G Henderson

[dav7z]

G Henderson rising star or just a bust .

http://twitter.com/#!/RealBobcatMatt/status/111561487310524417

Ranked 242 in player rankings sounds like hes a bust . But this guy shows signs of being a star .
Lets wake this dead board up .
What is you guys expections from this DUKE player ?

[SWedd523]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5MLtTHtPzQ


Looks healthy to me

[dav7z]

Nice viedo , His jumper looks solid . It looks like his midrange game is getting better . M J made a statement last year Hendo would become a star . But im still thinking at best hes a poor mans R Bell?????

[Dcarnys]

This season (whenever it is) is gonna determine alot about Hendo's future. He has the athleticism and the defensive presence. Can he become a better shooter and become more of a leader to the team. I think he has it in him.

[superb1]

The opportunity is there for him. He is going to have to seize it. There are no stars on this team, so he can assert himself, use his talents and become a star. It is up to him.

[ziggy]

It's way, WAY to early to consider Hendo a bust by any means. As long as he is truly healthy and the hip and knee aren't a problem then I expect a very solid season from him

[dav7z]

It's way, WAY to early to consider Hendo a bust by any means. As long as he is truly healthy and the hip and knee aren't a problem then I expect a very solid season from him

Being ranked 242 , means the NBA is saying he shouldn't be a top 8 player on any team . Its many reserve 2s considered better than him . But he is 3 year removed from DUKE so might be able to elevate his game by now..

[Toocool]

He looks good. Mechanics and jumper looks solid, let's hope he can hit that 3 ball more often now, would open up his game so much more since they have to guard him shooting a 3, giving him more space to drive.

[dav7z]

He looks good. Mechanics and jumper looks solid, let's hope he can hit that 3 ball more often now, would open up his game so much more since they have to guard him shooting a 3, giving him more space to drive.
I;ll be honset about my thoughts on Hendo . Im old, real old and he reminds me of a poor mans MJ . A few reasons why
1st He has great lift on his jumper . Mike like , it started falling at a good clip late last season all so .
2nd He has the ability to hang in the when attacking the rim no where near as long as MIKE but long enough to get his shot off.
3RD Late last season he made lots of clutch shots . Showing hes not affraid of presure[attitude] all so a qiility MIKE was the best at.
4TH It took 4 or 5 seasons be for the 3 ball was a threat for MIKE . If Hendo adds that like hes wanting hes going to be tough to stop.
5th With a improved handle getting to the hole and a ability to go to either side . Would take him two star status.
6th He has the ability to include and make his team mates better . A team player
He has the attitude and work ethic to reach all thease goals . With confidence he could be very good .

[spectre]

Piggybacking this here since we don't have a "What are Bobcats players doing during the lockout" thread:

http://www.examiner.com/atlanta-hawks-in-atlanta/johnson-to-join-uso-tour-and-overseas-tour


Hawks All-Stars Joe Johnson and Al Horford may be joining other NBA stars in a barnstorming tour overseas.

A USO tour (http://www.iamagm.com/news/2011/10/18/several.nba.players.going.usoarmed.forces.entertai nment.tour.highlighted.derrick), as part of the "Hoops for Troops (http://www.khon2.com/news/local/story/Hoops-for-Troops-brings-NBA-stars-to-Hawaii/SZ5PnjypqUab_xfPfqYx9Q.cspx?rss=3030)" program, will be coming to Hawaii and brining several NBA players to conduct clinics and meetups with soldiers, their families, and fans.

So far, the list of players (in addition to Horford and Johnson) includes Heat guard Mike Miller, Bobcats guard D.J. Augustin, Wizards center Javale McGee, and league MVP and Bullg guard Derrick Rose. The players will be in Hawaii from October 23 through 28.

[spectre]

BTW...my thoughts on Hendo.

He's been injured a lot but he has shown some promise. He's on a rookie deal so I don't see any problem with giving him another year to prove he's part of our building blocks.

I wouldn't be averse to trading him if the value was right; that being said I don't think he'll net that now until he shows he can stay on the court and produce consistently.

[SWedd523]

As of now, I'll continue to say I'm not sold on him. On our list of needs, SG is third.

SF
PF/C (wherever Bismack doesn't play)
SG


We only have two positions locked away for the future in my eyes. That's not to say that Kemba and Bismack's game are what I look for in their positions, but they're newer toys, so they have the longest leash

[dav7z]

As of now, I'll continue to say I'm not sold on him. On our list of needs, SG is third.

SF
PF/C (wherever Bismack doesn't play)
SG




We only have two positions locked away for the future in my eyes. That's not to say that Kemba and Bismack's game are what I look for in their positions, but they're newer toys, so they have the longest leash

As fo Hendo he has no starting competion . Increased playing time along should increase his value. THOUGHTS
We both know our roster sucks big time . And the only reason this thread is alive is because it's no basketball to talk about.
Spectre , Sweed, Toocool, or any other member.
Thoughts on the starting five ?WHO? And if this is the worst roster of the 30 teams . If not haw bad are we?

[spectre]

PG - Big homer for Kemba. I'm firmly in the "move DJ ASAP" camp and bringing in a vet combo. He needs to be the "face" and fill that huge void we created when we moved Crash.

SG - Hendo's by default unless we can get another prospect in. Due to our situation I'm ok with that for now, but I'd certainly not overlook any opportunity to try and upgrade the position. Be nice to get him some competition in here soon.

SF - Bad Porn/Dante Cunningham. That's pretty sad and is obviously our worst spot currently. No. 1 priority IMO. I see Dante as a 6th man best case and that's about it.

PF - Boris/Tyrus/DJ. Boris will help us win more games than I'd want, but we have to have someone on the roster that will push us more to a "team" game. DJ is like Dante as I only see a bench guy. Tyrus...personally I'm getting really close to just calling him another blunder by our FO. Living off potential is good for the first couple of years, but what he's making he needs to give us some consistency.

Priority #2.

C - Smack. I love this guy, but he's young and fairly raw (tho not as much as has been advertised IMO). Kwame is going to be in high demand this offseason so I don't know that we can count on retaining him. Thing is Smack might not even make it over...so we might have to overpay Kwame anyway.

I'd rank this after SG...but this is probably our first "worry" for the upcoming season.

So for the future SF, PF & SG. For this season a C for sure.

[dav7z]

PG - Big homer for Kemba. I'm firmly in the "move DJ ASAP" camp and bringing in a vet combo. He needs to be the "face" and fill that huge void we created when we moved Crash.

SG - Hendo's by default unless we can get another prospect in. Due to our situation I'm ok with that for now, but I'd certainly not overlook any opportunity to try and upgrade the position. Be nice to get him some competition in here soon.

SF - Bad Porn/Dante Cunningham. That's pretty sad and is obviously our worst spot currently. No. 1 priority IMO. I see Dante as a 6th man best case and that's about it.

PF - Boris/Tyrus/DJ. Boris will help us win more games than I'd want, but we have to have someone on the roster that will push us more to a "team" game. DJ is like Dante as I only see a bench guy. Tyrus...personally I'm getting really close to just calling him another blunder by our FO. Living off potential is good for the first couple of years, but what he's making he needs to give us some consistency.

Priority #2.

C - Smack. I love this guy, but he's young and fairly raw (tho not as much as has been advertised IMO). Kwame is going to be in high demand this offseason so I don't know that we can count on retaining him. Thing is Smack might not even make it over...so we might have to overpay Kwame anyway.

I'd rank this after SG...but this is probably our first "worry" for the upcoming season.

So for the future SF, PF & SG. For this season a C for sure.
Great post WITH LOTS OF INSIGHT.
Do you see any role for DJ White , and your thoughts on MAGGS

[spectre]

Great post WITH LOTS OF INSIGHT.
Do you see any role for DJ White , and your thoughts on MAGGS

Yeah I'd be fine with DJ as 1st PF off the bench. He has a pretty good midrange game and he seems to put forth good effort. I just don't know that Tyrus is going to be what we want as the guy in front of him, and I don't think DJ has what we'd want to really supplant him.

I see Bad Porn as the cost to get Smack...from that perspective I'm happy we got him. I think he's going to kill team ball tho, so even if he does help us lose by being a black hole I'd look to get rid of him as soon as we can. Hopefully he'll pad the hell out of his stats with us and make someone want him. He only has 2 more years including this one...so that shouldn't be too far fetched.

[SWedd523]

I'll go a step farther:


DJ / Hendo / Maggs / Tyrus / Kwame (hopefully)


Will be the starters whenever Day 1 comes around. I really think Silas will have had enough with Boris' shenanigans and demote him to the bench.

[SWedd523]

As for a depth chart:


PG: DJ (35) / Kemba (25)
SG: Hendo (35) / Hammer (10)
SF: Maggs (35) / Dante (15)
PF: Tyrus (25) / Boris (30) / DJ (5)
CE: Kwame (25) / Smack (15) /Diop (5)


Those minutes are approximations of course.



Kemba is going to see a few minutes with DJ every night. Not a lot, but enough to see who emerges as the alpha.

Hendo is going to be eased into his minutes as he continues to rehab, so expect to see Hammer log around 20 every night (:facepalm:).

I really expect us to sign a PG/SG similar to Flip or Hughes to keep Hammer off the floor and ease Kemba into the playmaking role.

Maggs will log heavy minutes as the young guys come into their own. Dante's minutes will be inconsistent as his PT will depend on how hot or cold Maggs is.

I also expect us to bring in another guy like McGuire to get 5 or so spot minutes.

Tyrus is going to officially take the starting PF spot but won't see big minutes unless he can stay out of foul trouble. If he stays clean, he'll get 30+ at both PF/C. If not, then DJ's minutes will go up.

Diaw will get his 30 or so minutes a night regardless as he's simply not as bad as some of the other guys on the roster. Look for him to log some minutes at C as well.

Kwame will get his 25 or so minutes of nothing special...

Smack won't get much PT (if he even comes over) due to inevitable foul trouble. He simply has too much to learn to be super effective from the get go and will need a couple of years before we can expect him to do anything special. He'll go for something like 5/5/1 over the season and people will likely call him a bust :rolleyes:

[SWedd523]

Now time for the "How bad are we?" question:



Celtics
Knicks
Bulls
Hawks
Heat
Magic
Clippers
Lakers
Mavericks
Grizzlies
Spurs
Thunder
Blazers


In no order...... are pretty clearly better than us.


That leaves:


Nets
76ers
Craptors
Cavaliers
Pistons
Pacers
Bucks
Wizards
Warriors
Suns
Kings
Rockets
Hornets
Nuggets
Timberwolves
Jazz


That can be debated about.


I'm confident in saying:


76ers
Pacers
Warriors
Hornets (if CP3 stays)
Jazz
Bucks
Rockets
Suns (if Nash stays)


Are slightly to moderately better than us. Leaving:


Nets
Craptors
Cavaliers
Pistons
Wizards
Kings
Nuggets
Timberwolves


That are all around our level

[SWedd523]

So let's break those teams down! First off, I'll start by saying the majority of these teams have more collective talent than we do. But a problem with a lot of these teams is that "Loser's Mentality" where the culture in those cities is just so negative that it's hard to be a good team.


Nets
Deron and Brook are where this team begins and ends. I know Brook Is a softy and everything, but he's still a top 5ish Center out there. There isn't much talent other than these two and the rookie Marshon Brooks.

Craptors
DeRozan is probably the best player on this team, which says a lot for the lack of talent. Bargnani gets 18 points but gives up 25. Caleron is a matador, and the rest of the team isn't anything special. I do like Ed Davis' potential though.

Cavaliers
Kyrie, Baron (if they play him there), Jamison, Thompson, Varejao is okay as a starting unit. Casspi, Sessions, and Gibson are okay role players. But nobody is a game changer so this team won't win too many.

Pistons
Gigantic clusterfuck. Until they figure out how to be a team, they won't be good.

Wizards
I think John Wall is going to have a break out year. If Blatche and McGee would learn how to use their noggins then they'd be a great frontcourt. I like Singleton and Mack but I'm not sold on that Vesely kid. This team is hard to figure out because I can see them going for at least 35 wins as easily as they go for 20.

Kings
Starting unit of Tyreke, Thornton, Salmons, Hickson, Cousins, and Thompson (6th man) has a ton of talent. But after them, where do you go? Garcia? Greene? I don't think Jimmer is a difference maker and Honeycutt won't get many minutes.

Nuggets
Talk about depleted. Lawson and Gallinari are just about the only worthwhile players on this team under contract. Bringing Afflalo back would be a great start and people seem to think Mozgov has some value. I like the pickups of Faried and Hamilton but both guys are too yound to make much of an impact

Timberwolves
Probably have as much talent as just about any other team in the league. Unfortunately, they just love to suck and have been the worst team in the league since KG left. Beasley, Love, Johnson, Rubio, Randolph, Williams, are all young and skilled. They're in a similar situation as Washington. Can go for 35 or 15... up to them.



If I had to wager, I'd rank all these teams (including us) from worst to best, it'd be


1. Craptors
2. Bobcats
3. Nuggets
4. Cavaliers
5. Pistons
6. Timberwolves
7. Kings
8. Wizards
9. Nets

[ziggy]

I see Bad Porn as the cost to get Smack...

Is there really such a thing as BAD porn? Wouldn't all porn be considered good and a benefit to society? :g:

[SWedd523]

is there really such a thing as bad porn?
yes


wouldn't all porn be considered good and a benefit to society? :g:
no

[ziggy]

Ron Jeremy begs to differ.

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/resources/2006/11/ron%20jeremy.jpg

[Toocool]

Finally some good discussion :biggrin:

PG - Kemba/DJ. I like DJ, I like what he can do, but Kemba is the future. No doubt about it. DJ backs him up, probably will start the season with DJ though.

SG - Henderson/Carroll. Hendo got playing time last year and he delivered. His jumper looks to be improving as well as his ball handling, and he looks like he's been moving freely. Probably will start off slow, but I look to him to be a nice 3rd option or so on offense. Hammer to give backup minutes.

SF - Maggy/DC. Maggette to do this thing, hopefully can get back to his old years, but he's rather old now. DC is a nice roleplayer, will certainly do his thing and give us some good minutes.

PF - Tyrus/Diaw/DJ. Tyrus to start and get consistent minutes, breakout season God willing. Diaw to give him backup minutes and to shift over to C (his love fats are good for one thing, defending centers). DJ to give roleplayer minutes.

C - Brown/Diaw/Smack. Brown to give his solid contributions, wouldn't be surprised to see an increase in scoring to 10 ppg. Diaw to backup minutes, Smack for development minutes, whenever that will be.

What we need:
1. A Center. Smack will be several years away from producing at a high level besides defense, and we all know that everyone in BCP is secretly praying that he'll grow another 3 feet to hit 7".
2. Small Forward. Maggy is getting on in the years, need to address that definately. DC is good for roleplayer minutes, dont see him as a starter though.


Where are we?
Best to Worse

1. Timberwolves (Love, Beasley, Johnson, Rubio. Have the talent)
2. Nuggets (I think it depends completely on whether they're able to resign Nene. If so, they keep this spot. If not, they go down several spots)
3. Nets (D.Will is good enough to carry the Nets with Lopez and Kardashian)
4. Bobcats (Us, hooray)
5. Cavaliers (Irving, that 4th pick dude that no one thought he would go at, The Bearded One, Flopper and Jamison. It's not bad, it's not THAT good either)
6. Bucks (Until Jennings learns to pass and not take stupid ass shots and shoot a low FG percentage [remind you of anyone that used to play for the Bobcats?] and the team actually passes to Bogut in the post, they'll be around here)
7. Raptors (Barg will score 20, won't play defense and get dominated by other high octane rebounders. DeRozan is meh, at best probably will be Igoudala, not some scoring champion that everyone on RealGM thinks he will become. Take that RealGM, come at me in an aggressive manner, male sibling)
8. Kings (Hickson tried, and failed to produce on the 'hype' surrounding him last season. Tyreke is a great player but regressed last year, still good though. Besides that, Cousins and Thornton give them some depth. Ranked here, but their future looks better)
9. Wizards (Wall is good. McGee is overrated. Blatche is a headcase. Placed here for inconsistency)
10. Pistons (Until they ever get the stability they had in the LB years, will be right here)

[superb1]

Finally some good discussion :biggrin:

PG - Kemba/DJ. I like DJ, I like what he can do, but Kemba is the future. No doubt about it. DJ backs him up, probably will start the season with DJ though.

SG - Henderson/Carroll. Hendo got playing time last year and he delivered. His jumper looks to be improving as well as his ball handling, and he looks like he's been moving freely. Probably will start off slow, but I look to him to be a nice 3rd option or so on offense. Hammer to give backup minutes.

SF - Maggy/DC. Maggette to do this thing, hopefully can get back to his old years, but he's rather old now. DC is a nice roleplayer, will certainly do his thing and give us some good minutes.

PF - Tyrus/Diaw/DJ. Tyrus to start and get consistent minutes, breakout season God willing. Diaw to give him backup minutes and to shift over to C (his love fats are good for one thing, defending centers). DJ to give roleplayer minutes.

C - Brown/Diaw/Smack. Brown to give his solid contributions, wouldn't be surprised to see an increase in scoring to 10 ppg. Diaw to backup minutes, Smack for development minutes, whenever that will be.

What we need:
1. A Center. Smack will be several years away from producing at a high level besides defense, and we all know that everyone in BCP is secretly praying that he'll grow another 3 feet to hit 7".
2. Small Forward. Maggy is getting on in the years, need to address that definately. DC is good for roleplayer minutes, dont see him as a starter though.


Where are we?
Best to Worse

1. Timberwolves (Love, Beasley, Johnson, Rubio. Have the talent)
2. Nuggets (I think it depends completely on whether they're able to resign Nene. If so, they keep this spot. If not, they go down several spots)
3. Nets (D.Will is good enough to carry the Nets with Lopez and Kardashian)
4. Bobcats (Us, hooray)
5. Cavaliers (Irving, that 4th pick dude that no one thought he would go at, The Bearded One, Flopper and Jamison. It's not bad, it's not THAT good either)
6. Bucks (Until Jennings learns to pass and not take stupid ass shots and shoot a low FG percentage [remind you of anyone that used to play for the Bobcats?] and the team actually passes to Bogut in the post, they'll be around here)
7. Raptors (Barg will score 20, won't play defense and get dominated by other high octane rebounders. DeRozan is meh, at best probably will be Igoudala, not some scoring champion that everyone on RealGM thinks he will become. Take that RealGM, come at me in an aggressive manner, male sibling)
8. Kings (Hickson tried, and failed to produce on the 'hype' surrounding him last season. Tyreke is a great player but regressed last year, still good though. Besides that, Cousins and Thornton give them some depth. Ranked here, but their future looks better)
9. Wizards (Wall is good. McGee is overrated. Blatche is a headcase. Placed here for inconsistency)
10. Pistons (Until they ever get the stability they had in the LB years, will be right here)

totally agreed. I think if Tyrus don't not breakout then we rely on Boris. I say we then need to move TT and look for another option at PF for the future. I think our needs for the future would be at SF then PF/C and SG

[Chef]

Is there really such a thing as BAD porn? Wouldn't all porn be considered good and a benefit to society? :g:

4 words zig: two girls one cup

[dav7z]

Finally some good discussion :biggrin:

PG - Kemba/DJ. I like DJ, I like what he can do, but Kemba is the future. No doubt about it. DJ backs him up, probably will start the season with DJ though.

SG - Henderson/Carroll. Hendo got playing time last year and he delivered. His jumper looks to be improving as well as his ball handling, and he looks like he's been moving freely. Probably will start off slow, but I look to him to be a nice 3rd option or so on offense. Hammer to give backup minutes.

SF - Maggy/DC. Maggette to do this thing, hopefully can get back to his old years, but he's rather old now. DC is a nice roleplayer, will certainly do his thing and give us some good minutes.

PF - Tyrus/Diaw/DJ. Tyrus to start and get consistent minutes, breakout season God willing. Diaw to give him backup minutes and to shift over to C (his love fats are good for one thing, defending centers). DJ to give roleplayer minutes.

C - Brown/Diaw/Smack. Brown to give his solid contributions, wouldn't be surprised to see an increase in scoring to 10 ppg. Diaw to backup minutes, Smack for development minutes, whenever that will be.

What we need:
1. A Center. Smack will be several years away from producing at a high level besides defense, and we all know that everyone in BCP is secretly praying that he'll grow another 3 feet to hit 7".
2. Small Forward. Maggy is getting on in the years, need to address that definately. DC is good for roleplayer minutes, dont see him as a starter though.


Where are we?
Best to Worse

1. Timberwolves (Love, Beasley, Johnson, Rubio. Have the talent)
2. Nuggets (I think it depends completely on whether they're able to resign Nene. If so, they keep this spot. If not, they go down several spots)
3. Nets (D.Will is good enough to carry the Nets with Lopez and Kardashian)
4. Bobcats (Us, hooray)
5. Cavaliers (Irving, that 4th pick dude that no one thought he would go at, The Bearded One, Flopper and Jamison. It's not bad, it's not THAT good either)
6. Bucks (Until Jennings learns to pass and not take stupid ass shots and shoot a low FG percentage [remind you of anyone that used to play for the Bobcats?] and the team actually passes to Bogut in the post, they'll be around here)
7. Raptors (Barg will score 20, won't play defense and get dominated by other high octane rebounders. DeRozan is meh, at best probably will be Igoudala, not some scoring champion that everyone on RealGM thinks he will become. Take that RealGM, come at me in an aggressive manner, male sibling)
8. Kings (Hickson tried, and failed to produce on the 'hype' surrounding him last season. Tyreke is a great player but regressed last year, still good though. Besides that, Cousins and Thornton give them some depth. Ranked here, but their future looks better)
9. Wizards (Wall is good. McGee is overrated. Blatche is a headcase. Placed here for inconsistency)
10. Pistons (Until they ever get the stability they had in the LB years, will be right here)

Sweed, Spectre, Toocool all great post . very interesting read
PG-DJ-Walker, DJ needs to be traded ASAP. We tryed the DJ , Felton thing . Whitch til this day i think hurt DJs confidence. We not good any way so why not just hand Walker the rings from day one. A 2012 FIRST and a lesser player sounds perfect . Cho get her done.

SG , Hendo / Hammer, Hendo no doubt hear due to lack of competion. At worst we build up Hendos value and move him at the trade deadline. At best he becomes part of our long term core.

SF Another area for concern like SG may be even a much bigger concern, Maggs will start hear . But in no way is he part of a long term plan [H Barnes] any one? DC who i consider to be a long term back and a solid one at that could take Maggs mins depending on how Maggs produces. Still DC i don't think could be a long term starter.

PF TT , either he does or he don't . Hes got the contract so we got to get Boris out of his way. So Boris has to go, again we hopeing for a 2012 first . Even if its a packege of him and DJ to net a loto pick Cho again get her done, DJ White is another perfect fit like Cunningham to be come a long term role player as a back up PF. Both of those guys will come cheap and alow more money for starters .

C , Smack again gets put right into the fire . Making it clear hes our long term starter. But signing K Brown hear is key to making us at least respectable. A three or four year contract hear is in line. At a smart price . Remembering be for last season he was on his way out of the league. A fLAT 2 milion per year sounds about fair. And should lock him up . If for some reason some fools are offering full MLEs for him we got to let him go. We again should try and get some kind of BURN out of DIOP even if its just carring team equipment, or cleaning jock straps.

OUR NEEDS
SF , is our largest need, With Barnes , Jones , Mcadoo in a very strong draft . This is the first need we have to meat
SG , is big concern all so . This being a put up or shut up year for Henderson , I really think he makes it
PF , SAME as SG , Its time for TT to either produce or get off the shiter, Showing our needs to get our hands on as many 2012 picks as we can.
Last season we put our bets down on Kemba, and Smack , Lets hope they work.

HOW good are we ??
We in complete rebuilding mode. With the players we have in place i see us compeating with the Pistons for the number 1#draft pick . Prediction for a full 82 game season 12 wins.

[Toocool]

HOW good are we ??
We in complete rebuilding mode. With the players we have in place i see us compeating with the Pistons for the number 1#draft pick . Prediction for a full 82 game season 12 wins.

If we get a high ass draft pick (1-3) I feel no pity for the Bobcats drafting committee to make a choice. So many good players that'll enter next draft.

[Twan's Kin]

SF- Maggs will probably put the most points on the board this upcoming season... even more than Kemba. We need some more depth here because Maggs may have nagging injuries throughout the season. We may want to make a move to acquire Shane Battier to play SF, SG, and PF. Battier can help in mentoring the younger players and is still a beast on defense.

SG- Hendo is solid defensively, so we lock him in as part of our future. Ship Carroll out to another team for a 2nd round pick in 2014. Sign a versatile free agent like Rasual Butler who can play the 2 or the 3.

PF- We have enough depth here, so no worries.

C- If Kwame signs somewhere else, then make a move to acquire Dalembert or Chris Wilcox or Chuck Hayes. Hayes or Dalembert would be beneficial in mentoring Bismack.

I am surprised y'all don't have Phoenix lumped in there with the worst teams in the league.

[Toocool]

I am surprised y'all don't have Phoenix lumped in there with the worst teams in the league.

Phoenix are still good. Yes they're going to overhaul the roster and pick up young guys and draft picks, but they still have solid pieces. Nash is still good, averaging a double double still. The ancient one Grant Hill is still also going strong and can fill it up on any given night. Polish Hammer Marcin Gortat is a big strong tough blue-collar athletic Center that can and will dunk on anyone (I'm a big fan of the guy) and is getting better. Vince is slow and old, but can still score. So no doubt they're getting old, but they still have decent pieces. They also have decent depth with Pietrus, Dudley, Frye, Brooks.

I still see Phoenix up there, until they start to trade for younger pieces for the future.