Post Draft Trades

[Weezy21]

Okay now that we have drafted our players...what are some additional moves you would love to see happen? I know many of us want Diaw gone...some people have said now that we have Kemba, maybe we could shop DJ for a big man

What do u guys have in mind?

[Weezy21]

Pacers trade: Granger, Rush, Posey
Pacers get: Ellis and Diaw

C-Hibbert
PF-Diaw/Hansbrough
SF-George
SG-Ellis/Jones
PG-Collison/Hill

Most Pacer fans love Paul George and have him rated highly, so why not go another direction and move Granger for SG and let George start...they can move Posey for somebody who can actually play in Diaw...they also have plenty of room in free agency to get some more pieces

Bobcats trade: Diaw and 2nd rounder
Bobcats get: Dorell Wright

C-Kwame/Diop
PF-Tyrus/Biyombo
SF-Magette/Wright
SG-Henderson/Wright
PG-DJ/Kemba

Jackson and Wallace are gone and now Diaw finally gets moved...Coach Silas has kept saying they are looking for a young veteran and a good shooter to acquire...they didnt get a shooter in the draft, but they find one here...Bobcats were terrible at shooting last year, and Wright would be perfect coming off the bench

Warriors trade: Ellis and Wright
Warriors get: Granger, Rush, Bobcats 2nd rounder

C-Lee/Beidrins
PF-Udoh/Lee
SF-Granger/Klay
SG-Klay/Rush
PG-Curry

Take a look at the new and improved Warriors...they finally have a balanced roster...not to sound like a broken record but Ellis and Curry just wont get it done together...Granger fills the void at SF...Klay and Rush will be a nice SG duo...they also have more than $12 mill coming off the books so they can bolster up their front court and get a backup for Curry...last but not least, the Bobcats could easily be one of the 3 worst teams next year, so getting that 2nd rounder is basically like getting a low first

[Weezy21]

Diaw and DJ

for

Sign and trade Big Baby

[jazzer89]

Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe i overvalue those two players but i feel that we can do better than big baby.



Diaw and DJ

for

Sign and trade Big Baby

[bes628]

Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe i overvalue those two players but i feel that we can do better than big baby.

damn right we can. Im pretty sure he's a free agent anyways.

[Weezy21]

damn right we can. Im pretty sure he's a free agent anyways.

I said sign and trade...and yall r probably right...we could get more

I'd love to trade them for Jeff Green but i know the celtics would most likely never do that...and that too would have to be a sign and trade

[mrtarheel]

I had a three way with the Cavs and Houston in mind where Houston is trying to save money and the Cavs have the TPE. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=5rpx5gj Maybe even get a sg from the Cavs as they are loaded with them.

[ammofan]

I will welcome any trade to acquire a scoring center and a three point shooting 3 man while trading away Boris. Last night I sort of wanted DJ gone but now that I thought about it, I want to see what DJ can do with Kemba.

[The Prodigy]

I will welcome any trade to acquire a scoring center and a three point shooting 3 man while trading away Boris. Last night I sort of wanted DJ gone but now that I thought about it, I want to see what DJ can do with Kemba.

I agree. I dont think we need to trade DJ right now. There is no reason to thrust Kemba directly into the starting lineup, and im sure he can learn some from DJ about transitioning to the NBA as a small PG. I also believe that since Kemba is mainly a scorer, the two can be effective on the court at the same time.

On the other hand, I want Diaw gone. We have way too much depth at PF, and he would just take away time from the young guys. If we can trade him for a guy who will soak up some minutes at center, who doesnt cost us big money, im all for it.

[BlockParty]

The won't trade DJ until they have at least one more PG under contract, plus with Hendo hurt we could see DJ and Kemba in at the same time (Bismack would have to be on the floor to meet the opposing guards at the rim).

Diaw won't be moved until the trade deadline (if at all, his expiring has value to use also). He might be the best center we have on the roster (assumes BB is a PG and Kwame is not resigned).

I'm pretty sure Diop's parents (I hope they are still alive) wouldn't take his contract even if they owned an NBA team.

[Kemba2Hendo]

Okay now that we have drafted our players...what are some additional moves you would love to see happen? I know many of us want Diaw gone...some people have said now that we have Kemba, maybe we could shop DJ for a big man

What do u guys have in mind?

I'm not ready to totally put DJ out to pasture yet, Silas said something about finding a way to get them on the court at the same time earlier today. I know the Warriors had a running lineup with Monta Ellis at the 3 before, I see no reason why Hendo couldn't get some minutes at the 3.

[bes628]

I'm not ready to totally put DJ out to pasture yet, Silas said something about finding a way to get them on the court at the same time earlier today. I know the Warriors had a running lineup with Monta Ellis at the 3 before, I see no reason why Hendo couldn't get some minutes at the 3.

Are we really aiming to be the Warriors ?

(note: Im fully aware of ironic that statement is with my ambition to have Monta Ellis on this team)

[The Prodigy]

No, it is just possible for DJ and Kemba to play at the same time. We are looking to find ways to get more of our young guys on the floor at the same time. Thats all.

[SWedd523]

DJ and Kemba would get murdered, absolutely eviscerated on defense. They shouldn't ever play together unless the other team runs two PGs

[teej]

DJ and Kemba would get murdered, absolutely eviscerated on defense. They shouldn't ever play together unless the other team runs two PGs

You would've said the same thing about Barea/Terry/Kidd in the Finals, wouldn't you? Granted, anyone is better than DJ on defense, and Kidd is a very good defender, but Terry and Kemba are virtually the same, and DJ and Barea aren't THAT much different.

[Sublime]

How about this trade? My cousin thought of this up and he's the best NBA know it all I know. Only thing i don't like is trading T Thomas but I still think it's pretty good.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=64356lk

[SWedd523]

You would've said the same thing about Barea/Terry/Kidd in the Finals, wouldn't you? Granted, anyone is better than DJ on defense, and Kidd is a very good defender, but Terry and Kemba are virtually the same, and DJ and Barea aren't THAT much different.
Kidd is lightyears better than Kemba and DJ.

Him on Wade and Barea/Terry on which ever bum is playing PG. That's easy. The also have Marion who doesn't have to help off LeBron, Tyson who doesn't have to help off Bosh, and Dirk who doesn't have to help off whichever bum is playing C.


We don't have a defensive enough wing to cover for the deficiencies produced by a DJ/KW backcourt. And no, you don't play Hendo as a SF in that lineup.

[teej]

I meant when they played ALL THREE at the same time. Kidd played Small Forward.

They at multiple times trotted out JJ/Jet/Kidd/Marion/Dirk or JJ/Jet/Kidd/Dirk/Chandler against Miami. And they did it against OKC some too, that I saw.

[SWedd523]

For what it's worth: Barea, Terry, and Kidd, never saw floor time together with Marion and Dirk (per 82games) during the regular season. The only time those three were out together were with Dirk and Tyson. They don't have playoffs stats up yet though.


Don't know why they'd do it in the playoffs if it never happened in the regular season, and I don't recall seeing it myself. But I'll have to take your word for it.

[teej]

It might not have been Marion, but I thought it was. And the reason they did it in the playoffs is the same reason they did the move of Barea into the starting lineup for the Finals...Carlisle doesn't care about what has worked, he cares about what will work.

[spectre]

DJ and Kemba would get murdered, absolutely eviscerated on defense. They shouldn't ever play together unless the other team runs two PGs

I think so too.

Not saying they won't see time on the court together...but I have a hard time seeing it have a net positive in all but a very few situations.

I worry more about DJ going into a shell and killing what value he has.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1122245

There's a couple I'd do in that thread.

[stun704]

Kidd is lightyears better than Kemba and DJ.

Him on Wade and Barea/Terry on which ever bum is playing PG. That's easy. The also have Marion who doesn't have to help off LeBron, Tyson who doesn't have to help off Bosh, and Dirk who doesn't have to help off whichever bum is playing C.


We don't have a defensive enough wing to cover for the deficiencies produced by a DJ/KW backcourt. And no, you don't play Hendo as a SF in that lineup.
To be fair Hendo is a better defender then Kidd, and I remember him shutting down durant when he was guarding him last year.(Durant didn't go off until McGuire and Jax was guarding him)

[BlockParty]

I worry more about DJ going into a shell and killing what value he has.


We could threaten to bring Larry Brown back as his shrink if he starts slipping into his shell, that should wake his ass up.

[adam187]

Assuming Biyombo develops correctly, there are a couple of young-ish scoring bigs who could work well with him in my mind:

Al Jefferson, Brooke Lopez, Chris Bosh, Al Horford, David Lee, Kevin Love, Andrea Bargnani, maybe a few more. It would be pretty difficult to acquire most of these guys, but I would consider some of them, probably not now, but 2 or 3 years down the road, either through trades or free agent signings. Obviously we need a SF, but I think we will look to draft one next year.

[Chef]

Diaw and DJ

for

Sign and trade Big Baby

oh hell no

[Chef]

unless something too good to be true comes across our desks we should only entertain trades that shed long term salary specifically diop and carroll. right now i would consider moving dj to get rid of diop for a tpe and lesser young player. i would also entertain moving mags for two lesser contracts or tpe if we could get it as long as we don't have to move an asset.

[LiquidWayno]

I'm trying to think of teams that might be interested in DJ. Unfortunately, many of them are good teams that don't have a lot of assets (LA, NY, Miami). I fully expect the Jimmer experiement to fail in Sacremento so I think they could be a team we trade with down the line, as DJ could just hit open 3's while playing alongside Evans & Cousins. He protects the ball well, which is needed on their team.

[SWedd523]

To be fair Hendo is a better defender then Kidd, and I remember him shutting down durant when he was guarding him last year.(Durant didn't go off until McGuire and Jax was guarding him)
That's definitely true, but with their lineup, you have Dirk who can score from anywhere and all of the guards can drain the three so you can't help off. They present as many matchups on the offensive end as there may be on the defensive side.


I'm not saying DJ/Kemba can't play together. Just don't expect them to run it for more than 5 minutes every few games or so in the perfect matchup

[Chef]

To be fair Hendo is a better defender then Kidd, and I remember him shutting down durant when he was guarding him last year.(Durant didn't go off until McGuire and Jax was guarding him)

i am not too confident that hendo's hip will fully come back. hip injuries do not fair well on athletes. often time they can't regain athleticism to the same high level.

[spectre]

unless something too good to be true comes across our desks we should only entertain trades that shed long term salary specifically diop and carroll. right now i would consider moving dj to get rid of diop for a tpe and lesser young player. i would also entertain moving mags for two lesser contracts or tpe if we could get it as long as we don't have to move an asset.

I dunno. We're only talking a couple of years; when we're (supposedly) ready to start competing they all will either be expiring or off the books entirely. I'm thinking we should stick with an OKC type of model where we just keep accumulating young talent...maybe even eat a year or two of salary paired with a guy. We'll have some capspace next year (won't we?) assuming a non radical CBA, so let's use that.

I'd love to be taking young players off other teams' hands just because they can't afford the contract.

[mrtarheel]

Houston is said to want Beidrins from Golden State, why not make it a 3 way trade http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=65zl9gm. This gives us more young assets as Cho can say and a body for practice in Thabeet. Although he might thrive in a up in down system but he only has two yrs left on his contract at 4-5 mil so he won't hurt us that bad. Maybe even ask for a pick?

[ammofan]

Houston is said to want Beidrins from Golden State, why not make it a 3 way trade http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=65zl9gm. This gives us more young assets as Cho can say and a body for practice in Thabeet. Although he might thrive in a up in down system but he only has two yrs left on his contract at 4-5 mil so he won't hurt us that bad. Maybe even ask for a pick?

I love that trade. Get her done Cho!

[SWedd523]

Biedrins isn't worth Hill and Budinger.

[DUnit24]

That would be an excellent trade for us. No way it ever happens, but if we could get Thabeet, Hill and Budinger for Diaw - Cho will forever be a genious.

[spectre]

Charlotte - Sacramento...RGM Trade Board (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1122892)


Kings deal: Francisco Garcia (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1122892#) (2 years @ 12.5 Million ) and Omri Casspi (2 years @ 3.64 Million - 2 years left on rookie deal), Darnell Jackson (1 year @ 1.1 Million)
Bobcats deal: Tyrus Thomas (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1122892#) ( 4 years @ 33.4 Million) and Edurado Najera ( 1 year @ 2.75 Million)

I hate Tyrus' contract...but there a part of me that thinks he and BitchSmack could be a pretty darn good tandem together. If he could come back and stay healthy and make a few less stupid plays...

Jazz - Bobcats...RGM Trade Board (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1122969)


Jazz trade
Paul Millsap (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1122969#) (8.1, 8.6)
Raja Bell

Jazz receive
DJ Augustin
Corey Maggette
future 2nd round pick

I don't think they'd take Maggette...but how's about swapping him for Boris and losing that 2nd?

[BRNC]

If you switch to Doris then at least a 2nd for his expiring and DJ...

[Weezy21]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1123235

Not the best trade...but it could be something we could think about if this is gunna be Kemba's team

[spectre]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1123235

Not the best trade...but it could be something we could think about if this is gunna be Kemba's team

Kings giving up Evans?

Not gonna happen...esp. for that return.

I also think the DJ for Thompson ship has sailed, at least for the time being. Thompson's basically their only PF on the roster.

[ohara831]

nbadraft.net says the Jazz have the rights to the 2012 Warriors 1st round, Top 7 protected. Warriors were #11 this time, and will likely be in the #11-#14 pick next season. So if we could work a deal with them, getting that pick should be a major target. Even if we take back less in the players now, that pick can be huge. If we have what we expect to be out Lottery pick in 2012, as well as another late Lottery, in the 2012 draft, that will go a very long way towards completing the rebuild we have started. Honestly, I would give up DJ for a decent player and that pick. By decent, I mean a good player, not crap. Someone who will see solid minutes every game.

[spectre]

Who brought up the idea of a Barbosa/Boris swap?

That's growing on me.

[BRNC]

Who brought up the idea of a Barbosa/Boris swap?

I like this one also...both expiring...opens up the log-jam at the 4 and gives us depth at the 2 and some "punch" off the bench...Barbosa might end up off-and-on with injuries but I like it...we're not going any where next year so why not...and I'd love Doris outta here...

[SWedd523]

Who brought up the idea of a Barbosa/Boris swap?

That's growing on me.

Try it out on the RGM Trade Board, I'd like to see what kind of reception it gets. I like it too.

[ammofan]

Who brought up the idea of a Barbosa/Boris swap?

That's growing on me.

That was me :D

[Chef]

nbadraft.net says the Jazz have the rights to the 2012 Warriors 1st round, Top 7 protected. Warriors were #11 this time, and will likely be in the #11-#14 pick next season. So if we could work a deal with them, getting that pick should be a major target. Even if we take back less in the players now, that pick can be huge. If we have what we expect to be out Lottery pick in 2012, as well as another late Lottery, in the 2012 draft, that will go a very long way towards completing the rebuild we have started. Honestly, I would give up DJ for a decent player and that pick. By decent, I mean a good player, not crap. Someone who will see solid minutes every game.

to get that pick you are going to have to give up a player like dj or hendo and take on a two year contract they don't want. they know how valuable that pick, just as you and all of us do. it would be costly, but in my opinion worth it.

[ohara831]

DJ for Raja Bell or Gordon Hayward, as long as the Warriors 2012 1st is included. I'd take either one. Prefer Hayward as we could use a young SF, but Bell backing up Hendo is fine.

[Chef]

DJ for Raja Bell or Gordon Hayward, as long as the Warriors 2012 1st is included. I'd take either one. Prefer Hayward as we could use a young SF, but Bell backing up Hendo is fine.

they will laugh you off the phone with the hayward request. depending on their views of okur or jefferson it would most likely have to be dj or hendo and diaw for okur and the pick or add najera and we take jefferson. most likely it is okur. i don't think they move that pick though.

[polarcat]

As much as I want to hold onto DJ, if it equates to us getting a 10-15 pick in next year's draft (plus ridding us of Diaw), I'm in. This coming season is going to be one chock full of losses and the worse we are, the more likely we are to land Barnes or our franchise player in the '12 draft. Having a second pick in the lottery would probably add us another top-flight starter and possible fringe all-star since this draft is so stacked. We would have to add 2 pg's in free agency or via trade to back up Walker, but this plan has Cho's blueprint all over it. Even with DJ here, we are still picking in the top 5 picks next year, so it's not like we're hurting too much if he leaves. I am a DJ fan, but this Bobcats team looks nothing like it did over the past few years, so why not strip the whole thing down, and build it back up...... no need going half-ass.

[BRNC]

Okur is an expiring so I don't see the motivation for them trading an expiring for an expiring...and they're getting "somewhat" bereft of talent so I think they'd be asking (not giving) picks for Jefferson...

[Chef]

Okur is an expiring so I don't see the motivation for them trading an expiring for an expiring...and they're getting "somewhat" bereft of talent so I think they'd be asking (not giving) picks for Jefferson...

you are right. i misread hoopshype, the first category is for this past season still. so it would have to be jefferson (if they wanted out of his contract and go rebuild route). so it would probably have to be dj, diaw, najera and a future first for jefferson and GS 2012. that is the best we could do and i am pretty sure they wouldn't do it.

[Scottley Crue]

Who brought up the idea of a Barbosa/Boris swap?

That's growing on me.

That idea makes quite a bit of sense for both teams. I'm not sure if Boris could net more (i.e. a draft pick), but we may have to take back a salary we don't want to get said draft pick. With that, I can go for a Boris/Barbosa trade. They do seem to like Boris and Barbosa can put points on the board. With the team we currently have, I'll take him to help with scoring. He's also an expiring and won't really mess up this rebuilding thing we have going on. I like it. I approve. Let's go forward with this.

[spectre]

Try it out on the RGM Trade Board, I'd like to see what kind of reception it gets. I like it too.

Bobcats - Raptors (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1123345)

This could be interesting. We know their FO is interested in Boris...but the first comment wants us to either take on Kleiza or add a 2nd!

[SWedd523]

I just read those before seeing this thread lol

1. you know how Craptor fans are on RGM
2. I kind of agree, Boris doesn't have much of a place on that depth chart, though he is better than half the guys they listed would be above him