2011-12 Draft Pick Discussion

[BBQNut]

who?

we'll have a top 3 pick, possible the first pick if Smack isn't ready to
contribute.

We absolutely have to get a game changer...

first choice...Drummond at center.

second choice...Davis at PF...not quite sold on him yet as a top 2 pick, but
he's close.

third...Barnes....if he continues to develop, he's got the drive to be a game changer.

what say ye..

[Chrystos]

Davis would be my first choice. Then Miller with my second. And then Barnes. Hope we don't pick Drummound I think he will either be a huge bust or stay in college.

[Chef]

if he shows an increased maturity, i would look really hard at perry jones.

[Pepperz]

1st Drummond cuz its hard to find that quality C. It will move Bitchsmack to PF and could potential create the best front court. 2 bigs that can dominate the interior.

2nd Davis cuz his upside is crazy. He just need to put on weight so he wont get pushed around so easy. I thought he could be a Durant clone with the height and speed but he hasnt shown the offensive power that I was looking for.

3. Barnes He has Great Hill potential. Somebody that can do a little bit of everything. I would like for him to become the Jordan-esqe with that killer instinct. He wants to be the best and will do everything possible to reach it.

[SWedd523]

I follow college ball pretty closely. I've probably watched 50 NCAA games so far this season, and thus far my Bobcats Big Board looks as follows:



1/2. Drummond and Davis: both are those super young, crazy potential big men that you just simply cannot pass on. Davis hasn't shown much offensively, and Drummmond hasn't shown much period. But those two are at the top of nearly everyone's board

3. Lamb: he is the only wing player thus far to show that he's capable of putting the team on his back and taking over the game. His ability to score at will and potentially be a great defender is something the Bobcats desperately need and just can't pass on. You fit him into your roster regardless since he's simply the next best player

---------------------------this is where things start to get a bit ehhh---------------------------

4. Miller: fits a position of need so he's moved up, but there are concerns about his health. He's shown to be a great player, so we just have to wait and see how he continues to heal from the knee injury

5. Sullinger: offensive potential is a nice pairing next to Bismack. Bigs are always valued highly, but I just wish he was a bit taller/longer. I don't like the prospects of two 6'9'' guys manning our frontcourt for the future

6. Barnes: position of need, capable scorer, great defender, all the tools necessary except the one we need most... killer instict. He'll continue to slip until he proves otherwise

7. Henson: once again, super talented big guys go high. He's lower because he's a Junior so you question his upside. I think he could be a nice fit with Bismack if he continues to show he can score the ball

8. Beal: super underrated and not talked about enough, at all. Great shooter, great rebounder, good defender. Splits time in a crowded backcourt and still produces. And there just aren't better prospects right now

9. P Jones: tall, lanky big man. See above. He's this low because I have a feeling he's a moron.

10. T Jones: NBA body without a defined NBA position. All around package, needs to smarten up a bit.

[Pepperz]

Henson reminds me of Ed Davis. He is just to damn skinny.

[Toocool]

I follow college ball pretty closely. I've probably watched 50 NCAA games so far this season, and thus far my Bobcats Big Board looks as follows:



1/2. Drummond and Davis: both are those super young, crazy potential big men that you just simply cannot pass on. Davis hasn't shown much offensively, and Drummmond hasn't shown much period. But those two are at the top of nearly everyone's board

3. Lamb: he is the only wing player thus far to show that he's capable of putting the team on his back and taking over the game. His ability to score at will and potentially be a great defender is something the Bobcats desperately need and just can't pass on. You fit him into your roster regardless since he's simply the next best player

---------------------------this is where things start to get a bit ehhh---------------------------

4. Miller: fits a position of need so he's moved up, but there are concerns about his health. He's shown to be a great player, so we just have to wait and see how he continues to heal from the knee injury

5. Sullinger: offensive potential is a nice pairing next to Bismack. Bigs are always valued highly, but I just wish he was a bit taller/longer. I don't like the prospects of two 6'9'' guys manning our frontcourt for the future

6. Barnes: position of need, capable scorer, great defender, all the tools necessary except the one we need most... killer instict. He'll continue to slip until he proves otherwise

7. Henson: once again, super talented big guys go high. He's lower because he's a Junior so you question his upside. I think he could be a nice fit with Bismack if he continues to show he can score the ball

8. Beal: super underrated and not talked about enough, at all. Great shooter, great rebounder, good defender. Splits time in a crowded backcourt and still produces. And there just aren't better prospects right now

9. P Jones: tall, lanky big man. See above. He's this low because I have a feeling he's a moron.

10. T Jones: NBA body without a defined NBA position. All around package, needs to smarten up a bit.

King of college Ball.
Who would you pick though out of 1/2?
Drummond or Davis?

[Pepperz]

Drummond. He reminds me of a C-Webb/Amare hybrid.

[SWedd523]

That's the second time I've had my post get deleted. I'm going to try and summarize it this time. FACK



Drummond has a higher potential
Davis has a better chance of reaching his potential

Drummond tends to check out from time to time
Davis is a smarter, more technically sound player

Drummond has more physical gifts, is a phenomenal athlete for his size
Davis is more of an end-to-end, finesse type player

Drummond has the potential to be a great man defender
Davis has the potential to be a great help defender

Drummond looks like more of a pick and roll offensive player
Davis looks to be able to add a jumper to his game

Drummond is very similar to Bismack in the way they play the game
Davis offers a different dynamic


So it depends on if you want to take another super risky player like Bismack in Drummond, or if you want to take a guy with a slightly lower upside, but better chance of reaching it in Davis because he's a better fit

[BBQNut]

well the good news is we get to watch these guys play out the year before we get to pick,
but Barnes and Drummond need to catch fire. Davis isn't proving he's the best pick, but
he's the one that has the most momentum to get there.

[SWedd523]

Barnes has done nothing but slip and slip and slip this year. He's not even my top SF target anymore.

[Chef]

So it depends on if you want to take another super risky player like Bismack in Drummond, or if you want to take a guy with a slightly lower upside, but better chance of reaching it in Davis because he's a better fit

my opinion: if we have a top 5 pick, never ever ever draft for need. always go with the best player available/highest talent and shoot for the moon. it will work itself out. i would rather have both biz and drummond realize their potential and be forced which version of dwight howard we want to keep long term or max out both. those are good problems to have.

[Sik Infant]

I'd be in the minority but if we landed the top pick I'd trade down for Barnes/prospects/picks, a trade like that could have more impact on our future than just drummond/Davis.

Again I could be in the minority.

[SWedd523]

You are.


Barnes hasn't shown the ability to be a consistent #1, main option on offense. The only wing that has done that thus far is Jeremy Lamb

[Sik Infant]

You are.


Barnes hasn't shown the ability to be a consistent #1, main option on offense. The only wing that has done that thus far is Jeremy Lamb

I still think Barnes fits in well with us.

Say the Clippers make the playoffs(without trading for Paul) & we suck it up & luck into the #1 pick & they want Drummond(say he has a massive second half/tourney) the Clips could trade us 6(Minny pick)16(theirs) & Aminu/Bledsoe....

We could potentially land Barnes/Beal & Aminu/Bledsoe for the #1.

[SWedd523]

Talk about a completely unrealistic hypothetical situation

[Sik Infant]

Yes it's hypothetical to say the least but isn't that what forum boards are about.

That scenario could actually come true...

[SWedd523]

Sure it could, and it'd be a good trade. But we could also trade Diop and Diaw for LeBron. Who knows, it could come true ;)

[Sik Infant]

Sure it could, and it'd be a good trade. But we could also trade Diop and Diaw for LeBron. Who knows, it could come true ;)

One of those has a better chance of coming true.

In the hypothetical situation of us landing the #1 pick I'd try to swing that trade, I think the Clips would do it too.

[Pepperz]

If Clips make that trade, what do they tell D. Jordan. Even if it was possible, I wouldnt trade back. Ill jump at Drummond or Davis before giving them away for more picks. We NEED a franchise player and both can mos def play that card.

[H21T]

In my perfect world, which will never exist.
All hypothetical obviously and saying we have a top 3-5 pick.

Pick 1- Beal- Extremely talented 2 guard with a ton of upside.
Trade up do what you have to do and then grab Barnes

You give me
Kemba/Beal/Barnes/Tyrus/Biyombo I would be extremely excited to watch what happens over a couple years.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Anyone but the over hyped Harrison Barnes if we are picking inside the top 10.

The reality when it comes to Harrison Barnes is that he will most likely be the seventh or eighth guy off the bench. If he is picked too early he will disappoint based on where he is picked.

http://hoopspeak.com/college/2011/12/dissecting-the-offensive-efficiency-and-inefficiency-of-harrison-barnes/

[BobCatsFanInTx]

There are plenty of players better suited to our team than Harrison Barnes who is way over rated. This imagined idea that his ceiling is really high is a pipe dream. Harrison has not made that much of an improvement from last season. If anything he has taken a step backwards. You guys can dream of Harrison Barnes, I will dream of more deserving players aside from him in the early lottery.

[WFU4LIFE]

Yeah, it would be a mistake to take Barnes. Just another way overhyped UNC guy, ala Marvin Williams.

[docend24]

Drummond or Lamb.

[Bobcatter]

I'm in the Davis or Drummond group, but right now I'm thinking Davis. A better all-around set of skills.

[The Prodigy]

1. Drummond
2. Lamb
3. Davis

Uconn all the way! Worked out well for my predictions last year.

[Chrystos]

Lamb is going to be a way better NBA player than Barnes. Speaking of Uconn players, I got to admit Drummond looked pretty good today, 24 points with 11 of 12 from the field to go with 8 rebounds and 5 blocks. Maybe he won't be the second coming of Kwame :g:

[Chef]

Lamb is going to be a way better NBA player than Barnes. Speaking of Uconn players, I got to admit Drummond looked pretty good today, 24 points with 11 of 12 from the field to go with 8 rebounds and 5 blocks. Maybe he won't be the second coming of Kwame :g:

didn't thabeet put up numbers like that too?

[SWedd523]

Thabeet was a defensive monster in college, never an offensive player. He was touted mostly for his HUGE size (7'4) and immense defensive potential. Even then, he was drafted way too high and the Grizz were pretty much universally laughed at for taking him so high. Drummond on the other end is an extremely talented, high potential ATHLETE. I'm much more a fan of his than I was of Thabeet's.

[SuperKemba]

Can you imagine this guy in a Bobcats uniform?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH3_K4uIsxA&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL2B9DEF44143FC832

Our starting lineup could be like this:

PG- Kemba
SG- Hendo
SF- Reggie
PF- Bismack
C- Andre

[SuperKemba]

What about Tim Hardaway Jr.? I don't see him as the number one pick but I think he is highly underrated.

[SWedd523]

What about Tim Hardaway Jr.? I don't see him as the number one pick but I think he is highly underrated.

I'm sure it has a lot to do with his dad, but he's one of my three favorite college basketball players. Not worthy of a lottery pick though

[Chef]

right now i am all about some perry jones.

[SWedd523]

right now i am all about some perry jones.

I was down on him after last year, but he's shooting up my board right now.

1. Davis
2. Drummond
3. Jones III
4. Lamb

after them it's a drop off

[anton273]

I think we should pick Davis or Drummond based on what i have seen and read so far!

Since P.Jones came back he has looked a beast! Like you guys Im liking what he has done since he came back! he was looking at top 5 pick last year and could only get better with another year at college.

[Pepperz]

If we dont land either Drummond or Davis, we need to go after the best scoring player which might be Harrison Barnes. Fills that need at SF and he would be a perfect complement piece to Kemba. Henderson and Bitchsmack provide that hard nose D and Kemba and Barnes provide the O.

[SWedd523]

The best scoring wing is Lamb

[SuperKemba]

Andre Drummond would be my number one pick. Dude looks like a franchise type big. We could move biyombo to PF and play Drummond at the center.

[SuperKemba]

I agree though about Lamb being the better scoring wing than Barnes at this point. I love Barnes but he hasn't shown the ability to put the ball on the floor and CONSISTENTLY create opportunities for himself with his dribble and also while attacking the basket. When he shows me he can do all that on a consistent basis then I'll considered him a realistic option for a top pick.

[Pepperz]

The best scoring wing is Lamb

The reason I would prefer Barnes over Lamb is that....

-Barnes plays SF which is a spot we need to fill since Henderson is already at the SG position. We dont need to create a log jam as SG.
-I see Barnes as a better compliment player cuz this would allow Kemba to be the player in control of the ball in late games while Barnes is allowed to just be that clutch spot up shooter.
-I feel that Barnes has more potential at the NBA level.

[BBQNut]

The reason I would prefer Barnes over Lamb is that....

-Barnes plays SF which is a spot we need to fill since Henderson is already at the SG position. We dont need to create a log jam as SG.
-I see Barnes as a better compliment player cuz this would allow Kemba to be the player in control of the ball in late games while Barnes is allowed to just be that clutch spot up shooter.
-I feel that Barnes has more potential at the NBA level.


very good point about Lamb and Hendo at the same spot...if we pick in the top 5 we need to get a dadgum starter. Hendo has the chance to earn his spot this year.

[SWedd523]

The reason I would prefer Barnes over Lamb is that....

-Barnes plays SF which is a spot we need to fill since Henderson is already at the SG position. We dont need to create a log jam as SG.
-I see Barnes as a better compliment player cuz this would allow Kemba to be the player in control of the ball in late games while Barnes is allowed to just be that clutch spot up shooter.
-I feel that Barnes has more potential at the NBA level.

To address each of your points:


-Would you had rather us take a SF like Marcus Morris over Kemba since he was a positional need? No. When your team sucks as badly as we do, you pick the absolute best available talent. Lamb is a more talented player than Barnes
-Lamb won a national championship last year playing beside Kemba. I think it's safe to say they compliment each other nicely. Barnes is going to be a SF version of Ray Allen, and he needs to be set up by his PG because he doesn't have the ability to score on his own. We need another player who has the ability to take the ball out of Kemba's hands and score on his own because we can't simply rely on our diminutive PG to carry the scoring load. Lamb has the ability to score and act as a secondary PG because his ball handling is much more advanced than Barnes.
-Again, Barnes' potential is to be a spot up shooter. Lamb has the ability to be a #1 man and 25+ point scorer. We need a #1 guy much more than a spot up shooter.

[Chef]

To address each of your points:


-Would you had rather us take a SF like Marcus Morris over Kemba since he was a positional need? No. When your team sucks as badly as we do, you pick the absolute best available talent. Lamb is a more talented player than Barnes
-Lamb won a national championship last year playing beside Kemba. I think it's safe to say they compliment each other nicely. Barnes is going to be a SF version of Ray Allen, and he needs to be set up by his PG because he doesn't have the ability to score on his own. We need another player who has the ability to take the ball out of Kemba's hands and score on his own because we can't simply rely on our diminutive PG to carry the scoring load. Lamb has the ability to score and act as a secondary PG because his ball handling is much more advanced than Barnes.
-Again, Barnes' potential is to be a spot up shooter. Lamb has the ability to be a #1 man and 25+ point scorer. We need a #1 guy much more than a spot up shooter.

all the same reasons i want perry jones. he is a natural sf at 6'10 and rotate to the pf position if needed. he is a scorer through and through. obviously it is way to early to decide who we take where (we have no idea just how bad we will be right now anyway), but if we are top 4 and we don't come away with drummond, davis, lamb or jones i would be very disappointed.

[SWedd523]

I have Perry 3rd on my big board right now, but not as a SF. I have him as a great PF/C fit next to Biyombo

[ziggy]

I'm not proposing that we draft him at all, but I'm curious. Where does Austin Rivers project in this draft?

Wasn't he being hyped as the next big thing.

[SWedd523]

My take on him? Meh.

[anton273]

I dont know Jones' comparisons to NBA players but could he do a similar role as Durant be that tall SF for us

[Pepperz]

To address each of your points:


-Would you had rather us take a SF like Marcus Morris over Kemba since he was a positional need? No. When your team sucks as badly as we do, you pick the absolute best available talent. Lamb is a more talented player than Barnes
-Lamb won a national championship last year playing beside Kemba. I think it's safe to say they compliment each other nicely. Barnes is going to be a SF version of Ray Allen, and he needs to be set up by his PG because he doesn't have the ability to score on his own. We need another player who has the ability to take the ball out of Kemba's hands and score on his own because we can't simply rely on our diminutive PG to carry the scoring load. Lamb has the ability to score and act as a secondary PG because his ball handling is much more advanced than Barnes.
-Again, Barnes' potential is to be a spot up shooter. Lamb has the ability to be a #1 man and 25+ point scorer. We need a #1 guy much more than a spot up shooter.

Points taken and very good ones at that....but

-You cant use that comparison. There is a signicant jump from Kemba to Marcus in skill. Marcus will never amount to anything more then just a role player. Kemba on the other had is a great building block to any franchise. Are you saying the differential from Kemba to Marcus is just as great as Lamb to Barnes?

-I really think you are undervaluing Kemba's passing skills in the first place. Its like saying Rose cant pass but look how he runs that team. Also, Barnes was playing at a very high level towards the end of last year during the tournament. Even better then Lamb. You cant discredit that.

-I see alot of Kevin Martin in Lamb. Great scorer but Martin is never going to carrying his team to the title. Even if I were to use youre comparison, Which would you rather have Ray Allen or Kevin Martin?

They are both great players and will be great contributors at the NBA level. I really do like Lamb alot but I feel that Barnes just has a nudge on him. Its a good thing that we have alot more time to evaluate both players.

[SWedd523]

-I never said Kemba was a bad passer, nor that he doesn't pass. However, there is absolutely no denying he's a shoot first PG. He's not a Rondo, he's a Rose.

-In the tournament, Lamb averaged 18 points (on 10 shots), 5 rebounds, 2 assists, and 1 steal as the second option. Barnes averaged 21 points (on 19 shots), 2 rebounds, 2 assists, and 2 steals as the first option. Are you sure he played a clearly higher level?

-Kevin Martin really isn't anything like Lamb at all. You could just as easily say Barnes is a rich man's Reggie Williams or James Jones. Would you rather have Kevin Martin or James Jones?


Lamb is a better defender than Barnes
Lamb is a better pure scorer than Barnes
Lamb is a better ball handler than Barnes
Lamb is a better passer than Barnes
Barnes is a better shooter than Lamb
Rebounding is about even between the two


And I say this as a person who has watched nearly every single tar heels game Barnes has played in.

[Pepperz]

-I never said Kemba was a bad passer, nor that he doesn't pass. However, there is absolutely no denying he's a shoot first PG. He's not a Rondo, he's a Rose.

-In the tournament, Lamb averaged 18 points (on 10 shots), 5 rebounds, 2 assists, and 1 steal as the second option. Barnes averaged 21 points (on 19 shots), 2 rebounds, 2 assists, and 2 steals as the first option. Are you sure he played a clearly higher level?

-Kevin Martin really isn't anything like Lamb at all. You could just as easily say Barnes is a rich man's Reggie Williams or James Jones. Would you rather have Kevin Martin or James Jones?


Lamb is a better defender than Barnes
Lamb is a better pure scorer than Barnes
Lamb is a better ball handler than Barnes
Lamb is a better passer than Barnes
Barnes is a better shooter than Lamb
Rebounding is about even between the two


And I say this as a person who has watched nearly every single tar heels game Barnes has played in.

-Rose is a score first point with great passing abilities. I cant remember which game it was when he drove in to collapse the D just to kick it back out to Deng to hit the 3 for the win.

-Where did you get those stats cuz I decided to double check them and found different numbers in the rebounding in a little in points.. I got mine from ESPN Men's Basketball.

Lamb avg stats from the March Madness tournament were...
Points = 16.16666
Rebounds = 4.8333
Ast = 1.6666
BLk = .5
Steals = .8333


Barnes avg stats from the MM tournament...
Points = 21
Rebounds = 8.25
Ast = 2
Blk = .75
Steals = 1.75

Im just putting things in the correct context. I knew Barnes rebounded the ball better then what you said.

I give Lamb the better pure scorer and handler but as far as rebounder and defender goes. I think other wise. Lets play out the rest of the year cuz I know Barnes will turn it up towards the end of the season.

[SWedd523]

Apologies, I added the numbers up wrong.


Lamb
Bucknell: 16/2/1/0
Cincinnati: 14/5/1/1
San Diego State: 24/2/1/1
Arizona: 19/4/1/2
Kentucky: 12/9/4/0
Butler: 12/7/2/1

AVG: 16 points (61.5% FG) , 5 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal



Barnes
Long Island: 24/16/3/2
Washington: 22/2/2/3
Marquette: 20/9/1/1
Kentucky: 18/6/2/1

AVG: 21 points (42.6% FG), 8 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals



Point stands though, I still think Lamb has him beat everywhere except shooting from range. Most would agree as well, but it doesn't really matter that much right now

[DawgBark]

If anybody watched the Tarheels last night I think you would have to be crazy not to want him come to the Bobcats in the first round. He showed a complete game last night...Jump shots, mid-range game, taking it to the basket, and strong on the offensive boards. The Cats need an elite scorer and Barnes will be a 22ppg 6rpg guy in the NBA.

Drummond is too enigmatic and Davis is too much like Tyrus and Biyombo.

Just my opinion....

[Wolfpackbobcat]

If we pick from the 3-6 range, I would say take him. SF is a position of need for us. But lets see how the season plays out first. For college and the NBA. Way too early to rule out other potential players.

[docend24]

Not a top 3 talent. Not a top talent at all but that doesn't mean he couldn't be BPA at right phase of the draft. Surely not a top 3 pick.

[DawgBark]

Barnes is a sure thing to be a successful NBA player though. Also, I think he like Kevin Durant with regards to the fact that he will be happy to spend his career with one team in a small market.

If the Bobcats draft a Drummond, Davis, Jones, Sullinger, or Lamb those guys will be hostages held in Charlotte for their rookie deal and look to move on to big markets as soon as possible.

Charlotte needs to build with players that are committed to Charlotte. I love Kemba Walker but I have a feeling that he is going to bolt to the NY Knicks or Brooklyn Nets when his rookie deal is up.

[JohnnyTimmons]

You I think you have to go with a center they seem hard/expensive to find on the free agent market, and are overpriced because of their size. Better to get a big man young without bad knees or feet, with a rookie contract. But then there is Oden with his injuries. Who knows!?

[CatNation1]

He's a solid pick if we were picking in the 10-12 range again but nothing about his game screams top 3 talent. We need Drummond. Pairing him with Biz we would have our front court set for a while. I don't get the assumptions that Barnes would have any loyalty to Charlotte more than anyone else. You'd think people would throw that out the window after Felton ditched us for less money.

[Proudiddy]

Since I finished the semester I've had a lot more time to go to games and I've went to the last 4, only missing the game agaisnt Nicholls St. TBH, I don't think Barnes is a go-to scorer. He disappears for long stretches and doesn't seem to have that take over mentality. He is an outstanding shooter but doesn't always make good decisions and I question his ability to get to the basket.

He's not like a Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, Wade, etc. wherein he can make plays for others if his original option is thwarted... He seems to get very locked in to whatever he originally plans to do and doesn't deviate from it very often. I question his passing and his ability to create off the dribble consistently. I'm also not sure how natural of an athlete he is... I've seen him dunk on a few people, mostly last year, but he doesn't seem consistent in being that aggressive either.

I think he'll be a solid role player at best in the NBA.

[SWedd523]

1. Threads merged
2. Barnes is maybe the 5th or 6th best talent in the draft

[dav7z]

1. Threads merged
2. Barnes is maybe the 5th or 6th best talent in the draft
I think we kinda short changing Barnes just a little. Hes much better than just a role player. Hes going to be a solid starter any where he goes. He has the ability to even be a number 1 or 2 option on a team . In the NC system hes not going to stand out like he will as a pro . Hes not a number one pick Drummonds that. The kid from Kentucky makes a strong case for 2nd But after that Barnes name has to come up. With his size strenth and shooting abilitys. Though im not sure about his aggressiveness and confidence?

[dav7z]

Can you imagine this guy in a Bobcats uniform?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH3_K4uIsxA&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL2B9DEF44143FC832

Our starting lineup could be like this:

PG- Kemba
SG- Hendo
SF- Reggie
PF- Bismack
C- Andre
I love that kids play and he is the # 1 pick easy. I just wonder how he fits next to Smack. The Hornets should have two top 10 picks. If we lucked up with #1 Tradeing it for like a 3rd and 6th in this strong draft has to be looked at all so. I mean if we could land a Barnes and a P Jones or something close. Hard choice;;

[SWedd523]

I haven't seen anything from him this year that makes me believe he can be a first option. In the Kentucky game, for example, he disappeared for about 8 minutes. And when Kentucky was making their big run in the second half, I was expecting him to step up and put the game out of reach.......... no dice.


He'll be a great 2nd or 3rd option. Too bad we're still looking for a first.

And he's definitely behind Davis, Drummond, Jones, Lamb, and maybe even Sullinger or Miller.

[BBQNut]

still a long way to go this season...I think Drummond has the most to prove.
Of course, with our luck, Smack and Kemba will win enough games to put us
drafting 15th.

[Pepperz]

I haven't seen anything from him this year that makes me believe he can be a first option. In the Kentucky game, for example, he disappeared for about 8 minutes. And when Kentucky was making their big run in the second half, I was expecting him to step up and put the game out of reach.......... no dice.


He'll be a great 2nd or 3rd option. Too bad we're still looking for a first.

And he's definitely behind Davis, Drummond, Jones, Lamb, and maybe even Sullinger or Miller.

You do know he was only out there for 24 mins of the game. Tied with 2nd most points while being out there only 10th longest. Just saying...

[SWedd523]

I sure do.

You do know he had multiple chances to put his mark on the game and make a few shots to put it out of reach. A #1 option would have stepped on UK's throat. Barnes didn't.

[Pepperz]

I guess I put more stock into a tournament more so a game. Ive been watching Lamb a bit more and he has been growing on me a little. The way he is built being skinny and with a long wing span, he reminds me of a shorter Durant. Im looking foward to how they play in march.

[Chef]

still a long way to go this season...I think Drummond has the most to prove.
Of course, with our luck, Smack and Kemba will win enough games to put us
drafting 15th.

after watching last night, i don't think we have to worry about that

[anton273]

after watching last night, i don't think we have to worry about that

Pretty shocking although Mags loves getting to the line!!!

[Plowright]

Barnes would be a nice player to get sure, But we cannot just draft a big because of need. We go for BPA and i think it's tough to make those decisions right now. I don't watch enough college ball, its pretty hard over here. I just dive right into research during the draft combine and workouts. I find it easier to make decisions and opinons after watching seeing a whole season. I really like Barnes, but i would rather get a top 3 pick over a 5th on 8th. We need that one star

[anton273]

Barnes would be a nice player to get sure, But we cannot just draft a big because of need. We go for BPA and i think it's tough to make those decisions right now. I don't watch enough college ball, its pretty hard over here. I just dive right into research during the draft combine and workouts. I find it easier to make decisions and opinons after watching seeing a whole season. I really like Barnes, but i would rather get a top 3 pick over a 5th on 8th. We need that one star

You should get espn it shows loads off college bball on espn America :)

[Plowright]

I'm at uni most of the time. Not really worth buying espn when im only home for a few weeks at a time

[SWedd523]

Then watch ESPN3!

[JamieMcNeill]

The best scoring wing is Lamb

As a Unc student I've seen a ton of Barnes. His main problem is just that he lacks rebounding ability and the killer instinct I've consistently seen from lamb. It's hard for me to admit this but, I have a player crush on Lamb.


Perpetual Optimism

[SWedd523]

You and everyone else should know that I've been a Barnes homer for the entirety of his career, even when he struggled out of the gate last year. I really wish he had that #1 mentality because he's such a likable guy and an incredibly hard worker. He just doesn't have it in him to do it... And Lamb does.

[JamieMcNeill]

You and everyone else should know that I've been a Barnes homer for the entirety of his career, even when he struggled out of the gate last year. I really wish he had that #1 mentality because he's such a likable guy and an incredibly hard worker. He just doesn't have it in him to do it... And Lamb does.

I know man, he's not a bad pick, but he could be great with that killer mentality. That Kemba mentality. Kidd-Gilchrist has it too. That dude has a chip on his shoulder.

[cyphermonk]

I'm firmly aboard Team Harrison Barnes. He'll be albe to slide perfectly into our 3 slot. We do need a Center. Bad. But Barnes will bring a very talented shooter and scorer on the wing. Pair him with Kemba, Henderson with Biyombo as a defensive anchor....it may not be much. But us Bobcat fans would at least have something to hope for for the first time in quite a while.

[Plowright]

Are there any similarities to Barnes and Marvin Williams when he came out of college? Just curious...

[SWedd523]

Barnes, to me, looks to project as a poor man's Glen Rice. Very good shooter but not a #1 option.

[anton273]

Davis for number 1? Not seen how good his abilities are but numbers he puts up are impressive night after night

[JamieMcNeill]

Davis for number 1? Not seen how good his abilities are but numbers he puts up are impressive night after night

Idk, if I'm going big I might take Drummond.


Perpetual Optimism

[ohara831]

Guys, so many here are focused on the Bobcats getting the #1 pick, or at least a Top 3 pick. Fellows, we are not as bad as so many here want us to be. I think it is far more realistic to see us picking in the $5-#8 range. Would be good to focus on the Top 10 players this year and see how they are doing and how they would fit the Bobcats. Dont get all hyped up over Drummond, Davis, Barnes or PJ3. If we get ping pong ball luck, great. But I dont see us sucking nearly as bad as expected. This team has some talent, and a lot of heart and desire to win. And a Coach that the players seem to want to fight for and win for.

[SWedd523]

Where were you when we got blown out by Orlando, Miami, and Cleveland?

[Chef]

hey swedd

i will defer to you as the resident college expert. this may be a title you don't want as the responsibility of steering the hopes of our future will lie squarely on your shoulders. i will personally hold you accountable for all drafting choices.

what do you think of jared sullinger's future in the nba. from what i have seen he has the best back to the basket offensive game to come out of college in quite some time and at 6'8" i don't think he will have too much trouble in the nba.

how is his rebounding and defense. not that he will have k.love numbers but do you see him in the 9-12 rbg range? also, how is his defense.

the reason i ask (and i am prepared for the backlash of the next sentence i am about to write), is that i was thinking that if we somehow fell out of the top 3 (drummond, davis, lamb tier) and mullens ended up being a great offensive center like he is showing he MAY/COULD develop into, would pairing him with sullinger be a viable option? would it be a defensive and rebounding catastrophe on the front court?

the other thing i was thinking about was if we got top 2 AND mullens did show that he could put the ball on the deck and hit the 15 footer (a poor/homeless man's dirk) would putting a defensive center like drummond or davis be an option?

[spectre]

Chef you have to mean Swedd...I don't even watch college ball.

Ironically I had been ignoring this thread til just the other day when it kind of dawned on me that I shouldn't be...our future franchise player is probably being talked about in here!

[ohara831]

Where were you when we got blown out by Orlando, Miami, and Cleveland?

Dont get me wrong. I dont think we challenge for a playoff spot this year. But I dont see us as the worse in the league either. I think #5-#8 is our range in the picks unless we get ping pong ball love from the BB Gods.

[Chef]

Chef you have to mean Swedd...I don't even watch college ball.

Ironically I had been ignoring this thread til just the other day when it kind of dawned on me that I shouldn't be...our future franchise player is probably being talked about in here!

you are right. my bad. i have edited it to delegate responsibility and our hopes for the team's future. no pressure swedd.

[adam187]

Dont get me wrong. I dont think we challenge for a playoff spot this year. But I dont see us as the worse in the league either. I think #5-#8 is our range in the picks unless we get ping pong ball love from the BB Gods.

we may end up trading dj and diaw, hopefully for picks and prospects, which would make us worse. i really have no idea how good/bad we are. fluctuates nightly. it seems pretty certain we have one of the worst defenses in the league though.

hopefully we will get a high pick no matter where we end up in the lottery.

[SWedd523]

hey swedd

i will defer to you as the resident college expert. this may be a title you don't want as the responsibility of steering the hopes of our future will lie squarely on your shoulders. i will personally hold you accountable for all drafting choices.
I'm flattered ;)



what do you think of jared sullinger's future in the nba. from what i have seen he has the best back to the basket offensive game to come out of college in quite some time and at 6'8" i don't think he will have too much trouble in the nba.
I feel like Sullinger is the safest pick in the lottery, not that it's necessarily a bad thing. He has a polished offensive game that should easily, and quickly, translate to the NBA. He can score in a multitude of ways that allows him to pick and choose his spots on the offensive side of the floor. That ability will mesh very well with our team as we desperately need scoring on the block. I do have questions about his size though, as pairing him with Bismack would be the smallest front court in the league by far.

To me, he projects as a Love/Randolph type of player. He'll have the same issues as those guys have, but will also provide the same benefits.


how is his rebounding and defense. not that he will have k.love numbers but do you see him in the 9-12 rbg range? also, how is his defense.
Defense is definitely not his strong suit. He won't be able to stick with the quicker guys like Bosh, Amare, Aldridge, but he always puts forth strong effort so it's better than nothing. He's never been a physical specimen but he has shown a commitment to get his body into shape as he dropped most of the baby fat he was carrying last year. He's not a great first or second jumper so he uses his backside to box out and get prime rebounding position. I can see him getting into that 9-12 rpg range based off effort alone.


the reason i ask (and i am prepared for the backlash of the next sentence i am about to write), is that i was thinking that if we somehow fell out of the top 3 (drummond, davis, lamb tier) and mullens ended up being a great offensive center like he is showing he MAY/COULD develop into, would pairing him with sullinger be a viable option? would it be a defensive and rebounding catastrophe on the front court?
Sullinger would never be successful next to a guy like Mullins. He needs a strong post defender to help him out on the other side of the floor so Bismack would definitely be a good choice.


the other thing i was thinking about was if we got top 2 AND mullens did show that he could put the ball on the deck and hit the 15 footer (a poor/homeless man's dirk) would putting a defensive center like drummond or davis be an option?
Or Bismack.....

[Chef]

I'm flattered ;)



Sullinger would never be successful next to a guy like Mullins. He needs a strong post defender to help him out on the other side of the floor so Bismack would definitely be a good choice.


Or Bismack.....

i wasn't forgetting about biz. i just feel that after watching both he and mullens, i see mullens being a starter much sooner than biz. i think biz is a good 4 years away from being a solid starter. he has a lot of work to do to catch up.

[ammofan]

Barnes, to me, looks to project as a poor man's Glen Rice. Very good shooter but not a #1 option.

I'm scared he'll be like a slightly better version of Marvin Williams.

[SWedd523]

I'm scared he'll be like a slightly better version of Marvin Williams.

Well the good thing is that he's already light years ahead of Marvin in terms of intelligence. Marvin got by on his natural basketball ability and didn't have the BBIQ to develop it in the NBA. Also, while Barnes doesn't have the killer mentality we so desperately need, he's talented in so many different ways that he'd be the ideal second banana to a scorer like Kobe, Wade, etc.

[ohara831]

I have to say that after watching how poorly we played the 2nd half against the Pacers, I am wondering if this team is NOT in a tank mode. That was a really really bad display of basketball tonight.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

Just a random question, but one of the weaknesses some draft websites highlighted about Anthony Davis was his lack of bulk does anyone know if he has started to bulk up yet?

[SWedd523]

Just a random question, but one of the weaknesses some draft websites highlighted about Anthony Davis was his lack of bulk does anyone know if he has started to bulk up yet?

Well Davis grew 10 inches during his Junior season of High School so he's bound to be super lanky. The good thing is that even with that growth, he has a good wide set of shoulders that will let him add some weight in the future. As for bulking up, don't expect any of it during the season as there will be too much cardio to add any meaningful weight. We'll have to wait until the offseason and see how he develops then. Considering that he's nearly a lock to leave after his freshman year, that will be a question Cho will have to look into

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

Well Davis grew 10 inches during his Junior season of High School so he's bound to be super lanky. The good thing is that even with that growth, he has a good wide set of shoulders that will let him add some weight in the future. As for bulking up, don't expect any of it during the season as there will be too much cardio to add any meaningful weight. We'll have to wait until the offseason and see how he develops then. Considering that he's nearly a lock to leave after his freshman year, that will be a question Cho will have to look into

Thanks Swedd I think it's clear to see your the Bobcats Planet College ball expert :)

[anton273]

I know Syracuse are number 1 but are any of their players in contention for lottery picks?

[SWedd523]

I know Syracuse are number 1 but are any of their players in contention for lottery picks?
Their best players as far as draft stock go are Kris Joseph and Fab Melo, neither one projects to be a lottery pick though. That's what is so odd about that team. They don't have any high level players but they still manage to have a good team. I think that when all is said and done, they're an overachieving team who won't be in the top 5.

[Chrystos]

What are you guys thoughts on Drummond saying he plans to return to Uconn for his sophomore year. He may need another year to develop more of a post game. Blake Griffin needed two years so why not Drummond

[SWedd523]

What are you guys thoughts on Drummond saying he plans to return to Uconn for his sophomore year. He may need another year to develop more of a post game. Blake Griffin needed two years so why not Drummond

IIRC, Blake went back to school because he got injured

[CatNation1]

Cho was there at the UCONN game watching Drummond. him not entering the draft really hurts us imo I'm kinda sad about it. it seems like everyone else high up in the lottery is a PF now which we obviously have no use for. I guess we have to target one of the small forwards MKG or Barnes. meh

[SWedd523]

We still don't know if he'll return or not. It's too early in the season to pay too much attention to what they say

[Plowright]

He said "as of right now i see myself back here." He didn't have to say "as of right now" This suggests that he understands that come draft time his decision might have changed

[Pepperz]

What are peoples thoughts about Austin Rivers? Im not talking about taking him with our top pick cuz that would be fucking crazy but what if we did make a trade using DJ or Diaw to get a lottery pick and snatch him up there.I love the guys confidence. He has very sick handles. IMO, one of the best if not the best at creating his own shot in college. If he was just consistent, he would definitely be a top 5 pick.

Personally, I would love a team like this for the future. Everybody would have a role with the team are may be able to contribute and work well with one another.

Kemba - He is the head of this beast. He is the leader of this team and he will do what ever it takes to win. If it means he has to be in control of the rock hell do so, if he has to play off the ball and let Rivers do work, so be it. A person that is a true winner.
Rivers - Ball hungery player that can create shots for himself and for others. He just needs to drill that thru his head that this is a team game. He can be so much more lethal when he plays the team game.
Barnes - The Ray Allen of SFs but he can do a bit more. I agree with Swedd about not being the best ball handler but when you have the likes of Rivers and Kemba controlling the rock, would it really be needed.
Byimobo - He is here only for the D cuz Mullens is going to have a hard time in the paint by himself.
Mullens - Spreads the floor and allows the likes of Kemba and Rivers to drive the lane to either score or create for others.

[SWedd523]

I have always said that Rivers has the potential to be a destroyer of a PG. He has the ball handling and vision to get to any spot on the floor he wants. The problem is that when he gets to those spots, he's too busy looking to make some wacky off balance shot than kick it out to someone spreading the floor. With Curry, Dawkins, and Kelly on that team, he could easily average 8 assists a game if he wants. Unfortunately he's way too selfish and isn't nearly efficient enough to make up for it. He's also way too undersized to play the SG position in the NBA so he's going to have to learn to play the point at some.... point. You could say that I'm not a fan of his, at all.


But if he were to figure it out, he has the potential to be scary

[Plowright]

I like what i have seen from Austin Rivers. Granted that is not that much, just a game here or there. He would be a great 6th man/spark offense kind of guy. I know a lot say Kemba will be that.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Terrence-Ross-5747/ Speak to me Swedd. This guy sounds interesting.

[VJ singh]

Dont get much college ball in Australia. What are peoples thoughts on these players as potential picks Arnett Moultrie, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Brad Beal? I am only going off nbadraft.net and would like to get a better background on strengths, weaknesses and NBA potential if anyone has seen them play.

[CatNation1]

MKD is a beast. The only real weakness you can find with the kid is mediocre shooting yet he's still shooting like 35% on 3s and 75% fts as a freshman. Give me MKD over Barnes all day.

[skratch]

I like Drummond, Lamb(even though he needs to develop more moves to shake defenders) & Sullinger. I wish we could have 2 top 10 picks (one in the top 5, or in top10). Imo nobody on the team is solid at there position, I also like Kendall but we drafted a PG last year. Biyombo is a waste of a pick so drafting a PF would be cool to me. Not sold on Anthony davis yet, dude grew 10 inches in 1 year, how healthy is that?

[Plowright]

Not sold on Anthony davis yet, dude grew 10 inches in 1 year, how healthy is that?

In the basketball world I think they call those guys SUPER HUMANS

[ohara831]

Guys, so many here are focused on the Bobcats getting the #1 pick, or at least a Top 3 pick. Fellows, we are not as bad as so many here want us to be. I think it is far more realistic to see us picking in the $5-#8 range. Would be good to focus on the Top 10 players this year and see how they are doing and how they would fit the Bobcats. Dont get all hyped up over Drummond, Davis, Barnes or PJ3. If we get ping pong ball luck, great. But I dont see us sucking nearly as bad as expected. This team has some talent, and a lot of heart and desire to win. And a Coach that the players seem to want to fight for and win for.



Let me know say that I was completely wrong. We really ARE a sucky team. And our coach throws the starters under the bus saying they have quit. And the only team with a worse record is Washington. And that will likely change within a week. Good Lord, this team sucks big time.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

I hope Drummond changes his mind we need a C and hes got the most potential out of anyone and so athletic. If he stays in College then i'd go wit the best player like ppl said u cant draft for need when you're a bad team. So then i'd take anthony Davis or perry Jones III. A darkhorse pick i would consider would be jeremy lamb that guy can ball

[adam187]

baylor is pretty good at recruiting athletes who are named after their dad/grandpa.

[Pepperz]

Barnes really disappointed me today against FSU.

[Pepperz]

How old is Anthony Davis? On ESPN he was born in 1991 but on NBADraft.com he was born in 93.

[The Milk]

How old is Anthony Davis? On ESPN he was born in 1991 but on NBADraft.com he was born in 93.

Wikipedia states he was born on March 11, 1991.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

How old is Anthony Davis? On ESPN he was born in 1991 but on NBADraft.com he was born in 93.
19 going on 20 I think

[anton273]

Ok SWedd you have won me over with Jeremy Lamb I think/read he might not be the first 2 choices by most (ie Drummond and Davis) but he probably will turn out he best from the class! Watched his last 4 games and various highlights and I'm completely sold on him! Also Kidd Gilchrist would be a great motor guy that can do it all!

[Plowright]

Never ever watch highlights, stick to whole games. Even Diop and Ajinca have highlight reels. Nobody is ever going to make a bad highlight vid

[SWedd523]

Never ever watch highlights, stick to whole games. Even Diop and Ajinca have highlight reels. Nobody is ever going to make a bad highlight vid

not even this highlight?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMFTEiej0mY

[Plowright]

Good to watch for fun, yer. I know you were joking when you posted that, but what scares me is people see that and go OMG I want him on my team! Without ever watching another video

[anton273]

I love his smile after! Yeh but you can see a difference on how he makes his shots, his style of play! Plus his highlights are really good

[Chrystos]

Andre Dummond had 4 points 6 rebounds 1 block and with 3 TO.

Meanwhile Anthony Davis had 27 points 14 rebounds 7 blocks !!!!!!!! and 0 TO :o
Whom would you rather have again :cool:

[Chef]

Andre Dummond had 4 points 6 rebounds 1 block and with 3 TO.

Meanwhile Anthony Davis had 27 points 14 rebounds 7 blocks !!!!!!!! and 0 TO :o
Whom would you rather have again :cool:

big ? with drummond. there are so few true centers anymore he is the biggest guy on the court most of the time but he isn't special in any area. he is moving way down for me. def out of top 5.

[ohara831]

If not mistaken, Drummond has already said he is coming back for his Soph season at UConn. He can use the year to get better, because he has lots of potential, but he needs a lot more work.

Right now, I think the best two fits for Charlotte would be Anthony Davis or Harrison Barnes. Barnes gives us a SF scoring threat which we can use. But I love Anthony Davis. Well worth the #1 pick. Can you see the interior defense of the Bobcats with Davis and Biyombo? Davis can score the ball as well, but if Biyombo developes on the offensive side of the ball, good grief they would be a nasty combo for a decade. I'd be very excited to have those 2 playing inside for the Cats.

[Pepperz]

I would like to see everybody's top 10 players in order for the Bobcats. What is the ranking order of players that if they were available, who would you draft. We can land with the top pick or we can pick up our game and win a few more as the season goes on and put us near the double digit mark on picks. Dont forget to say why you would have them ranked there. So there is no debate on weather somebody should be on the ranking or not, we are just going to include them (Drummond) for the fun of it.

1. Anthony Davis

He is the consensus number 1 pick so far in this up coming draft. He has a high ceiling as a player that is also producing on the court. Best chance at becoming a Franchise player. He just broke the block record at a prestigious college. We are just hitting the half way mark which makes that very impressive.

2. Jeremy Lamb

This guy and Barnes are interchangeable but for right now, Lamb is in the lead. Lamb is a skilled wing that can penetrate and and shoot. He can score off the dribble just as well. Reminds me of a blend of Reggie Miller and Rip when playing off the ball.

3. Harrison Barnes

This guy has been letting me down a bit this year but hes still scoring efficiently but not enough as I would like to see him. If he would have picked up where he would have left off from last years tournament, this guy can defiantly be the top pick for me.

4. Perry Jones III

This guy is very effiecnt down-low with a high ceiling. Lacks in the defensive and rebounding department. He would have been higher if it wasnt for his VERY DISAPPOINTING freshmen year. I wonder if hes able to move to SF in the NBA where he can use that size alot to his advantage.

5. Jared Sullinger

Great post game and passing ability for a big man but his size and athleticism really scare me. Im not very crazy about guys that play below the rim but I still wont let this guy slip pass us if available with all the other guys above are gone.

6. Andre Drummond

This guy has been very disappoint this year for me. He was so highly talked about coming out of high school but has yet to live up to it in college. Has all the tools to be a dominating center in the league but just hasnt shown it yet. If we were to base everything off production, he wouldn't even be in my 30 players. Potential is the only thing this guy has going for him. If this guy is struggling against college players, I wouldnt want to see him against pros. A true high-risk high-reward player.

7. Quincy Miller

A 6 10 SF that can score. Ive always been a big fan on Durant and how he plays. This guy is a poor mans Durant. If he was the only player on Baylor, his stats would be alot better and he would be alot higher on people draft boards. This guy has alot of confidence, most people call it arrogance, to him.

8. Mike da Kidd-Gilchrist

This guy is a shorter Wallace. He brings all the intangables that is needed for a team to win the title, but that only applies if they have more then enough scoring options to begin with. We dont have that so this guy's value to us is further down the list.

9. Thomas Robinson

This guy is playing his heart out this year. He IMO is the best player this year in college. His game doesnt translate well to the NBA so he will have tougher time dominating like he does in college but I cant disregard what he has been doing so far.

10. James McAdoo

I know this guy has been a no name this whole year in college but he plays along a very talented team at UNC. If he was any where else, you will be talking about this guy as a top pick this year. He will be a top 3 pick next year so if he does enter the draft, we cant go wrong with this guy this late in the draft.

[Plowright]

I would like to see everybody's top 10 players in order for the Bobcats. 4.

Perry Jones III
I wonder if hes able to move to SF in the NBA where he can use that size alot to his advantage.

I will tell you my top 10 at the start of the season, there just isn't enough information out there yet, there are always one or two late bloomers. No, i am not jsut going to watch the tourney and pick the best players like i swear most front offices do! Also, if Perry Jones could play the 3 and take advantage of his size in the NBA then why couldn't he in college? Hell, it should be wayyyyy easier in college as guys are generally shorter

[SWedd523]

I made this post on RGM about a week ago:


1. Davis
2. Lamb
3. Jones
4. Drummond
................................. are the prizes of this draft. Davis has solidified his top spot, but the other three are interchangeable to most scouts out there. Depending on the team, they could have one of the bigs or Lamb at #2.


5. Sullinger
6. Barnes
7. Miller
................................. are the second tier players. They don't have quite the same potential as the top players, but project as very serviceable starters for a long time. They also have the ability to move closer to tier one if they answer their questions.


8. Beal
9. Gilchrist
10. Jones
11. Henson
................................. have a chance to be starters, but have even more questions about their talent than tier 2, whether it be mental (Jones), size (Beal), or skill (Gilchrist/Henson). Again, they can move up one tier at most.

12. Robinson
13. Ross
14. C. Zeller
................................ this is where it getes iffy. There are a lot of guys you can slot into these spots, Leonard, T Zeller, Rivers, etc. all have legitimate claims but there are big questions about the tail end of the lottery (like usual).

If I had to update it right now, it'd be



1. Anthony Davis
2. Jeremy Lamb
3. Andre Drummond
4. Jared Sullinger
5. Perry Jones
6. Harrison Barnes
7. Bradley Beal
8. Michael Gilchrist
9. Quincy Miller
10. Thomas Robinson
11. John Henson
12. Terrence Jones
13. Cody Zeller
14. Terrence Ross

[Pepperz]

I will tell you my top 10 at the start of the season, there just isn't enough information out there yet, there are always one or two late bloomers. No, i am not jsut going to watch the tourney and pick the best players like i swear most front offices do! Also, if Perry Jones could play the 3 and take advantage of his size in the NBA then why couldn't he in college? Hell, it should be wayyyyy easier in college as guys are generally shorter

Not necessarily. Does every player keep to there same position when they go from college to NBA? You have to look at what his game is suited for. He was a big that was known to have handles coming out of high school. Did Baylor really need him to play SF when they have Quincy on the team? They want to put the best player out on the court so they had to shuffle some players around a little. Putting him along the lines of Bismack and Mullens, he doesnt need to worry about banging down low and playing that interior defense or have to rely on him to pull down double digit boards like he does in college. Those things are not his forte. He can leave that for those guys while he just needs to take advantage of the SF on the offensive end. That is why I said "I wonder if hes able to" cuz if he can, we can be a year ahead of the game on building that Champion caliber team.

BTW, what is your top 10? I just want to see everybody's list cuz later on down the road, maybe we can all update our list and see how things have changed for us.

[SWedd523]

I don't really think he'll be a SF at the next level. He may be able to play that position as a tweener, but I think he'll be more successful as a PF in the NBA

[Chef]

I don't really think he'll be a SF at the next level. He may be able to play that position as a tweener, but I think he'll be more successful as a PF in the NBA

keep in mind i watch very little college basketball but i did see a few minutes of the baylor kansas game. i came away with the exact opposite opinion. from what i saw jones was very much uncomfortable guarding the pf position. he doesn't love the physical inside play especially post defense. he looked much more comfortable on the wing as a sf. i see him as a sf with a strong outside/inside game against other sf's. i could see him giving players like crash, iggy, pierce fits on defense but i see him as not so much trouble in the pf position where he would be more like rashard lewis.

but again, it could be just a really small sample size for me.

[teej]

Sounds like Jones is a Rashard Lewis type?

[SWedd523]

Not even close

[Zoolander]

Andre Dummond had 4 points 6 rebounds 1 block and with 3 TO.

Meanwhile Anthony Davis had 27 points 14 rebounds 7 blocks !!!!!!!! and 0 TO :o
Whom would you rather have again :cool:

I watched that game. What surprised me about Davis was how fluid he was. He's not a big lumbering awkard guy for someone his size and wing span. He's real smoothe. And I love the way he blocks shots. It's reminiscient of Elvin Hayes the way he waits for his opponents to jump and shoot before he jumps. That kind of quick leaping ability is rare. The only other big I can think of who had it is Alonzo Mourning in his prime. He had that same type of quick leaping, wait till you jump blocking ability. He was a really great defender.

[Chef]

Not even close

to teej or me? i am curious as to your opinion of my assessment.

[ohara831]

Thomas Robinson is very interesting. He went head to head with PJ3 and was terrific. Both had good first halfs, but PJ3 tired and faded away in the 2nd while Robinson kept rolling along. Real good read about those 2 on ESPN Insider article by Chad Ford. Says talking to some GM's, there was doubt about Robinson because his body is that of a SF but his play is as a PF - a real tweener. But his intangibles are outstanding. Heart, desire, effort and a great motor. Exactly the opposite of PJ3. PJ3 has the body, but he seems to lack the desire to excel at his position. At least that is what they are saying they see in him, and what they fear. Overall, the GM said Robinson has that something special you want in a player, and PJ3 lacks it. Now, to be fair, this may have been only 1 GM, and every other one might disagree. I've seen PJ3 play 2x this season, and he was less than stellar in each. Have seen Robinson only 1x and he was very good. I accept the fact there are a lot of PJ3 fans out there; I'm just not sure I'm one.

[SWedd523]

to teej or me? i am curious as to your opinion of my assessment.

Sometimes when I check the site on a phone, it skips past some of the unread posts so I didn't catch yours. So originally I meant teej, but now that I saw you said Rashard as well... it's meant for both of you :D


I just think he's too big to be a consistent wing player. He's obviously super athletic and has the ability to play there, but I think he's better served as a stretch 4, kind of like a young Aldridge before he started playing in the post. He would be every bit as much of a matchup nightmare as a 4 that he would as a 3

[Chef]

Sometimes when I check the site on a phone, it skips past some of the unread posts so I didn't catch yours. So originally I meant teej, but now that I saw you said Rashard as well... it's meant for both of you :D


I just think he's too big to be a consistent wing player. He's obviously super athletic and has the ability to play there, but I think he's better served as a stretch 4, kind of like a young Aldridge before he started playing in the post. He would be every bit as much of a matchup nightmare as a 4 that he would as a 3

so less like odom and more like aldrige for a comp? could he handle a tough physical pf. he sure looked liked he had trouble and wanted no part of the physical power forward action.

[SWedd523]

so less like odom and more like aldrige for a comp? could he handle a tough physical pf. he sure looked liked he had trouble and wanted no part of the physical power forward action.

You remember when Aldridge first came into the league? He was labelled as a soft, jump shooting big who lacked fire but had a ton of athleticism and potential. THAT is how I would compare him. I can also see the Odom comparison, except Jones isn't quite as gifted with the ball in his hands. Perhaps a mixture between the two?

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

I read on the forums a couple people posted MJ's going to trade DJ and get a draft pick for him then draft a pg to replace him any ideas on who's the best PG that Bobcats could draft?

[Chef]

I read on the forums a couple people posted MJ's going to trade DJ and get a draft pick for him then draft a pg to replace him any ideas on who's the best PG that Bobcats could draft?

there really isn't a good pg in the draft early. so maybe it is with the lakers for the mavs pick (hopefully both picks). don't like this strategy. if you are re-drafting a pg you are saying kemba aint it and if that is the case, just stick with dj and run kemba off the bench.

[Chrystos]

I can't help but imagine that Drummond will put up DeAndre Jordan type numbers. Pretty good stats but not #1 pick worthy.

[JamieMcNeill]

Quincy Miller is playing his ass off. Like his style a lot


Perpetual Optimism

[GoBobs]

I watched the Tenn Uconn game the other day which had several potential picks in it. Lamb looked great, I would love to get him. Drummond was pretty much a non factor and didn't look like a top pick at all.

Jarnel Stokes for Tenn looked great going for 16/12/2 in his first college game ( kid was in high school this year and just joined the team a few games ago ) He prob won't come out this year but he could be among the top 3 next year. Announcers were comparing him to Carl Malone, dude is a stud.

[Chef]

Quincy Miller is playing his ass off. Like his style a lot


Perpetual Optimism

yo, swedd. is miller more of a traditional sf. at his height and scoring numbers could he be future superstar?

[adam187]

I watched the Tenn Uconn game the other day which had several potential picks in it. Lamb looked great, I would love to get him. Drummond was pretty much a non factor and didn't look like a top pick at all.

Jarnel Stokes for Tenn looked great going for 16/12/2 in his first college game ( kid was in high school this year and just joined the team a few games ago ) He prob won't come out this year but he could be among the top 3 next year. Announcers were comparing him to Carl Malone, dude is a stud.

I saw Stokes when they played Kentucky I think, dude seemed great for someone who had just joined the team a few weeks ago and had literally just turned 18. I was very intrigued by him.

[polarcat]

Quincy Miller is playing his ass off. Like his style a lot


Perpetual Optimism

huuuuuge fan of Miller coming in this year. Like his game being able to transition to the NBA more than PJIII. I think by the time the draft rolls around (if he comes out) he's easily a top 10, and could move into the top-5 depending on the NCAA run/combine/etc. I think his height at the 3 helps Hendo at the 2 and Kemba running the point. He did have knee injury, but it hasn't shown thus far at Baylor.... but I'm sure it will be listed with his negatives come draft time. Some taller SF's have a problem finding their way in the NBA shuffling between the 3 and 4 (Marvin Williams). I think Miller is more Durant than Williams.

[Chef]

huuuuuge fan of Miller coming in this year. Like his game being able to transition to the NBA more than PJIII. I think by the time the draft rolls around (if he comes out) he's easily a top 10, and could move into the top-5 depending on the NCAA run/combine/etc. I think his height at the 3 helps Hendo at the 2 and Kemba running the point. He did have knee injury, but it hasn't shown thus far at Baylor.... but I'm sure it will be listed with his negatives come draft time. Some taller SF's have a problem finding their way in the NBA shuffling between the 3 and 4 (Marvin Williams). I think Miller is more Durant than Williams.

checked with my college superfan/scout friend at work, he said the exact same thing you did. miller is the exact type of sf we need. a 20-25ppg/6-7reb/1-2a per game straight scorer from outside, dribble, inside etc. so if we could turn our second and portland's first next year into a late lottery pick or pick up another pick in a trade this year i would be ecstatic to land either lamb or davis and then miller late in the lotto.

[dav7z]

Im not as big on the sean as you guys but Davis is first on my wish list and Barnes is 2nd . Thinking Barnes fits our needs better . . You guys thoughts am i way off base.

[polarcat]

checked with my college superfan/scout friend at work, he said the exact same thing you did. miller is the exact type of sf we need. a 20-25ppg/6-7reb/1-2a per game straight scorer from outside, dribble, inside etc. so if we could turn our second and portland's first next year into a late lottery pick or pick up another pick in a trade this year i would be ecstatic to land either lamb or davis and then miller late in the lotto.

If Cho could pull this off (which I feel like has in PDX & OKC), we would be an elite franchise in 2-3 years. A Davis/Miller combo in the draft would be ideal and with Cho at the helm, not out of the realm of possibility.

Kemba
Henderson
Miller
Davis
Biyombo

:drool:

[SWedd523]

yo, swedd. is miller more of a traditional sf. at his height and scoring numbers could he be future superstar?

Quincy is a pure SF and has the most "it" potential of all the SFs in the draft. The problem is that he's been really up and down this year so his stock has taken a bit of a hit, but if you absolutely forced me to take one of the wings in this draft, it'dd probably be him.

[JamieMcNeill]

Miller is my favorite wing over Kidd-Gilchrist by an inch. Lamb will probably go too high to make him an option but miller may be someone who goes 8-14ish that we could get with a lower pick. He's long and a deadly scorer. Just what we need

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

I love Quincy Miller's game i think he will be better then harrison Barnes in the NBA tbh

[Chrystos]

Do you think Jeremy Lamb can play small forward in the NBA ?

[SWedd523]

I have a feeling he'll measure out taller than people expect, somewhere around 6'6. Plus he already has an insanely long wingspan (7'0+) so he could do it out of necessity, much like Hendo. But, I think he's much better served as a two.

[ohara831]

I am starting to fear that we suck so bad, that every underclassman will declare they are returning to school, and the Draft will be nothing but Seniors. Lord have mercy, we stink.

[GoBobs]

This draft is looking more and more like Davis and everyone else. Love how many blocks he is getting.

[Chrystos]

So Sweed, which NBA player would you compare Perry Jones III to. (Please don't tell me its Anthony Randolph)

[Zoolander]

I think Lamb has the most potential out of anyone in this draft. Whenever he puts it together he'll be special.

[adam187]

what are everybody's thoughts on something i think i saw in chad ford's chat awhile back, that this draft seems like it'll produce a decent number of potential all-stars, but maybe not that franchise player (like a rose, durant, lebron, howard, wade etc)?

i don't watch enough college ball to have any sort of facts to back this up, just something i saw and wanted to see how people who do watch felt about it.

[Demon DeaCat]

I would agree with that assessment (Chad Ford's). That's the frustrating part in all of this for me. I can deal with the losing if the payoff is a mega star, but I just don't see one in this draft. Lot's of good players, but probably no great ones.

I'm not as impressed with the bigs as a lot of people are. Drummond does have the size and athleticism, but has no offensive ability whatsoever at the present time. He has bust written all over him. I hope he stays in school because I'm afraid we'd take him if he's on the board.

Even Davis is fairly limited offensively. You wouldn't know it just looking at his stats, but he has no post-game at all. With his athleticism, which is impressive, he lives off a steady diet of put backs and dunks, but is still quite raw in terms of his ability to receive the ball in post position and score. Not that he couldn't develop that over time, but I'm awfully afraid that Davis is just a younger version of Tyrus Thomas, but with a worse mid-range jump shot. Crazy athletic, great shot-blocker, but too skinny and not a post threat.

I'm also not too excited by Sullinger. He's a classic, low risk, low reward type guy. He's Kenyon Martin at best. Definitely a safe pick and a solid player, but no where near an all-star.

I probably like Barnes or Miller as much as anyone. I don't know if Barnes is a star either, but I like the Luol Deng comparison. He'll be a good 16-17 ppg guy that we could pencil in as our starting SF for the foreseeable future. I haven't seen Miller as much, but I like what I've seen and the upside is there.

I'm also intrigued by Brad Beal. He's been a little up and down but pure shooters are hard to come by. I don't know if he's Ray Allen, but he's in that mold and I'd love to have a guy like that.

[SWedd523]

what are everybody's thoughts on something i think i saw in chad ford's chat awhile back, that this draft seems like it'll produce a decent number of potential all-stars, but maybe not that franchise player (like a rose, durant, lebron, howard, wade etc)?

i don't watch enough college ball to have any sort of facts to back this up, just something i saw and wanted to see how people who do watch felt about it.

He's probably right. There aren't any surefire stars like LeBron or Durant, but there are a ton of A and B+ level players.

However, keep in mind that a lot of the guys you listed (Rose, Howard, Wade) were anything BUT surefire stars. You don't always know if a guy is going to be a high level player or not.

[adam187]

He's probably right. There aren't any surefire stars like LeBron or Durant, but there are a ton of A and B+ level players.

However, keep in mind that a lot of the guys you listed (Rose, Howard, Wade) were anything BUT surefire stars. You don't always know if a guy is going to be a high level player or not.

Very true. For example, Kyrie is tearing it up right now, I think that is coming as a surprise to a lot of people, especially me. Wade went 5th, Chris Paul 4th, Durant 2nd, Westbrook 4th, and Love 5th, those are all guys you can build around in my mind. You can never be 100% on what guy is gonna morph into a big time player. I just really hope the team nails this draft, as we all do. Considering where we were originally picking last year, I'm happy we came away with Kemba and Bismack. I'm hoping we continue in that vein this coming draft.

[Mustachio]

He's probably right. There aren't any surefire stars like LeBron or Durant, but there are a ton of A and B+ level players.

However, keep in mind that a lot of the guys you listed (Rose, Howard, Wade) were anything BUT surefire stars. You don't always know if a guy is going to be a high level player or not.


Exactly... and honestly even LeBron and Durant aren't surefire. No draft pick ever is. Its a total crap shoot that hinges on about a billion different circumstances included player development in the franchise. Durant went second then to sure fire Greg Oden for instance. You just never know.

[Zoolander]

Exactly... and honestly even LeBron and Durant aren't surefire. No draft pick ever is. Its a total crap shoot that hinges on about a billion different circumstances included player development in the franchise. Durant went second then to sure fire Greg Oden for instance. You just never know.
:yeahthat: I mean Kobe Bryant was the 13th overall pick. Now he's one of the greatest to ever play the game. A players work ethic and desire to be great combined with skill is hard to judge. Some people get it right. Alot of people get it wrong...

[adam187]

i played the lottery machine a couple of times over at espn. if we stay the worst team in the league, the worst we can pick is 4th. according to the machine the players we would pick (in this order, it seems) are:

1. anthony davis
2. harrison barnes
3. andre drummond
4. thomas robinson

that seems to be our "big board" at the moment, according to espn.

[Chef]

i played the lottery machine a couple of times over at espn. if we stay the worst team in the league, the worst we can pick is 4th. according to the machine the players we would pick (in this order, it seems) are:

1. anthony davis
2. harrison barnes
3. andre drummond
4. thomas robinson

that seems to be our "big board" at the moment, according to espn.

not a robinson fan. we need offense. so if it isn't davis or drummond it has to be miller, lamb, barnes, beal, perry jones

[skratch]

Very true. For example, Kyrie is tearing it up right now, I think that is coming as a surprise to a lot of people, especially me. Wade went 5th, Chris Paul 4th, Durant 2nd, Westbrook 4th, and Love 5th, those are all guys you can build around in my mind. You can never be 100% on what guy is gonna morph into a big time player. I just really hope the team nails this draft, as we all do. Considering where we were originally picking last year, I'm happy we came away with Kemba and Bismack. I'm hoping we continue in that vein this coming draft.

Kyrie was no suprise to me, even seeing his little play at duke it seemed obvious he was special, he like D-rose to me, hes going to be a future all star.

[Chef]

question for the planet: what about a very late second or undrafted FA pickup of ryan kelly from duke? he is a 7 footer that plays mostly on the perimeter. at duke, i think that he is completely lost and buried in the coach k team ball system. i have seen him routinely put in 30-40 pts in the durham pro-am summer league looking like dirk pouring in turn around 18 footers, drives and post ups. granted the summer league is very spotty competition at best, but in this environment he absolutely thrives. i think it may translate to the nba. probably not as a star but if i am right, i could see him being a slightly different version of mullens.

[CatNation1]

question for the planet: what about a very late second or undrafted FA pickup of ryan kelly from duke? he is a 7 footer that plays mostly on the perimeter. at duke, i think that he is completely lost and buried in the coach k team ball system. i have seen him routinely put in 30-40 pts in the durham pro-am summer league looking like dirk pouring in turn around 18 footers, drives and post ups. granted the summer league is very spotty competition at best, but in this environment he absolutely thrives. i think it may translate to the nba. probably not as a star but if i am right, i could see him being a slightly different version of mullens.

Regardless of his skills I think MJ would sell the team before he signed off on drafting Ryan Kelly

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

How's Perry Jones progressing, I heard he's a super athletic skinny guy but with more offensive game than AD but minus the shot blocking. If we didn't get the top pick and he'd had a good ncaa tournament would anyone consider picking him?

[Pepperz]

Austin Rivers stock just jumped up a bit. I always liked his game. Wonder if this is going to be a consistent thing for him.

[ohara831]

Austin Rivers stock just jumped up a bit. I always liked his game. Wonder if this is going to be a consistent thing for him.

I like Rivers, but my feeling is he will stay for another year at Duke. One, his family doesn't need the money. Two, while he has lots of potential, he is at best a late Lottery pick. Staying at school to learn another year from Coach K, and getting valuable experience will likely vault him into the Top 5 in 2013. Third, the trend seems to be these young kids staying for their Soph year. I think it would do him a lot of good. And we will still likely be in the running for him in the 2013 Draft.

[Chef]

Austin Rivers stock just jumped up a bit. I always liked his game. Wonder if this is going to be a consistent thing for him.

i like him alot. problem is he isn't fast enough to be a scoring point guard and not big enough to be a nba shooting guard. that is why he is where he is in the draft list. he is a gamer though, no denying that.

[ohara831]

i like him alot. problem is he isn't fast enough to be a scoring point guard and not big enough to be a nba shooting guard. that is why he is where he is in the draft list. he is a gamer though, no denying that.

Isn't this pretty much what people said about Steph Curry? And Rivers is about 1 inch bigger and 15 lbs heavier. Kid gets his own shot, just like Curry, so that doesn't bother me. He'll be fine. He just needs to hone those PG skills a bit more. A solid combo guard who can shoot like that is nothing to sneeze at.

[Chef]

Isn't this pretty much what people said about Steph Curry? And Rivers is about 1 inch bigger and 15 lbs heavier. Kid gets his own shot, just like Curry, so that doesn't bother me. He'll be fine. He just needs to hone those PG skills a bit more. A solid combo guard who can shoot like that is nothing to sneeze at.

i think steph had much better pg skills ie court vision and passing than rivers, but he was a junior where rivers is a freshman. you raise a very good point. would i take him in the top 10, no. would i trade a player kemba for him at 11-20? probably wouldn't think twice about it.

[ohara831]

If Rivers does stay another year at Duke, and I hope for his sake he does, then next season should be very telling. If you see more improvment in his ball handling, court vision and over-all PG skills, kid will be scary and shoot right to the top of 2013 draft. Pops make lots of $ so the family does not need him to go pro yet. Have to think his dad will tell him to stay another year and improve his game. Doc is no dummy.

[Pepperz]

If Rivers goes into the draft this year, it will be because he wants to play against the top talent. He talked about how he wants to destroy LeBron James. That was while he was in high school. So if given a chance to be a top pick this year, I think he would take it.

[ohara831]

Any PJ3 fans will be really disappointed with the performance today in Baylor's loss. He looked bad.

[Plowright]

I am not a PJ3 fan, he lives off potential but i just don't see it and don't think he is worth the risk. He wouldn't even be in my top 10 right now, too risky and we cannot afford another bust

[Chef]

I am not a PJ3 fan, he lives off potential but i just don't see it and don't think he is worth the risk. He wouldn't even be in my top 10 right now, too risky and we cannot afford another bust

i think quincy miller is the bear i would want at this point. pj 3 may end up being very good but not superstar. his on/off game reminds me of lamar odom.

[skratch]

I think terrance jones should be put over barnes, dude has swagger, i cant believe barnes is considered a top 3 pick, better yet top 5

[Chef]

I think terrance jones should be put over barnes, dude has swagger, i cant believe barnes is considered a top 3 pick, better yet top 5

i like jermey lamb over barnes. i would rather risk on a big time star and miss than take a "sure thing" and end up with a 2nd or 3rd banana

[skratch]

i like jermey lamb over barnes. i would rather risk on a big time star and miss than take a "sure thing" and end up with a 2nd or 3rd banana

I wouldnt mind that if we could trade henderson & i guess Dj for another top pick or a center

[DashGlobal]

Elite player in the draft imo.

Atleast not at present. They all are lacking in some areas.

Dont get me wrong this is a solid draft class with many quality players but im not seeing any sure fire all stars or franchise players.

[Plowright]

I really like the look of Quincy miller and would look at him if we somehow got another lottery pick. I am not sold on Lamb, he is shooting % is way down and Baylor and UCON are not winning as many as they should. I would prefer Barnes for sure, I thin Anthony Davis is pretty sure fire if you ask me, thats who i want right now

[dnbman]

I don't follow college ball, but I watched the Kentucky game last night and Anthony Davis was darn near everything I'd hoped he'd be. I'd love for him to be a Bobcat next year.

[ohara831]

I don't follow college ball, but I watched the Kentucky game last night and Anthony Davis was darn near everything I'd hoped he'd be. I'd love for him to be a Bobcat next year.

You are wise, Obi Wan. He is the one player who is almost a sure bet, and the one who has the most potential to be a Star. I think Lamb is 2nd on my list. I am open right now on who is
3rd on my list, but I am leaning heavily towards Thomas Robinson from Kansas. Kinda a tweener, but the guy just gets it done and has a motor that wont quit.

[Ghost Kat]

Regardless of his skills I think MJ would sell the team before he signed off on drafting Ryan Kelly

With the way the franchise is looking I'd be ready to sell too

[dav7z]

, A Davis #1 Barnes #2 , Drumond#3 Lamb #4

[Chef]

, A Davis #1 Barnes #2 , Drumond#3 Lamb #4

what about leonard the center from illinois over drummond?

[SWedd523]

what about leonard the center from illinois over drummond?

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/005/997/how_about_no_evil.jpg

[Chef]

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/005/997/how_about_no_evil.jpg

good enough for me. i have heard several opinions that say he is the 2nd best center in the draft as far as sure thing vs potential.

[SWedd523]

The few times I've watched him this year, I've come away unimpressed. 5/12/1 against Michigan (guard heavy lineup). 4/6/3 against Michigan St. 14/5/0 against Ohio State. Maybe I just didn't catch him on good nights but looking at his game log, his best games seem to be against low level competition. Here are his double double games:

22/12/5 against Richmond
18/11/2 against Coppin State
19/16/3 against Cornell
14/13/2 against Missouri (great team, but guard heavy)
20/11/5 against Minnesota (double overtime game)
16/11/0 against Wisconsin
17/13/4 against Minnesota (overtime game)


Not that I'm particularly against him, I'm just wary about putting him in my top 10 right now.

[SWedd523]

By comparison, here's John Henson's list of double doubles:

20/12/2 against UNC-Asheville
18/14/1 against Mississippi Valley State
16/10/4 against Tennessee State
13/12/3 against Evansville
24/10/4 against Long Beach State
16/11/2 against Elon
11/14/0 against Miami
16/16/6 against Virginia Tech
14/12/4 against Wake Forest
17/12/1 against Maryland
12/17/1 against Duke
10/10/4 against Virginia


some bad teams in there, but he's had a double double in six of ten ACC games (and each of the last four).

[SWedd523]

And now that I'm curious, let's see Anthony Davis:

23/10/5 against Marist
13/12/4 against Portland
15/15/8 against St. John's
14/18/5 against Chattanooga
15/11/3 against Loyola
10/13/6 against Lamar
18/10/6 against Louisville
22/16/3 against Arkansas Little Rock
12/10/7 against South Carolina
27/14/7 against Arkansas
16/10/3 against LSU


Jared Sullinger:

20/11/1 against Jackson State
27/13/0 against North Florida
17/12/0 against VMI
14/13/1 against Valparaiso
12/10/0 against USC Upstate
18/11/2 against Lamar
17/14/1 against Northwestern
19/12/0 against Nebraska
20/13/2 against Penn State
24/10/0 against Wisconsin
17/16/1 against Michigan State

and Thomas Robinson:

18/11/1 against Towson
11/12/1 against Kentucky
20/12/2 against Georgetown
15/10/0 against UCLA
16/15/1 against Duke
19/17/4 against Florida Atlantic
26/11/1 against Long Beach State
21/18/1 against Davidson
30/21/1 against North Dakota
15/14/1 against Kansas State
19/12/0 against Texas Tech
11/14/3 against Iowa State
27/14/1 against Baylor
18/10/3 against Texas A&M
20/17/2 against Oklahoma
25/13/0 against Missouri
15/11/1 against Baylor
24/14/1 against Oklahoma State

[ohara831]

^^^Which is why Robinson is now a Top 5 pick in a lot of mocks right now. He's getting a lot of love. How he does the rest of the year and NCAA Tourney will determine how high he rises. But he will not get past #2 as he will not overtake Davis for #1.

[ohara831]

Started looking at possible players with our top of the 2nd round pick. Hoping someone slides and falls right into our hands. One player to look at is Tony Wroten, Jr from Washington. Especially if we are losing DJ Augustin. Wroten is a terrific combo PG/SG. He is 6'5 205 lbs and can pass and drive to the hoop. Not a terrific jump shot tho, and needs to improve on it. But this kid would be a steal at the top of the 2nd. Seen a couple mocks with him falling to us there, but most have him going in the 1st somewhere from the #20 pick and back. So unless we make a trade to acquire another 1st, not likely to see hiim as a Bobcat. But if he did find his way to Charlotte, would be a terrific pick up for us.

[SWedd523]

Wroten has lottery aspirations. If he thinks he'll go late first or fall to the second, he won't come out. I do agree with you though, he has a ton of potential. Plays a lot like a poor man's Westbrook. The times I tuned into Washington games looking to see Ross, I usually come away more impressed with Wroten.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

Anyone know anything about Lebryan Nash, I cant seem to find anything about him except from whats on draft xpress. He's predicted as a late 1st/ early 2nd round pick. From what I've read on draft xpress and from the 2 games i've seen him play in he has amazing physical tools a good post game and a decent mid range + can get to the rim/ create own shot. Huge weakness is his jump shot. His ceiling really intrigues me though.

[anton273]

Swedd with all them double doubles... i obviously know the top colleges but without going into research on the others which guy looks best on paper...

We look certain for a top 3 pick...can i get all your top 5 predictions pre march madness then see how it changes throughout march...Here's my predictions:
1.Davis
2.Drummond
3.Barnes
4.MKG
5.Robinson

[SWedd523]

A lot of it depends on who picks where. Could you give me the bottom 5 teams in order?

[anton273]

A lot of it depends on who picks where. Could you give me the bottom 5 teams in order?

Ok best case 1. Charltote 2. New orleans 3.washington 4.detroit 5.sacramento

worst case 1. detroit 2.new orleans 3.washington 4.charlotte 5. sacramento

[SWedd523]

BC
1. Charlotte--Davis (clear number 1)
2. New Orleans--Drummond (they want out of Oakafor's contract. Barnes a distant second.)
3. Washington--Lamb (this one is tough. They could go Sullinger if they're serious about moving Blatche and they could even look at Barnes even though they just picked Vesely and Singleton.)
4. Detroit--Barnes (if they want wing offense. they'll also look hard at Gilchrist if they want defense. They'd do well to trade down for a guy like Henson to pair with Monroe.)
5. Sacramento--Gilchrist (mixes well with Tyreke and Thornton. Sullinger/Robinson are bad fits with Cousins.)


WC
1. Detroit--Davis (clear number 1 and a perfect fit with Monroe.)
2. New Orleans--Drummond (same situation as above.)
3. Washington--Lamb (same as above.)
4. Charlotte--Sullinger (great fit with Bismack as long as he doesn't disappoint with measurements. Barnes could also be the choice for obvious reasons.)
5. Sacramento--Gilchrist (Barnes as an alternative but I see MKG as a better fit.)

[SWedd523]

BC
1. Charlotte--Davis (clear number 1)
2. New Orleans--Drummond (they want out of Oakafor's contract. Barnes a distant second.)
3. Washington--Lamb (this one is tough. They could go Sullinger if they're serious about moving Blatche and they could even look at Barnes even though they just picked Vesely and Singleton.)
4. Detroit--Barnes (if they want wing offense. they'll also look hard at Gilchrist if they want defense. They'd do well to trade down for a guy like Henson to pair with Monroe.)
5. Sacramento--Gilchrist (mixes well with Tyreke and Thornton. Sullinger/Robinson are bad fits with Cousins.)


WC
1. Detroit--Davis (clear number 1 and a perfect fit with Monroe.)
2. New Orleans--Drummond (same situation as above.)
3. Washington--Lamb (same as above.)
4. Charlotte--Sullinger (great fit with Bismack as long as he doesn't disappoint with measurements. Barnes could also be the choice for obvious reasons.)
5. Sacramento--Gilchrist (Barnes as an alternative but I see MKG as a better fit.)

[anton273]

Yeah i like what your saying, i think washington are the problem team in this draft they already have a whole crop of talent in their team and i think they will make a stupid draft choice if they land outside top 2.

Ok this is the more interesting question, we end up with 4th pick. NO take Davis, Detroit take Drummond, Washington take sullinger as a replacement to blatche... What do we do? Lamb? Barnes? MKG? Thomson?

[SWedd523]

The FO would probably go Barnes, but I still think Lamb has a much better future ahead of him

[anton273]

The FO would probably go Barnes, but I still think Lamb has a much better future ahead of him

He is the big name in the draft and maybe MJ could work his magic on him... You really do like Lamb dont you!

I just hope we can have 2 succesfull back to back drafts!!!

[Chef]

He is the big name in the draft and maybe MJ could work his magic on him... You really do like Lamb dont you!

I just hope we can have 2 succesfull back to back drafts!!!

lamb shows more ability to get his own shot. i think both could be all stars but only lamb could be a superduper star. barnes is more like harden where lamb COULD be more like wade.

[SWedd523]

He is the big name in the draft and maybe MJ could work his magic on him... You really do like Lamb dont you!

I just hope we can have 2 succesfull back to back drafts!!!

Honestly, I'be been a huge Tar Heel fan my whole life and have been a Barnes fan since last year. I'm also not at all a fan of UConn and wasn't a fan of Lamb all up until a few weeks into this season. You can probably find my old posts where I say Lamb shouldn't be in the top 5.

But watching the two this year showed me that Lamb has that extra little it factor where I can see him being the man on a team. And Barnes showed that he hasn't really improved much over last year and just look like an eventual role player. Not that its a bad thing, but is rather have the guy who can be a top 5 player at his position in a few years.

[Chef]

Draft Blog: What happened to the "great" draft of 2012? http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog/_/name/nba_draft/id/7610521/nba-draft-supposedly-stellar-prospect-crop-looks-bust (insider)

any insider want to copy this on here

[s.d.s]

i personally dont like Sullinger at num4 and i dont think he is what Charllotte, needs Sullinger is not very athletic, isnt that long, just dosent have that great of a potential celing, he does have the most developed post game, but idk if it will contribute to scoring in the nba, he dosent have that good of a mid range game, so its not like he can make up for his lack of length and athleticism by spreading the court out, he is a good rebounder but that is also because he is one of the strongest guys in college....in the nba he wont be that guy
so i say no to sullinger exspecially at 4 and not in the top 8 if i was any team
Barnes or Davis are the two guys for Charllote, Barnes is a very good scorer, and some dont like him because he dosent score enough, but why does he have to score 20 a night when he is on the team with arguably the most talent on it? other then Kentucky? he dosent need to score 20 a night so he dosent go crazy with the ball, which i like, he has a good 3 can rebound pretty good, good ball handling skills, coaches say he has a good work ethic, perfect fit for charllote, with the scoring of which we really need, and his length will help with our smaller guards
Davis is the concensus num 1 pick, hes athletic has a good mid range game for his size, very good ball handling skills for his size, remember he was a pg his junior year in high school, great shot blocker , plus he has a good work ethic...Drummond written bust all over him, dosent try at all, extremly disinterested, his entire team is a top talent, but they fail as a team because no one is a leader, dont pick anyone from Connecticut unless you have some leaders, we dont..Kemba yea, but he still has 2 to 3 years to develop, Thomas Robinson who i love, sure at 5 or 6, good rebounder, ehh on def, has alot to improve there, very good ball handling skills for his size, athletic, good fadeaway in the post, sick spin move when driving and in the post, higher potential then Sullinger,
thats it

[Pepperz]

i personally dont like Sullinger at num4 and i dont think he is what Charllotte, needs Sullinger is not very athletic, isnt that long, just dosent have that great of a potential celing, he does have the most developed post game, but idk if it will contribute to scoring in the nba, he dosent have that good of a mid range game, so its not like he can make up for his lack of length and athleticism by spreading the court out, he is a good rebounder but that is also because he is one of the strongest guys in college....in the nba he wont be that guy
so i say no to sullinger exspecially at 4 and not in the top 8 if i was any team
Barnes or Davis are the two guys for Charllote, Barnes is a very good scorer, and some dont like him because he dosent score enough, but why does he have to score 20 a night when he is on the team with arguably the most talent on it? other then Kentucky? he dosent need to score 20 a night so he dosent go crazy with the ball, which i like, he has a good 3 can rebound pretty good, good ball handling skills, coaches say he has a good work ethic, perfect fit for charllote, with the scoring of which we really need, and his length will help with our smaller guards
Davis is the concensus num 1 pick, hes athletic has a good mid range game for his size, very good ball handling skills for his size, remember he was a pg his junior year in high school, great shot blocker and good low post moves, plus he has a good work ethic...Drummond written bust all over him, dosent try at all, extremly disinterested, his entire team is a top talent, but they fail as a team because no one is a leader, dont pick anyone from Connecticut unless you have some leaders, we dont..Kemba yea, but he still has 2 to 3 years to develop, Thomas Robinson who i love, sure at 5 or 6, good rebounder, ehh on def, has alot to improve there, very good ball handling skills for his size, athletic, good fadeaway in the post, sick spin move when driving and in the post, higher potential then Sullinger,
thats it

Not trying to be a dick but do you watch ANY college ball?

Sullinger shoots. .407 from the college 3 but yet you say he doesnt have a good mid range. Give you an idea, Barnes shoots. .429

Barnes has bad ball handling skills which is why hes the Ray Allen of SFs. He doesnt create enough off the dribble.

Davis with a good mid range? 90% of his points come off lobs and put backs. Why do you think he shoots around 66%. I cant remember where I read it but when it comes to mid ranges, he shoots some where around mid 20%. Where did he ever have good low post moves? He does it once a game and hes not very successful at that to begin with.

[s.d.s]

ahh i meant to say sullinger has a good psot game..opps Sullinger is like Robinson at the mid range game, he shoots a 3 when he is WIDE open and no one is on him and shoots maybe 1 3 pt a shot, but he isnt a THREAT from the mid range, at all, he might develop it but hey whatever, uncontested 3 pt shots should be fairly easy to make....
Davis by a multitude of scouts have said that he reminds them of a Kevin Garnett type player, so yes i assumed that he had a mid range game,
Plus u assume that 27 shots means some one has a good 3 pt or mid range game? how does that work? 27 3pt attempts when most of the are wide open does not mean he is a legitament threat deep plus he has only made 1 3pt attempt against a ranked team this year, that was 1 against michigan state where he shot at an amazing 33%, against nba talent his shooting percentage is going to DROP
Davis wont since most of those shots are easy dunks and lay ups, of which Sullinger were also have problems to get with his lets say Athleticism...Sullinger does have the potential to be a poor mans kevin love...3 to 4 years down...and thats most likely an over statement, who knows maybe he will become memphis' Zach Randolph...the only power foward that is considered a top talent who can't dunk...Although Sullinger can, but by the time he is Zach Randolphs age he wont
one last comment the only reason why i take robinson over Sullinger is because he is more athletic and has the ability to become a tweener at the 3 if he works at his ball handling skills, a big 3, but a 3,

[s.d.s]

wow i need to spell check more often...soooo many errors but whatever, if you have questions on what i meant for some parts plz ask...dont feel like editing the post

[s.d.s]

i do believe i jumped the gun

[s.d.s]

okay basically neglect the majority of what i said in my reply...i meant to say Sullinger has a good post game-not Davis, and bla bla bla...Davis needs to gain about 20 pounds before the combine though...Sullinger needs to lose 20 pounds, his strength worked for him in college, it wont in the nba, there will be guys stronger then him easy, and more athletic, he needs to get some hops and if losing weight does that, then his potential i do believe sky rockets, if not he needs to go to Zach Randolph and be taught on how to play the post by him, although sullinger does have a good psot game to start with, it isnt going to be enough in the NBA

[Chef]

okay basically neglect the majority of what i said in my reply...i meant to say Sullinger has a good post game-not Davis, and bla bla bla...Davis needs to gain about 20 pounds before the combine though...Sullinger needs to lose 20 pounds, his strength worked for him in college, it wont in the nba, there will be guys stronger then him easy, and more athletic, he needs to get some hops and if losing weight does that, then his potential i do believe sky rockets, if not he needs to go to Zach Randolph and be taught on how to play the post by him, although sullinger does have a good psot game to start with, it isnt going to be enough in the NBA

it alright. no need to over apologize. i agree with you on sullinger at 4 spot though.

[bes628]

Barnes or I dont care.

Whoever said Ray Allen of SF's, I'll take that all day everyday. We struggle to do everything as a team, but we need people who can score in the worst way. He can work on his handles, but as a spot up shooter he's still fantastic.

[ziggy]

I'm sitting here watching this afternoon's game waiting for Harrison Barnes to do something that WOWS me... So far I remain un-WOWed.

[gamecocksmitty4]

I don't understand why anyone would waste a first round pick on Barnes. He's a three-point specialist who can't shoot them at a high clip. His defense is average. Three point shooting is average. Ball handling is dreadful. Aggressiveness is below average. Passing is below average. Slashing is mediocre-to-below average. There is absolutely nothing that he does that is better than average. Even his free throw shooting is only 72%.

[bes628]

I'm sitting here watching this afternoon's game waiting for Harrison Barnes to do something that WOWS me... So far I remain un-WOWed.

17 points on a team where he's far from a focal point. And that wasn't even a good game for him.

[Chef]

17 points on a team where he's far from a focal point. And that wasn't even a good game for him.

i don't watch much college ball but it seems to me that the times i do see unc, barnes is the first option. not the only option but definitely the go to guy.

[Pepperz]

That was far from a good game. Missed sum easy shots here and there. Forcing some others. I did like some of the moves he did pull to get to the basket even though they were some of the misses. 17 points for an average game doesnt wow me but it doesnt hurt him eitehr.

[Plowright]

I watched the entire game, my first time watching all of Barnes game not just highlights and halves and I can say he did look like a player who warrented a top 3 pick. He looked distinctly average tbh, he did not stand out at all. I was all for taking Barnes after reading numerous reports on him but i watched this game and was lie... is this it? I know its only one game but still every time I watch Davis he looks like the number 1 pick

[ohara831]

I watched the entire game, my first time watching all of Barnes game not just highlights and halves and I can say he did look like a player who warrented a top 3 pick. He looked distinctly average tbh, he did not stand out at all. I was all for taking Barnes after reading numerous reports on him but i watched this game and was lie... is this it? I know its only one game but still every time I watch Davis he looks like the number 1 pick

You say he did look like a player who warranted a Top 3 pick. But what you say afterwards makes me think you meant to say he did NOT. Did you mean to say he did not and just forgot to type in the "not"?

[Plowright]

ohhhhhhhhhh yeah i meant to write not! My bad

[anton273]

To be honest i think we need to get to the defensive capabilities we showed in 2009/10 with the playoff team.

We had the 7th best record at home 31-10... that was only due to tough defence we played.

All i want is someone to complement smack in the middle... once we establish our front court, the back court will soon follow quickly.

Dream secenario is davis.... but correct me if im wrong... the last time the worst ranked team won the lottery was orlando magic with howard back in 05?

Hopefully we can break the trend...

[adam187]

guys i would be excited about: davis, beal, mkg

guys i would be nervous about: drummond, barnes

guys i would be up in the air about: robinson, lamb

obviously i would root for and support whoever ends up on the team, but those would be my immediate gut reactions.

[Pepperz]

Top ten list from 1-19-2012



1. Anthony Davis
2. Jeremy Lamb
3. Harrison Barnes
4. Perry Jones III
5. Jared Sullinger
6. Andre Drummond
7. Quincy Miller
8. Mike da Kidd-Gilchrist
9. Thomas Robinson
10. James McAdoo


New Top ten list....

1. Davis
2. Beal
3. Barnes
4. Thomas Robinson
5. Drummund
6. Mike da Kidd-Gilchrist
7. Sullinger
8. Perry Jones III
9. Lamb
10. James Macadoo

This is a top 10 list for the Bobcats on were they ranks for the team and not a mock draft order.

[ohara831]

What I like is that with Kidd-Gilchrist , Rivers and others declaring, it pushes other good players back. The more who declare and will be pegged for the middle to late 1st round, the more likely a couple good ones slide and are available with our 2nd round pick.

[bes628]

Let me just say...Barnes is now a mid 1st pick in my mind. Can't go 1 for 13 when you're team needs you. Impeccable physical tools though. Terrible handles.

[Chef]

Let me just say...Barnes is now a mid 1st pick in my mind. Can't go 1 for 13 when you're team needs you. Impeccable physical tools though. Terrible handles.

i agree that he won't be special in the nba. but the argument against using this last game is in football a receiver can't throw the ball to himself too. whoever the splotchy white backup pg is, is terrible at running an offense and developing a flow.

[SWedd523]

For the sake of clarity, going to shut this one down as well. Discussion on individual players should be moved to their respective threads. If you want me to put up one on a different player, just send me a message