Bobcats Free Agency 2011/12

[Plowright]

Just thought i would start a general thread for free agent news specific to the Bobcats.

SteveReed_AP Steve Reed
Don't be surprised if the Bobcats go after a couple victims of the old Amnesty Clause in the next couple of days.

Sounds interesting, but i think he is going of his own thoughts and not any sources.

Has also said: SteveReed_AP Steve Reed
Kwame Brown's agent Mark Bartelstein: "We're working on (a deal) with the Bobcats, but nothing is done yet."

[ammofan]

I would really like to see Baron Davis signed for cheap if/when he is waived

[Plowright]

rick_bonnell Rick Bonnell
Kwame Brown won't be signed in time for #Bobcats first practice. But don't view that as a snag.
33 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply

More good news, i dont want Baron here. We have enough PGs at the moment, he would want to get big playing time and i would rather dj and kemba got that

[Plowright]

I love this tweet from a Kings fan, i don't know where to post it so it's going here lol.

@Aykis16: Boom! Chuck Hayes and Marcus Thornton. #CHAMPIONSHIP

[bes628]

lol Bobcats Free Agency.

[fallen xxi]

Would love to see us do something crazy...but this one will probably be a snore fest.

[ND22]

Would love to see us do something crazy...but this one will probably be a snore fest.

Actually they did "something crazy" last year, and I'd rather them not do that again.

Summer of 2010:

MJ/Larry Brown/Rod Higgins: "LETS TRADE FOR ERIC DAMPIER! ERIC DAMPIER = DUST CHIP! WE TRADE DUST CHIP FOR CHRIS PAUL! DUST CHIP FTW!!!!!!!"

:facepalm:

Lets be civil this year. Resign Kwame, acquire a back up SG or SF, and call it a day.

[BBQNut]

hard to get anyone to come to us....would love to keep Kwame and
get one or two players who aren't PG's who are young that we can
sign for a few years.

I'm thinking our plan is to stay young and develop talent this year,
get a high draft pick and a game changer in the draft. We should
have a top 3 pick.

[fallen xxi]

Actually they did "something crazy" last year, and I'd rather them not do that again.

Summer of 2010:

MJ/Larry Brown/Rod Higgins: "LETS TRADE FOR ERIC DAMPIER! ERIC DAMPIER = DUST CHIP! WE TRADE DUST CHIP FOR CHRIS PAUL! DUST CHIP FTW!!!!!!!"

:facepalm:

Lets be civil this year. Resign Kwame, acquire a back up SG or SF, and call it a day.

Meh, I meant more along the lines of a Rich Cho type of crazy, which means smart but unexpected.

[ammofan]

Never mention the dust chip ever ever again!

[Plowright]

"In DUST we TRUST"

My quote of that summer, if i could take it back i would

[rsxnova]

"In DUST we TRUST"

My quote of that summer, if i could take it back i would

Never forget...
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w301/bobcatsplanet/DustChip1.png

[Plowright]

Never forget, the shittest Bobcat of all time

[Wolfpackbobcat]

Ok first signing : Derrick Brown. Who else is on our radar?

[Plowright]

Reggie Williams, Al Thornton and Kwame Brown

[Chef]

Never forget, the shittest Bobcat of all time

nope that would be joel pryzbilla

[Plowright]

Will Blalock, Rin Dupree and Taylor Griffin (aka the shit one) working with Bobcats tonight.

[Proudiddy]

gaiz, this seazon is so awesssome so farrrr!


SteveReed_AP Steve Reed
Will Blalock, Rin Dupree and Taylor Griffin working with Bobcats tonight.

SteveReed_AP Steve Reed
Kemba Walker not practicing tonight. Yet to sign contract.


Fantastic.

[Plowright]

You know your team is the shit when you have a guy called RONALD trialing for you. (sorry for any people with that unfortunate name, don't be offended...too much)

[Proudiddy]

But this Ronald is so ultra-shitty that Reed refused to type his full name, instead assigning him the name "Rin," and then refused to even clarify or correct it. Poor Ronald. Poor us.

[Proudiddy]

Meanwhile, the Suns sign Shannon Brown and Sebastian Telfair to 1-year deals. We couldn't have used Shannon Brown?

[spectre]

SteveReed_AP Steve Reed
Kemba Walker not practicing tonight. Yet to sign contract.

What the hell?

[ND22]

what the hell?

Kemba Holdout 2011!!

[rsxnova]

Kemba Holdout 2011!!

Watch him demand a trade to NY.

[SWedd523]

Watch him demand a trade to NY.

I would literally drive to TWC and punch him in the face.

[BlockParty]

Bonnell said on twitter his agent was just wrapping up the contract...no worries

[spectre]

Bonnell said on twitter his agent was just wrapping up the contract...no worries

My first thought was that they were arguing over that top pay allowed for rookies thing (a player waited out on the Griz a season or so back) and that was going to piss me off. I didn't know about it at the time, but seems all the top picks get the maximum...so it'd be pretty crappy to do it to Kemba.

But I'll take BP's (and Tricky Ricky's) word for it...no worries!

[KembaSlice]

Vince Carter is going to the Mavs, so no Vinsanity here (not that it was ever a serious thought).

[Proudiddy]

This sucks. I mean damn, can we at least get a Rick Brunson or some sh*t?

[bes628]

You know your team is the shit when you have a guy called RONALD trialing for you. (sorry for any people with that unfortunate name, don't be offended...too much)

Im not gonna lie, I laughed for a good 5 minutes straight at that.

[bes628]

Meanwhile, the Suns sign Shannon Brown and Sebastian Telfair to 1-year deals. We couldn't have used Shannon Brown?

We could use alot of people.

[SWedd523]

How quickly we forget..... RONALD flip murray

[Proudiddy]

Ronald doesn't count in that instance. See... He was so good, he adopted a nickname to replace Ronald.

[rsxnova]

I would love to take a shot at Spencer Hawes but he is restricted.

[Chef]

I would love to take a shot at Spencer Hawes but he is restricted.

he is terrible.

[ammofan]

he is terrible.

He's better than Diop

[Plowright]

http://bobcatsplanet.com/wp/

Just an article on the Bobcats actions during free agency and potential camp invites. Give it a read :)

[Chef]

he is terrible.

true but so are half the people on this site. diop is ours we have to have him (no, we shouldn't amnesty him) but why should we choose to take on more shitty players at a premium?

[Proudiddy]

I just read the AP article on our camp last night and it said Diop is out of shape and had limited participation in practice last night. Awesome.

Aside from that, why the fuck did Bonnell get on twitter if he isn't going to respond to people and re-hash reports that national writers are scooping before him. He didn't even mention Diop in his article on camp from last night. Shit is infuriating to have a team and yet have such uninvested reporters covering them. Someone should tell Bonnell that he doesn't cover the Hornets anymore in case he doesn't know.

[SWedd523]

Go watch the vids on Bobcats.com.

Diop looks extra beefy

[sprtsguyshowonyoutube]

I just read the AP article on our camp last night and it said Diop is out of shape and had limited participation in practice last night. Awesome.

Aside from that, why the fuck did Bonnell get on twitter if he isn't going to respond to people and re-hash reports that national writers are scooping before him. He didn't even mention Diop in his article on camp from last night. Shit is infuriating to have a team and yet have such uninvested reporters covering them. Someone should tell Bonnell that he doesn't cover the Hornets anymore in case he doesn't know. I agree with you about Bonnell not answering his tweet .Someone should either call him or send him an email and letting him know that as Bobcats beat writer for the Charlotte Observer when someone sending him tweet regrading the bobcats he should answer it.Otherwise close your twitter account

[Slammzithome]

Yes, Diop looks great in those videos. He was even taking 20 ft. jumpers. Who ever wrote that is likely a hater who has absolutely no idea of what is really going on.

[Proudiddy]

It was an AP article, so I'm assuming it was Steve Reed who was there last night.

[SWedd523]

Yes, Diop looks great in those videos. He was even taking 20 ft. jumpers. Who ever wrote that is likely a hater who has absolutely no idea of what is really going on.

No I'm saying Diop looked huge, in a bad way. He's making Diaw look skinny

[adam187]

The Warriors waived Jeremy Lin. He's not a superstar or anything, but I think he could be a decent back-up or 3rd guard, especially if we get rid of DJ. Nice kid, young, plays defense, has size for the position, I assume Stephen Silas worked with him a bit last year. He's also a pretty decent draw, particularly on the road. Could be a good pick up in my mind.

[ohara831]

I think Lin would be a wise pick up, especially if we end up shopping DJ.

[KembaSlice]

Any updates on DJ? Is he staying or going?

[docend24]

No I'm saying Diop looked huge, in a bad way. He's making Diaw look skinny

well Diaw played whole summer and then till today (NT and then his own club) so he shouldn't be so chubby. Then Gana can looked huge next to him for sure. I may sound way too optimistic but I don't care I wll support those guys anyways and if they fail as a team, then Drummond and co. will be a step closer. I will root for anyone on roster to have individual improvements which is more important then winning this season. For those who won't stick in Charlotte, it would be good to raise their value a bit.

[docend24]

I support the Lin idea.

As I follow Wizards a bit lately, it looks like they'll rescind QO on Othyus Jeffers, maybe he could be among candidates for 3rd SG/SF spot on minimum salary.

[LiquidWayno]

We got Derrick Brown back, nothing else matters! I do like giving Lin a look too.

[Twan's Kin]

Jeremy Lin is not worth jack. not even worth the minimum.

[Plowright]

Yet Lin would ok, but I think I would prefer a veteran 3rd pg like earl Watson or something. I am also liking Damien James. He was struck down all season due to an injury but is young and plays that sg/sf shoots the 3 athletic, plays d. Sounds good right! I really rare this guy, nets apparently have to clear him and farmer To get dwight do we could get him for a 2nd rounder or something!

[DY_nasty]

Jeremy Lin is not worth jack. not even worth the minimum.
I disagree. Even Hollinger does - and you know he hates looking at 2nd/3rd string players on teams that aren't making the playoffs.

[Proudiddy]

I was actually going to make a thread about Jeremy Lin. I am a fan and would love to add him. I think he has starter potential and would be a great 3rd guard at worst. I hope we pick him up but I didn't make the thread because our front office isn't doing shit so I didn't think it mattered.

[SWedd523]

I'm not really a fan of Lin. Unathletic as hell, can't guard anybody or beat his man. He's basically a PG version of Matt Carroll. And are we still making that crazy "Our front office isn't doing shit" claim?

http://allancole.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/cmonson.gif

[Twan's Kin]

How much money should we offer Reggie Williams of Golden State considering he's a restricted free agent? Will having Williams start at the 2 position impede the growth of Hendo?

[bes628]

Jeremy Lin is not worth jack. not even worth the minimum.This This This.

[ND22]

Half here think Lin would be a great fit. The other half think he's more worthless than Diop. With little playing time last year, can judgement really be made either way?

He received a lot of "hype" because he was a native boy for Golden State. Fans wanted him to succeed.

In our situation, I don't want him. Not because I don't think he's good enough mind you, but our 3rd PG should be a veteran.

[SWedd523]

I don't think he's more worthless than Diop. I just don't think he's worth more than the minimum.

[Toocool]

My sister would probably follow Bobcats if Jeremy Lin came here.
She has a huge crush on him.
Let's hope it never happens.

[adam187]

glad to have finally sparked some controversy on here for once. woo hoo!

ps - i'm all down for toocool's sister to become a bobcats fan. and anybody's sister on this site for that matter.

[docend24]

I don't insist on Lin or anybody particular. But I disagree our 3rd point guard should be a veteran. Let coaches (especially Stephen Silas) do their work instead of bringing up a vet who won't be part of our future, disguised as a mentor for a young guy. I vote for not bringing up anyone over 26, except maybe at center position (if both Kwame and Bismack fall trough this season) or if it a bargain trade and received player(s) won't interfere with our tank plan (so ideally currently injured or World-Peace-like suspended players).

[Plowright]

I hear the ntes are trying to move Damian James and Jordan Farmar to make enough room for Dwight. James is a young sg/sf who is very athletic, shot the 3 well in college and is a very good defender. Sounds good doesnt it? We could grab him for a 2nd rounder or something i imagine, finally take advantage of a team clearing cap sapce. He would be a Very good pick pick up.

[Toocool]

glad to have finally sparked some controversy on here for once. woo hoo!

ps - i'm all down for toocool's sister to become a bobcats fan. and anybody's sister on this site for that matter.

Please no.
Just no.
No
NO!!!!

[Proudiddy]

@Swedd, my "our front office isn't doing shit" comes from my frustration in our lack of activity.

I don't expect us to be throwing moey everywhere (that we don't have), but we do need depth and talent wherever we can add it. A guy like Reggie Williams, Thornton, or say making a trade using a second rounder here or there for a good rotational player or young guy with potential are all smart moves. We barely have 10 guys on our roster, yet, we still haven't made any moves.

I'm not saying that equates to our front office sitting on their asses, but as a fan, that's what it feels like. It's frustrating. With the expectations going into this season, I would actually be excited about Williams or Thornton. I would like to hear something about Cunningham... WTF is going on there?

That's another point of frustration, the piss poor coverage we get from our own beat writers...

[Plowright]

I diasgree with you to be honest. It is knieve of you to think that our front office is not doing anything. No NBA team's front office do nothing, any fans who think they do are stupid. I think its a good thing that our organization doesnt tell the world what they are doing like most. Rumours make players unhappy. Look at Odom, heard he was traded, fell through and he refused to practice and requested a trade. Yes the coverage is not great, has anyone asked Silas who will start at PF yet? NO why the fuck not? Thats the first question i would ask him. Not saying he will tell us but you can gauge something from his reaction. I am just saying, dont judge the front office yet, wait. Also maybe its best we dont do that much in free agency (http://bobcatsplanet.com/wp/mj-don%e2%80%99t-move-a-muscle) Another thing, we can only move as quick as players agents let us. If Reggie, or Al's agent are waiting to see who goes where, what teams will look like etc then theres nothing we can do about that, If we start saying Hurry up make a choice we will just alienate them. Just think about it

[SWedd523]

@Swedd, my "our front office isn't doing shit" comes from my frustration in our lack of activity.

I don't expect us to be throwing moey everywhere (that we don't have), but we do need depth and talent wherever we can add it. A guy like Reggie Williams, Thornton, or say making a trade using a second rounder here or there for a good rotational player or young guy with potential are all smart moves. We barely have 10 guys on our roster, yet, we still haven't made any moves.

I'm not saying that equates to our front office sitting on their asses, but as a fan, that's what it feels like. It's frustrating. With the expectations going into this season, I would actually be excited about Williams or Thornton. I would like to hear something about Cunningham... WTF is going on there?

That's another point of frustration, the piss poor coverage we get from our own beat writers...

But they HAVE been doing things. They've had offers out to Dunleavy, Reggie, Thornton, UPS, and Kwame this offseason. That's five guys in a little over a week, and those are only the ones we know about. I'd say they're being pretty active. Besides, all they can do is make the offer because it's up to the respective player to sign the agreement or not. So really all they CAN do is sit there and wait. And it's not like we have a ton of cap space to throw at FAs or trade pieces to throw at CP3 anyway.


This same argument pops up every off season. It's always going to seem like they're not doing anything because the FO is inherently secretive and Baldy B doesn't give many scoops.

[ammofan]

The FO is doing plenty. You guys should know that whenever we hear rumors about trades/signings regarding the Bobcats, nothing happens.

[mrtarheel]

I like the idea of Farmar and Jones. Maybe work in someone like the Kings who need a vet presence in the locker room and come out with http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7zvzw9t Then maybe turn DJ and a second rd pick into http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7lcagxe. Then sign Reggie Williams and we are set and also Kwame.

Farmar, Walker, Dowdell
Hendo, Williams, Carroll
Mags, Jones, Brown
TT, White, The Biz
Kwame, Lopez, Diop

Forgot about The Biz, Najera has to go in one of those trades or just waive him.

[Proudiddy]

I diasgree with you to be honest. It is knieve of you to think that our front office is not doing anything. No NBA team's front office do nothing, any fans who think they do are stupid. I think its a good thing that our organization doesnt tell the world what they are doing like most. Rumours make players unhappy. Look at Odom, heard he was traded, fell through and he refused to practice and requested a trade. Yes the coverage is not great, has anyone asked Silas who will start at PF yet? NO why the fuck not? Thats the first question i would ask him. Not saying he will tell us but you can gauge something from his reaction. I am just saying, dont judge the front office yet, wait. Also maybe its best we dont do that much in free agency (http://bobcatsplanet.com/wp/mj-don%e2%80%99t-move-a-muscle) Another thing, we can only move as quick as players agents let us. If Reggie, or Al's agent are waiting to see who goes where, what teams will look like etc then theres nothing we can do about that, If we start saying Hurry up make a choice we will just alienate them. Just think about it


But they HAVE been doing things. They've had offers out to Dunleavy, Reggie, Thornton, UPS, and Kwame this offseason. That's five guys in a little over a week, and those are only the ones we know about. I'd say they're being pretty active. Besides, all they can do is make the offer because it's up to the respective player to sign the agreement or not. So really all they CAN do is sit there and wait. And it's not like we have a ton of cap space to throw at FAs or trade pieces to throw at CP3 anyway.


This same argument pops up every off season. It's always going to seem like they're not doing anything because the FO is inherently secretive and Baldy B doesn't give many scoops.

IIRC, which I may not because I'm in the midst of writing a paper for a final exam, I believe I said I know that they are doing stuff, it just feels like we're not because our coverage sucks. At least that's what I was trying to get at.

Also, last I heard we only gauged interest in Thornton and Williams and didn't offer either of them a contract as of now. Perhaps we will later, but last I heard, we hadn't. I just hope things start to fall into place and we can fill some of these holes with some quality players.

[Scottley Crue]

Well, here's a little movement, I believe:

@Bobcats
Charlotte Bobcats
Free agent #ReggieWilliams was in for visit w/ #bobcats today.
2 minutes ago via Twitter for Android

[ND22]

But I disagree our 3rd point guard should be a veteran. Let coaches (especially Stephen Silas) do their work instead of bringing up a vet who won't be part of our future, disguised as a mentor for a young guy.

And I think it should be. 3rd PGs generally aren't on a team for very long anyways, so neither a young PG or a vet will be part of the team's future. At least a veteran can lend Kemba advice.

There needs to be a balance of young players and veterans, and more importantly the veterans have to show leadership. Kemba Walker could end up being a great leader but that won't come right away. Veteran leaders hold other players accountable and prevent younger players from doing whatever they want on and off the court. I've seen what happens with teams that have no leadership; it can be very detrimental.

Right now we're relying on Corey Maggette. While he's not a head case I've never recalled him ever being labeled a "leader." Other than that, who steps up and takes charge of the team? We no longer have the leaders of Felton, Wallace, and Jackson.

Coaches can only do so much, even the great ones. I'm not advocating for veterans who are going to take playing time away from the young players who should have it, but it can't be all youngsters.

[CatNation1]

apparently Reggie Williams was in Charlotte today. would be nice to get him

edit nm too late lulz

[ammofan]

Well, here's a little movement, I believe:

@Bobcats
Charlotte Bobcats
Free agent #ReggieWilliams was in for visit w/ #bobcats today.
2 minutes ago via Twitter for Android

Really hope we get him. Plus he's good on 2k.

[Plowright]

Fingers crossed, he would be decent for anything 4 million and under

[Proudiddy]

didn't the Warriors just sign Jordan to a 4 yr/40 mil deal? could be great timing...

[Plowright]

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Warriors have amnestied Charlie Bell and rescinded qualifying offer to Reggie Williams, clearing room for DeAndre Jordan offer sheet.
6 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

Sounds like good timing considering he was in Charlotte today :)

Also just seen this From Bonnell:-


rick_bonnell Rick Bonnell
I hear someone in the Kwame Brown camp expects $5 million. Can't see that happening.
1 hour ago Favorite Retweet Reply. A bit too much, but for 1 year ok il take it. Got nobody better to spend it on, just not a multi year thing at 5 mil that would kill us

[KembaSlice]

are people seriously excited about Reggie Williams coming here?

[ammofan]

are people seriously excited about Reggie Williams coming here?

Yes. He's a great pickup. I know Warriors fans that are upset he's leaving.

[Proudiddy]

we better sign his ass up now...

[SWedd523]

rick_bonnell Rick Bonnell
I hear someone in the Kwame Brown camp expects $5 million. Can't see that happening.


Thanks for last year Kwame, but see ya!

[Dcarnys]

rick_bonnell Rick Bonnell
I hear someone in the Kwame Brown camp expects $5 million. Can't see that happening.


Thanks for last year Kwame, but see ya!

Couldn't say it better myself. Let someone else overpay for him.

[Proudiddy]

Someone finally decides to look like an NBA player for one season and all the sudden their shit don't stink. Good luck with that Kwame.

[bes628]

Look got dammit. We need a Center. He's obviously the best we're gonna get.

[Twan's Kin]

Wouldn't Reggie Williams prefer to play in Chicago or San Antonio or a lot of other places other than CLT?

[The Prodigy]

Look got dammit. We need a Center. He's obviously the best we're gonna get.

Saving a decent amount of money and starting a worse player which leads to more losses > 5 million dollar Kwame Brown

[Toocool]

He wouldn't even be asking for 5 mill if it wasn't for Silas and co.
See ya Kwame, let's hope BB's contract is fine and we can start him at Center.
I mean why not, nothing to lose unless we start Diop.

[ND22]

I can see the Bobcats negotiations:

Kwame: "I want 5 mil a year."

Cho: "I'll give you 3..."

Kwame: "I want 5"

Cho: "I'll give you 3..."

Kwame: -________-

[ohara831]

I trust Cho and MJ to do what needs to be done. But my hat is off to the Pacers who are clearly trying to do something to get better. Getting David West and trying to get Mayo may put them in a position to challenge for a playoff spot. Saw where Thabeet was amestied. Wonder if the FO will think about him as a cheaper version of Kwame?

Edit: I saw someone post that he was amnestied, but also saw on RGM Rockets board where the rumor was that he was going to be if Nene is signed. So it may not have happened just yet.

[spectre]

Mavericks Trying To Clear Fernandez, Brewer In Attempt To Create Cap Space (http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217406/Mavericks_Trying_To_Clear_Fernandez_Brewer_In_Atte mpt_To_Create_Cap_Space)

Corey Brewer - 3.1 per (avg) for 2 years
Fernandez - 2.1/3.1 for 2 years

Rudy I'm sure would pitch a fit as he wants to go back to Europe.

I wouldn't mind Brewer. He's long struggled, but he put up a PER of 17.6 last year with Dallas...tho with minimal minutes.

[ammofan]

Mavericks Trying To Clear Fernandez, Brewer In Attempt To Create Cap Space (http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217406/Mavericks_Trying_To_Clear_Fernandez_Brewer_In_Atte mpt_To_Create_Cap_Space)

Corey Brewer - 3.1 per (avg) for 2 years
Fernandez - 2.1/3.1 for 2 years

Rudy I'm sure would pitch a fit as he wants to go back to Europe.

I wouldn't mind Brewer. He's long struggled, but he put up a PER of 17.6 last year with Dallas...tho with minimal minutes.

Brewer also considered the Bobcats before he signed in DAL after his release from NY. We dont really need him tho. If Im trading for a SF it better be a young guy I feel COULD be the future for our team at that position.

[ammofan]

You know what...I am all for bringing in Thabeet since he got amnestied. He's on a 1 year deal so we could just claim him. He's not great but he is a HUGE center who can rebound. I think all he needs is a coach who cares and motivates young players like Silas. Silas did WONDERS for Kwame and I feel Thabeet could see similar improvements with him. If he could get Thabeet to stay on the floor(avoid fouls) and just block shots and rebound....that's a stellar defensive frontline we could have. How would teams score in the paint vs. Thabeet, Bismack AND Tyrus?

[Plowright]

I would definitly make a 1 year offer for Thabeat, what do we have to lose? I would take a risk on him for a 1 year deal. Worst case we get him for 3 million, we stay under the cap, he doesnt play, he leaves after a year. We have nobody else to spend our money on so why not take a risk on thabeet and spend more on him than he deserves and just rent him for a season, almost a trial. Not sure if Jordan would risk 3-4 million though...

[Toocool]

Thabeet? Why the hell not.

[NiceKrispy]

I read on ESPN's twitter feed on the NBA page that the Bobcats were considering placing a waiver claim on Billups to block him from becoming a free agent. Would be just be using him as trade bait or maybe letting someone else go?

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/34091/sources-bobcats-could-place-bid-on-billups

[SWedd523]

I read on ESPN's twitter feed on the NBA page that the Bobcats were considering placing a waiver claim on Billups to block him from becoming a free agent. Would be just be using him as trade bait or maybe letting someone else go?

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/34091/sources-bobcats-could-place-bid-on-billups

I hope we (or some other small market team) does it if for no other reason than to say "Fuck you" to Billups for trying to bully teams not to bid on him and to the Big markets hoping he clears waivers. All of that retirement threats does nothing but get on my nerves

[dav7z]

Charlotte is considering Billups , WHAT THE HELL another point ?
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217415/Bobcats_Considering_Bid_On_Billups

[spectre]

Tricky Ricky says we aren't according to Rod Higgins.

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2011/12/higgins-bobcats-have-no-plans-to-claim-chauncey-billups.html

[dav7z]

Tricky Ricky says we aren't according to Rod Higgins.

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2011/12/higgins-bobcats-have-no-plans-to-claim-chauncey-billups.html

Makes more sence

[Proudiddy]

I would love the move, but how would that work salary wise? How much would we be paying him?

Also, if it happens, I'd expect that they're looking to move DJ then as ballwhore suggested...

[Sik Infant]

I'm down with everyone who thinks we should go after Thabeet, it won't hurt & he is solid if we're not expecting too much.

Would be good for Bismack at the very least.

[teej]

As long as there's a limited economical commitment, I'm all for Thabeet. But think about this:

We'd have three guys (Thabeet, Diop, Bismack) who can't score. We have a guy in Diaw who refuses to shoot, period. And we have three guys (Tyrus, Najera, DJ2) who refuse to shoot in the post.

That means our leading post scorer would be...Kemba?

[Sik Infant]

As long as there's a limited economical commitment, I'm all for Thabeet. But think about this:

We'd have three guys (Thabeet, Diop, Bismack) who can't score. We have a guy in Diaw who refuses to shoot, period. And we have three guys (Tyrus, Najera, DJ2) who refuse to shoot in the post.

That means our leading post scorer would be...Kemba?

Hopefully our leading scorer is Kemba but it is more likely that it is Maggette.

After Diop expires having Biyombo & Thabeet would be good for us as they are both very solid defensively, I believe Biyombo has some good offensive game & potential aswell.

[teej]

I meant leading post scorer. As in, points in the paint. This team is going to struggle massively in that department.

[Toocool]

I meant leading post scorer. As in, points in the paint. This team is going to struggle massively in that department.

Needs moar KWAMEGEDDON.
Assuming he resigns.
He actually didn't do too badly in the post last season, threw up a few clunkers and his touch isn't that good, but damn he's solid.
I remember a guy just bouncing right off him.

[ND22]

Bring in Hibbert. I'd much rather spend whatever excessive amount he's owed for one year than go after the likes of Spencer Hawes.

[Dcarnys]

Thabeet sounds good to me. Plus the Clippers already claimed Billiups.

[Sik Infant]

I meant leading post scorer. As in, points in the paint. This team is going to struggle massively in that department.

Sorry i missed the post bit, I know what a post scorer is...

I'd hope it would be Tyrus since we pay him 8m a year to do something(I don't know what that is)

[H21T]

I dont see the excitement or reasoning for getting Thabeet, other than hes still young. He has done absolutely nothing and will continue to do nothing.

Mayo is easily a player I could get excited for and want to see in Charlotte, I know most are okay with Hendo but Mayo has the higher ceiling to me. Kemba/Mayo just seems worlds above Kemba/Hendo in the long run. Thats what tanking is about correct? Rebuilding to prepare for the future.
I guess Id wonder where the Cats would want to go in the draft. I mean do you hope to land a Barbes/Sullinger/Drummond/or Davis or draft a guard like Lamb or Beal?

btw whats going on with Cunningham, did I miss something here?

[docend24]

Yes. He's a great pickup. I know Warriors fans that are upset he's leaving.

They are not.

[rsxnova]

Bring in Hibbert. I'd much rather spend whatever excessive amount he's owed for one year than go after the likes of Spencer Hawes.

And how do we land Hibbert? You dont just let go of a 7'2 center.

[akaseinfeld]

WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA) Adrian Wojnarowski



Kwame Brown has agreed to a 1 year deal with Warriors, source tells Y!

[onajourney]

Kwame is out...signed a 1 yr./$7 mil. contract with Golden State, according to Yahoo.

Yahoo tweets:Kwame Brown's deal with the Warriors will be for one year, $7 million, league source tells Y! .... Warriors to sign C Kwame Brown to 1-year, $7 million deal, source tells Y! Sports.

[cls77]

Never thought I'd say this about Kwame Brown.... but fu************!!!!!!!

[spectre]

:hysterical: @ Warriors!

Boris at C FTL!!!

[rsxnova]

Good for Kwame.

[cls77]

The remaining FA Centers are so shitastic:
http://www.nba.com/freeagents/2011/

I'd say go after Dalembert but if Kwame is getting 7 mil, Dalembert is going to get stupid money somewhere else.

How about a Ryan Hollins-Alexis Ajinca-Theo Ratliff trio? SMH.....

[Dcarnys]

Congrats Kwame but that really screws us over (which says alot). So who starts at Center now?? Diaw?? Tyrus?? Do we sign someone??

[Chef]

Congrats Kwame but that really screws us over (which says alot). So who starts at Center now?? Diaw?? Tyrus?? Do we sign someone??

who cares. play for the top 3 pick.

[Proudiddy]

we need to pick up a big somehow... a serviceable one. May as well sign up Thabeet. Silas seems to be able to bring out the best in guys that have been given up on.

[dav7z]

No way in hell KB is worth 7 milion a year . Talk about over paying . CHO keep MJ sane. Im sure we offered a two or three year deal around 10 milion . Im for signing Alexas or some other small contract. It might be a blessing hear . It opens the door for SMACK .

[Dcarnys]

who cares. play for the top 3 pick.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMk5sMHj58I

I don't mind if we get a top 3 pick believe me. I do want to see the team I pull for atleast try to win some games. Plus who knows, we could find another diamond in the rough. Also any excuse I get to watch that video makes me a happy camper haha.

[Proudiddy]

I don't want Ajinca anywhere within 3 states of here again... Dude is horrible and will never get any better.

I understand we're tanaking and it's a rebuilding year, but at least be competitive. I want lots of Smack and bring in a guy like Thabeet. I would love Dalembert but he's gonna cost too much.

[Twan's Kin]

Do we play Golden State at home this year? Looking forward to how fans greet Kwame and Curry.

[GoBobs]

I want Alexis. Remember last year in summer league when he was playing pretty well and Simmons was actually like maybe the Bobcats got a steal with that pick. Alright I know it was a long time ago. Anyway then the trade happened and he hasn't seen the court since. He has never gotten the chance to really play. When he has played for long stretches he has been decent. What is the worst that can happen we are horrible and get a top pick.

[cls77]

I want Alexis. Remember last year in summer league when he was playing pretty well and Simmons was actually like maybe the Bobcats got a steal with that pick. Alright I know it was a long time ago. Anyway then the trade happened and he hasn't seen the court since. He has never gotten the chance to really play. When he has played for long stretches he has been decent. What is the worst that can happen we are horrible and get a top pick.

My joking post earlier, I'd be happy with Ajinca and wouldn't mind Hollins either. Both will be cheap. Stay young. Move Diaw and possibly Maggette by the end of the season -- for picks -- this upcoming draft is going to be sick.

[spectre]

Pretty sure I read that Ajinca signed with a French team.

Is Hollins available? I wouldn't mind watching him pick up 6 quick fouls.

[The Prodigy]

My joking post earlier, I'd be happy with Ajinca and wouldn't mind Hollins either. Both will be cheap. Stay young. Move Diaw and possibly Maggette by the end of the season -- for picks -- this upcoming draft is going to be sick.

Im loling just thinking about this starting lineup to finish out the year

PG: Kemba
SG: Hendo
SF: Dante
PF: Tyrus
C: Biyombo

Please trade DJ, Diaw, and Magette to whoever will take them!

[SWedd523]

Congrats to Kwame for signing such a ridiculous deal.
Congrats to us for not being the team do to it.

I bet the Warriors are getting destroyed on RGM right now

[Proudiddy]

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Bobcats, Raptors, Blazers, Rockets all trying to sign Reggie Williams, whose qualifying offer from GS was rescinded Sunday. On the HT Blog.


I just don't see him picking us over them if the money is the same. I think he'd have a bigger role with those teams and will most likely win more games.

[ammofan]

I just don't see him picking us over them if the money is the same. I think he'd have a bigger role with those teams and will most likely win more games.

F*** all of those teams. Charlotte is where it's at.

[Proudiddy]

Wanted to make it an individual thread, but like all others we discuss and wish to happen, they never do, so I'll put it here...


ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
ESPN sources: In most advanced scenario, Nuggets offer to take Rudy F and Brewer from Dallas into cap space for future draft considerations


Just checked it out in the trade machine and we can take on both guys without sending anything back. I would love to do this trade and flip Rudy b/c he wouldn't want to be here anyway... On top of that, I'd feel like we finally won in a Dallas trade by getting depth and a pick. We should jump all over this.

[Proudiddy]

Too late. Trade is done.

[Wolfpackbobcat]

How about Chris Douglas Roberts...nba.com says he's still available

[The Prodigy]

How about Chris Douglas Roberts...nba.com says he's still available

Hes on my wishlist.

1. Hasheem Thabeet
2. Chris Douglas Roberts

[DwiLLL]

damn are things really that bad where we are wishing for CDR or Thabeet.

[Twan's Kin]

Do you think that Kyrylo Fesenko is at the top of Higgins' and Cho's wishlist ??

[Scottley Crue]

Do you think that Kyrylo Fesenko is at the top of Higgins' and Cho's wishlist ??

Given what's out there, he's a guy I think they should definitely go after. The guy's as wide as a house and could prove to be a nice back-up center for the future. Also should go after Thabeet if he's given amnesty because, um, why not? He can't cost that much and for a team that needs centers, you can't argue with a 7' 3" guy being available to you.

[ammofan]

Has Thabeet officially be amnestied?

[docend24]

No. So far. not yet. 10 characters.

Actually probably won't be as Nene is signed, M.Gasol is signed, Chandler is signed.

[dav7z]

I know we not going to be be good . But do you guys get pissed on us doing nothing . What are we waiting on we have to fill the roster. Or are we looking for a aninisty player? ALL i can figure.

[Proudiddy]

Obvioulsy we all hope Smack turns out to be awesome, but this makes me REALLY hope he turns out awesome...

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7351542/sources-new-jersey-nets-serious-talks-get-dwight-howard

In the latest talks, the Nets find a way to get the Blazers involved and one of the biggest assets going to the Magic is... You guessed it - Gerald Wallace.

I'm glad with us ultimately being able to get two lottery picks out of that, but it took us trading our other biggest asset to do so. I still feel like we should've gotten more for Crash, and this kind of speaks to that...

[spectre]

Man that sucks for Crash. I know he'd rather be warm though...so maybe he wouldn't mind too much?

I just don't see what would be in it for Portland..."multiple first-round picks as part of the exchange". We'd be talking late picks wouldn't we?

[spectre]

I know we not going to be be good . But do you guys get pissed on us doing nothing . What are we waiting on we have to fill the roster. Or are we looking for a aninisty player? ALL i can figure.

In Cho I Trust.

[dav7z]

In Cho I Trust.

Does disapointment slap you in the face ever time you see another team sign a player. It does me for some reason.

[spectre]

Does disapointment slap you in the face ever time you see another team sign a player. It does me for some reason.

Nah. For the 1st time ever I actually have some confidence that we're in good hands in regards to our FO. If we suddenly make a dumbass spur of the moment signing it'd actually hurt my newfound confidence...it'd mean that Jordan is meddling.

Keep that cap flexibility for next year and the year after unless it's a no brainer. So far I've not seen any of those except maybe the Turief to WAS trade. Even with that one it's really not a good fit as we're loaded at PF.

[spectre]

Related to free agency...just hope it's not related to OUR FA:


@chadfordinsider Chad Ford
Just filed to ESPN: Pistons & restricted FA RodneyStuckey (http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1143124&start=75#) at an impasse. Stuckey balking at Pistons' 5 year, $40-45 million offerIs he out of his freaking mind?

He being both Dumars for offering that much and Stuckey for not signing already?

[Toocool]

Agreed with Spec.
Cho's just too damn smart.
I much prefer him to Higgins.

[ND22]

Gerald Wallace in a Orlando Magic jersey makes me sick. I love the guy, but keep him in the West so we only play against him twice. Seeing him 4 times a year and competing against us in the division would be hard.

But hey, credit to the Magic, if they get Lopez and Wallace that's a pretty good return for Dwight.

I love it though, Dwight wants out of Orlando to get away from players like Hedo and Duhon...and now they would be following him to NJ.

[akaseinfeld]

WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA) Adrian Wojnarowski



New York, Portland, Charlotte and Detroit are the four finalists for forward Reggie Williams, league sources tell Y! Sports.

[docend24]

Related to free agency...just hope it's not related to OUR FA:

Is he out of his freaking mind?

He being both Dumars for offering that much and Stuckey for not signing already?

I agree. But what do we know, he may find someone crazy next summer with some team with cap space missing on stars and it could then look like a sold move after wise. We laugh at Chandler how he double checked not to option out of last year of his contract, thinking it was his last big payday and look what just happened. Would help if Stuckey would be big body brusier and not a guard without a clear position. Looks like he loked around didn't notice he is shorter than Kwame and is either dumb or has children to feet Sprewell way.

[bes628]

WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA) Adrian Wojnarowski



New York, Portland, Charlotte and Detroit are the four finalists for forward Reggie Williams, league sources tell Y! Sports.

hmm..I wonder how this is gonna end.

[superb1]

hmm..I wonder how this is gonna end.

beat me to it

[Scottley Crue]

Well, New York only has the new "room" exception to offer, which is $2.5 million. I feel sure he could get more elsewhere.

Portland has a lot of irons in the fire...possibly involved in a Dwight trade, putting offers out for Jamal Crawford. I imagine he'd be a fallback option there, with his salary determined by the outcome of those situations the Blazers are involved in.

Detroit is trying to re-sign Stuckey, but considering he turned down their latest offer, Williams may be a very attractive option for the Pistons.

Us? He'd get nice playing time and could be a big part of the building part of this team. Thing is, he could do the same for Detroit. It may come down to a bidding war with the Pistons. I really like the guy's game...I think he could be for the Bobcats what Dell Curry was for the Hornets. I hope they can make a convincing pitch and a good offer. We need a guy like him.

[spectre]

Well, New York only has the new "room" exception to offer, which is $2.5 million. I feel sure he could get more elsewhere.

Portland has a lot of irons in the fire...possibly involved in a Dwight trade, putting offers out for Jamal Crawford. I imagine he'd be a fallback option there, with his salary determined by the outcome of those situations the Blazers are involved in.

Detroit is trying to re-sign Stuckey, but considering he turned down their latest offer, Williams may be a very attractive option for the Pistons.

Us? He'd get nice playing time and could be a big part of the building part of this team. Thing is, he could do the same for Detroit. It may come down to a bidding war with the Pistons. I really like the guy's game...I think he could be for the Bobcats what Dell Curry was for the Hornets. I hope they can make a convincing pitch and a good offer. We need a guy like him.

I think that if the money is equal (and that could be a big "if" considering our tight ass owner) we will get him. Portland will probably get Crawford so they won't have the money unless they do trade Crash for cap relief. Detroit is saying they won't S&T Stuckey so he's there for at least most of this season along with Ben Gordon, Bynum & Knight playing guard.

Here he'd most likely be 1st off the bench behind Hendo supplanting Carroll.

[ballwhore]

Keep that cap flexibility for next year and the year after unless it's a no brainer. So far I've not seen any of those except maybe the Turief to WAS trade. Even with that one it's really not a good fit as we're loaded at PF.[/QUOTE]

Flexibility huhhhh.....We'll see with cheap azz especially after the money Charlotte will loose this year. If he wanted to spend money Charlotte wouldn't be bottom dwellers.

[spectre]

Keep that cap flexibility for next year and the year after unless it's a no brainer. So far I've not seen any of those except maybe the Turief to WAS trade. Even with that one it's really not a good fit as we're loaded at PF.

Flexibility huhhhh.....We'll see with cheap azz especially after the money Charlotte will loose this year. If he wanted to spend money Charlotte wouldn't be bottom dwellers.

He was spending near the LT for a borderline playoff team. Think maybe if he pushed it up to 90 million we could get to the 4th seed/home court advantage with that group?

Hilarious. I'm probably the most disenchanted fan on here about what happened last season. I'm still pissed about trading Crash. However, what's done is done. If we're going to tank we need to frigging TANK.

Besides, with the example of the Panthers this year I think that if we deal DJ early enough (I'd have done it already) and get Smack on the court we can generate the same type of excitement while still going for a top pick. If we show potential and some promise then I think the fans will still come.

[ballwhore]

The same excitement of a playoff team? Really? While getting the sh#t kick out of you every night. Again, the panthers have Kam Newton Heisman trophy winning Kam Newton rock star known among people that don't really follow football. Who does that on this team? It will be exciting to bobcatsplanet.com but the casual fan is passing on this 9 times out of 10 which equals an empty arena and marquee players not trying to come to Charlote unless it's the last resort. Hell the arena is only filled when Boston, LA, and top tier teams come to town as it stands even during the playoff run. Unless Blake Griffin dresses up in a bobcat uniform and gets to dunking while losing your excitement will be shared by few.

[SWedd523]

How did the Panthers go about getting Cam Newton? Oh yeah, by being really bad.

[ballwhore]

In the nfl the first pick is set when you suck the NBA has a lottery. Who is the rock star of next year draft Swedd?

[SWedd523]

In the nfl the first pick is set when you suck the NBA has a lottery. Who is the rock star of next year draft Swedd?

And how exactly do you get more lottery balls?......... by sucking more than the other teams.


And it's too early to tell. If you want a big man, then try Davis or Drummond. If you want a wing, then go for Lamb.

[ballwhore]

So in the NFL they were saying suck for Luck(Andrew). Is our slogan suck for balls?:facepalm:

[SWedd523]

So in the NFL they were saying suck for Luck(Andrew). Is our slogan suck for balls?:facepalm:

If you want to call it that. How else would you suggest we build a contender? Make a bunch of trades for pseudo all-stars, have the 5th highest payroll, and hope that gets it done. Or keep drafting until we get a superstar?


The best way to get the highest pick is to have more lottery balls
The best way to get more lottery balls is to have a worse record
That's just the nature of the beast

[H21T]

Swedd is exactly right in this situation.
Charlotte has to rebuild from the bottom up, they need Kemba to win rookie of the year, they need Biyombo to come in and be a good shot blocker. Use those two guys to build some sort of hype around the team. They are doing the right thing by tanking and not wasting cap on free agents we wont be building around a la half the names in this thread. If they grab a top 3-5 pick next year, move things around and trade up to another top 10 team things will look much brighter. The cats have to build a fan base which is nonexistant right now and this is the way to do it unless you can get a lebron, wade, paul, howard which sadly we cant until we get pieces around and a fan base that cares.

[H21T]

Oh yeah.
Reggie Williams 2 year 5 mil deal with Charlotte! How about that for some news.

[ND22]

Oh yeah.
Reggie Williams 2 year 5 mil deal with Charlotte! How about that for some news.

I actually got really excited upon reading the news. I know we have a lot of needs, but he filled one and I'm happy we signed him.

[H21T]

I actually got really excited upon reading the news. I know we have a lot of needs, but he filled one and I'm happy we signed him.

Sadly enough I too was ecstatic about signing Reggie. I think he can be a great addition here and I cant wait to see what this can do for his numbers.

[anton273]

For real? he's signed?

[sprtsguyshowonyoutube]

For real? he's signed?Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/#%21/WojYahooNBA) 16m (https://twitter.com/#%21/WojYahooNBA/status/147089851345408000)

Details (https://twitter.com/#%21/WojYahooNBA/status/147089851345408000)

Reggie Williams has agreed to a two-year deal, $5 million deal with Charlotte, a league source tells Y! Sports.


Great move cats

[Proudiddy]

F*ck yeah. About time.

[anton273]

Just as i was about to go to sleep aswell..... (23.25 here in England)

This is great news i'm surprised he signed with us for that cheap but that is some really good business there.

Cho working his magic :)

[ND22]

http://i.imgur.com/47HYb.jpg

[ammofan]

f*ck yeah. About time.

this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Plowright]

I know he is a bust. But anyone be interested in Joe Alexander? He is very athletic... not much else. But right now we have Diop, Boris and Melvin at centre. We could do with someone who can get up!

[ammofan]

I know he is a bust. But anyone be interested in Joe Alexander? He is very athletic... not much else. But right now we have Diop, Boris and Melvin at centre. We could do with someone who can get up!

No. Bring back Adam.

[ND22]

No. Bring back Adam.

Speaking of busts... :p

[spectre]

Oh yeah.
Reggie Williams 2 year 5 mil deal with Charlotte! How about that for some news.

Told ya. That's exactly what NY had, so we probably equaled his best offer...only we probably were willing to go for more than 1 year.

Not an out of the ball park move but something to get excited for nevertheless.

[spectre]

The same excitement of a playoff team? Really? While getting the sh#t kick out of you every night. Again, the panthers have Kam Newton Heisman trophy winning Kam Newton rock star known among people that don't really follow football. Who does that on this team? It will be exciting to bobcatsplanet.com but the casual fan is passing on this 9 times out of 10 which equals an empty arena and marquee players not trying to come to Charlote unless it's the last resort. Hell the arena is only filled when Boston, LA, and top tier teams come to town as it stands even during the playoff run. Unless Blake Griffin dresses up in a bobcat uniform and gets to dunking while losing your excitement will be shared by few.

Some think our new draft picks could do some damage. It doesn't take that much to cause some excitement in the city.

We were at the fringe playoff line and MJ lost 20 million. With the new revenue sharing odds are pretty damn good that he won't lose that much this year while going for the 1st overall pick.

With the only true piece keeping us from rebuilding gone now is the perfect time.

[ballwhore]

[QUOTE=H21T;202434]Swedd is exactly right in this situation.
Charlotte has to rebuild from the bottom up, they need Kemba to win rookie of the year, they need Biyombo to come in and be a good shot blocker. Use those two guys to build some sort of hype around
And I need an ounce of Charlotte's finest come chill with me and get to reality. Is this a 5 year plan? Eventually rookies have to get paid and we haven't paid anyone but Tyrus. (That move is uhhh...) I can't wait for the season. Just to be going through this sh3t with smack is a joke it should have been resolved Cuban or anyone else would have paid the lousy 500k. Pay them off and then he doesn't pan out then what? He is not Olajuwon and never will be ..f#ck it i'm just in a negative state of mind because I can't beleive MJ is running this sh#t out there and expect us to pay for it..I'm done I have nothing else to say about the situation. Hopefully ya'll build in the draft because nobody picks a loser and you will need proven vets in the end or forever.:thumbdown:

[G Wuh Wuh Wuh Wallace]

[QUOTE=H21T;202434]Swedd is exactly right in this situation.
Charlotte has to rebuild from the bottom up, they need Kemba to win rookie of the year, they need Biyombo to come in and be a good shot blocker. Use those two guys to build some sort of hype around
And I need an ounce of Charlotte's finest come chill with me and get to reality. Is this a 5 year plan? Eventually rookies have to get paid and we haven't paid anyone but Tyrus. (That move is uhhh...) I can't wait for the season. Just to be going through this sh3t with smack is a joke it should have been resolved Cuban or anyone else would have paid the lousy 500k. Pay them off and then he doesn't pan out then what? He is not Olajuwon and never will be ..f#ck it i'm just in a negative state of mind because I can't beleive MJ is running this sh#t out there and expect us to pay for it..I'm done I have nothing else to say about the situation. Hopefully ya'll build in the draft because nobody picks a loser and you will need proven vets in the end or forever.:thumbdown:

whatever man...... peace to you and DJ

[bes628]

Wait....smacks contract buyout is only 500k ??!! Pay that shit mike!

[SWedd523]

Wait....smacks contract buyout is only 500k ??!! Pay that shit mike!

I think it's actually upwards of $2 million

[ND22]

I think it's actually upwards of $2 million

$1.4 million and Charlotte can only pay up $500k of it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6711787

So no, not even Cuban could get this guy in training camp. :)

[SWedd523]

Ahh I was thinking it was 1.5 AFTER we covered our portion. We can actually cover up to 525k now in the new CBA, though.



Good teamwork ;)

[ND22]

Ahh I was thinking it was 1.5 AFTER we covered our portion. We can actually cover up to 525k now in the new CBA, though.



Good teamwork ;)

I think Rubio's buyout was 1.5 after the T-Wolves pitched in. :g:

Anyways, this whole buyout process is puzzling (and yes, I lack any knowledge of the legal process what so ever so bear with me). Smack's spanish team wants to get paid, but it appears Smack doesn't have the money to buy himself out or he'd be here by now. Why can't his former team strike a deal that says he has to pay them once he gets his contract. I understand that will be a large portion of Smack's contract, but where is this money going to come from now?

[spectre]

That's less than I thought too; like Swedd I was thinking 2 million give or take.

Smack shouldn't have any trouble getting the funds to pay those guys off. I've read that at times the agent will loan the player money to buyout prior committments. Hell, Smack could probably go to a bank for a loan...he's due 2.3 million prorated for this season.

Don't blame him for trying to get out of it if he can tho...esp. if he only loses a couple weeks.

[docend24]

It is not about the money. They broke his contract by not paying him which according to his camp made his contract (can't find source for that right now, but I am pretty sure I remeber that correctly).

However, DX wrote in April: "Biyombo is under contract with Fuenlabrada for another three years, but he has a relatively simple NBA buyout clause (€1 million Euros). What's even more attractive is the fact that the NBA team that drafts him can rest assured knowing that he can continue to play in Europe in the event of a lockout, which won't slow his development."

Still more than 525k and why wiould you want to pay if you don't have to. It is not like Fuenlabrada prepared him for years they just took gamble on him and he panned out more they could even hoped.

[The Prodigy]

Travis Outlaw has been amnestied by the Nets.

Hes not really of much use for us though.

[spectre]

Dante Cunningham Turns Down QO (http://dimemag.com/2011/12/dime-exclusive-dante-cunningham-will-not-take-qualifying-offer-in-charlotte-has-received-offers/)


In June, Bobcats President of Basketball Operations Rod Higgins announced that the team has extended Cunningham a qualifying offer of about $1 million, making him a restricted free agent. The qualifying offer allows the Bobcats to match any offer he receives from another team. Cunningham will not be taking the qualifying offer, a league source told Dime. He has been talking with other teams and has received a couple offers. The source also said that Cunningham would consider returning to Charlotte.We could still sign him...it'll just be for more than the 1 million. We have competition tho.

[The Prodigy]

Dante Cunningham Turns Down QO (http://dimemag.com/2011/12/dime-exclusive-dante-cunningham-will-not-take-qualifying-offer-in-charlotte-has-received-offers/)

We could still sign him...it'll just be for more than the 1 million. We have competition tho.

I think he is bluffing about the "other teams". He(his agent) saw that Reggie Williams was out for 6-8 weeks and realized that they just gained some possible leverage.

Thats my initial reaction, at least.

[TheBeagle]

Dante Cunningham Turns Down QO (http://dimemag.com/2011/12/dime-exclusive-dante-cunningham-will-not-take-qualifying-offer-in-charlotte-has-received-offers/)

We could still sign him...it'll just be for more than the 1 million. We have competition tho. Not worth it. Get a D leaguer for league minimum until Reggie's ready to roll.

[Twan's Kin]

Dante had his chance, and we went with UPS instead. Good luck elsewhere Dante.

[stun704]

how do you turn down a qualifiying offer?

[superb1]

Dante had his chance, and we went with UPS instead. Good luck elsewhere Dante.

Thought his chance was up when he got caught with the weed. I gave up on him then thinking he would not be back but I believe he is better than UPS. UPS need to prove he is worth bringing back and worth more than the song and dance.

[adam187]

Thought his chance was up when he got caught with the weed. I gave up on him then thinking he would not be back but I believe he is better than UPS. UPS need to prove he is worth bringing back and worth more than the song and dance.

In the words of the immortal Kenny Powers: "And if Montel Williams wants to talk shit some more then he can go fuck himself, 'cause those charges were dropped."

[superb1]

In the words of the immortal Kenny Powers: "And if Montel Williams wants to talk shit some more then he can go fuck himself, 'cause those charges were dropped."

huh!!!!!!!!!!!! smh

[Plowright]

I can't see us chasing him with money after signing UPS and Reggie. I reckon he will probably go

[dav7z]

As of friday his qo was still good . Higgens said we had no plans to resend the offer.. And both parties had to agree if its resended now. It looks like its still very likely he signs for us this season. I don't think hes going to get a better in the next week.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/12/16/2855875/charlotte-bobcats-roster-getting.html

[Chef]

since nobody else seems to want him and biz is stuck in europe what about a 1 or 2 year offer for chris humphries? dude can board and get dirty points. plus it would at least bring a little attention to us. maybe 1 year 8 or 9 mil? couldn't hurt right?

[SWedd523]

We don't have near that much money to offer

[ammofan]

since nobody else seems to want him and biz is stuck in europe what about a 1 or 2 year offer for chris humphries? dude can board and get dirty points. plus it would at least bring a little attention to us. maybe 1 year 8 or 9 mil? couldn't hurt right?

It's Kris Humphries :P

But yeah I have been saying we should sign him. He's only worth 4-5 million tho.

[Chef]

He's only worth 4-5 million tho.

that's why a 1 yr deal for 8 or 9 mil could be a good thing. he would sign it and could be great trade fodder to a contender late in the season to pick up a late first rounder.

[The Prodigy]

Why hasnt Humphries been drawing more attention? Didnt he have a pretty good season last year? Is it really all about the Kardashian stuff?

[ammofan]

that's why a 1 yr deal for 8 or 9 mil could be a good thing. he would sign it and could be great trade fodder to a contender late in the season to pick up a late first rounder.

Yeah I'm agreeing with you. I have no problem giving him that for a year. Especially after what I saw from the bigs and team in general tonight...

[SWedd523]

......we don't have 8 or 9 mil to throw at anybody

[Chef]

......we don't have 8 or 9 mil to throw at anybody

i thought we were way under the tax. no?

[SWedd523]

We're about $6mil below the cap right now. That's before the ~$3 million hold we're likely to have for Bismack and before the QO for Dante which is as $1 million right now. So in reality, we have around $2 million to give to new players

[Chef]

We're about $6mil below the cap right now. That's before the ~$3 million hold we're likely to have for Bismack and before the QO for Dante which is as $1 million right now. So in reality, we have around $2 million to give to new players

well then there goes that plan. what about 2 mil and an organization produced reality show that paints him as the world's most interesting man part deux?

of course it would air in all 50 states except the carolinas.

[ohara831]

Clippers waived Willie Warren. Only 22. Another young PG to bring in and take a chance can show some promise?

[Plowright]

i thought about that as well. But thought that would be too inexperianced backourt. Get a vet i vote

[The Prodigy]

The Cavs waived Manny Harris today.

He seems like he is a decent young player, but I dont know much about him. Should we be interested?

[Fred Williamson]

Why hasnt Humphries been drawing more attention? Didnt he have a pretty good season last year? Is it really all about the Kardashian stuff?

yep

10char

[Plowright]

Source says OKC Thunder expected to complete a buyout of guard Nate Robinson's contract by tomorrow morning and he will become a free agent.
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For a season where we are going to lose, this guy could bring some excitment to the fans for sure. Plus we only have two pg so we could use a 3rd guard in the rotation, as if one gets injured we are playing Boris at the Point. So would you rather have Nacho, Moon or Nate? Thats if he wanted to come here...

So we need

[superb1]

The Heat just waived Eddie House, there's another option

[SWedd523]

Eddie House won't be coming back to Charlotte

[ziggy]

I could deal with Nate as a backup PG this season.

If nothing else, the little people big world jokes would be hilarity.

[DY_nasty]

one more undersized guard would make my head spin

[ammofan]

You know I at first wasn't really interested when I heard that Nate was getting waived....but now I might not have much wrong with picking him up. He's at least an exciting player who will shoot...we seem to have an issue getting shots up at some points.

[docend24]

I hate him with passion.

[ND22]

Eddie House and Nate Robinson, probably the two biggest Napolean complexs in the NBA.

WHY NOT?!??

[joerrad]

we should pick him up for the simple fact that he would be a bobcat in the all-star game activities (dunk contest).

[SWedd523]

lol no thanks on Tiny Nate

[adam187]

The Warriors waived Jeremy Lin. He's not a superstar or anything, but I think he could be a decent back-up or 3rd guard, especially if we get rid of DJ. Nice kid, young, plays defense, has size for the position, I assume Stephen Silas worked with him a bit last year. He's also a pretty decent draw, particularly on the road. Could be a good pick up in my mind.

Bump. If he keeps playing as well as he has been, I'm gonna be all like "I told ya so!"

[Toocool]

Bump. If he keeps playing as well as he has been, I'm gonna be all like "I told ya so!"

Clap clap for quoting yourself.
We bow in awe of your brilliance and foresight.

Reality check time.
Until he shows he can consistently play at a high level, there's not reason to buy into the hype whatsoever.
Two big games back to back, amazing.
Even highlights videos can make scrubs looks like superstars.

[adam187]

i will continue to quote myself at length. and yes, i consider myself an expert on all waived ivy league basketball players.

i doubt jeremy lin continues to play this well, i just think he would have been a better grab than cory higgins. he definitely seems like he woulda been a good backup for a dj/kemba type point guard. plus any hype he brought to the bobcats would have been good hype. just seems like the team missed out on an opportunity here.

[Proudiddy]

I was actually going to make a thread about Jeremy Lin. I am a fan and would love to add him. I think he has starter potential and would be a great 3rd guard at worst. I hope we pick him up but I didn't make the thread because our front office isn't doing shit so I didn't think it mattered.

I'm with adam187... Time to requote ourselves and tell you all the truth... We are psychic. POW POW POW!

[mrtarheel]

Just read where Sonny Weems might be coming back to the NBA. He would be a solid pick up for us if we could sign him for acouple of yrs at a resenable rate. Good help with NBA experience off the bench is hard to come by and he is still young.

[SWedd523]

I still find it hilarious how every time random scrub X has a great game out of nowhere, the FO is a bunch of idiots. Lin will go back to anonymity in a week or so. Stop bitchin'

[adam187]

Everybody hating on me and Proudiddy.

Proudiddy and Adam187 for Bobcat's GM and President of Basketball Operations 2012!

We will bring fortune, fame, and Jeremy Lin to the struggling franchise.

[spectre]

Agree 100% with this.

LOL!

I don't know where you guys are digging this up from...but I'd bet I was for him just because of all the Asian links it would have brought us.

...and you definitely have a point about Higgins. You guys know he became fully guaranteed after yesterday right?

Yeah.

[dav7z]

[QUOTE=spectre;207195]LOL!

I don't know where you guys are digging this up from...but I'd bet I was for him just because of all the Asian links it would have brought us.

...and you definitely have a point about Higgins. You guys know he became fully guaranteed after yesterday right?




Ouch . We could have done with out that . That kinda makes a statement . MJ isn't going to pay another cent for this team to tank. Can't blame him though.

[cltblkhscoach]

I knew there was a connection with Jeremy Lin somewhere, and if there's anymore doubts about Stephen Silas, they should be trashed right now...

[cltblkhscoach]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/12/25/1933752/nba-today.html#storylink=misearch

[ohara831]

I still find it hilarious how every time random scrub X has a great game out of nowhere, the FO is a bunch of idiots. Lin will go back to anonymity in a week or so. Stop bitchin'

You are very often correct. But I am not so sure about this time. Kid is still playing better than anyone on the Bobcats. Might be time to think about giving him some credit.

[SWedd523]

You are very often correct. But I am not so sure about this time. Kid is still playing better than anyone on the Bobcats. Might be time to think about giving him some credit.

Look what happened to Mullens

[ohara831]

Look what happened to Mullens

I'll make a bet with you. See if the kid can do it 5 games in a row. Tonight the Knicks play at Minny. Will be the back end of a back to back for NY. If Lin has another 20+ pt night and at least 5 assists, you jump on the bandwagon. If he falls short, I'll jump off. Deal?

[Chef]

I'll make a bet with you. See if the kid can do it 5 games in a row. Tonight the Knicks play at Minny. Will be the back end of a back to back for NY. If Lin has another 20+ pt night and at least 5 assists, you jump on the bandwagon. If he falls short, I'll jump off. Deal?

better indicator is the next full week coming up. now teams will specially prepare for him and film study the crap out of him. if he can be a 15pt, 7 assist guy for the next two weeks that is meaningful and he will probably be a fringe starter. if he is in the 20 pt, 8 assist range he is a solid starter. if he is above that he may be the find of the decade.

[SWedd523]

I'll make a bet with you. See if the kid c an do it 5 games in a row. Tonight the Knicks play at Minny. Will be the back end of a back to back for NY. If Lin has another 20+ pt night and at least 5 assists, you jump on the bandwagon. If he falls short, I'll jump off. Deal?

It's not that I'm not a fan of him. I'm sure you can go back in my post history and see where I talked positively about him while he was still at Harvard. I'm impressed by what he's done and am happy for the fame he's received. But I really DON'T like how everybody is all over his jock now and acting like he's the best PG in the league. Even Tyrus Thomas has had been a 20/10 player for a week at a time.


Maybe that's just more indicative of society as a whole? For example, some thread on here or BCP saying MJ and the team might not survive a rebuild.......... and it's only been ~50 games. How fast do people expect a rebuild to happen? I digress.

[adam187]

for me, it's all about the jared jeffries bandwagon. it's the jj train, baby!

[adam187]

I'm not really a fan of Lin. Unathletic as hell, can't guard anybody or beat his man. He's basically a PG version of Matt Carroll. ]

do you still agree with this assessment? i'm not saying Lin is the end all be all or anything, i only thought he would be a good pg complement to kemba/dj. obviously i still think that.

these last few games have been insane. clearly no one saw this coming, and it would be ridiculous to keep expecting it. but it's certainly a great story if nothing else.

[Manvydas]

I think for the 2012 summer we need to trade out some bad contracts like Diop, Maggette Spaggeti, maybe Tyrus Thomas if we can trade them sacrificing Augustine and get some late 1st rounders I will be happy.

[bes628]

We need to dump Maggette,Diaw,Diop, TT, and Carroll. Those guys bring very little to the table right now, except wasting space/eating cap. And we need to move DJA before we let him walk for free....we all know its coming.