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Proudiddy
07-15-2011, 10:55 PM
Finally, a well-respected, intelligent, and informed article on realistic contraction possibilities. I like the number of teams we have right now in the league, and I hate for any city to feel the way we did when the Hornets were taken from us - except for New Orleans. But, I'm not gonna lie, if some of these teams Berg mentioned are contracted, wow, it would be awesome to have a chance to get a guy like Love, Rubio, Granger, etc.

As a side note, Berg mentions the Hornets as pretty much being a prime candidate to get contracted above all the others - how awesome would it be to get Paul or one of the other players I mentioned, AND get the Hornets name/logo back? (I don't have a problem with staying as the 'Cats, but I would love to be the Hornets again too).

Anyway, here it is:

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/15322847/given-honest-criteria-other-teams-could-join-hornets-in-contraction


In addition to the New Orleans Hornets' obvious candidacy for contraction, what other NBA teams should be on the chopping block as the league seeks relief from hundreds of millions in annual losses?

The NBA uses a formula developed by consulting group McKinsey & Co. that handicaps how teams are performing on and off the court given the size of their markets and available resources. This would be the place to start, though the NBA does not divulge the results of the annual study -- which it uses to dole out a portion of luxury tax and revenue-sharing funds.

The criteria, therefore, must be fairly straightforward, though the order of importance might vary depending on the team:
1) Total local revenues: If a team cannot avoid deep losses, even with substantial revenue assistance from healthier teams, it should be considered for contraction.

2) Annual losses: The teams that are losing the most money undoubtedly are being squeezed by a combination of inadequate local revenues and mismanagement. Both should count.

3) Market size, as defined by number of TV households, since that measurement has a direct correlation to the local broadcast revenues a team can earn.

4) Arena lease terms: As deserving as a team may be for contraction, if the penalty for breaking the lease with its arena is cost-prohibitive, it has to be scratched off the list.

The Hornets, now owned by the NBA, pass the test with flying colors --

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Memphis, the second smallest TV market in the league after New Orleans, would be second or third on my list if not for a lease agreement with FedEx Forum that reportedly is almost impossible to break. Ditto for Charlotte; as the New Orleans experience has taught us, the NBA never should have expanded there in the first place. But the new franchise is owned by, you know, Michael Jordan, and besides the fact that nobody contracts Michael Jordan, the lease with Time Warner Cable Arena empowers the city to seek an injunction forcing the team to honors its commitment or pay $150 million in liquidated damages. So the Bobcats are safe.

With that in mind, which other teams should be considered legitimate candidates to join New Orleans in my two-team contraction plan, if only owners would seriously consider it?

... (continued with list)


P.S. Berger is awesome.

dnbman
07-16-2011, 03:27 AM
But, why does he say the "the NBA never should have expanded there in the first place?" The Hornets were a tremendous success for a long time.

SWedd523
07-16-2011, 10:03 AM
Beats me. Why would you NOT have a pro team in the best basketball area in the country?

Thomas Beck
07-16-2011, 10:20 AM
this goes back to my theory that the nba is slighted towards certain markets. Instead of a cba that would spread the talent around the league theyd rather contract? Dumps...the nba need to make it possible for small market teams to compete in free agency....then the wins go up and the seats fill...unless you draft a lebron, paul or durant you're fucked as a small market team. The new cba needs to address this or theyll need to retract to keep the current supertam nba in place...

GoBobs
07-16-2011, 11:04 AM
The NBA doesn't care any more about small market teams then baseball cares about the Pirates or the Orioles.

Scottley Crue
07-16-2011, 12:22 PM
I highly, highly, highly doubt any team(s) will be contracted. I don't think any pro sports league is in the business of contracting teams nowadays. This is just part of what Berger puts forth as a new plan for the NBA, which for him, includes contraction.

I do believe the owners are working towards more competitive balance in this new CBA. Time will tell what actually comes of it, but it does appear to be a significant issue in these negotiations from everything I've read.

Chef
07-16-2011, 02:18 PM
Beats me. Why would you NOT have a pro team in the best basketball area in the country?

correction: best college basketball area in the country.

Chef
07-16-2011, 02:22 PM
this goes back to my theory that the nba is slighted towards certain markets. Instead of a cba that would spread the talent around the league theyd rather contract? Dumps...the nba need to make it possible for small market teams to compete in free agency....then the wins go up and the seats fill...unless you draft a lebron, paul or durant you're fucked as a small market team. The new cba needs to address this or theyll need to retract to keep the current supertam nba in place...

my loyalties to the bobcats aside, i agree with the nba. i would rather watch 20 really good teams than 32 diluted teams. it would make for much better basketball.

SWedd523
07-16-2011, 04:52 PM
correction: best college basketball area in the country.

Coaches: Rick Barnes, Nate McMillan, Alvin Gentry

PG: Chris Paul/Sleepy Floyd/Darrell Armstrong
SG: Michael Jordan/David Thompson/Ray Allen
SF: Dominique Wilkins/James Worthy/Walter Davis
PF: Kevin Garnett/Bob McAdoo/Alex English
C: Brad Daugherty/Walt Bellamy/Larry Nance


(Not listed: Steph Curry, Raymond Felton, Phil Ford, Bobby Jackson, John Wall, Sam Jones, Meadowlark Lemon, Jerry Stackhouse, ML Carr, Bobby Jones, Antawn Jamison, Cedric Maxwell, Brendan Haywood, and Jermaine O'Neal)


I'd put that Carolina team up against anybody.

CaptainJack1
07-16-2011, 05:32 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the T-Wolves move in the next 3-5 years. Everyone mentions the Hornets and Kings but the Wolves I think are just as likely to pack up and leave. Interestingly, there was a proposal to move them to New Orleans in the 90's. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Timberwolves_failed_relocation_to_New_Or leans

I highly doubt any team gets contracted. Although the selection of cities available for a team is slim right now.

The Prodigy
07-16-2011, 05:32 PM
Ricky Rubio stinks

SWedd523
07-16-2011, 05:33 PM
If any two teams get contracted it's New Orleans and Sacramento.

Thomas Beck
07-18-2011, 12:18 PM
my loyalties to the bobcats aside, i agree with the nba. i would rather watch 20 really good teams than 32 diluted teams. it would make for much better basketball.

I agree with you watered down ball is boring. Watered down basketball is called NCAA mens basketball.

If i were to argue I would say that the all-star game sucks balls as a competitive endeavour so theres a point where too many stars on teams leads to complacency and lazy play. also in the addition of eight teams since 1976 shouldnt water the game down too much considering the global popularity that the game has achieved since then.

The nba should just remove the illusionary salary caps and take an MLB type of approach...let the yankees win every year...if thats really what you want to see. But dont pretend the small markets are treated fairly.

I personally like the Idea of a league where a nobody can make a difference.

WAM9
07-18-2011, 03:58 PM
I agree with you watered down ball is boring. Watered down basketball is called NCAA mens basketball.

If i were to argue I would say that the all-star game sucks balls as a competitive endeavour so theres a point where too many stars on teams leads to complacency and lazy play. also in the addition of eight teams since 1976 shouldnt water the game down too much considering the global popularity that the game has achieved since then.

The nba should just remove the illusionary salary caps and take an MLB type of approach...let the yankees win every year...if thats really what you want to see. But dont pretend the small markets are treated fairly.

I personally like the Idea of a league where a nobody can make a difference.

I assume that this post is filled with sacasm...

If not, then let me know so we can discuss it.

New Orleans is the team most likely to be contracted with Sacramento and Minnesota close behind. At the end of the day, it has more to do with the arena deal than anything else. The ownership situation of NO would be the exception to that.

With that being said, I think there is a very small chance of any contraction at all.

TheBeagle
07-18-2011, 05:31 PM
But, why does he say the "the NBA never should have expanded there in the first place?" The Hornets were a tremendous success for a long time. Yeah, I was scratching my head over the same thing. Maybe if he'd written, "the NBA never should have expanded there with George Shinn" it would've made sense, otherwise, that was way off base.


I'm impressed the Pacers aren't on the list. Conseco looks like a ghost town most games I've seen on tv, and that playoff embarrassment last year with the arena having more Bulls fans than Pacers fans by a lot shows they have very poor support. Because they're an old ABA team I'm glad they aren't in the discussions, but I wonder how they're making ends meet.

teej
07-19-2011, 04:23 AM
but I wonder how they're making ends meet.

They aren't.

They're in one of the worst situations financially as far as the teams go. I don't think they'll have to worry about bankruptcy because as far as I can tell the owner is pretty set, but IIRC they're one of the teams that got a loan from the league.

Thomas Beck
07-20-2011, 05:21 PM
They aren't.

They're in one of the worst situations financially as far as the teams go. I don't think they'll have to worry about bankruptcy because as far as I can tell the owner is pretty set, but IIRC they're one of the teams that got a loan from the league.

Really? They got loans from the league?

Thomas Beck
07-20-2011, 05:28 PM
I assume that this post is filled with sacasm...

If not, then let me know so we can discuss it.

New Orleans is the team most likely to be contracted with Sacramento and Minnesota close behind. At the end of the day, it has more to do with the arena deal than anything else. The ownership situation of NO would be the exception to that.

With that being said, I think there is a very small chance of any contraction at all.

No no sacasm just mad sarcasm...except that bit about the all star game sucking as a competition. Until the 4th quarter that is...otherwise its three quarters of the and1 mixtape tour...and the bit about the cap being an illusion that doesnt really exist....I meant that too.

The Idea for contraction is hair brained to me...unless you contract to eight teams...The nba believes they have too much of a good product to spread around...I beleive the theyre pushing a substandard product. Make a level playing field with the new CBA or go the MLB way....have the same teams win every year and revenue share...that can help keep ticket prices down in small markets while allowing the major markets to prosper...

teej
07-20-2011, 11:09 PM
Really? They got loans from the league?

Yeah, along with the 'Cats, Bucks, Hornets, and a few others. It's not technically from the NBA, but rather a better rate than normally available through whatever bank the NBA works with.