year for a higher 1st rounder in a deeper draft next year). I saw this article on RealGM from this morning and I looooove his philosophy and approach even more.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/214135/Cho_Says_Hes_A_Big_Pronent_Of_Accumulating_Assets


"One of the worst things you can do in this league is be a middle-of-the-road team - in the playoffs one year, out the next,"
and

"One of the tough things about a middle-of-the-road team is you never get really good draft picks. That makes it hard to have sustained success. Sometimes you have to take a step back to take two steps forward.

[spectre]

Cho will make Bobcats better with his mind (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/06/15/2379462/cho-will-make-bobcats-better-with.html)


They have already turned down at least one proposed trade in which they would package their No.9 and No.19 picks together for a top-5 pick because they don't want to put all their eggs into one basketball player.

Wonder which team it was? Good idea or no?

[Proudiddy]

Wow. Hard to say... If it was top 3 then I would've done it for Kanter, if not turning it down was the right move.

[Plowright]

Happy we didnt jump at that, thinking earlier in the draft is better. Everyone knows this draft has few stars but is very deep. Thats exactly why we should not trade up, im happy with our two picks

[dnbman]

Cho will make Bobcats better with his mind (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/06/15/2379462/cho-will-make-bobcats-better-with.html)



Wonder which team it was? Good idea or no?


Given the perceived drop off in talent, I have no doubt it was the 4th or 5th pick, if not the 5th pick. (Otherwise, why not just say "top 3" or "top 4" pick?)

If that's the case, I feel pretty good about keeping the picks.

[The Prodigy]

Im glad they didnt pulll the trigger. The only top 5 talent that would be worth it IMO is Kanter, and it was likely the 4th or 5th pick that was being offered.

I think we can land two good players with our picks, and would like to keep them.

Its excellent to know that we are looking at making deals that would help the team though.

[Scottley Crue]

Makes me wonder if it was the Jazz. It'd give us the #3 pick, and the Jazz #9, #12 and #19. I do like Kanter, but I don't know if he's worth putting all our eggs in his basket, as the article says. You can get very solid rotation players and, as Cho likes to put it, more assets by keeping those picks and working with them than throwing it all in Kanter. I think he'll be good, I'm just not sure I'd give up flexibility to use draft picks as trading chips for just him.

[spectre]

I just have to question what the odds really are that we get an impact player at 19. In all our non-lottery picks we've hit on 1...Jared Dudley.

IMO the FO is going way too "safe". Going that route is one of the reasons Chris Paul is with NOLA right now.

Don't know any of these guys other than what's been printed over the last month or so. Maybe what they're thinking is right. Guess we'll see.

I posted this on RGM's trade board and most think it was the Raptors. Makes sense to me as well.

[fallen xxi]

If we could pull together a deal to get top 5 this year and a 1st rounder next year by throwing in 32 or a player, that would be the only way I'd say pull the trigger on a deal like that, but as of right now there's no reason to put all the eggs in one basket as was said before. I'd say at 19 we need either a usable Center (if there is one) or a 3 point shooter.

[ammofan]

Hmm......a few weeks ago I wouldn't have done it. BUT, now I am really just not sure about who we should draft. If we could trade up for a guy like Kyrie or Williams I may have to do it. I love guys we can get at our current picks like Klay Thompson/Alec Burks/Kawhi Leonard/Nikola Vucevic/etc...but Im not set it stone with anyone. If the team ends up deciding that Kyrie or Williams is available and we think they could change the franchise, we should make the trade.
Now for a guy like Brandon Knight...I just dont know. I like Kemba more than Knight and Kemba may be available at 9.
Kanter? I dont know and I may be crazy but I think Vucevic will be a better pro. And he will be available at 19.

This draft is so darn confusing....

[SWedd523]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cn7xfBpZ3M

[polarcat]

I wonder if it is 4 and say the draft goes - Irving, Williams, Knight.... with Kanter sitting at 4, do you do it then? I think Cleveland would be silly to pass up Irving and Kanter for their future, but what if they'd rather have assets. Tough call with quality over quantity and I agree fully with Spectre's take about the quality at 19. Do you gamble that someone falls to us at 9 like Vesely, Valucianas or Leonard. This draft is just such a crap shoot that if it's Kanter for #9 and #19, I'd have to consider it. Plus, there's such confusion if we go big at 9, we have to come back with a wing at 19 and will a starter be there. At the same time, if we go SG or SF at #9, will there be a big at 19? So hard to see this draft with 20/20 vision....lol

[SWedd523]

I'd trade DJ and #19 to move up into the top 5 to draft Knight. (end up with Knight/Hendo/Leonard/Tyrus/Vucevic for the future)

I'd trade Hendo and #19 to move up and get Kanter. (end up with DJ/Burks/Hamilton/Tyrus/Kanter for the future)

[ohara831]

Chad Ford has Kanter at #6 now. If we could trade #9 and #19 for Kanter, I think I'd do it.

[ohara831]

I'd trade DJ and #19 to move up into the top 5 to draft Knight. (end up with Knight/Hendo/Leonard/Tyrus/Vucevic for the future)

I'd trade Hendo and #19 to move up and get Kanter. (end up with DJ/Burks/Hamilton/Tyrus/Kanter for the future)

I like both your options better!

[Plowright]

It would be a gamble, putting our eggs into one basket for a player who hasn't played in however long. (I do rate Kanter though!) It is just a risk thats all. I think i would prefer to keep the picks unless it was for a sure thing. If someone rang me saying do 9 and 19 for a top 5 pick i would say ring back on draft night and we will see who is available at your pick, am i not wrong?

[Chef]

I like both your options better!

me too. the reason i like staying for now is that options and trades will open up closer to the draft if not draft night. better to keep our options open. also, with this we just set the market for the 4 and 5 picks and maybe as high as 3. we are saying 9 and 19 aren't worth 4 or 5.

[GoBobs]

I could go either way on this. Maybe there is somebody we like we think will be around at the spots where we are already picking.

[Woody]

Apparently Cle is 50/50 on Williams or Kyrie. If they end up taking Williams at 1 I'm all for packaging 9 and 19 for 2 and grab Kyrie then trade DJ for another first round pick.

[adam187]

I'd trade DJ and #19 to move up into the top 5 to draft Knight. (end up with Knight/Hendo/Leonard/Tyrus/Vucevic for the future)

I'd trade Hendo and #19 to move up and get Kanter. (end up with DJ/Burks/Hamilton/Tyrus/Kanter for the future)

With what pick are you taking Hamilton for your second scenario? If we give up the 19th, we use the new pick on Kanter, and #9 on Burks, how do we pick up Hamilton? Do you see him falling to the second round?

[SWedd523]

With what pick are you taking Hamilton for your second scenario? If we give up the 19th, we use the new pick on Kanter, and #9 on Burks, how do we pick up Hamilton? Do you see him falling to the second round?
My fault, I got ahead of myself. On both actually


In the first scenario, we'd have Knight/Hendo/Leonard/Tyrus/?
In the second one, we'd have DJ/Burks/?/Tyrus/Kanter

[ND22]

I'm glad we didn't make the move, this draft is built on depth not star power. #9 and #19 could give us some good basketball players.

[TattoodCats4life]

Glad we stood pat...I'd much rather us trade Diaw for a mid first (13-17), or even package someone else as long as it lowers salary and/or gives us trade exception...

[GOBOBCATS24]

I know that it is a different year with a lot of different players, but the last time we had 1st rounders to package and an offer to move up we stood pat and didn't get Chris Paul.

[Dcarnys]

I'll pass too, not enough star power in the top 5 this year. Ill take depth anyday.

[Marvel]

Hoping Bismack falls to us at 9 and at 19 we go with either: Honeycutt, Malcolm Lee, Tobias.

Or, Marcus at 9, Vucevic, Markieff at 19. Yes that's right both twins. You mad.

So, yeah i'm happy with keeping our 9 and 19th.

[ND22]

Its possible we trade away a vet, Diaw and Jax come to mind. If not, we stand pat and draft #9 and #19. If we already turned down a chance to move into the top 5, I doubt we do it at all unless it means we fall into the top 1 or 2.

[D.J.2Hendo]

I'd trade DJ and #19 to move up into the top 5 to draft Knight. (end up with Knight/Hendo/Leonard/Tyrus/Vucevic for the future)

Eww, Knight is a project, you willing to rely on Livingston as the starter for a few years?:confused:

If it's Top 3 then do it, if not no thanks!

[Jennings]

I'm glad as well. If we can't get into the first or second pick, then with the depth in this draft, I don't think it's worth it. I'm very excited for next week though!

[spectre]

Aren't the odds better for a top 3 prospect to slide to 5th vs 9th?

I've always said quality > quantity. It'll be interesting to see if we regret not doing this as much as we do not trading 5 & 13 for 3 (or 4) back in 2005.

[Chef]

Aren't the odds better for a top 3 prospect to slide to 5th vs 9th?

I've always said quality > quantity. It'll be interesting to see if we regret not doing this as much as we do not trading 5 & 13 for 3 (or 4) back in 2005.

yes, totally agree, but if it isn't kanter or knight sliding no harm done. plus, i think neither slide to 5.

[Hormel]

I'm actually wondering if there will be a player at #9 that a team a few picks below us fall in love with and want to jump up. I wouldn't mind dumping some salary with this draft

[Lextron]

With Cho in the mix now a bundling package doesn't seem like his style. Regardless I see us nabbing all of our picks in the pre set places and building a great crew of depth and making some plunges in to FA next year.

thanks for the link though - very interesting. I would for one put all my eggs in the CP3 basket!!

[Hormel]

With Cho in the mix now a bundling package doesn't seem like his style. Regardless I see us nabbing all of our picks in the pre set places and building a great crew of depth and making some plunges in to FA next year.

thanks for the link though - very interesting. I would for one put all my eggs in the CP3 basket!!
I hate to say it, but I'd be happier with a horriable season next year, I fall under the Mark Cuban style of thinking, if were going to be bad, I want to be BAD, I hate this being on the bottom of the playoff picture, stuck in the middle situation for any of my teams in any sport. I'd be happy to just dump off salary where we can , and start rebuilding, esp now that we have Cho.

[Lextron]

I hate to say it, but I'd be happier with a horriable season next year, I fall under the Mark Cuban style of thinking, if were going to be bad, I want to be BAD, I hate this being on the bottom of the playoff picture, stuck in the middle situation for any of my teams in any sport. I'd be happy to just dump off salary where we can , and start rebuilding, esp now that we have Cho.

agreed. 10 char

[SWedd523]

I've always said quality > quantity. It'll be interesting to see if we regret not doing this as much as we do not trading 5 & 13 for 3 (or 4) back in 2005.

Not me. I'd much rather have two solid prospects (RayMay) than one great one (CP3). Oh wait............


In all fairness though, most people didn't see much of a difference between Ray and the other two in that draft so I can understand their thinking. Can't help some guys exceeding their expectations and other not meeting them.

[spectre]

Not me. I'd much rather have two solid prospects (RayMay) than one great one (CP3). Oh wait............


In all fairness though, most people didn't see much of a difference between Ray and the other two in that draft so I can understand their thinking. Can't help some guys exceeding their expectations and other not meeting them.

Hey, I was with Bernie. At the time we had 2 guys we could possibly build around (Crash/Mek) and we needed bodies that could contribute. I didn't see the drop off either. If only we had a John Stockton to come in and tell us which to draft.

Thing with me is I try and learn from my mistakes. Very seldom does a quantity win out when you're making that kind of decision.

[dav7z]

Hey, I was with Bernie. At the time we had 2 guys we could possibly build around (Crash/Mek) and we needed bodies that could contribute. I didn't see the drop off either. If only we had a John Stockton to come in and tell us which to draft.

Thing with me is I try and learn from my mistakes. Very seldom does a quantity win out when you're making that kind of decision.
At the time i loved the Felton and May picks.
Ziggy even made tee shirts Felton >> Paul I still have that shirt but don't ware it at all.

[Proudiddy]

http://www.iamagm.com/news/2011/06/16/espns.chad.ford.jazz.looking.trade.open.moving.pau l.millsap.and.devin.harris


vlad (pdx)
Do you see any draft night trades happening??

Chad Ford
I think there will be a bunch. Teams are telling me that trade talk really started picking up on Tuesday. Cavs are looking at potential deals using the No. 4 pick and either Baron Davis or Ramon Sessions. Jazz looking for deals. Would be open to discussing Paul Milsap or Devin Harris. Wizards looking to add talent around John Wall. Pistons are being active. Rockets have been very aggressive (as they often are). Bucks have made draft day trades past 2 years and are being aggressive again.


Every name listed in there other than Milsap has been linked to us before in trades over the last year... Who wants to bet we make a deal on draft night? I'm leaning towards yes...

Oh, and I'm also wondering after reading this if the Cavs were the team offering us the "top 5 pick" that we turned down?

[ammofan]

I bet we were offered the #4 and Baron Davis for #9/19 and Diaw.

I would have to think really hard about dealing 9 for Millsap or Harris tho. Especially Millsap if we could dump Diaw.

[Proudiddy]

Yeah, when I saw Harris and Milsap being mentioned it definitely intrigued me to the possibilities there... I love Milsap's game, but then I thought of TT, DJ White, Diaw, etc. and unless we move one of our bigs who already gets a good chunk of minutes, I don't see it happening. But, those two could defnitely help us out either way.

[Demon DeaCat]

I don't think anyone thought Felton was as good as CP, certainly not anyone who had regularly watched them play in college. But, for a young franchise, taking two really good young players as Felton and May were, probably did make more sense than consolidating them into one guy. May was the best PF in college that year and Felton projected to be, and is a solid starting pg. Can't fault the logic at the time, but it obviously hurts now that we know how it played out. I don't think there's much of a lesson to be learned here though. There's no CP caliber player at #4 this year. I don't think there's any scenario where Irving, Williams and Kanter don't go in the top 3. If one of them slides unexpectedly on draft night, maybe we get on the phone and try to deal, but otherwise it doesn't seem worth it to trade up.

[Black]

As has already been said, if we could jump into the top three, it would be worth it. Fourth or fifth pick, not so much.

[Chef]

I bet we were offered the #4 and Baron Davis for #9/19 and Diaw.

I would have to think really hard about dealing 9 for Millsap or Harris tho. Especially Millsap if we could dump Diaw.

no to the first too much money for baron. no to milsap too much money for a non-alpha dog. and harris isn't cp3 so no until i see cp3 ink a new deal.

[teej]

What about a counter-offer to Cleveland of DJ, Najera and #19 for Ramon and #4?

[Chef]

What about a counter-offer to Cleveland of DJ, Najera and #19 for Ramon and #4?

absolutely, but they don't do it.

[TattoodCats4life]

I think if we did something with cleveland it'd be something where we bring back Davis, which I'm not 100% opposed to (he'll be one hell of a trade chip when he's an expiring, which if I'm correct I think is the 12-13 season, so really he'd only be fully on our payroll for 1 year)...but they have to take some of our junk for their junk...like Diop, Najera, maybe carroll (just due to his contract not that he's not a player I want to keep).

[D.J.2Hendo]

Millsap is tempting but if we're going to do this right we need to go all the way young!

[D.J.2Hendo]

mikecranston1 Mike Cranston
#Bobcats coach Paul Silas says not a lot of trade discussions as of late. Seems as if he wants to keep 9 and 19.

mikecranston1 Mike Cranston
Silas: "like the position we're in, getting two pretty good players." Moving up for 1 pick unless getting star "doesn't make a lot of sense"

mikecranston1 Mike Cranston
And Silas acknowledged this draft is not one where you're going to get a star.

mikecranston1 Mike Cranston
Silas believes he can get 2 players at 9 and 19 that will play some as rookies, then be capable of getting into rotation by 2nd year.

[teej]

Silas also said GW wasn't going anywhere...

[TattoodCats4life]

There are stories about the Wolves wanting 9+19+the portland 2012 pick plus Jax and filler for 2 plus flynn some unknown center and someone else (its on bleacher report). I honestly see us doing something like that but I think if we did that we'd go for their #20 and maybe a second rounder next year...what do you guys think about that? From what I get we are definitely playing hardball (probably a product of Cho), which I really like. We've been on the bad end of a few too many bad deals of late.

[Chef]

There are stories about the Wolves wanting 9+19+the portland 2012 pick plus Jax and filler for 2 plus flynn some unknown center and someone else (its on bleacher report). I honestly see us doing something like that but I think if we did that we'd go for their #20 and maybe a second rounder next year...what do you guys think about that? From what I get we are definitely playing hardball (probably a product of Cho), which I really like. We've been on the bad end of a few too many bad deals of late.

i for one think flynn is not very good. maybe not as bad as he is minny but nearly as good as his draft time jump because of his big east tournament. i would not include the portland pick. the 2012 draft is shaping up to be a party we don't want to miss. plus, with the turmoil in portland management, they could very well underwhelm next year.

[ohara831]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/06/17/2384994/picks-9-and-19-may-be-more-than.html

Maybe no moves.

[ammofan]

i for one think flynn is not very good. maybe not as bad as he is minny but nearly as good as his draft time jump because of his big east tournament. i would not include the portland pick. the 2012 draft is shaping up to be a party we don't want to miss. plus, with the turmoil in portland management, they could very well underwhelm next year.

Flynn actually is pretty decent. I have actually watched quite a few MIN games(Yeah I know weird...) and they really haven't given the guy much of a shot. Plus he's been hurt. But he's healthy now and ready to go and he was in the last quarter of the year. The other 2 mentioned in the article are Martell Webster and Nikola Pekovic. Pek is a big defensive center going into his 2nd year I believe...has potential to be a good player IMO. Silas would definitely help him. Webster is a vet I guess you could say now...good shooter. He could start at 2-3 if needed.

My problem is giving up 3 picks. I would not give up the POR pick but I would consider doing 9-19 for 2 especially if there's a chance Kyrie is available.

[Plowright]

Im only going to give up 3 1st rounders for a star. the player at 2 is not a locked star

[fallen xxi]

So why not make it a draft day trade? If Cleveland picks Williams at 1 does Minny even want Kyrie with Rubio coming in? I mean that pick would be a bit of a headscratcher in Minnesota considering what they went through to get Rubio there. So if Cleveland doesn't pick Kyrie, pull the trigger and honestly do whatever it takes. I'm willing to give up that 2012 pick for Kyrie especially considering that there's a chance we could reload and stack up more picks in 2012. If we did do the trade and pick Kyrie we'd have DJ, Flynn, and Kyrie and at least one of them has to be traded.

[fallen xxi]

What about a counter-offer to Cleveland of DJ, Najera and #19 for Ramon and #4?

Byron Scott seems very high on Sessions..I don't see them trading him.

[TheBeagle]

Millsap is tempting but if we're going to do this right we need to go all the way young! Yes. Unless a star is involved, and Millsap is, while a solid 4, no star. And because it would be a fleecing, I'd do teej's deal.

[D.J.2Hendo]

Silas also said GW wasn't going anywhere...

Then the next day...

[dnbman]

Silas also said GW wasn't going anywhere...

Barring a guy openly disrupting the team, I think every GM has to say that he's content with what he has. For one, you don't want to make your players fill unwanted. Second, you want to at least pretend your assets are more valuable to you than the other guy's. I think it's rare that a team (not to be confused with a source) openly admits to wanting to trade picks or players.

[SWedd523]

Changed thread title.



If you find any news relating to rumored deals involving the Cats, post them here. As they gain steam we can break them out into their own thread

[ammofan]

Changed thread title.



If you find any news relating to rumored deals involving the Cats, post them here. As they gain steam we can break them out into their own thread


Steve is goin HAM on these threads.

[Hormel]

What I want to happen: Sell off some of these draft picks for either future draft picks, or package our draft picks with bad contracts to trade out of this draft and clear some cap

What will happen: we will draft where we are now, and no activity

[ohara831]

Word is NY Knicks want Biyombo, but he will be gone by #17. GSW looking hard at him at #11 so NY would have to trade up. Would you consider trading #9 for their #17 and Landry Fields or perhaps #17 and next years 1st, lottery protected (which wont matter as they will likely be a 6, 7 or 8 seed.) And besides Melo and Amare, Fields is the only player on the Knicks I think is worth anything.

[ammofan]

Word is NY Knicks want Biyombo, but he will be gone by #17. GSW looking hard at him at #11 so NY would have to trade up. Would you consider trading #9 for their #17 and Landry Fields or perhaps #17 and next years 1st, lottery protected (which wont matter as they will likely be a 6, 7 or 8 seed.) And besides Melo and Amare, Fields is the only player on the Knicks I think is worth anything.

I would probably do that to be honest. Fields is better or equal to anyone we can get at 9 right now. Plus we would still have 2 other picks to grab a C and SF. If we came out of the draft with Landry Fields, Nikola Vucevic and Jordan Hamilton it would be CRAZY

[Plowright]

What about DJ White for Fields and Toney Dougless. Gives us a 3rd pg/sg in dougless who can stretch the floor and fill in for Sliv if his knee plays up. Sure we lose white, but i think if we resign Dante then having 3pf (TT and diaw) will do us fine for depth. Also we throw in the 9 and they throw in their first rounder next year?

[ammofan]

What about DJ White for Fields and Toney Dougless. Gives us a 3rd pg/sg in dougless who can stretch the floor and fill in for Sliv if his knee plays up. Sure we lose white, but i think if we resign Dante then having 3pf (TT and diaw) will do us fine for depth. Also we throw in the 9 and they throw in their first rounder next year?

LOL.....1st of all, we would obviously have to swap picks. 2nd of all...Landry Fields was on the all rookie 1st team so it's not like he's a guy we can just acquire easily with DJ White.

[Weezy21]

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/5901402

Okay bear with me on this...

Bobcats trade: Diaw, Tyrus, 19th pick
Bobcats get: Millsap, Posey, 15th pick

We do this because Tyrus's contract sucks, plus Millsap is an upgrade...we also get a higher pick...Posey is an expiring so dont freak out haha...and this is a process, so saying "atleast Diaw will be productive" isn't too big of an argument...our PF rotation will be Millsap and DJ White plus if we draft one...not too shabby

Jazz trade: Millsap
Jazz get: Diaw & 19th pick

They coveted Diaw last year...hopefully that wasn't all Sloan's thinking....but this allows them to draft Kanter to play behind Diaw for a year at PF and gives them an extra pick, totaling THREE first rounders

Pacers trade: 15th pick & Posey
Pacers get: Tyrus

They have been searching for a PF for a couple years now...they get to move a deadweight player and a midrange pick for a player who can come in and make an instant impact! A combo of Tyrus and Hansbrough would be a very nice compliment along side of Hibbert at center...I could def. see the Pacers doing this

What do yall think??

[ohara831]

^^^^ LOL!!! I think you are going to have a hard time getting people here to get naked with you! :-)

Have to do some pondering on that trade idea. I see what you are thinking tho.

[Weezy21]

^^^^ LOL!!! I think you are going to have a hard time getting people here to get naked with you! :-)

hahah FIXED!...that could have been bad

[Plowright]

LOL.....1st of all, we would obviously have to swap picks. 2nd of all...Landry Fields was on the all rookie 1st team so it's not like he's a guy we can just acquire easily with DJ White.

Well for One Fields crumbled HORRIBLY in the play offs both offensivley an defensivley. Once Melo got to New York his numbers took a nose dive aswell. He benefited from the situation he was int, New York having nobody else to play at the 2 other than Roger Mason Jr.You dont honestly believe he is one of the best 5 players in his draft class do you?

[ammofan]

Well for One Fields crumbled HORRIBLY in the play offs both offensivley an defensivley. Once Melo got to New York his numbers took a nose dive aswell. He benefited from the situation he was int, New York having nobody else to play at the 2 other than Roger Mason Jr.You dont honestly believe he is one of the best 5 players in his draft class do you?

IDK man.....I can only go by what I have seen. Who else is better in his class right now? And if we were to draft a Alec Burks or Klay Thompson how do we know he could be better than Landry?

[SWedd523]

Well for One Fields crumbled HORRIBLY in the play offs both offensivley an defensivley. Once Melo got to New York his numbers took a nose dive aswell. He benefited from the situation he was int, New York having nobody else to play at the 2 other than Roger Mason Jr.You dont honestly believe he is one of the best 5 players in his draft class do you?
Wall was better. So was Cousins. After them, who else was better?


Jordan Crawford? ehh
Ed Davis? no
Greg Monroe? maybe

[ohara831]

Fields did fine. Remember, he was in the pressure cooker of NY and was only a Rookie. Of course he hit a wall late in the year heading into the playoffs. Dont just about all Rookies hit a wall late in the year. After all, they are playing 3x as many games as they are accustomed to playing. I'm not saying he's an All Star. But he did pretty darn well for a Rookie who was a 2nd round draft pick.

[BlockParty]

He had a better rookie year than every Bobcats draft pick except.....Okafor?

Felton, May, Morrison, Augustin, etc all had mixed results as rookies.

If we could turn every future 2nd round pick into a Landry Fields'esq player...it'll make Cho look like a genius.

[ohara831]

Per Chad Ford, several teams are looking to trade up ahead of Utah at #12 to grab Jimmer. NY is one of them. There could be a very interesting play for Charlotte and trading #9. We could be in position to demand a king's ransom.

[Chef]

Per Chad Ford, several teams are looking to trade up ahead of Utah at #12 to grab Jimmer. NY is one of them. There could be a very interesting play for Charlotte and trading #9. We could be in position to demand a king's ransom.

i would be less interested in acquiring any of nyk's players outside of melo or amare (even fields) than i would want to lose a contract from either diop or tyrus and getting a late first rounder from them for next year's draft.

[Plowright]

Word is Toronto are high on Byombo. They could trade down to 9 if hes still there. We could trade for whoever they draft, (kanter, Knight or Valancnas) send them Biyombo and something else? I dunow... thats not really a great idea

[ohara831]

Reports now are that Cavs are committed to Irving at #1 and taking offers for #4. That would basically give us the choice of Kanter, Valanciunas or Vesely. Wonder what we would have to put together with #9 to get to #4? And would the price be too steep?

[Plowright]

Prob could but not sure i want to. All eggs into one basket for Kanter the unkown, Valancunas with Buyout issues and Vesley who im not sure is better than 9 and 19 by himself

[SirBobcat]

Utah is picking Kanter. Just forget about Kanter. Cleveland knows this and don't want to pick at 4 with the crop of guys there.

[fallen xxi]

If we traded up to 4, Valanciunas is the best player that would be available there...but I think that the buyout situation is the problem. We aren't in the position right now where financially this team can wait on a player like Minny waited on Rubio. If this team wants to start making money, we need hope and we need it in the form of a young player right now, that's just my opinion. So that's why we either need to stay put, trade a pick for a veteran, or trade to 4 and pick either Knight (If Utah takes Kanter...which I still don't understand why they would with their PG/SG situation and with Jefferson at C), Kemba, or maybe even think about Burks.

That to me isn't enough reason to trade up.

[ohara831]

Now they say Valanciunas will NOT be albe to play in NBA this coming season. So whomever takes him has to wait a year. He will fall to the end of the Lottery at this news, and likely mean someone who would be at #9 for us will not NOT be there. CRAP!

[ammofan]

Cranston

-Bobcats discussing moving up in draft, also moving No. 9 pick. Remember have to exercise at least 1 1st rd pick after not having 1 last year
-Also hearing some teams have asked #Bobcats about Stephen Jackson and Boris Diaw.
-Right now #Bobcats would only hesitate trading Augustin. Henderson to a lesser degree.
-I think the message here is #Bobcats will consider almost anything. Little is off the table.

Very interesting.

[Plowright]

I would wait a year for Jonas!

[polarcat]

I would wait a year for Jonas!

Agreed. IMO, outside of Derrick Williams, and maybe Kyrie Irving, I don't see too many players in this draft having a 2011 season where they contribute a ton. Unlike other years, there are no Derrick Rose's, Kevin Durant's or Dwight Howard's, so I feel like a lot of players are a couple of years away from reaching their potential. If Jonas were to come over next year, yet still get serious burn in Europe, what's the harm? As far as big men go, it appears that it's Kanter, JoVa, and then Vucevic in Center rankings. Kanter is the most polished, yet probably has the lowest ceiling. Valucianas still needs work, but has the highest ceiling. Vucevic is somewhere after JoVa, and will be a more-than-solid contributor, though he probably lacks the level of talent that the previous two possess, IMO. It will be tough if Valucianas is there at 9, along with Leonard.

[Proudiddy]

Cranston

-Bobcats discussing moving up in draft, also moving No. 9 pick. Remember have to exercise at least 1 1st rd pick after not having 1 last year
-Also hearing some teams have asked #Bobcats about Stephen Jackson and Boris Diaw.
-Right now #Bobcats would only hesitate trading Augustin. Henderson to a lesser degree.
-I think the message here is #Bobcats will consider almost anything. Little is off the table.

Very interesting.

I mentioned in the "who won't be on the roster" thread that I don't think Jack will be here, whether that means he's traded before or during the season... I just feel like the feeling eminating from the FO since Cho's hire is that they're gonna go young, cut salary, and essentially re-build. It's possible Jack sticks around, but I doubt it - hard to tell though because he seems to be extra involved this off-season and even more dedicated - then again, that may be for a reason.

Also, I REEEEEAAAAAAAAAAALY hope Diaw is off the books sometime during draft night. I think the Raptors may be the destination there as well.

[SWedd523]

The FO won't draft a player who stays in Europe for another year or longer.

They need tangible assets, good young players who can come in so the FO can say, "Hey, stay a fan! We're rebuilding with good young players!"

[ohara831]

The FO won't draft a player who stays in Europe for another year or longer.

They need tangible assets, good young players who can come in so the FO can say, "Hey, stay a fan! We're rebuilding with good young players!"

I think you are correct. I can see trading Jax or Diaw or another vet for another pick. But I dont see picking someone who will not be on the team for at least 1 year. Just cant sell that to ticket buyers.

[polarcat]

The FO won't draft a player who stays in Europe for another year or longer.

They need tangible assets, good young players who can come in so the FO can say, "Hey, stay a fan! We're rebuilding with good young players!"

Before Cho came on board, I'd agree, but if Valanciunas is there at 9, he is the BPA and fills a need. Whereas the FO won't say we are in "full rebuild mode", we are definitely in a semi re-build mode, so I don't think the fear of not having a draftee this year suit up is as much of an issue as in the past. I know we are trying to add assets, but depending on who is still on the board at 9, JoVa would arguably be the best young player available and since we are far from contenders with any draftee this year, I would hope MJ and Co. would take him. Honestly SWedd, we probably won't have to worry because someone in the first 8 picks (or someone trading up) will take a flyer on him..... haha :)

[ammofan]

The FO won't draft a player who stays in Europe for another year or longer.

They need tangible assets, good young players who can come in so the FO can say, "Hey, stay a fan! We're rebuilding with good young players!"

Exactly. The talk on WFNZ on Friday would be how MJ/Cho have no idea what there doing and they should have picked so and so.

[Proudiddy]

I'm really starting to hope if we stay at 9 that the pick is going to be Klay Thompson.

[ammofan]

I'm really starting to hope if we stay at 9 that the pick is going to be Klay Thompson.

He would be my second pick behind Kawhi. Then Morris.

[Proudiddy]

I thought Leonard is projected 6th or 7th or so? Or at least he was last time I looked a week or so ago, IIRC. That plus the big guy (Valenciunas?) who won't be able to play until next year who was projected top 5 or so, I expect Leonard will go higher than expected.

I like KL and think that would be a awesome pick, but they're saying the Warriors are getting really enamored with Klay a few picks behind us and I heard them disucssing his offensive potential on ESPN earlier today, so I'm really starting to like him at 9 if we stay.

[ammofan]

The latest DX mock has Leonard AND Hamilton to the Cats at 9+19 respectively. I DO NOT want us to trade up/down based on the way these mocks look.

[polarcat]

Cranston
-Right now #Bobcats would only hesitate trading Augustin. Henderson to a lesser degree.
Very interesting.

I've read this 3 or 4 times and am confused as to which player is on shakier ground in Charlotte. I'm assuming it's DJ, but the wording is a little odd.

[ammofan]

Cranston is basically saying DJ is the guy the team wants to keep the most of anyone and Henderson is the 2nd most valuable to us. But anyone is on the table.

[SirBobcat]

I severely doubt Leonard makes it past Sacramento.

I think Diaw and pick 9 for pick 5 and trade exception would be great! They've been jonesing for Diaw since last year, find a use for the trade exception, and are able to move back and get a quality player...perhaps the guy I think Toronto really wants (Kemba Walker). The Bobcats get in position to pick an impact player while getting rid of Diaw's deal.

[Chef]

if someone wants jimmer at #9 and is sitting around 12-15, I would trade down for their pick and a next year #1 for #9 and one of our players. i want as many picks in next years draft as we can get. i would then hope val slips down and we take him with either the acquired pick or #19.

[polarcat]

I personally would drive Diaw's out-of-shape ass to Colangelo's mansion Thursday night with a bow on his head for that deal. Only thing is at 5, MJ loves Kemba and considering Irving, Williams, Knight and Kanter are probably off the board, Walker would probably be our guy. If Toronto wants Biyombo or Valucianas, they could roll the dice and hope he's there at 9, but if we move to 5, no way we don't take Walker. Besides, I think we'd have to sweeten the deal a little to get #5 and the TPE in that deal.

[mrtarheel]

Just read that Portland is thinking of trading their pic for a vet pf or center. Diaw for Oden straight up swop. http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/214218/Blazers_Hoping_To_Trade

[Ampsportsduo]

Exactly. The talk on WFNZ on Friday would be how MJ/Cho have no idea what there doing and they should have picked so and so.

I know one guy at WFNZ who is convinced this is a long term rebuild, but you are correct about what would be said. This cannot govern a team's moves, however.

While I typically agree with Spectre with the quality over quantity discussion, I think we are in a special situation. When not dealing with a sure thing (as much as can be expected with a draft), it might be beneficial to have multiple guys with lower salaries v. one with a larger salary for future moves. I actually find myself wishing we had one more pick. There are several guys from 9-40 I think could be a piece of a good team, but few I would bet on starting for a top level team, so in this case I would prefer more picks over a better pick (assuming it's not a top 3).

[BRNC]

It is weird, since this was "suppose to be a weak draft", that I agree about having another pick...I know some of the teens and 20s teams are looking to sell and I'd love it if we bought another...several players out of this draft I'd like on our team...

[Proudiddy]

Just read that Portland is thinking of trading their pic for a vet pf or center. Diaw for Oden straight up swop. http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/214218/Blazers_Hoping_To_Trade

Might not be a good move... Oden's agent said he probably won't be able to play this season, or at least not until 2012, and even then they said he plans to ease back into it.

[Weezy21]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3kyxlpr

This is based off a few current rumors and a few old

Bobcats trade- DJ, Jackson, Tyrus, 19th pick
Bobcats get- Nelson, Anderson, Thompson, Beasley

C-Thompson/Kwame
PF-Diaw/Anderson
SF-Beasley
SG-Henderson/9th pick
PG-Nelson/Liv

Bobcats need a shake up...the one thing the Bobcats were lacking last year was a Center...there was plenty of rumors swirling at the deadline last year and one was DJ for Thompson...another rumor last offseason was that they were very interested in Beasley...he could fill in for Jackson...would prefer to keep DJ, but since he is gone, Nelson is a good fit...plus they still would have the 9th pick left over to select somebody like Alec Burks or Klay Thompson

Magic trade- Nelson, JJ, & Anderson
Magic get- Stephen Jackson, Tyrus

C-Dwight/Tyrus
PF-Tyrus/Bass
SF-Hedo/Jackson
SG-Jackson/QRich
PG-Arenas/Duhon

Dwight has already said he feels Van Gundy didnt use Arenas right...I think he meant didnt play him enough...could be wrong, but who knows...JJ never commanded double teams, Jackson can...Tyrus and Dwight together would be extremely athletic plus Tyrus can play both PF and C...Otis Smith does one final trade to hope to satisfy Dwight

Kings trade- Thompson
Kings get- DJ

C-Cousins
PF-7th pick (Leonard)
SF-Casspi/Greene
SG-Tyreke/Thorton
PG-DJ/Beno

Beno just inst cutting it at PG...they need somebody who can run the point and mesh well with Tyreke...DJ can be that guy

Wolves trade- Beasley
Wolves get- JJ & 19th pick

C-Darko/Pecovick
PF-Love/Randolph
SF-DWill/Wes
SG-JJ/Wes
PG-Rubio/Flynn

I know a lot of people have been speculating the Wolves will move the 2nd pick for a Vet. Well I think they end up staying pat because they realize how good Williams can be...they do however get a Vet in JJ Redick...I know he's not a star by any means, but he is a player who can knock down shots...plus allows Wes to come off the bench as he develops a little more...After drafting Williams at 2, they now have the 19 & 20th pick in the draft...they can package them to move up or get another vet....or they can trade one for a 2012 first since they currently don't have one...gives them many options

[BRNC]

I don't see the 'Cats or Magic doing this deal with one-another...

[Plowright]

With an eye on drafting Arizona’s Derrick Williams, the Indiana Pacers have discussed a package including center Roy Hibbert(notes) and the 15th pick for
the Minnesota Timberwolves’ second overall pick, league sources said. Nevertheless, the overture hasn’t gained traction in Minnesota. …The Los Angeles Lakers and Sacramento Kings are two teams with interest in prying Raymond Felton(notes) from the Denver Nuggets, league sources said.
The Nuggets believe strongly in Ty Lawson(notes) as their point guard, and
Felton, with a $7.5 million expiring contract, is expendable. …Houston continues to offer the 14th and 23rd picks in the draft to move into the top 10, and could have a willing partner with the Detroit Pistons at No. 8. The Pistons have told teams they won’t trade down until they see who drops to them on draft night, sources said. In what could be an interesting window into the Pistons’ preferences, San Diego State forward Kawhi Leonard worked out for Detroit on Monday, and shortly thereafter cancelled his Wednesday workout with the Milwaukee Bucks, who have the 10th pick. Several executives believe Leonard may have left Auburn Hills with a guarantee. …Perhaps no player is rising faster than Georgia Tech’s Iman Shumpert, who is suddenly on the Phoenix Suns’ short list at No. 13. The Nets have had a strong interest in him, and he could be the player they’re trying to move up from No. 27 to get. …The Suns have been willing to take back a so-so contract for Vince Carter(notes), if it included a first-round pick in the 2012 draft, league sources
said. This hasn’t happened, and as the Arizona Republic’s Paul Coro reported, the Suns will buy out the final $18 million season on Carter’s contract for $4 million. …The Utah Jazz are under immense public pressure to draft Jimmer Fredette at No. 12, but league sources said the front office remains focused on Florida State’s Chris Singleton, perhaps the best pure defender in the draft. Several teams believe Singleton could go at No. 9 to the Charlotte Bobcats. As for the Bobcats, one Eastern Conference executive said: “The whole team is available.” …Providence guard Marshon Brooks is getting a close examination by the New York Knicks at No. 17. His scoring ability continues to impress executives.

So it looks like Leonard may have a promise at 8 and we want Singleton at 9

[Chef]

With an eye on drafting Arizona’s Derrick Williams, the Indiana Pacers have discussed a package including center Roy Hibbert(notes) and the 15th pick for
the Minnesota Timberwolves’ second overall pick, league sources said. Nevertheless, the overture hasn’t gained traction in Minnesota. …The Los Angeles Lakers and Sacramento Kings are two teams with interest in prying Raymond Felton(notes) from the Denver Nuggets, league sources said.
The Nuggets believe strongly in Ty Lawson(notes) as their point guard, and
Felton, with a $7.5 million expiring contract, is expendable. …Houston continues to offer the 14th and 23rd picks in the draft to move into the top 10, and could have a willing partner with the Detroit Pistons at No. 8. The Pistons have told teams they won’t trade down until they see who drops to them on draft night, sources said. In what could be an interesting window into the Pistons’ preferences, San Diego State forward Kawhi Leonard worked out for Detroit on Monday, and shortly thereafter cancelled his Wednesday workout with the Milwaukee Bucks, who have the 10th pick. Several executives believe Leonard may have left Auburn Hills with a guarantee. …Perhaps no player is rising faster than Georgia Tech’s Iman Shumpert, who is suddenly on the Phoenix Suns’ short list at No. 13. The Nets have had a strong interest in him, and he could be the player they’re trying to move up from No. 27 to get. …The Suns have been willing to take back a so-so contract for Vince Carter(notes), if it included a first-round pick in the 2012 draft, league sources
said. This hasn’t happened, and as the Arizona Republic’s Paul Coro reported, the Suns will buy out the final $18 million season on Carter’s contract for $4 million. …The Utah Jazz are under immense public pressure to draft Jimmer Fredette at No. 12, but league sources said the front office remains focused on Florida State’s Chris Singleton, perhaps the best pure defender in the draft. Several teams believe Singleton could go at No. 9 to the Charlotte Bobcats. As for the Bobcats, one Eastern Conference executive said: “The whole team is available.” …Providence guard Marshon Brooks is getting a close examination by the New York Knicks at No. 17. His scoring ability continues to impress executives.

So it looks like Leonard may have a promise at 8 and we want Singleton at 9

i am much more interested at the number of teams willing to take on salary. if we are going to go the shed longer term salary root #9 and the contracts of jackson, tyrus, matty c or diop would all be options i would love to see explored.

[ammofan]

I dont mind Singleton at all.....should be interesting

[dav7z]

With an eye on drafting Arizona’s Derrick Williams, the Indiana Pacers have discussed a package including center Roy Hibbert(notes) and the 15th pick for
the Minnesota Timberwolves’ second overall pick, league sources said. Nevertheless, the overture hasn’t gained traction in Minnesota. …The Los Angeles Lakers and Sacramento Kings are two teams with interest in prying Raymond Felton(notes) from the Denver Nuggets, league sources said.
The Nuggets believe strongly in Ty Lawson(notes) as their point guard, and
Felton, with a $7.5 million expiring contract, is expendable. …Houston continues to offer the 14th and 23rd picks in the draft to move into the top 10, and could have a willing partner with the Detroit Pistons at No. 8. The Pistons have told teams they won’t trade down until they see who drops to them on draft night, sources said. In what could be an interesting window into the Pistons’ preferences, San Diego State forward Kawhi Leonard worked out for Detroit on Monday, and shortly thereafter cancelled his Wednesday workout with the Milwaukee Bucks, who have the 10th pick. Several executives believe Leonard may have left Auburn Hills with a guarantee. …Perhaps no player is rising faster than Georgia Tech’s Iman Shumpert, who is suddenly on the Phoenix Suns’ short list at No. 13. The Nets have had a strong interest in him, and he could be the player they’re trying to move up from No. 27 to get. …The Suns have been willing to take back a so-so contract for Vince Carter(notes), if it included a first-round pick in the 2012 draft, league sources
said. This hasn’t happened, and as the Arizona Republic’s Paul Coro reported, the Suns will buy out the final $18 million season on Carter’s contract for $4 million. …The Utah Jazz are under immense public pressure to draft Jimmer Fredette at No. 12, but league sources said the front office remains focused on Florida State’s Chris Singleton, perhaps the best pure defender in the draft. Several teams believe Singleton could go at No. 9 to the Charlotte Bobcats. As for the Bobcats, one Eastern Conference executive said: “The whole team is available.” …Providence guard Marshon Brooks is getting a close examination by the New York Knicks at No. 17. His scoring ability continues to impress executives.

So it looks like Leonard may have a promise at 8 and we want Singleton at 9

We need everthing . 9# isn't much better than 14th in this draft . I thinnk i would trade with Houston for 14 and 23rd
Players we have insterst in will still be around at 14th and 23rd.
Felton for Diaw might be intresting....

[mrtarheel]

With an eye on drafting Arizona’s Derrick Williams, the Indiana Pacers have discussed a package including center Roy Hibbert(notes) and the 15th pick for
the Minnesota Timberwolves’ second overall pick, league sources said. Nevertheless, the overture hasn’t gained traction in Minnesota. …The Los Angeles Lakers and Sacramento Kings are two teams with interest in prying Raymond Felton(notes) from the Denver Nuggets, league sources said.
The Nuggets believe strongly in Ty Lawson(notes) as their point guard, and
Felton, with a $7.5 million expiring contract, is expendable. …Houston continues to offer the 14th and 23rd picks in the draft to move into the top 10, and could have a willing partner with the Detroit Pistons at No. 8. The Pistons have told teams they won’t trade down until they see who drops to them on draft night, sources said. In what could be an interesting window into the Pistons’ preferences, San Diego State forward Kawhi Leonard worked out for Detroit on Monday, and shortly thereafter cancelled his Wednesday workout with the Milwaukee Bucks, who have the 10th pick. Several executives believe Leonard may have left Auburn Hills with a guarantee. …Perhaps no player is rising faster than Georgia Tech’s Iman Shumpert, who is suddenly on the Phoenix Suns’ short list at No. 13. The Nets have had a strong interest in him, and he could be the player they’re trying to move up from No. 27 to get. …The Suns have been willing to take back a so-so contract for Vince Carter(notes), if it included a first-round pick in the 2012 draft, league sources
said. This hasn’t happened, and as the Arizona Republic’s Paul Coro reported, the Suns will buy out the final $18 million season on Carter’s contract for $4 million. …The Utah Jazz are under immense public pressure to draft Jimmer Fredette at No. 12, but league sources said the front office remains focused on Florida State’s Chris Singleton, perhaps the best pure defender in the draft. Several teams believe Singleton could go at No. 9 to the Charlotte Bobcats. As for the Bobcats, one Eastern Conference executive said: “The whole team is available.” …Providence guard Marshon Brooks is getting a close examination by the New York Knicks at No. 17. His scoring ability continues to impress executives.

So it looks like Leonard may have a promise at 8 and we want Singleton at 9
If Ind wants to get rid of Hibbert why not give Minn our #9 to go with Ind's #15 to Minn and give them Diaw.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6xhcca8
Charlotte lineup

Dj, Livingston, #39
Henderson, #19, Carrol
Jax, Beasley, Posey
TT, White, FA
Hibbert, Brown, Diop

[Weezy21]

If Ind wants to get rid of Hibbert why not give Minn our #9 to go with Ind's #15 to Minn and give them Diaw.

They are only looking to get rid of Hibbert if it meant getting the 2nd pick....no way Minny does that deal either

[Black]

Yeah, that might happen on a video game, not in real life though.

[mrtarheel]

That isn't to far fetched. Minny receives #15 and #9 and Diaw (vet in a contract year expiring deal). Indy still gets the #2 pick while we get a young center and instant offense off the bench.

[The Prodigy]

What would it take to get Igoudala from the 76ers? I would really love to get him somehow.

[Plowright]

Iggy is a 2nd guy on a great team. Thats why Philly are getting rid of him. We need a star. Once we have that star we can go after complimentary players like Iggy

[Chef]

What would it take to get Igoudala from the 76ers? I would really love to get him somehow.

oh god no.

[Proudiddy]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/214221/Hawks_Begin_Exploring_Trade_Of_Josh_Smith

Hawks are shopping Josh Smith... If I'm not mistaken, we were reportedly close to a deal for him last season, or at least were interested according to rumors. Would be epic if we could get him for 19 and Diaw's expiring + filler, something along those lines.

[ohara831]

Diaw officially picked up his Option today. Surprised as I thought he would wait till after the draft. Now, he can be traded. I bet he did that because the team is in talks with some team about him and he is aware and likes the destination. Otherwise, he really might not Opt in yet as he might not like where he will be going. Just my guess.

[Proudiddy]

good thinking ohara, I actually mentioned in the Biyombo thread that I wonder if bringing him in this late has anything to do with a possible move up in the draft? I also said previously in this thread IIRC that I think Boris is gonna end up with Toronto, who, IIRC again, were high Biyombo and possibly Kemba Walker (not sure about Kemba but think I remember reading that).

That would be awesome.

[The Prodigy]

Iggy is a 2nd guy on a great team. Thats why Philly are getting rid of him. We need a star. Once we have that star we can go after complimentary players like Iggy

Im not saying I would give a lot for him. I just saw that the 76ers were interested in moving him, and was wondering how cheaply he would be availible.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

There is no doubt we trade a player for future draft picks. Next years draft is seen as deeper and better than this years so if I had my guess I wouldn't be surprised if Cho convinces the organization to look to adding picks to next seasons draft. That will give this team more flexibility to make moves to improve the team as opposed to this season. If that does not happen Cho and co will definitely keep what they have.

[Chef]

Im not saying I would give a lot for him. I just saw that the 76ers were interested in moving him, and was wondering how cheaply he would be availible.

it doesn't matter if he showed up on the doorstep in a basket with a note. he is owed 15+ mil for the next 3 years.

[Black]

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but it isn't thread worthy so I will post it here.

On ESPN earlier, they were talking about the Lakers with an LA Times beat writer, and he suggested that Augustin would be a perfect fit for the Lakers.

Not news, no rumors, just throwing it out there. Do with it what you will.

[Proudiddy]

Also, just checked on RGM and the Spurs are shopping Tony Parker for a lottery pick and have talked with the Pistons and another team that I can't remember right now...

edit: checked and the spurs have talked to the kings and raptors

[ammofan]

Also, just checked on RGM and the Spurs are shopping Tony Parker for a lottery pick and have talked with the Pistons and another team that I can't remember right now...

edit: checked and the spurs have talked to the kings and raptors

Wow....I might have to jump on a TP for #9 trade. Obviously other pieces would be involved....Diaw?

[dnbman]

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but it isn't thread worthy so I will post it here.

On ESPN earlier, they were talking about the Lakers with an LA Times beat writer, and he suggested that Augustin would be a perfect fit for the Lakers.

Not news, no rumors, just throwing it out there. Do with it what you will.

What could possibly be headed our way? It's feast or famine with the Laker's talent.

[The Prodigy]

Wow....I might have to jump on a TP for #9 trade. Obviously other pieces would be involved....Diaw?

Would Tony really help us that much? Especially if one of our "goals" is to get CP3 here?

I feel like if we got Tony we would end up right back in no mans land. A 6 or 7 seed in the playoffs with draft picks in the 20's

[SWedd523]

No thanks on Parker. Way too many minutes on those legs. We want young guys to build a core around, not old vets

[teej]

Yeah, no way no how on TP.

And as far as the Lakers, I could go DJ, Diaw, #19 and Gana for Bynum and Walton.

[ohara831]

No thanks on Parker. Way too many minutes on those legs. We want young guys to build a core around, not old vets

My thoughts exactly.

[BRNC]

I agree on TP...very old 29...too many bangs/injuries/knocks etc....

[jazzer89]

Yeah, no way no how on TP.

And as far as the Lakers, I could go DJ, Diaw, #19 and Gana for Bynum and Walton.

i would love that deal, especially if at 9 walker is sitting there

[Plowright]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Teams believe Charlotte has designs on specific player for No. 9. If he's off board, they think 'Cats will trade down to get multiple picks.

So two questions, who are we aiming for? Second question who will we trade the pick to? Houston for 14 and 23? I would do that, take Jordan Hamilton at 14 for our wing cover instead of Singleton or Klay

[ammofan]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Teams believe Charlotte has designs on specific player for No. 9. If he's off board, they think 'Cats will trade down to get multiple picks.

So two questions, who are we aiming for? Second question who will we trade the pick to? Houston for 14 and 23? I would do that, take Jordan Hamilton at 14 for our wing cover instead of Singleton or Klay


Also: @Probballdraft says: "To piggy back on @WojYahooNBA report on #Bucks & #Warriors being enamored w/ Klay Thompson. You can also add the Bobcats. CHA is intrigued."

[ohara831]

If we are eyeing one who "may be gone by 9" I would think Kemba, Leonard if it is someone we "hope" might still be there, or Twin 1, Singleton who we think should be there but could get taken before us.

[BRNC]

If I had to guess I'd say Leonard but who knows could be Kemba (I hope not)...they might figure Singleton, Burks, or Thompson will be at 14 so why not get the extra pick...

This from Andy Katz but I can't find who we might be targeting..."Cleveland is actively pursuing multiple picks deeper in the first round, as are Portland, Houston and Charlotte."

same Katz report: "• There is legitimate concern that UConn's Kemba Walker could be sliding deep into the lottery or even out of it altogether if Sacramento were to pass on him at No. 7. However, Walker's representation isn't worried about the number as much as the fit. Walker initially was comfortable that he would be going to Toronto (No. 5), Sacramento (7) or Detroit (8). But the Raptors and Pistons have cooled a bit and a number of teams slotted after the Pistons are actively discussing that he might be on the board when they select. "

Would not seem to indicate Walker is "the guy" for us...

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/category/_/name/draft-reports

[dav7z]

If we could land Leonard and Burks the draft would be a friggin grand slam. Draft express has us takeing both.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2011/
I think we should strongly consider trading our 9th for the 14th and the 23rd . THE TOP 25 depends what you like , With just two stars in the draft.

[adam187]

If no Kawhi, definitely push hard for that Houston trade. Anybody we want after him stands a good chance at being available a few picks later, and if not, there's another guy waiting who no one here is really going to be super upset we took instead. Unless it's Jimmer.

[Plowright]

Yer i have heard so many people said the 3rd pick may not be different to the 9th and heard people say 9th may not that be different to 20th. So i think if nobody slips and there is only Biyombo and burks we do that Houston trade if they still want to

[ohara831]

Knicks want someone like Kemba real bad. Someone with flare to play with Melo and Amare. Kemba falls to us at #9, and we trade him for a king's ransom. Kemba and Matt C. for #17, Fields, 2012 1st

[Plowright]

they can have Diop if there that desperate for him!

[BRNC]

Knicks want someone like Kemba real bad. Someone with flare to play with Melo and Amare. Kemba falls to us at #9, and we trade him for a king's ransom. Kemba and Matt C. for #17, Fields, 2012 1st

ohara...they have no 2012 first...or 2014...and I don't think they have any seconds for the next 3-4 drafts either...they're tapped out on picks...

[SirBobcat]

Our best deal to move back is with Houston. Call me on the bandwagon to dealing 9 for 14 and 23. I think we can walk out with 3 solid players if that trade is made.

[ohara831]

ohara...they have no 2012 first...or 2014...and I don't think they have any seconds for the next 3-4 drafts either...they're tapped out on picks...

If they have no 2012, no deal

[SWedd523]

If they have no 2012, no deal

We'll have a 2012


..............all the way up until 12/21

[Proudiddy]

I still like my Diaw to Toronto for they're trade exception and #5, possibly (actually most likely) including our #9.

[dav7z]

I still like my Diaw to Toronto for they're trade exception and #5, possibly (actually most likely) including our #9.

I would do Diaw for the fifth pick and fillers or trade exception . As long as its no bad contracts involved . But Diaw can not be traded until he accepts his contract for this year .Its a players option. So realisticly he can't be traded til hes signs a contract.
Trading with Houston is our best bet unless Leonard falls to us. We still pick up three solid players.

[GOBOBCATS24]

Boris picked up the option a couple of days ago. http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NBA&id=947&line=161376&spln=1

[ohara831]

Chad Ford says Charlotte and Houston have talked about the #9 for #14 and #23 deal. I would hope we dont lose out on that to the Bucks at #10. But sure as we pull the trigger, watch Vesely fall to #9.

[Plowright]

do it on draft night i say. See if anyone drops, if not then do it. I started this thread but its mysteriously been deleted even though the bcp twitter account linked it

[SirBobcat]

Good! More assets in a draft filled with solid role players!

[ohara831]

do it on draft night i say. See if anyone drops, if not then do it. I started this thread but its mysteriously been deleted even though the bcp twitter account linked it

I agree. But I think that is part of the problem. You dont want the Bucks to jump on it before you. And if I'm Houston, I'm pressing to get it done now. It's a risk for both sides. We may miss the one we hope is there at #9, but they may also trade up for someone who ends up being taken at #8 and they get screwed. Tough call, as I would want to wait to see if someone falls to us, but would absolutely get pissed about losing the deal to the Bucks . I think we can get someone at #14 that we are highly considering at #9, so to me it is worth the gamble to make the deal.

[BlockParty]

Seems like we are ready to move to make a trade now for a young veteran.

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/bobcats/story/9765121/

"The day before the draft, I feel like they're probably going to choose between the guys that are here," Morris said. "Hopefully, they choose me."

It may not be that easy. While Higgins said they've narrowed their choice to between four and six players with the ninth choice, they may not keep that selection. Higgins acknowledged they've discussed deals in which they would give up the pick to acquire a veteran.

"Obviously, a starter," Higgins said. "Probably somewhere between the 22- to 25-year-old range, where he has an upside and he can be with your team for quite a long time."

After trading Gerald Wallace to Portland in February for two first-round picks that also created needed salary-cap space, the Bobcats have made it clear they're ready to remake the roster. They have plenty of holes, from no healthy center signed for next season, to lack of depth at shooting guard and small forward.

[Proudiddy]

Seems like we are ready to move to make a trade now for a young veteran.

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/bobcats/story/9765121/

I like! *borat face*

[rsxnova]

What young vets are out there that are avail?

[BlockParty]

What young vets are out there that are avail?

For the right situation..80-85% of those in the league. Most teams don't have more than a few 'untouchable' players. We now have the benefit of having 2 front office's worth of knowledge and communication on what teams might be willing to trade.

[BRNC]

More trade chatter in USAToday...basically everything we've heard rolled up in one...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2011-06-22-3955501734_x.htm

[ammofan]

Hmmm who could we get?

[DwiLLL]

oh please dont. the bobcats are just gonna fuck this up somehow, prepare to get jason richardson again for the 9th pick.

[bes628]

oh please dont. the bobcats are just gonna fuck this up somehow, prepare to get jason richardson again for the 9th pick.

Lord have mercy on us.

Hopefully we're walking away with monta ellis or somebody of that nature.

[BRNC]

Monta...when a team like the GSW are better on defense when this guy is on the bench why would we want him and his contract? I know he can score but geez...

[bes628]

Monta...when a team like the GSW are better on defense when this guy is on the bench why would we want him and his contract? I know he can score but geez...

We play good Defense..we need to learn to score damn points. Send them Boris Diaw and #19.

A "Monta Ellis" type is about as close to the star level we can land at this point.

[BRNC]

We play good Defense..we need to learn to score damn points. Send them Boris Diaw and #19.

A "Monta Ellis" type is about as close to the star level we can land at this point.

...that's the point...defense is a team concept...Monta does not get the concept...

[bes628]

...that's the point...defense is a team concept...Monta does not get the concept...

True enough, but somebody besides Captain Jackson has to score some damn points and Ellis >>>Hendo

[BRNC]

bes...here is a good read on Monta and his defense...the link has the full article:

"Ellis’ defense is red flag for interested teams" (http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/06/22/ellis-defense-is-red-flag-for-interested-teams/)

"Ellis’ allegedly poor defense is at the center of that question. As many have pointed out (http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2011/02/02/monta-ellis-highlight-season-low-all-star-chances-and-much-more/), the Warriors have been much better defensively with Ellis on the bench (http://basketballvalue.com/teamplayers.php?team=GSW&year=2010-2011) for three straight seasons. That statistic has its flaws, especially considering how many minutes Ellis plays (a league-leading 40.3 minutes per game last season), but his critics have a growing pile of evidence that he is fatal to the Warriors’ already-limited defense. Those who have hope for Ellis hold strongly to two caveats:"

http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/06/22/ellis-defense-is-red-flag-for-interested-teams/#more-10004
(http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/06/22/ellis-defense-is-red-flag-for-interested-teams/#comment)

[bes628]

bes...here is a good read on Monta and his defense...the link has the full article:

"Ellis’ defense is red flag for interested teams" (http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/06/22/ellis-defense-is-red-flag-for-interested-teams/)

"Ellis’ allegedly poor defense is at the center of that question. As many have pointed out (http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2011/02/02/monta-ellis-highlight-season-low-all-star-chances-and-much-more/), the Warriors have been much better defensively with Ellis on the bench (http://basketballvalue.com/teamplayers.php?team=GSW&year=2010-2011) for three straight seasons. That statistic has its flaws, especially considering how many minutes Ellis plays (a league-leading 40.3 minutes per game last season), but his critics have a growing pile of evidence that he is fatal to the Warriors’ already-limited defense. Those who have hope for Ellis hold strongly to two caveats:"

http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/06/22/ellis-defense-is-red-flag-for-interested-teams/#more-10004
(http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/06/22/ellis-defense-is-red-flag-for-interested-teams/#comment)

I understand that and have acknowledged it. My thing is if we ever want to get over the hump we need somebody who can score like Ellis, your 20-25 PPG guy, even if it means sacrificing some D, and its not like we couldn't bring Hendo in off the bench to play whoever Ellis man is, and let Ellis run point, because lets be honest here DJ's D is just as bad.

Truth of the matter is I dont really even care if Ellis is here or not, I was just using his name as a Measure of Star that we could realistically land here right now.

[BRNC]

I agree with you about DJ...I think he (DJ) is a backup PG not a starter...my problem is IMO Monta ia a SG not a PG...we need a starting PG not an undersized SG...now if the want to send us S. Curry....:biggrin:

[BRNC]

Alex Kennedy (http://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA): Add the Denver Nuggets and Philadelphia 76ers to the list of teams trying to move into the top ten. 4 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/statuses/83661301938782208)

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1Q2xPlX8x

[ohara831]

LOL! We'll trade with Denver and bring back Felton!

[bes628]

LOL! We'll trade with Denver and bring back Felton!

You say it in jest..but with this organization nothing is out of the possibility.

[WFU4LIFE]

If the Nuggets offered us Wilson Chandler then I would jump at that. Don't know if they would, but he's one of my favorite young players.

[BRNC]

From Chad Ford:

"The Pistons, Bobcats, Bucks and Warriors are getting flooded with calls from teams looking to move into that range."

"The Bobcats are in the most interesting situation. They are trying to package picks Nos. 9 and 19 to move up a few spots to get a shot at drafting Leonard. However, if Leonard is off the board, the Bobcats might be inclined to do a deal with Houston or San Antonio. "


Link:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/30611/latest-buzz-picks-nos-8-11-the-trade-zone

[ohara831]

Not a rumor; just curious. Would you send Hendo, Diop. Carroll and #9 to Denver for Wilson Chandler, Gallinari and #22 if you could do so?

[BRNC]

Not a rumor; just curious. Would you send Hendo, Diop. Carroll and #9 to Denver for Wilson Chandler, Gallinari and #22 if you could do so?

Me.....yes

[bes628]

Not a rumor; just curious. Would you send Hendo, Diop. Carroll and #9 to Denver for Wilson Chandler, Gallinari and #22 if you could do so?

Im gonna have to say f*ck yes.

[Chef]

Not a rumor; just curious. Would you send Hendo, Diop. Carroll and #9 to Denver for Wilson Chandler, Gallinari and #22 if you could do so?

anyone on this board that says no to that questions is banned. forever.

[BlockParty]

Not a rumor; just curious. Would you send Hendo, Diop. Carroll and #9 to Denver for Wilson Chandler, Gallinari and #22 if you could do so?

I think you forgot to include one part of the trade that makes it more realistic: Hendo, Diop. Carroll, the incriminating pictures MJ has of George Karl and #9 to Denver for Wilson Chandler, Gallinari and #22

[dav7z]

anyone on this board that says no to that questions is banned. Forever.

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oo................................lol

[ohara831]

Too one sided in our favor? What if in order for them to absorb Diop and Matt's contracts, we had to add #19? So #9 and #19 with Diop and Carroll for #22, Chandler and Gallinari? A bit more fair, and would you still do it?

[Chef]

Too one sided in our favor? What if in order for them to absorb Diop and Matt's contracts, we had to add #19? So #9 and #19 with Diop and Carroll for #22, Chandler and Gallinari? A bit more fair, and would you still do it?

denver wouldn't do that deal for just #22 let alone for chandler and gallinari (who i would offer anyone on this team and #9 for him alone.)

[BRNC]

ohara...probably the only way Denver does it...but I'd pass...but still thinking...no...I'd pass

[SWedd523]

Chandler is a RFA, so we can't trade for him until he signs a new contract (or a S&T). Denver would never do that trade anyway.


As for young vets, it'd be young under appreciated players like TWill

[mrtarheel]

I would go the Houston route trading #9 and Diaw for there picks of #14, #23, Budinger and Hill. Then if Denver is intrested in any of those picks, package the pick they want, Carroll and Najera plus TPE for Chandler and a 1st in next years draft. Our team gets better and we still have pics of #19, #23 and #39.

Dj, Livingston, #23 Reggie Jackson
Hendo, Chandler, #19 Marshon Brooks
Jax, Budinger,
TT, White, Hill
Kwame, #39 Keith Benson, Diop and a FA Center

[teej]

You could take off Chandler and I'd still do it. Gallo and a first rounder to get rid of Diop and Carroll? Hell fucking yes. Every day.

[kickazzz2000]

You could take off Chandler and I'd still do it. Gallo and a first rounder to get rid of Diop and Carroll? Hell fucking yes. Every day.

This. I just wanna fleece someone, fuckin rape em. So bad that we would stop worrying about lollipops n shit.

[BRNC]

Alex Kennedy (http://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA): The Denver Nuggets are shopping Raymond Felton. It sounds like they're trying to package Felton with #22 to move into the top ten. 4 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/statuses/83734488793874432)

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1Q48BcUc3

[ammofan]

Alex Kennedy (http://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA): The Denver Nuggets are shopping Raymond Felton. It sounds like they're trying to package Felton with #22 to move into the top ten. 4 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/statuses/83734488793874432)

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1Q48BcUc3


LOL......lets not even go there.

[BRNC]

:p...just putting up the info...:cool:

[kickazzz2000]

LOL......lets not even go there.

Can you imagine the meltdown were this to occur? :facepalm::D

[ohara831]

As I hear names like Tristan, Jimmer and Biyombo being talked about as going in the Top 7, I start to feel like the key here for us is patience. I like the Houstona deal of #14 and #23 for #9, but I think that if we are patient, someone is going to fall to us at #9. And that will prove to be a huge gain for Charlotte. Just a feeling.

[BRNC]

ohara...I agree that the Houston deal might be good but latest has Kemba and Biyombo both falling...some of the guys they would have pushed down will come back up...

...just read this...

"The following players are the ones that I've gathered, after talking to various sources, are virtual locks to be selected in the lottery: Kyrie Irving, Derrick Williams, Enes Kanter, Brandon Knight, Kemba Walker, Jan Vesely, Kawhi Leonard, Jonas Valanciunas, Klay Thompson and Chris Singleton.

That leaves four teams in the top 14 picks that could opt for a non-green room invite. That also leaves five green room invites (Alec Burks, Tristan Thompson, Jimmer Fredette, Marcus Morris and Markieff Morris) that could slip out of the lottery."

http://thehoopsreport.com/article.aspx?id=755

[Woody]

Draft express is reporting that hou offered mil courtney lee, 14, and 23 for the 10. If they offer that to us I take it in a heartbeat.

[Plowright]

I thought it was Lee and 14 for 9 but if they offer 23 aswell take it!

[Plowright]

O also i was thinking about what Jordan Hamilton said yesterday at his 2nd workout. He said his range is 9-18. Now if you were getting interviewed by the media in Charlotte wouldnt you say 9-19 or something. This just makes me think he has a promise from Wiz at 18. This is for any of those who think he might be around at 19

[Hormel]

Gonna be driving to Cedar Point Ohio today, wish I could be here for the chat, but looks like I wont, hope all you Bobcat fans enjoy watching the draft together.

My hope for this draft is just to trade away some of our bad contracts, any players we get is just sugar coating, although I am a fan of the trade for Houston's two pick deal. Also wouldn't mind getting picks next year, big fan of the work Cho has done his whole career , so for once I'm going into a draft with confidence, this is a weird feeling.

[spectre]

In regards to the HOU deal...supposedly they're offering up Courtney Lee and the picks. Would Lee qualify as that young vet Higgins mentioned?

How's about Carroll/9th for Lee/14th/23rd?

[Plowright]

http://espn.go.com/blog/TrueHoop/post/_/id/30662/thunder-looking-to-deal-maynor-to-move-up


I dont really have any interest in Maynor (we are reported to have been spoken to) But i thought i would post it anyway

[Plowright]

In regards to the HOU deal...supposedly they're offering up Courtney Lee and the picks. Would Lee qualify as that young vet Higgins mentioned?

How's about Carroll/9th for Lee/14th/23rd?

UMMMMM YES! All over that trade

[ohara831]

In regards to the HOU deal...supposedly they're offering up Courtney Lee and the picks. Would Lee qualify as that young vet Higgins mentioned?

How's about Carroll/9th for Lee/14th/23rd?

In a heartbeat!

And Plowman, I agree that I see no reason why we would be entertaining the Maynor scenario. But Maynor and #24 for #19 is possible I guess. Not sure I like it tho.

[ohara831]

If we did the Houston trade, as they offered Courtney Lee with the picks to the Bucks, if they approach Charlotte, I'd want Chase Buddinger rather than Courtney Lee.

[adam187]

It wasn't very long ago that Courtney Lee was starting for a team in the Finals. I'd also be interested in T-Will still, Houston has a lot of interesting young players.

[ammofan]

Wow we need to do the HOU trade. C-Lee rules.

[Plowright]

Yer http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/214291/Rockets_Targeting_Thompson_Biyombo_In_Efforts_To_M ove_Up

need to jump on that trade now. Take Hamilton at 14, would love that so much. Would like to have Lee here off the bench behind hendo

[Plowright]

In a heartbeat!

But Maynor and #24 for #19 is possible I guess. Not sure I like it tho.

OKC's aim is to get into the top 10 which is the confusing thing, so that wouldnt achieve their aim

[Ampsportsduo]

Lots of teams trying to trade into the low teens to then trade higher. Bad teams don't want to drop too far.

Courtney Lee and Gerald Henderson from the Department of Redundancy Department?

[spectre]

Westbrook to Charlotte? (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1121787&p=28423041#p28421550)


Russell Westbrook
#24

for

DJ Augustin
Gerald Henderson
#9
#19

big rumor floating around. questionable, but very interesting

Oh my God. If only we could pull something like this.

No link...so dubious at best.

[Proudiddy]

Is that from RGM trade forum's spec?

[Proudiddy]

Why do I have a feeling this might come into play for us?


chadfordinsider Chad Ford
Draft Buzz: Cavs trying to get a third lottery pick. Offering to take back a bad deal. Kings & Pistons are targets. espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/…

[spectre]

Yup.

Since there's no link I'd not give it any weight...but one can certainly hope!

[Proudiddy]

Indeed! Lollipop my ass!

I'm not sure how I would feel about going from picking 9 at the earliest to 24 though...

[BRNC]

If Chad Ford (mock 7.0) is correct and we get K. Leonard I do not want to trade with Houston....

[Chef]

chad ford reporting cavs willing to take back contracts with tpe to get a 3rd lotto pick. saying the kings and pistons could be talking about it. i would jump all over it (rightly assuming the westbrook rumor is complete shit, which it is). i would offer #9, diop and tyrus and carroll for sessions and jamison. or if we wanted to keep tyrus i would drop jamison from the deal and just do sessions.

[fallen xxi]

But do we really need Sessions? I'm better suited to satisfy a huge need with the pick then to give it up for a bench player, even if we do give up Diop.

[Chef]

But do we really need Sessions? I'm better suited to satisfy a huge need with the pick then to give it up for a bench player, even if we do give up Diop.

we need to get rid of our wasted money more than anything. we have 0 flexibility right now. that is one reason so many deals are directed at us and not us directing deals. i desperately would like to get rid of all of our over valued contracts that nobody would take outright for the player. this means carroll, diop, tyrus. diaw will go by himself as he is expiring and sort of a contributer and jax could go outright but isn't worth a salary dump. the #9 pick in most drafts and definitely this draft will not be a superstar and probably we are looking at a decent starter at best.

[SWedd523]

we need to get rid of our wasted money more than anything. we have 0 flexibility right now. that is one reason so many deals are directed at us and not us directing deals. i desperately would like to get rid of all of our over valued contracts that nobody would take outright for the player. this means carroll, diop, tyrus. diaw will go by himself as he is expiring and sort of a contributer and jax could go outright but isn't worth a salary dump. the #9 pick in most drafts and definitely this draft will not be a superstar and probably we are looking at a decent starter at best.
I thought that had more to do with our team sucking and not having much talent than money.

[fallen xxi]

Ok, and yes I do agree with what you're saying. But honestly, you're telling me right now that you are willing to give up the #9 pick (or a "decent starter" in your words) and Gana (who does need to go, I agree), for a bench PG? Sorry bro, I agree with the basis of your argument, but Sessions satisfies no needs for this team, that's my point. I'm willing to look for this "flexibility" elsewhere, is all I'm saying.

EDIT: Never mind, I thought he signed a new deal with the Cavs.

[Proudiddy]

All I know is that I REALLLY hope Diaw is gone by the end of the night.

[Chef]

Ok, and yes I do agree with what you're saying. But honestly, you're telling me right now that you are willing to give up the #9 pick (or a "decent starter" in your words) and Gana (who does need to go, I agree), for a bench PG? Sorry bro, I agree with the basis of your argument, but Sessions satisfies no needs for this team, that's my point. I'm willing to look for this "flexibility" elsewhere, is all I'm saying.

EDIT: Never mind, I thought he signed a new deal with the Cavs.

not just gana but carroll and tyrus in my dream scenario that frees up $0 mil next year because of sessions and jamison, $21mil the following year and 8.5 and 9 mil the following two years. the other scenario would be carroll and gana for sessions freeing up $7 and 10 mil the next two years. and to me that is worth what i see available at #9.

[Chef]

or what about this...take the houston deal for c.lee and their picks for #9. flip #14 and diop for tpe or #14 diop, carroll for sessions, tpe. then use the other 2 first rounders ourselves.

[fallen xxi]

I'd be cool with something like a Carrol/Gana and Tyrus with 9 for Sessions and/or Jamison, and an unprotected first rounder. I wonder if Cleveland would take that.

[TheLegend]

A fascinating game of cat-and-mouse has unfolded in the middle of the lottery, where the Cleveland Cavaliers, Detroit Pistons and Charlotte Bobcats are jockeying to get the players they want out of the 2011 draft.

Cleveland wants to draft 7-footer Jonas Valanciunas of Lithuania, but had a scenario where it could get him and also land the 19th overall pick belonging to the Bobcats, sources said. Charlotte has the ninth pick, and desperately wants Texas’ Tristan Thompson. The Bobcats believe that Thompson won’t get past Detroit with the eighth pick and need the Cavaliers to take him fourth. This way, Valanciunas, who may not be able to join the NBA until the 2012-13 season, would drop to Charlotte at nine, and owner Michael Jordan would trade Valanciunas – with the 18th overall pick – to the Cavaliers for Thompson.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Au6v0SnJF_svSRlBZOGQgMy8vLYF?slug=aw-wojnarowski_nba_draft_cavaliers_irving_062311

[Woody]

Cant post the article from my phone but in the updated yahoo article woj says were in talks w cle for them to draft tristian for us at 4 and us take jonas at 9. Then trade jonas and the 19th for tristan

[ohara831]

^^^^We cant be that freaking dumb, can we?

[spectre]

Cant post the article from my phone but in the updated yahoo article woj says were in talks w cle for them to draft tristian for us at 4 and us take jonas at 9. Then trade jonas and the 19th for tristan

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_nba_draft_cavaliers_irving_062311

This one?


The Cavaliers are intrigued with several players at No. 4 but have offered the pick in potential trades to teams in exchange for young forwards. Texas standout Tristan Thompson made a strong impact on Cleveland executives in a workout this week, and he’s a real possibility to be selected at the fourth spot. His agent happens to be Rich Paul, one of LeBron James’ (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3704/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3704/news) childhood friends and part of the Maverick Carter LRMR marketing company that created “The Decision.”

I don't see a mention of us in that.

[Woody]

I just think Tyrus and tristan or the same mold of player. Except tristan doesn't have the midrange. Everyone expects us to trade 1 of our picks tonight and im only down with doing that if we can get a young guy that can contribute now, or we get a unprotected pick next yr.

Edit:spec it was posted on the last page

[spectre]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Au6v0SnJF_svSRlBZOGQgMy8vLYF?slug=aw-wojnarowski_nba_draft_cavaliers_irving_062311

Ah...this one!

[ohara831]

If the Cats use both #9 and #19 for Tristan Thompson, they deserve to have the town quit on them. That would be the most one sided stupid deal in the history of the NBA.

[SWedd523]

Another PF, YESSSSS!!!


That would be our 6th on the roster if we resigned Dante

[spectre]

I just think Tyrus and tristan or the same mold of player. Except tristan doesn't have the midrange. Everyone expects us to trade 1 of our picks tonight and im only down with doing that if we can get a young guy that can contribute now, or we get a unprotected pick next yr.

Edit:spec it was posted on the last page

Per DX his best case is "Tyrus Thomas with better intangibles". Worst case: shorter Jordan Hill.

Sorry about the mix up Woody. I do need to check the previous page before I post!

[BRNC]

Ah...this one!

...which appears to be a duplication of talent (Tyrus and Tristan) when we actually need a center....wtf would we trade the (arguably) best C in this draft to duplicate another position...I only hope it is "smoke" so we get Jonas...but if we do that deal I give up due to "uncorrectable stupidity" at the highest level...

[spectre]

Another PF, YESSSSS!!!


That would be our 6th on the roster if we resigned Dante

You should know that if we don't resign Cunningham I'm definitely going to go "there".

[ohara831]

Would you consider trading Cavs #9 is they took Diop and Carroll with it, and sent us Eyenga, Harangody, #32 and #54?

[Plowright]

Were going to be like Fucking Minnisota just drafting shit loads of power forwards. I reckon we will prob go ahead and get Mirotic in the 2nd round and have a Rubio style problem. WE ARE THAT DUMB

[Woody]

Well now Det says joe dumars has given the ok to draft jonas at 8. WHEW. This draft is gonna be a mess and I think several guys we didn't expect to be available will be there at 9.

[ohara831]

This talk with Cavs and Tristan could be more involved. Houston is wanting Tristan real bad. Could be we do this deal to then trade Tristand to Houston for #14, #23 and a player.

I dont know. This is way to convoluted. I'm taking a nap.

[BRNC]

Would you consider trading Cavs #9 is they took Diop and Carroll with it, and sent us Eyenga, Harangody, #32 and #54?

...no we need talent and as much as I hate their contracts they both have expirings after next season...we desperately need talent to get better....and I mean really good talent...

[marino13882]

Yeah I love us Bobcats fans, we have to be the best knee jerkers in the NBA right?

[spectre]

...no we need talent and as much as I hate their contracts they both have expirings after next season...we desperately need talent to get better....and I mean really good talent...

Which begs the question...do we REALLY believe we'd be getting that at 9th?

[spectre]

Yeah I love us Bobcats fans, we have to be the best knee jerkers in the NBA right?

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Give that a look and then see if you still have that opinion!

[BRNC]

Which begs the question...do we REALLY believe we'd be getting that at 9th?

spectre...if we get Leonard or Jonas then absolutely...and it's starting to look like we might...

I hate the Hammer and Diop contracts but they're not that much longer...and when expiring they could be damned valuable...and it would be nice to get some value (at some point in time) for those two...:biggrin:

[marino13882]

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Give that a look and then see if you still have that opinion!

Raptors fans dont count lol