Hollinger:2011 Draft Rater

[BRNC]

Folks...I do not have ESPN Insider so I can't put specific player analysis but this is the list he has this year...

1. Kyrie Irving
2. Derrick Williams
3. Tristan Thompson
4. Jonas Valuncianas
5. Kawhi Leonard
6. Enes Kanter
7. Kemba Walker
8. Tobias Harris
9. Alec Burks
10. Jordan Hamilton
11. Bismack Biyombo
12. Brandon Knight
13. Tyler Honeycutt
14. Jon Leuer
15. Nikola Vucevic
16. Chris Singleton
17. Jan Vesely
18. Klay Thompson
19. Norris Cole
20. Iman Shumpert
21. Nikola Mirotic
22. Jimmer Fredette
23. Donatas Motiejunas
24. Greg Smith
25. Marcus Morris
26. JaJuan Johnson
27. Markieff Morris
28. Davis Bertans
29. Kenneth Faried
30. Jeremy Tyler
31. Jordan Williams
32. Bojan Bogdanovic
33. Darius Morris
34. Giorgi Shermadini
35. Reggie Jackson
36. Rick Jackson
37. Brad Wanamaker
38. Damian Saunders
39. Nolan Smith
40. Malcolm Thomas
41. Travis Leslie
42. Trey Thompkins
43. Malcolm Lee
44. Charles Jenkins
45. Cory Joseph
46. E’Twaun Moore
47. Josh Selby
48. Jacob Pullen
49. Justin Harper
50. Jimmy Butler
51. Matt Howard
52. Jamie Skeen
53. Jereme Richmond
54. Keith Benson
55. D.J. Kennedy
56. Marshon Brooks
57. Isaiah Thomas
58. Andrew Goudelouck
59. Lavoy Allen
60. Shelvin Mack

[docend24]

Hollinger is a joke. I've heard he even calculated rookie seasons PER of these players. I wonder based on what Kanter ones were done.

[polarcat]

Triston Thompson at 3 and Brandon Knight at 12?? Mmmmmmkay....

[dnbman]

Triston Thompson at 3 and Brandon Knight at 12?? Mmmmmmkay....

I have no idea what this list is, but a lot of people create two lists: a raw talent ranking and then a mock draft. Since team needs are often into account, those lists can vary widely. Don't know if that applies here or not.

[BRNC]

dnb...Hollinger "primarily" uses a statistical model...it is far from perfect and he keeps updating yearly...he claims to use the "eye test also" but with Biyombo in the top 20...I have my doubts...but basically he's trying to determine how players will "transfer" to the NBA and the success they'll have...

He's about as accurate as folk who use the "scouting" method...maybe a little less in some ways...

[adam187]

I wonder what the formula for this model is? Certainly it can't just be the same as PER, which I believe overvalues scoring. I feel like age must be factored in as well here. Without the formula though, this list isn't extremely helpful. Anyone know what it is?

No doubt Hollinger plugged the numbers in, got his list, left some names in unusual places to cause a little stir (Tristan Thompson, Tobias Harris), and then moved whatever ones he felt like with his "eye test" to make it seem more credible (what data from this year could he collect that puts Kyrie first???).