Kwame Brown signs with warriors... 1 year, 7 million

[CatMan72]

Kwame Brown signed with the warriors for 1 year, 7 million

[Proudiddy]

beat me to it catman...

7 mil? They can have that... But we do need to address C immediately.

[CatMan72]

Yeah, for 7 million I wish him the best of luck... but we need to find another center ASAP.

[ND22]

Welp. It was fun Kwame.

Roy Hibbert now? Yes? Maybe? Do we have any other choice?

[Dcarnys]

Sad to say how much losing Kwame Brown screws us over. Still good for him, can't say he didn't work for it (and hire one helluva agent).

[spectre]

From GSW board:


Amundsen is odd man out now, and I'd look to try and trade him for a SF piece. If not Lou's a decent guy to have at the end of the bench in case of injury. He is a veteran after all with playoff experience.

S&T, Kwame for Amundsen? Basically just saves GSW a little cap and gets us another body at C. If I remember right we did show some interest in Amundsen prior.

[spectre]

Welp. It was fun Kwame.

Roy Hibbert now? Yes? Maybe? Do we have any other choice?

Where are you getting that Hibbert is available? I thought the Pacers loved the guy.

[ohara831]

I dont see Hibbert being available. I think we end up looking at Thabeet.

And Kwame did not screw us over. 1 yr for 7 mil is way over value and it beats what Bobcat fans wanted to pay him, around $3 mil/ yr. He had to take the offer.

[JGib23]

Looks like we will get to see Diaw at the 5 and run a lot. Should be an athletic line up if indeed we start Tyrus at the 4 and Kemba gets a lot of burn at the 1.

We will be better offensively with Tyrus/Diaw vs. Diaw/Kwame.

Getting excited for the season and I'm glad we showed some fiscal responsibility and didn't overpay Kwame.

[Toocool]

Pacers love Hibbert too much to trade him. He's their C now and in the foreseeable future. Sure I would love Hibbert, but don't see us getting him.

[superb1]

hey, we can bring back former first rounder A. Ajinca.

just kidding, a little humor for this morning

[Plowright]

I'm glad we showed some fiscal responsibility and didn't overpay Kwame.

I feel this 100 times!

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2011/12/higgins-reacts-to-kwame-brown-leaving.html

This also says Borias will play a lot of 5. For me that is also Rods way of saying TT will start at the 4 this year

[bes628]

Rod Higgins is a fucking idiot.

"I don't think it's a problem when Boris guards a Ryan Holllins -- or even a Dwight Howard...."

[Scottley Crue]

Seven million? Via con Dios, Kwame. Thanks for the memories.

[ammofan]

Thank god we didn't pay him that much. He was good for us, but not that good. Gotta stay flexible.

[docend24]

Rod Higgins is a fucking idiot.

"I don't think it's a problem when Boris guards a Ryan Holllins -- or even a Dwight Howard...."

He would be idiot if he would try to do anything about it. He is doing the right thing (thanks Cho).

[anton273]

Sucks that we wont have a decent center now but at least we will suck even more...top 3 pick here we come!

[CatNation1]

diaw at 5 for long stretches was great when we had Crash gettin 15 boards a game. I'm not sure its gonna work out as well this season

[bes628]

He would be idiot if he would try to do anything about it. He is doing the right thing (thanks Cho).

He's not a idiot for not signing Brown. He's a idiot for thinking that we could be ok possibly matching up Boris on Dwight Howard or any capable center in fact.

[Proudiddy]

And then we have this:

rick_bonnell Rick Bonnell
Silas says Diop (back from ruptured Achilles) could not play steady minutes at this point in his conditioning.



rick_bonnell Rick Bonnell
#Bobcats Gana Diop, the team's only true center with Kwame Brown gone, says he's 25 pounds overweight (305, vs. 285 last season)

why the f*ck is he still on the roster?

[ND22]

Where are you getting that Hibbert is available? I thought the Pacers loved the guy.

Maybe I'm confusing him with Thabett, but I thought he was being amnestied. Which made no sense to me.

[Let's Go Cats 218]

Jesus... I know he's not worth 7 million, but are we going to have enough guys to fill out a roster? This feels like we're packing it in.

And anyone saying Boris Diaw is a viable option at Center... you're crazy. He would instantly be the worst, most abused starting Center in the NBA.

[SWedd523]

we already have 12 guys on the roster. You need to go take a look at the Hornets or Nuggets who have like 6 guys signed.


And Kwame, you're welcome.

[Let's Go Cats 218]

we already have 12 guys on the roster. You need to go take a look at the Hornets or Nuggets who have like 6 guys signed.


And Kwame, you're welcome.

I think you're using the term "12 guys" loosely. 12 bodies... yes. Probably 5 or 6 that should ever see the court.

Man, I hate to feel like I'm being negative because I LOVE the Bobcats... is anyone else as frustrated as me? All I see on here is optimism about the future... I guess I can live with that... but it sucks knowing this season is already a wash... (unless we pull some kind of magic, and 'Smack and Walker are incredible from day 1)

[bes628]

I think you're using the term "12 guys" loosely. 12 bodies... yes. Probably 5 or 6 that should ever see the court.

Man, I hate to feel like I'm being negative because I LOVE the Bobcats... is anyone else as frustrated as me? All I see on here is optimism about the future... I guess I can live with that... but it sucks knowing this season is already a wash... (unless we pull some kind of magic, and 'Smack and Walker are incredible from day 1)

Im right there with you dude. Ive never been the type to expect and welcome losing. So its hard for me to get comfortable with this situation. I love the team so much, but we're stuck in a perpetual suck right now from management down to the team.

Im hoping our team is like me and would rather die than lose, as opposed to ready for the tank.

[CatNation1]

lol who is even left in our price range? im expecting a Theo Ratliff signing any moment :facepalm:

[ziggy]

But don't panic guys, we do have an overweight, underskilled gana returning from a bad foot injury.:rolleyes:

[spectre]

I've never advocated tanking...ever. Most times strategically it wasn't in our best interests to win (think NY right before the Paul/Williams draft), but it just wasn't in me to pull for a loss.

We've went the route with fringe all stars. I loved Crash and I'm still pissed we traded him...but we weren't going to get much better than we were, esp. with a tight ass owner. Regardless, we've made our bed and here we are. The only possible bright side for us right now is "the future"...starting with that loaded as hell draft come next spring.

If we're going to be bad let's do it royally. Pull for "growth" as Kemba said. There's no way it can be much more painful than that 1st season where we won 18 games...and there's a good chance of an awesome payoff at the end.

[Let's Go Cats 218]

I've never advocated tanking...ever. Most times strategically it wasn't in our best interests to win (think NY right before the Paul/Williams draft), but it just wasn't in me to pull for a loss.

We've went the route with fringe all stars. I loved Crash and I'm still pissed we traded him...but we weren't going to get much better than we were, esp. with a tight ass owner. Regardless, we've made our bed and here we are. The only possible bright side for us right now is "the future"...starting with that loaded as hell draft come next spring.

If we're going to be bad let's do it royally. Pull for "growth" as Kemba said. There's no way it can be much more painful than that 1st season where we won 18 games...and there's a good chance of an awesome payoff at the end.

We need a center. Diop is terrible. There are so few true centers in this league, I'm afraid we might have to play TT or Diaw at center...and if we have to do that, we're going to get waxed every game.

[spectre]

We need a center. Diop is terrible. There are so few true centers in this league, I'm afraid we might have to play TT or Diaw at center...and if we have to do that, we're going to get waxed every game.

LOL even if we had signed Kwame we'd still be getting waxed every game!

[docend24]

He's not a idiot for not signing Brown. He's a idiot for thinking that we could be ok possibly matching up Boris on Dwight Howard or any capable center in fact.

What do you want him to say? Great, we missed on Kwame, somebody overpayed so you can't even blame us for letting him go and now we are rally bad and we are gonna suck, woohoo!

Please. :facepalm:

You have to say the right thing for players, coaches, fans and for whoever brings money. He might overdo it a bit but then again you can't really overdo it as long as you don't pull Kahn saying your team improved, because it has a better canteen now.

[docend24]

And then we have this:



why the f*ck is he still on the roster?

Because he is under contract and it doesn't make sense to use amnesty on him. Also because when we are shorthanded at center it would be hard to justify (to public) to get rid of last remaining true center on roster, whoever it is.

[docend24]

Still only 11, Swedd. Bismack is not signed and won't be till 19thDecember.

Augustin, Walker
Henderson, Carroll
Maggette, (Cunningham), Brown
Thomas, White, Najera
Diaw, Diop, (Biyombo)

11 with Dante being RFA (we can match any offer) and Bismack unsigned draft pick. That would be 13. We may just add Reggie Williams (Warriors won't bring him back at least) for SG/SF depth, a third PG/combo guard, maybe a big body to try (especially if there is no Bismack this year, who knows) or just keep one spot open and test D-League players or similar talent through it. We may just sign Dante to trade him ,although no Kwame means more PFs playing at C and thus more minutes to compete for at forwards spots. Also I would like to know whether UPS has a guaranteed contract, just in case we would need to open a roster spot later (not that I don't want him here, but it would be a dumb move to offer him a guaranteed contract when he wants to join and would take not fully guaranteed as well; no bid deal though). It looks like we will play a waiting game and pick up rescinded talents.

[SWedd523]

Good catch on that one doc, I thought UPS brought us to 12.


Still need a combo guard-- no clue(12)
A Center-- no clue (13)
A shooter-- Reggie (14)

and I think that's where we'll stop. I'm sure they want to reserve a spot for Bismack

[ballwhore]

I understand a lot of us don't care and will look at the bigger picture (building thru the draft) but the bobcats are going to get totally killed at the gates this year maybe even record lows in attendance with this group. Charlotte has already had the return of the franchise honeymoon this is not a OKC situation. I just think Cho has to do something to half way keep fans interested I don't see them holding pat and losing a gang of money again MJ doesn't have money to loose like the rest of these owners and years to try to turn a profit.

[Proudiddy]

That's my line of thinking ballwhore. Like I said, I understand building through the draft and considering this a "developmental" year, but that doesn't mean we have to be "all-time worst losers" bad. If we don't make some moves, we will be EXTREMELY, record-setting bad. Diaw will get killed at the 5. We have no real depth aside from PG and if we're going into the season with Diop as the only legitimate C on the roster (and that is questionable), we are going to get murdered nightly. My only hope is Smack can start the season and surprises a lot of people as a C (which I think he can).

There have been pieces out there that can be had for a low price, either through trade or signing that would be nice complimentary pieces to build with, or at the least, stop-gaps until we find permanent solutions.

Just because we're rebuilding doesn't mean we have to be non-competitive, which is how we're shaping up right now.

[docend24]

Somebody on RealGM suggested Fesenko (Utah). Looking at avaliable centers, he might be a good option to try. He is huge as anybody and would at least make extraordinary training body/buddy for Bismack. He is only 24, not many younger centers with NBA experinece up there in free agency (and of those Hollins and Ajinça - I would rather prefer serious approach with a gamble on someone else who could realistically evolve into a keeper and not these dejavus)

The thing is, I wouldn't be surprised if Bismack would be cleared not this month but some day way into season. I understand that FO would not like to have no spot left as he should play somewhere but it would be waste of spot meanwhile. I am all for bringing DLeaguers for 10 day contracts one by one till someone sticks.

Then we may fill some spot by trade Turiaf style. Dallas supposedly wants to get rid of Fernanadez, C.Brewer. Or we may open some spots by trading someone (Dante now, Diaw or simply expirings at deadline). I mean every second round pick counts, if I am not mistaken you can't just sold them now. Every team can still trade up to 3M of cash somewhere (Knicks already did that). At last there are injuries bound to happen epscially with such a schedule. It may worth considering trading for an injured difference maker, player on contender team (for Diaw etc.) depending on who would that be and how many years on contract he would have. Injured player wouldn't make our record worse and except headcases we may keep him for the rest of his contract, although maybe a slightly worse version. Not an albatross contract though.

[docend24]

Nevermind, looks like Rudy is going to Denver.

On attendance, or better for excitement in games. New face every 10 days would make things a bit more enetertaining I guess. Still this will be a awful season and we may rather try to find fun in how Gana and other outsiders will do thrown into the fire against real starters of the league.For that matter the goofier bench players the better.

[ohara831]

We saw how one player like Cam Newton can electify a fanbase in the NFL. If Kemba can start strong, and Biyombo shows something electric from the rebounding and defensive side, then I can see the fanbase being excited to watch them play. If the team plays hard, with effort, and are at least "in" most games, I think our attendance will not falter badly.

Ballwhore: Any word on DJ trade talk or does it look like he and Kemba will be sharing time at PG this year?

[Proudiddy]

Docend, I'm with you on that Fesenko idea... That's the approach I'm taking, young with potential but not much experience. I just remembered this guy, but how about the big guy we had in camp with us last year? From what I remember he produced well after we cut him in the DL. He looked pretty good in limited action and really good in practice at times while he was here as well, and one of the local writers said they had no doubt he was an NBA big man. Can't remember his name...

[bes628]

What do you want him to say? Great, we missed on Kwame, somebody overpayed so you can't even blame us for letting him go and now we are rally bad and we are gonna suck, woohoo!

Please. :facepalm:

You have to say the right thing for players, coaches, fans and for whoever brings money. He might overdo it a bit but then again you can't really overdo it as long as you don't pull Kahn saying your team improved, because it has a better canteen now.

Thats all fine and dandy, but saying Diaw will do fine against Howard is pretty much a slap in the face to anybody who wants to believe in this team. Cause we all know thats a complete lie.

[Proudiddy]

I also thought Jawai looked pretty good in camp last year, but IIRC, he struggled a bit because of conditioning issues.

[adam187]

I'll miss Kwame. He set good picks and it was fun seeing him get involved with a few dunks in the first few minutes of a lot of games.

[ballwhore]

They told DJ last night that they will decide wether to extend him or trade him in January depending on how the season is going but with Kwame leaving hopefully this will all change and he will be used in traded now.

[Proudiddy]

So DJ wants to be traded still? What if they offer him an extension, would he consider staying?

[ballwhore]

His first option is to be signed then after that of course it doesnt matter. I want him to be traded because I just think Charlotte is not a good fit and now with how this roster is shaping up it could be a real down season for a point guard.

[SWedd523]

But ballwhore, if DJ leaves does that mean we lose you as well?!

[Bobcat4Ever]

Will we win 15 games this season?

[DY_nasty]

Will we win 15 games this season?
Hopefully not.

But I'll bet we screw it up somehow.

[CatNation1]

Is Oakley gone forever? Would love to have him around teaching Bismack

[TheBeagle]

Sucks that we wont have a decent center now but at least we will suck even more...top 3 pick here we come! Dude, we wouldn't've had one even if Kwame had re-signed. He was pretty solid in the effort department, but let's not make out like he was anything special at all. Small arms, small hands, poor shooter, poor post scorer, decent rebounder, so-so defender against those under 7'.

With Paul and Oak's help he did work his ass off, and that is laudable considering his reputation before, and I'm happy for him that he got ridiculously overpaid, but from a skill/talent standpoint, I won't miss him in the least. His space can easily be replaced, but ultimately what you say last is most important....Top 3 Pick!

[docend24]

Docend, I'm with you on that Fesenko idea... That's the approach I'm taking, young with potential but not much experience. I just remembered this guy, but how about the big guy we had in camp with us last year? From what I remember he produced well after we cut him in the DL. He looked pretty good in limited action and really good in practice at times while he was here as well, and one of the local writers said they had no doubt he was an NBA big man. Can't remember his name...

Matt Rogers is in training camp of some other NBA team, I don't remeber which onje as I don't really care. Not available at the momment, he will probably be cut and available then.

Well, I am not against Jawai or someone else from beyond the league. I wouldn't aim for anyone older than 25 though.

[TheBeagle]

Im right there with you dude. Ive never been the type to expect and welcome losing. So its hard for me to get comfortable with this situation. I love the team so much, but we're stuck in a perpetual suck right now from management down to the team.

Im hoping our team is like me and would rather die than lose, as opposed to ready for the tank. Dude, my baseball team lost 106 games last year. One. Oh. Six. One hundred six. 50 games under .500. Fifty. Five. Oh. And will hit triple figure losses for at least the next couple seasons. We're so bad, they made us switch leagues, for crissakes! Just putting it in perspective. It could be so much worse. I mean, we were saved two months of misery thanks to the lockout, so there's that, right?

Quasi-kidding aside, if I thought the organization didn't have a plan, I'd be one morose mother at the prospects of this upcoming season and beyond, but it looks like things could, after 7 years, finally be moving the right way for us with Cho in charge, and maybe the CBA helping us/MJ out some. One thing you dont' have to worry about with young players and Paul Silas as coach, this team won't be tanking. We'll lose, but we'll lose like year one, busting our ass. I'm positive the losses will kill Kemba, but I think it'll only serve to make him all the better going forward.

Believe me, the Bobcats are no Houston (dis)Astros.

[Bobcat4Ever]

Is Oakley gone forever? Would love to have him around teaching Bismack

Not sure about forever, but wasn't he recently slated to have another back surgery?

[ND22]

What did we get for Jeremy Tyler, cash? I know he's a long shot to being any good, but at the very least he would have added depth. But that's in the past.

I would be shocked if we didn't bring in a couple centers to training camp. Every FA bigman is looking at the Bobcats right now thinking they have a legitimate chance to not only make the roster but get some playing time. There is absolutely no harm in signing minimum contract FA rookies for the sake of adding depth.

[docend24]

We got cash. Coming from Warriors fans: Tyler is far from ready.

[dav7z]

We going to sign somebody , J Mcglorie , Lexy , The old guy from the pacers who could shoot the three. Fact is KB , might of added 3 extra wins . Not worth 7 milion dollars.

[docend24]

We going to sign somebody , J Mcglorie , Lexy , The old guy from the pacers who could shoot the three. Fact is KB , might of added 3 extra wins . Not worth 7 milion dollars.

And do you mean that he is not worth that becuase 3 extra wins are too few or too many?

[teej]

Thats all fine and dandy, but saying Diaw will do fine against Howard is pretty much a slap in the face to anybody who wants to believe in this team. Cause we all know thats a complete lie.

You do realize that Diaw is the best defender this team has EVER had against D12, right? Better than Mek, better than Tyrus, better than Kwame, better than TC, Primoz, Nazr, anyone else. Now, granted, he's not been able to lock down Dwight, but he plays him pretty damned well. I can't explain it.

Also, congrats to Kwame, you just got an insanely huge amount of money that you didn't deserve. Spend it on hand enlargement. Or therapy.