View Full Version : Trade with Bucks/Kings!
G Wuh Wuh Wuh Wallace
06-23-2011, 04:41 PM
chadfordinsider (http://twitter.com/#%21/chadfordinsider) Chad Ford
Deal: Bucks get Beno, Stephen Jackson Shaun Livingston and CHA 19. Bobcats get pick 7 & Maggette. Kings get 10 & John Salmons.
BlockParty
06-23-2011, 04:43 PM
So picking Kemba and Kawhi would still be my first choice of what to do with those two picks
Kawhi yes...we can get him at #9...but why the #7...not to get Walker who has been dropping like a rock...
G Wuh Wuh Wuh Wallace
06-23-2011, 04:48 PM
There is some speculation on livingston being in the deal I dont think its official at all yet.
BobCatsFanInTx
06-23-2011, 04:54 PM
The trade you have on here is how it went down and I like it just fine.
Source: Bucks get Udrih, S-Jax, and 19th. Charlotte gets 7th and Maggette. Kings get 10th and Salmons.
This is what I'm seeing...no mention of Shaun....
ammofan
06-23-2011, 04:58 PM
If we get TT instead of Bismack or Kawhi I will be pisssssseedddd!
G Wuh Wuh Wuh Wallace
06-23-2011, 04:59 PM
Looking at Corey Maggette's salary i am quite confused why we dumped jax in this deal their salaries are almost identical? And obviously jax is a better player. No hard feelings yet though im curious what we do from here....
BlockParty
06-23-2011, 04:59 PM
Kawhi yes...we can get him at #9...but why the #7...not to get Walker who has been dropping like a rock...
My thoughts were replacing Livingston's spot with a PG. If we get to keep Liv...say no to Kemba unless we have a trade in place (would rather have a high pick in next year's first round then Kemba....if we keep DJ and Liv)
uh...I guess to say we can make a trade...?
dnbman
06-23-2011, 05:00 PM
Looking at Corey Maggette's salary i am quite confused why we dumped jax in this deal their salaries are almost identical? And obviously jax is a better player. No hard feelings yet though im curious what we do from here....
We traded down with vet talent to trade up in the draft.
My thoughts were replacing Livingston's spot with a PG. If we get to keep Liv...say no to Kemba unless we have a trade in place (would rather have a high pick in next year's first round then Kemba....if we keep DJ and Liv)
Block...the stuff I'm reading now has no mention of Shaun...but I'll keep checking...
BlockParty
06-23-2011, 05:01 PM
Looking at Corey Maggette's salary i am quite confused why we dumped jax in this deal their salaries are almost identical? And obviously jax is a better player. No hard feelings yet though im curious what we do from here....
Rather than a dump of jax...it's a means to an end. Moving 'like assets' that positions us better now or in the future.
ammofan
06-23-2011, 05:02 PM
Draft bismack+kawhi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Block...correction...Ford saying Shaun is in the deal...
The Milwaukee Bucks (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/mil/milwaukee-bucks) have agreed in principle to a three-team trade with the Sacramento Kings (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/sac/sacramento-kings) and the Charlotte Bobcats (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/cha/charlotte-bobcats), multiple sources said Thursday.
The Bucks will get Sacramento's Beno Udrih (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2448/beno-udrih), Charlotte's Stephen Jackson (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/378/stephen-jackson) and Shaun Livingston (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2393/shaun-livingston) and the 19th pick from the Bobcats in Thursday night's draft, while Charlotte obtains the No. 7 pick from Sacramento and forward Corey Maggette (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/497/corey-maggette) from Milwaukee.
The Kings will get guard John Salmons (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/1726/john-salmons) from Milwaukee and the 10th pick in the draft. Charlotte will keep the No. 9 pick.
A source close to one of the teams told ESPN.com that other players might be added to the deal.
Trades made after 3 p.m. ET Thursday cannot be officially announced until the start of the NBA draft tonight (7:30, ESPN).
Chad Ford is the NBA Insider for ESPN.com.
that other players might be added to the deal. This part is interesting.....
BobCatsFanInTx
06-23-2011, 05:07 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBANever Mind.... I see this information was shared. As far as Maggette I think he is more than just a serviceable piece to the puzzle. He is not that far off from Stephen Jackson in my opinion and should he remain a Bobcat will do quite well under Paul Silas.
The Prodigy
06-23-2011, 05:07 PM
I like this very much. I have always like Magette, although he kind of stinks right now. But thats not the main point of the deal. That 7 pick is going to give us a very good starting young duo. I am very excited to see who we get. If we draft Bismack and Kemba I will need a change of shorts. If we do any combonation of Kahwi/Kemba/Bismack, I will still probably need to change my shorts.
WOOO
anton273
06-23-2011, 05:08 PM
Yeah ive just read that! Whats maggettes contract? For now it looks nice but depends who we get 7 and 9.
fallen xxi
06-23-2011, 05:09 PM
I think now that Jack is gone, we need to look for scorers. Kemba at 7 and Kawhi at 9 is the best option to suit our needs. Keep me as far away from Biyombo as possible! Dude is OVERRATED and as others have said, if we wanted a filler for blocks and rebounds, we can just play Diop! No reason to waste a pick in the top 10 on him when we need points on the board. If we draft Kemba we have the option to shop DJ which can end up in our favor for possibly a center...Kaman maybe if we threw Diaw in there?
moogamurph
06-23-2011, 05:10 PM
LOVE IT. Gotta get the picks right now.
BlockParty
06-23-2011, 05:12 PM
Cho basically shed about $2.5 mill of Bobcats' payroll while also moving up 12 spots in draft.
But...I bet the pick Kemba and Thompson....leaving Kawhi on the table and having Maggs as the starting SF.
And moving Livingston * his contract is only a plus if he gets hurt this upcoming year. He's a bargain for his size at $3.5M/yr if he's healthy.
Mark Deeks (http://twitter.com/ShamSports): In it's current guise, the trade saw Charlotte give out $31,059,582 and take on $34,706,012. now (http://twitter.com/ShamSports/statuses/84005679089729537)
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1Q8UW8VtZ
Ken Berger (http://twitter.com/KBerg_CBS): Word among execs is the Bobcats have moved up to 7 to select Bismack Biyombo. 2 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/KBerg_CBS/statuses/84005294916636672)
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1Q8UtgFR5
Mark Deeks (http://twitter.com/ShamSports): In it's current guise, the trade saw Charlotte give out $31,059,582 and take on $34,706,012. now (http://twitter.com/ShamSports/statuses/84005679089729537)
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1Q8UW8VtZ
Ken Berger (http://twitter.com/KBerg_CBS): Word among execs is the Bobcats have moved up to 7 to select Bismack Biyombo. 2 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/KBerg_CBS/statuses/84005294916636672)
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1Q8UtgFR5
most people are saying he will go to toronto at 5.
IshHappens
06-23-2011, 05:17 PM
Ken Berger (http://twitter.com/KBerg_CBS): Word among execs is the Bobcats have moved up to 7 to select Bismack Biyombo. 2 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/KBerg_CBS/statuses/84005294916636672)
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1Q8UtgFR5
:facepalm:
:facepalm:
that's my opinion if this is true...
The Prodigy
06-23-2011, 05:20 PM
Ken Berger (http://twitter.com/KBerg_CBS): Word among execs is the Bobcats have moved up to 7 to select Bismack Biyombo. 2 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/KBerg_CBS/statuses/84005294916636672)
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1Q8UtgFR5
:wootjump:
Justin Rogers (http://twitter.com/Justin_Rogers): Don't the Bobcats kind of already have a Tristan Thompson like player in Tyrus Thomas. Clearly not exactly the same, but similar. 1 minute ago (http://twitter.com/Justin_Rogers/statuses/84007740648865792)
stun704
06-23-2011, 05:23 PM
What if we traded the 9th pick for 14 and 23, then we would have 7,14,23.. Kemba, Vucveik/Byiombo, Jordan Hamilton/Marcus Morris/Marshoon Brooks???
Bobcat Matt
06-23-2011, 05:26 PM
jack -2 years 19
maggette - 2 years 21
a wash ...but we now have 2 top 10 picks...sportscenter just said "jack is not happy" --per bucher
What if we traded the 9th pick for 14 and 23, then we would have 7,14,23.. Kemba, Vucveik/Byiombo, Jordan Hamilton/Marcus Morris/Marshoon Brooks???
could happen...#7...#14...#23....#39 would work for me...depends on the picks but could work...
BobCatsFanInTx
06-23-2011, 05:30 PM
If we pick Bismack I will be sooo pissed. We do not need his skill set and we do not need another potential only type pick. We need scorers now and we can get a few defensive minded players later. Right now I am more about scoring some points. If this team is going to lose this season I would rather have some excitement with players who can score any number of ways and can play at a high tempo. Cho can blow all of us if he waste a pick on Bismack. Bismack may one day be a stud but as of now he is not the cornerstone of a rebuilding franchise. I hope and pray we are not strapped down to Bismack and his inevitable growing pains. I know all rookies have growing pains but guys like Bismack take longer to grow.
Bobcat Matt
06-23-2011, 05:30 PM
really hope we're not taking biyombo....has a buy out issue and is redundant to $40 mil man Thomas
adam187
06-23-2011, 05:33 PM
I just want to say it first:
CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edit: I mean that in a positive way.
Bobcat Matt
06-23-2011, 05:34 PM
haha, nice...not the same ring to it as KAAAAHHHNNN tho
LiquidWayno
06-23-2011, 05:34 PM
I really would prefer to take Leonard with the 7th pick, I think we know exactly what we are getting with him (supposedly Detroit made him a promise at 8). the 9th pick is where it gets interesting. Kemba? Bismack? (I think Knight goes to Toronto at 5, not Biyambo) Burks? Klay Thompson? I don't see much use in Tristan Thompson with our current roster.
anton273
06-23-2011, 05:39 PM
2 hours to go! might go watch a movie and hopefully come back to news that boris is leaving :)
ammofan
06-23-2011, 05:45 PM
2 hours to go! might go watch a movie and hopefully come back to news that boris is leaving :)
Your leaving the general area of the computer during a time like this?
anton273
06-23-2011, 05:51 PM
I left briefly but then i realised ive waited weeks for this! Its already 22:51 for me im in this for the long haul tonight!
BlockParty
06-23-2011, 06:09 PM
On ESPN Jeff van Gundy just said Charlotte went from mediocre to horrible with the trade by going young. That Milw changed the face of their team with a proven scorer of Jack and Sacramento makes out great.
douche nozzle comes to mind for JVG
kickazzz2000
06-23-2011, 06:10 PM
http://fourhorsementattoo.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/van-gundy.jpg
The Prodigy
06-23-2011, 06:11 PM
On ESPN Jeff van Gundy just said Charlotte went from mediocre to horrible with the trade by going young. That Milw changed the face of their team with a proven scorer of Jack and Sacramento makes out great.
douche nozzle comes to mind for JVG
A win-win-win situation!
The Kings end up looking like we usually do after this trade. I dont understand how it could possibly be a good deal for them.
dnbman
06-23-2011, 06:12 PM
On ESPN Jeff van Gundy just said Charlotte went from mediocre to horrible with the trade by going young. That Milw changed the face of their team with a proven scorer of Jack and Sacramento makes out great.
douche nozzle comes to mind for JVG
In a sense, he's right. Clear downgrade for what we have on the court next year. But, that's not our goal. We're sacrificing bishops and knights to try and get another queen on the board.
Here's what we need to be asking about our picks: What would Chris Paul want? (WWCPW)
CaptainJack1
06-23-2011, 06:13 PM
On ESPN Jeff van Gundy just said Charlotte went from mediocre to horrible with the trade by going young. That Milw changed the face of their team with a proven scorer of Jack and Sacramento makes out great.
douche nozzle comes to mind for JVG
x10. I can't stand that guy. I wish he would make some controversial comment so that we won't have to hear him on ESPN/ABC anymore.
TattoodCats4life
06-23-2011, 06:19 PM
I like this trade...bottom line... I think we draft a PF then we trade Diaw (now or at the deadline) we'll just have to see.
millst2
06-23-2011, 06:19 PM
i like the trade, not the strongest draft this year so moving up was a solid plan.
Jax and magette both can score 20ish on the bobcats squad so no loss there, i liked livingston.. but going young and hopefully more trades coming or someone falls to us.
and FJVG. The reason he doesnt coach is he is a mega douche. Idiotic. I cant stand him or mark jackson, their commentating on games drives me fukn crazy. Least we want have to hear
mark jackson saying.. " Oh mama, thats the ------ man taking his ball and driving it home like ,,, a,,, big ,,boy ,,, playing ...ball" AUGHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
skratch
06-23-2011, 06:20 PM
Atleast we don't have to deal with Jack crying to the refs every game, Im hearing Kemba has a bad knee, idk if i would even want him on the bobcats, i wish brandon knight would be available, the morris brothers were trash against VCU i dont see the hype
In a sense, he's right. Clear downgrade for what we have on the court next year. But, that's not our goal. We're sacrificing bishops and knights to try and get another queen on the board.
Here's what we need to be asking about our picks: What would Chris Paul want? (WWCPW)
i think it is an actual compliment. we say on here all the time you either want to be great or horrible and never mediocre.
Keetch
06-23-2011, 06:52 PM
Don't really care about SJax, Livingston or Maggette. They're all journeymen and expendable.
In my mind Cho just traded the 19th pick for the 7th.
Works for me.
dnbman
06-23-2011, 06:52 PM
i think it is an actual compliment. we say on here all the time you either want to be great or horrible and never mediocre.
Yeah, I didn't see his full quote about the perverse way we did better until later. So, yes. He's right!
dnbman
06-23-2011, 06:53 PM
Don't really care about SJax, Livingston or Maggette. They're all journeymen and expendable.
In my mind Cho just traded the 19th pick for the 7th.
Works for me.
Exactly. Twice.
ammofan
06-23-2011, 06:53 PM
Atleast we don't have to deal with Jack crying to the refs every game, Im hearing Kemba has a bad knee, idk if i would even want him on the bobcats, i wish brandon knight would be available, the morris brothers were trash against VCU i dont see the hype
There is a possibility that Knight drops to 7.
spectre
06-23-2011, 06:56 PM
There is a possibility that Knight drops to 7.
Doubt it...but that would be good!
Dunno if you guys know it or not, but when Maggette was with GSW they gave him the nickname "Bad Porn".
LiquidWayno
06-23-2011, 06:59 PM
Maggette can't defend nearly as well as Jackson, but he takes and makes some equally bad shots. Gets to the free throw line a bit too.
BobCatsFanInTx
06-23-2011, 08:37 PM
Fuck the Bobcats and Fuck Cho and his sorry ass. Of coarse this smacks of Michael Jordan and Silas not Cho. We did not need Bismack Biyombo and his "potential". I am not enamored with this draft. Kemba may turn out to be alright but Biyombo is a player we could have passed on. Diop looked pretty good before he went down with injury and he can do the things that is expected of Biyombo. Another scorer would have been best. Fuck this shit and forget bitchsmack.
Chrystos
06-23-2011, 08:42 PM
I was so scared we would pick Leonard. Thank God. I think Biyombo And Walker was the best situation for the cats. Now we have help on offense and defense. :yeah:
skratch
06-23-2011, 08:45 PM
Fuck the Bobcats and Fuck Cho and his sorry ass. Of coarse this smacks of Michael Jordan and Silas not Cho. We did not need Bismack Biyombo and his "potential". I am not enamored with this draft. Kemba may turn out to be alright but Biyombo is a player we could have passed on. Diop looked pretty good before he went down with injury and he can do the things that is expected of Biyombo. Another scorer would have been best. Fuck this shit and forget bitchsmack.
Lol, i dont see why we picked Bismack that high and they knew they were going to draft a PG, Brandon Knight was still available, we could of picked him at 7 and the bismack dude at 9. I dont even know who bismack is but he looked super small and hes 6'9, and they siad he cant shoot at all Great! Another player on the team who cant shoot, yeah nobody down low on the roster plays defense either but i dont trust foreign players. Kemba is "Ok" he has that "nigga" mentality which is cool and it means he's aggressive/winner (kinda like jack) and his chances of being a "bust" are low. But to me Kemba just brings life to the Team, cause he has the biggest fanbase out of all the players in the draft, hopefully ppl get to see him on TV (doubt it lol)
Ghost Kat
06-23-2011, 08:48 PM
I have no comment on this draft
Chrystos
06-23-2011, 08:54 PM
I am I the only one who is happy about this draft ???
Ghost Kat
06-23-2011, 09:29 PM
I am I the only one who is happy about this draft ???
Yes...........
Demon DeaCat
06-23-2011, 09:31 PM
I'm not in love with the picks. Unless we picked Walker with the hopes that he could be a piece in a possible trade deadline deal for CP, I don't think it's a good pick. He's not enough of an upgrade over DJ for me if the plan is to keep him. Given our dire need for perimeter shooting I don't know how we don't use one of these picks on Klay rather than duplicating what we already have with another small pg. And don't get me started on Biyombo. I can't believe we just spent the #7 pick on Diop version 2.0.
WFU4LIFE
06-23-2011, 09:48 PM
I am I the only one who is happy about this draft ???
No. I love the picks. Gives the Bobs something to look forward to, and some great young talent.
Boomer
06-23-2011, 10:28 PM
I like these moves, even though I love Jax (I know some people didn't but the guy is a leader and a winner and Maggette ain't a team guy).
However, the thing that I like the most is that these moves mean the FO is serious about getting high draft picks and developing young players...NOT wallowing in mediocrity for the next ten years.
I'm not sold on Kemba but I like Biyombo. Check out his highlights (and remember he's only like 18-19)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUxKzucNsTo
skratch
06-23-2011, 10:52 PM
smh i was hoping Jeremy Tyler's rights were to the bobcats
Black
06-23-2011, 11:11 PM
smh i was hoping Jeremy Tyler's rights were to the bobcats
Same here, I'm pretty pissed that we traded him.
AirCats
06-23-2011, 11:30 PM
I think this might be the bobcats best draft ever........
Chrystos
06-24-2011, 12:55 AM
Aww come on. Why would we trade Tyler for some cash !
BlockParty
06-24-2011, 05:38 AM
smh i was hoping Jeremy Tyler's rights were to the bobcats
Same here, I'm pretty pissed that we traded him.
Aww come on. Why would we trade Tyler for some cash !
We did it because it was $2Million in cash. It's possible that was part of the package in our 'war room'. MJ agrees to go total rebuild, but we would have to get something for the 2nd round pick. Apparently the 45th pick only brought $1 Million, 6 picks after ours.
take the 2 million, put it in a brief case. invite carroll to the locker room for a private meeting. have oak as boss with 2 goons convincingly show him that it is in his best interest to accept this money as a buyout.
dnbman
06-24-2011, 08:19 AM
take the 2 million, put it in a brief case. invite carroll to the locker room for a private meeting. have oak as boss with 2 goons convincingly show him that it is in his best interest to accept this money as a buyout.
I'll be happy if that take the money and buy freebies for the home owner: BB statues of him in the Stature of Liberty dunk pose. When you press a trigger on his back, the arm swings forward to complete the dunk and his eyes flash red.
By the way, anybody else feel like somebody is going to quietly take Maggette out of the back of the arena and put him down. I know he can contribute, but it seems like traded for a ghost.
BobCatsFanInTx
06-24-2011, 11:01 AM
Could have orchestrated a trade down as opposed to up and wound up with a project who could one day be an impact player. I don't think the talents from 7 to the early second round are really all that different. At least in terms of potential. If Biyombo is an instant impact I will happily be wrong but I just don't see the guy as being worth trading up all those spots. Maggette has not been worth a flip for several years and Livingston was a quality tall pg who's size came in handy. Stephen Jackson was wearing on us but lets face it he was not replaced by an improvement. If anything Corey Maggette is a step back. Let us hope Corey Maggette finds his younger self and is the offensive player we need him to be. I realize we are not going to make the playoffs but the building blocks of the future don't seem set with Maggette. If there are some intelligent and well thought out moves coming all of this will be irrelevant. As of now I am not sold on the idea that we needed to move up so many spots while giving up and getting what we got to do it. Fellas I am not trying to be a negative person but I am not sold on this trade and what we drafted. I realize this was a weak draft and to me that is all the more reason we did not need to move up. If anything we could have stayed pat or moved several spots back and still wound up with equal or better talent. I would rather we stayed pat or moved a few down from 19 and taken Marshon Brooks. He will be a solid pro and he probably will be better for the short term than Bismack Biyombo. I realize we are building but I would like us to be as good as a fifth seed by 2013-2014. Marshon or any scorer of that nature would be better set in my opinion to get us there than Bismack. These are just my opinions and opinions are like assholes and many times they are wrong. I am hoping mine are wrong.
The Prodigy
06-24-2011, 11:03 AM
Maybe that 2 million that we sold the pick for is going to be used in the Biyombo buyout?
spectre
06-24-2011, 02:18 PM
Maybe that 2 million that we sold the pick for is going to be used in the Biyombo buyout?
The max we could use in a buyout is 500k.
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out in regards to his ties to the former team. He said he "broke" the contract, insinuating they did something to warrant it. Now that team is suing him it appears.
BobCatsFanInTx
06-24-2011, 02:53 PM
I'm not in love with the picks. Unless we picked Walker with the hopes that he could be a piece in a possible trade deadline deal for CP, I don't think it's a good pick. He's not enough of an upgrade over DJ for me if the plan is to keep him. Given our dire need for perimeter shooting I don't know how we don't use one of these picks on Klay rather than duplicating what we already have with another small pg. And don't get me started on Biyombo. I can't believe we just spent the #7 pick on Diop version 2.0.I am so glad I am not the only one who sees things this way. Demon DeaCat let us hope we are wrong and the optimist are correct.
marino13882
06-24-2011, 02:53 PM
I read on a tweet from DX that the Spanish team constantly breeched Biyombo's contract, so getting him over won't be tough at all.
BobCatsFanInTx
06-24-2011, 03:06 PM
Atleast we don't have to deal with Jack crying to the refs every game, Im hearing Kemba has a bad knee, idk if i would even want him on the bobcats, i wish brandon knight would be available, the morris brothers were trash against VCU i dont see the hype(the morris brothers were trash against VCU i dont see the hype)
That was one game as opposed to their whole careers. I don't think they are basing their draft of players on one of their games.
Powered by vBulletin™ Version 4.0.6 Copyright © 2013 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.