Bonnell: Bobcats Exploring Trade Options Late Thursday

[Proudiddy]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/12/09/2837162/bobcats-to-open-training-in-flux.html

Some interesting nuggets in here, among them:

*Dante Cunningham isn't reporting to camp to sign his QO.
*Says we offered Dunleavy around 3M/yr but got slightly outbid by MIL, and if we would've got him, Cunningham would've been an afterthought (at least that is implied).
*Still looking at Thronton
*FA options for Kwame have "dried up," increasing his chances of re-signing
*No mention of Reggie Williams
*Biyombo's contract issues still unresolved and may remain that way through a hearing on his contract in Spain on the 19th.
*FO was exploring trade options late Thursday among other things
*We only have 10 guys under contract coming into camp.

[Let's Go Cats 218]

I don't post here much... but I've got to say, as a die-hard Bobcats fan since the beginning, I am extremely disappointed with our Front Office. I thought Cho was supposed to be some sort of genius? What happened to the Chris Paul rumors? Fact is, he probably never even thought about coming here and just said that to placate his hometown fans.

We trade Gerald for nothing.
We get rid of Jack for nothing.
We trade for guys that we are going to cut immediately for cap space, but then do nothing with that cap space.
We let Raymond walk.

Unreal. I am so fed up, but at the same time, so anxious to see what we're going to do! I want to believe in MJ and Cho SO badly, but right now it is extremely difficult to stay positive.

I am hoping for maybe one FA splash this year, a high draft pick, and then some BIG $$ moves in the next offseason.

[SWedd523]

Cho didn't have a role in any of those moves.

The only move Cho has made since he's been in town is to flip the #19 pick for the #7 pick. Also, how can you get mad at the FO for Chris Paul wanting to go to Los Angeles? There's nothing the FO can do about him wanting a big market.

[Let's Go Cats 218]

Cho didn't have a role in any of those moves.

The only move Cho has made since he's been in town is to flip the #19 pick for the #7 pick. Also, how can you get mad at the FO for Chris Paul wanting to go to Los Angeles? There's nothing the FO can do about him wanting a big market.

Cho had a part in the Gerald Wallace trade, but from the other side... right? (I could be wrong)

I'm not mad at the FO for Chris Paul not coming. We can't help our market... I am just frustrated. It just feels like we've done nothing but build up cap space for years, and we never make a move with it...all the while we lose good, quality players.

Losing Crash still hurts...bad.

[SWedd523]

Yeah he was the guy people said "worked us over" for Crash in that trade, so I guess you could say that with that and the Bismack trade he's shown to be a good GM. Hopefully that's not an issue anymore.


We don't have capspace yet, and we haven't for a few years now. We topped out all of our space a few years ago for our Playoffs run and haven't worked our way out of it yet. We still have a year or so before we get to the point where we can use that space for some good. There's no denying that things look to be turning around for the good.

[tondi]

Also, we didn't let Felton walk. We supposedly offered him forty some million but he left to take less than half that from the Knicks. If you wish to hold a grudge against someone for him not being here you need to hold it against Ray, or perhaps his incompetent agent, not anyone with the Bobcats.

[Proudiddy]

Also, we didn't let Felton walk. We supposedly offered him forty some million but he left to take less than half that from the Knicks. If you wish to hold a grudge against someone for him not being here you need to hold it against Ray, or perhaps his incompetent agent, not anyone with the Bobcats.

To my understanding, that was offered prior to the offseason and we weren't very active once the offseason started and he essentially chose to leave, mostly because he didn't want to play for Larry Brown anymore. Think I read that from someone on RGM last year...

Also said Tyson Chandler wanted out because of LB.

If you ask me, the LB hire was probably worse than any personnel move individually because it actually costed us more players in the log run (Felton, Chandler, etc.) who didn't want to play for him after that first season. So, because of LB, we essentially gave away at least two assets for nothing.

[Wolfpackbobcat]

If we get Kwame, we should amnesty Diop. That will give us a little wiggle room.

[spectre]

Also, we didn't let Felton walk. We supposedly offered him forty some million but he left to take less than half that from the Knicks. If you wish to hold a grudge against someone for him not being here you need to hold it against Ray, or perhaps his incompetent agent, not anyone with the Bobcats.


To my understanding, that was offered prior to the offseason and we weren't very active once the offseason started and he essentially chose to leave, mostly because he didn't want to play for Larry Brown anymore. Think I read that from someone on RGM last year...

Also said Tyson Chandler wanted out because of LB.

If you ask me, the LB hire was probably worse than any personnel move individually because it actually costed us more players in the log run (Felton, Chandler, etc.) who didn't want to play for him after that first season. So, because of LB, we essentially gave away at least two assets for nothing.

We offered him a deal that offseason but then it (or any other) was never offered again. Remember the trade for Tyrus? Once they gave him that big deal it was all she wrote.

That offer BTW was LESS than his qualifying offer for the upcoming year.

Once he played out the QO year Felton's agent said that the Bobcats' FO wouldn't even talk to him. Felton had no choice but to go onto the open market.

We most definitely let Felton "walk" with no compensation whatsoever.

[Proudiddy]

We offered him a deal that offseason but then it (or any other) was never offered again. Remember the trade for Tyrus? Once they gave him that big deal it was all she wrote.

That offer BTW was LESS than his qualifying offer for the upcoming year.

Once he played out the QO year Felton's agent said that the Bobcats' FO wouldn't even talk to him. Felton had no choice but to go onto the open market.

We most definitely let Felton "walk" with no compensation whatsoever.


That's what I meant... He played out the last year and we never offered anything last offseason when he signed with NY.

I don't remember the timeline that well, but I knew we didn't give him anything in terms of an offer and he signed elsewhere. I shouldn't have said "chose to leave." You're right, he was forced to leave - for nothing. But, I still remember someone saying he was happy to b/c of LB as well, and this is my own opinion, but I'm sure he wasn't overly willing to try and work something out with us even if we had space because we pretty much botched his whole situation.

I didn't want to keep Felton as a core piece b/c I thought DJ was better, but I would've loved to re-sign him and trade him for picks or some young players that could help us re-build (although that wasn't an official direction of the franchise until the Crash trade).

I actually was going to make a thread the other day with the title simply "Tyson Chandler: How Did We Mismanage Him So Badly?"

May still need to make it because it's disgusting to think we got him, hardly used him, allowed Gerald to sh*t on him in the media, then traded him for nothing. NOTHING. He then goes onto become the defensive centerpiece for the champion Mavs and then signs a hefty contract with the Knicks... That just disgusts me...

[spectre]

If you ask me, the LB hire was probably worse than any personnel move individually because it actually costed us more players in the log run (Felton, Chandler, etc.) who didn't want to play for him after that first season. So, because of LB, we essentially gave away at least two assets for nothing.I did hear rumors of TC wanting out because of LB (probly because LB was most likely doing what Crash was...calling him out for not playing), but I never heard that about Felton. Remember a big part of LB being pissed off beginning of last season was because we let Felton walk.

Funny...everyone thinks LB is such a unique case. I've seen Pop pacing Tony Parker up and down the sidelines during a game continually yelling at him...then he proceeded to keep ripping him apart in the next time out. Jerry Sloan was also considered a bigtime asshole (just ask Deron).

Some of the best coaches out there.

BTW...Cuban said himself that he and Jordan did the TC deal. Laughed to their local paper how he swindled Jordan into taking the extra salary back. Don't see how that can be put on LB either.

[spectre]

That's what I meant... He played out the last year and we never offered anything last offseason when he signed with NY.

I don't remember the timeline that well, but I knew we didn't give him anything in terms of an offer and he signed elsewhere. I shouldn't have said "chose to leave." You're right, he was forced to leave - for nothing. But, I still remember someone saying he was happy to b/c of LB as well, and this is my own opinion, but I'm sure he wasn't overly willing to try and work something out with us even if we had space because we pretty much botched his whole situation.

I didn't want to keep Felton as a core piece b/c I thought DJ was better, but I would've loved to re-sign him and trade him for picks or some young players that could help us re-build (although that wasn't an official direction of the franchise until the Crash trade).

I actually was going to make a thread the other day with the title simply "Tyson Chandler: How Did We Mismanage Him So Badly?"

May still need to make it because it's disgusting to think we got him, hardly used him, allowed Gerald to sh*t on him in the media, then traded him for nothing. NOTHING. He then goes onto become the defensive centerpiece for the champion Mavs and then signs a hefty contract with the Knicks... That just disgusts me...

We really needed a strong GM (NOT Jordan) when we brought on Larry Brown. As such there was no overall direction; that's why we found ourselves in the situation we were in...losing assets for basically nothing just to get under the tax.

Maybe he didn't want to come back; NY certainly has a pull on most players. Either way we totally botched his situation and countless others.

But now there's a new man in town...Richard Cho!

[spectre]

I don't post here much... but I've got to say, as a die-hard Bobcats fan since the beginning, I am extremely disappointed with our Front Office. I thought Cho was supposed to be some sort of genius? What happened to the Chris Paul rumors? Fact is, he probably never even thought about coming here and just said that to placate his hometown fans.

We trade Gerald for nothing.
We get rid of Jack for nothing.
We trade for guys that we are going to cut immediately for cap space, but then do nothing with that cap space.
We let Raymond walk.

Unreal. I am so fed up, but at the same time, so anxious to see what we're going to do! I want to believe in MJ and Cho SO badly, but right now it is extremely difficult to stay positive.

I am hoping for maybe one FA splash this year, a high draft pick, and then some BIG $$ moves in the next offseason.

Swedd answered this post, but I can't say how much I disagree with the bolded part. IMO...best Bobcat's trade EVER.

We'll have to bring some players in, but unless it's a steal (which ain't happening right now...guys are getting PAID) I'd do the leftovers and the dregs. Our time isn't right now anyway...do NOT overpay.

[dav7z]

Also, we didn't let Felton walk. We supposedly offered him forty some million but he left to take less than half that from the Knicks. If you wish to hold a grudge against someone for him not being here you need to hold it against Ray, or perhaps his incompetent agent, not anyone with the Bobcats.

Felton wasn't offered a 40 milion dollar contract, We had DJ under a rookie scale and no cap space under the luxery tax. Our problem in the past hasn't been signing free agents . Its been trading for multi year bad contracts to just slightly inprove. We need to just sign a couple of filler contracts this year . And make sure we get a top 3 draft pick. Trade DJ and Diaw for assests . Hopeing for another 2012 first rounder or young core pieces. We can't afford to let them walk for nothing. I have lots of confidence CHO . He sure cleaned our clock in the GW trade. But its like CHO says you have to be real bad to get real good. And all ways try to obtain assests

[Proudiddy]

To all your posts spec:

Agreed. I wish I could find the post, but it was a guy on RGM who supposedly had inside info on the team going into last year. Maybe I'm mixing the TC and Felton situations up, but I'm pretty sure he said LB had a negative impact on both guys.

As a PG in my playing days, I'm all too familiar with coach/PG relationships, lol. They're not pretty, but often times the PG understands it for what it is and they retain a respect for each other... I just got the feeling Felton was tired of LB. And from what we heard from players after he left, he definitely wore on guys here. I'll see if I can find the link, and it wasn't one of those attention whore "look at me, I know someone in the FO!!" threads. The guy posted it and from what I remember didn't offer much else.

And I remember Cubes trolling us in papers, that was so embarrassing man. I think Cho has already shown we aren't that same team. After all, he's the guy who raped us for the most part in the Blazers deal, lol... I kid, I kid... I didn't like the return initially, but once Cho came on and flipped for higher picks, I'm happier. Still think we should've gotten more in regards to youth/players back, but I'm cool with it now.

I'm confident in whatever moves we make going forward, but that TC trade will forever provide me with memories of how inept our FO had been until Cho got here. That quite possibly could be the worst trade in NBA history considering what each ultimately got out of it.

[dav7z]

Swedd answered this post, but I can't say how much I disagree with the bolded part. IMO...best Bobcat's trade EVER.

We'll have to bring some players in, but unless it's a steal (which ain't happening right now...guys are getting PAID) I'd do the leftovers and the dregs. Our time isn't right now anyway...do NOT overpay.
Most long time members hear understand we can't get good over night . With the salery at about 54 mil , And no sizeable assests for a all star player. Last season this team was in worst shape than a team with no players . We still about 2 years away . But long term we looking much better.

[tondi]

Felton wasn't offered a 40 milion dollar contract, We had DJ under a rookie scale and no cap space under the luxery tax. Our problem in the past hasn't been signing free agents . Its been trading for multi year bad contracts to just slightly inprove. We need to just sign a couple of filler contracts this year . And make sure we get a top 3 draft pick. Trade DJ and Diaw for assests . Hopeing for another 2012 first rounder or young core pieces. We can't afford to let them walk for nothing. I have lots of confidence CHO . He sure cleaned our clock in the GW trade. But its like CHO says you have to be real bad to get real good. And all ways try to obtain assests

Well obviously none of us were in the room but it was reported here, and elsewhere, that the offer was for 6 years/42 million but he turned us down. He then went to the Knicks for 2 years/17 million. At the time it seemed pretty obvious he wanted to leave. How much of that was because of the bobcats and how much was him just wanting a fresh start elsewhere is anybodies guess.

[docend24]

Swedd answered this post, but I can't say how much I disagree with the bolded part. IMO...best Bobcat's trade EVER.

We'll have to bring some players in, but unless it's a steal (which ain't happening right now...guys are getting PAID) I'd do the leftovers and the dregs. Our time isn't right now anyway...do NOT overpay.

I'm right next to spectre on Cho's bandwagon. Not only that trade served well all current needs, the picks were invested into very exciting if not outright the right players. We are just one and half year from putting on serious pieces picking in first round three times unless something unprobably happen to our or Blazers' record. We now have only Tyrus and Kemba under contract exceeding 2013 and that's around 11M. And we may even keep our amnesty clause to use, if Tyrus project fails for whatever reason. Till then we clear the house and keeps only last five first round picks (Bismack, Kemba, CHA 2012 = TOP5?, CHA 2013=TOP10? and POR 2013 = TOP20?) and whoever else we decide to keep (Henderson) and pieces we will be abel to pick on the road (maybe even taking up some bad contracts with picks attached to meet the 85% rule in next seasons). If we would be attractive market team our future would be bright and may still be anyway.

[bozzy]

If we get Kwame, we should amnesty Diop. That will give us a little wiggle room.

Why? If you amnesty Diop, you still have to pay him. If we were one piece away, I would be all for it. But paying Diop all that money to play for someone else this year makes little sense in a rebuilding year. I mean who are you going to get with the extra cap space? I don't see any free agents that are that appealing that would be worth wasting all that money on.

[bes628]

Come on fellas. We have no options. Thats the reality of it.

[davcbow]

We are taking that long ride to the lottery so we dont need to blow money this year or maybe even next, just draft good players in the hopes of getting that guy that becomes the franchise player .. :)

[teej]

Dunleavy? That's not encouraging. He's not the type of player this franchise needs to target.

Dante better have an offer from someone, or he might end up on the streets. Or maybe he's just trying to play in Amsterdam this year *rimshot* just kidding.

[ammofan]

Dunleavy? That's not encouraging. He's not the type of player this franchise needs to target.

Dante better have an offer from someone, or he might end up on the streets. Or maybe he's just trying to play in Amsterdam this year *rimshot* just kidding.

Haaaaaa TJ still has the jokes