What are the planet's thoughts on Ty Thomas?

[Chef]

My opinion is pretty well known, I was curious as to if there is a consensus opinion on the planet.

After watching the cats play without him, I am very confident in saying he brings very little to the table in comparison to his contract. He is more suited to a veteran or more established team. I am also confident that he is what he is at this point of his career and do not anticipate much improvement.

[JohnnyTimmons]

I would really need to see him play with this team until the allstar break, and stay healthy to determine that. And just stay healthy. With starter minutes. I dont like his contract either, but give him 30+ a game for a season without injury and i think 7 mil or whatever he gets wont b so bad. I would guezs 20 pts 9 rebs and 1.5-2 blocks would b his stat line.

[SirBobcat]

I agree with Timmons. Let's evaluate when he's able to play. If it's same shit different day, then amnesty his ass! If he doe put that kind of stat line this year, then he's a bargain at 8 million.

[cltblkhscoach]

Tyrus showed me in the preseason he can't create off the dribble, and he doesn't have a back to the basket post game. He is a pretty good mid-range jump shooter, and can be a good weakside defender. I think he doesn't fit here because we need a 4 with a post presence since Diaw is the C right now, and Biyombo is the C of the future.

He's not worth his contract I agree. He needs to play with someone who can command double teams in the post, whether it be a big or a strong 2 or 3, and we really don't have either one of those. He can have good games from time to time but he's not a budding star either. I'd trade him this season for a mid-late 1st at the deadline after showcasing him and him hopefully having some good games.

[superb1]

I would really need to see him play with this team until the allstar break, and stay healthy to determine that. And just stay healthy. With starter minutes. I dont like his contract either, but give him 30+ a game for a season without injury and i think 7 mil or whatever he gets wont b so bad. I would guezs 20 pts 9 rebs and 1.5-2 blocks would b his stat line.

I say let see what he can do when healthy and given PT. No huddles, no excuses. If he don't live up to his contract and can't stay healthy, jettison his butt, thru trade first. amnesty last choice.

[BBQNut]

I say let see what he can do when healthy and given PT. No huddles, no excuses. If he don't live up to his contract and can't stay healthy, jettison his butt, thru trade first. amnesty last choice.

agreed. he can't hurt us this season, so let's give him every chance to
be the player he can be.

[spectre]

He can't even stay healthy long enough to build up any trade stock.

That boy frustrates me in more ways than I can count. Hindsight is 20/20, but man did we screw up by letting Felton (asset) walk and giving up a frigging 1st to pay Tyrus more.

[Deadshot]

Several people in the thread have mentioned amnesty, but that was a one time thing and the date for doing that expired long ago.

[spectre]

Several people in the thread have mentioned amnesty, but that was a one time thing and the date for doing that expired long ago.

It's actually good thru the current CBA. It has an expiration date every season, but we'll have the same opportunity next year (and those following) as well. It just has to be used on a player that was on the roster when the current CBA was signed...and Tyrus would meet that criteria of course.

For the record tho I'm not a fan of amnestying Tyrus.

[Scottley Crue]

After seeing some of Biyombo, I believe he can duplicate Thomas' defensive offerings. We have other players that can hit the mid-range J (Henderson, Walker, Mullens), so I really do think his production can be replaced. Now honestly, if he was paid closer to the vet min as opposed to what he is now, I'd be a little more inclined to keep the guy. But seeing him in pre-season, I had a moment of clarity concerning him...the guy just doesn't get it and I fear he won't. He's 6'10" and has no discernible post game. He looks to shoot jumpers left and right but he's not as good at it as he thinks he is. I'd give him until near the trade deadline and see if we could jettison his salary with nothing nasty coming back. If not, amnesty is always an option, though I'd greatly prefer to get something of value in return for him.

[Wolfpackbobcat]

Tyrus was given a ridiculous contract. Thats our fault, trying to justify what we gave up for him. He gets injured way to easily and is just a better version of D. Brown. If we can get something decent, then trade him.

[Plowright]

I think we get one shot an using the amnesty clause. Those teams that have already used it, there done. We can use it next season when the date re-opens. I think everyones answer chef is going to be: Play him this year, see how he does. If he doesn't show enough trade him for the right deal (no long term contracts) or amnesty him.

[bes628]

He's got to show me something.

[JayTeeBeeTee]

Unleash the Beast! Give him more minutes when he's available. I'm sure he will be a great asset to this organization this year and going forward, if he's given enough minutes.

[ammofan]

I love Tyrus but he needs to stay healthy. That's my problem with him. I would love to see him start and play regular minutes...I think he can produce really well for us. But with that said, If we can get a guy like DH12 via trade I would definitely use TT as a trade piece. I DO NOT want to see him in any sort of salary dump or amnesty.

[BlockParty]

I'm not sure amnesty is in the cards for any Bobcat in the next 5+ years. Heck Diop proved that this fall by surviving. The notion that MJ would pay a player to leave so it frees up more cap space so he could pay another player, that's not much difference then going into the luxury tax which he has made clear is not an option until we are a championship contender.

As others have mentioned, it's time for Tyrus to put in starters minutes, numbers and durability. I think if Cho was involved in the negotiations, his contract either wouldn't have happened or would be riddled with performance triggers that protected the Bobcats (and our Cap space) if Tyrus ended up being a flop.

We certainly missed him last night. With Maggette struggling on offense, his only purpose on the floor was he was a quick (in relative terms) strong body to put in front of Lebron. We had no other options for guarding Lebron when Hendo was guarding Dwade. If Tyrus can play 30+ minutes for 80% of the games and average 14 pts, 8 rbs and 2-3 blocks he'll be market rate for his contract (non-rookie contract)...so far, he hasn't been able to do that.

[Demon DeaCat]

Truth is we don't really have a lot of options here. He is virtually untradeable right now given his contract and the fact that he hasn't stayed healthy enough to prove he's worth it. And to even consider amnestying a guy who's still owed over $30 mil at his age and with his potential would be foolish. We've got no choice but to let it play out. Personally, I think he's talented enough to play to the level of his contract and be a part of our young core moving forward. Up until he got hurt last year he was playing really well for us, but I'll admit his fragility is growing a concern.

[TheBeagle]

My opinion is pretty well known, I was curious as to if there is a consensus opinion on the planet.

After watching the cats play without him, I am very confident in saying he brings very little to the table in comparison to his contract. He is more suited to a veteran or more established team. I am also confident that he is what he is at this point of his career and do not anticipate much improvement. We've both been in the same boat in regards to Tyrus. Needless to say, I went with "trade him to the first taker" option.

That's the thing with him, he's not even remotely a game changer. We win the same with him as without him, likewise losing. As cold as it sounds, he truly doesn't make a difference. Plus, Biz has shown in just two games that you can play with energy and enthusiasm without being a loose cannon...something Tyrus hasn't and likely will never learn or understand.

I still say start him as soon as he's healthy just to make sure, but I think it's going to be same old, and if it is, I don't look for him to be back next season.

[Sik Infant]

Considering we could sign DJW on a longterm deal reasonably cheaply I'd trade Tyrus for depth at C & a backup SG on reasonable contracts.

[dav7z]

He can't even stay healthy long enough to build up any trade stock.

That boy frustrates me in more ways than I can count. Hindsight is 20/20, but man did we screw up by letting Felton (asset) walk and giving up a frigging 1st to pay Tyrus more.

Biggest mistake in our young history. NOTHING for Felton . .But as things stand now we have to give him this season to show what he can do . If he don't produce . We have to cut loses and let him walk next season.

[dav7z]

Considering we could sign DJW on a longterm deal reasonably cheaply I'd trade Tyrus for depth at C & a backup SG on reasonable contracts.

Could we even get a bad player with a good contract out of him?

BTW hes got the worst contract on the Bobcats according to this

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/gallery/Worst-contract-on-every-NBA-team-071211#photo-title=Throw%20it%20away!&photo=29960338

4th worst contract

[Plowright]

I have an article about this which i have just written. Really excited to see what you think of this one. It's a little bit out there and should be nice and controversial :D

[dav7z]

I have an article about this which i have just written. Really excited to see what you think of this one. It's a little bit out there and should be nice and controversial :D

Link ?????

[Plowright]

I have literally just written it. Im sending it to Ziggy today, look for it to be posted over the next few days

[spectre]

I will say this.

Silas saying the other day that Tyrus would have to "earn his spot" back from DJW is in my opinion just WRONG. We have a HELL of a lot of money (not to mention that pick) invested in this guy. In DJ we have what...2 million for this year?

This ain't about "fair", or who's more "deserving". If that were the case then I'd be fully behind Silas because in reality DJ does deserve the minutes. We are rebuilding however, and in doing so we must try and maximize our assets. "Fair" was so last year.

That would apply to DJ/Kemba/Smack as well IMO.

[ballwhore]

Spectre it's more about a motivation tactic and trying to get him to focus. Tyrus constantly forgets the plays when he is out there and is on a different page from everyone else most of the time.

[Sik Infant]

Could we even get a bad player with a good contract out of him?

BTW hes got the worst contract on the Bobcats according to this

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/gallery/Worst-contract-on-every-NBA-team-071211#photo-title=Throw%20it%20away!&photo=29960338

4th worst contract


I think we could definitely get a decent player on a decent contract for him at this point in time, the problem is if he sucks it up this year then we have no chance to do so....teams won't go near his contract without the perception of his high upside.

I would do something like TT/Maggette/Diop for Rashard Lewis(next year is unguaranteed) & Jordan Crawford.

20+million of the cap immediately & opens up minutes for Biz & White...Crawford can score the ball & would allow Reggie to start at SF when he comes back with Crawford & Kemba/Biyombo as our sixth & seventh men respectively.

Would Washington do it?? They may take the extra years cap hit for the upside of TT at a position of need.

Wall
Young
Vesely
Thomas
Magee

Blatche-sixth man


Kemba
Henderson
Williams
White
Diaw

Crawford-sixth man
Biyombo-seventh man


In this plan we need to trade Augustin

[spectre]

Spectre it's more about a motivation tactic and trying to get him to focus. Tyrus constantly forgets the plays when he is out there and is on a different page from everyone else most of the time.

I'd hope they would know better than me how to motivate Tyrus. Thing is tough tactics tried on him before in Chicago failed miserably.

[Marvel]

He plays like a SF, a poor sf at that. He rebounds well and he can block shots. His IQ is off the charts...literally, like where the hell? what the hell?

Worse case scenario, he keeps bricking those jumpers all season long helping improve our position in the lottery.

[Plowright]

This is my thoughts on the TT situation http://bobcatsplanet.com/wp/the-bearded-one

[spectre]

This is my thoughts on the TT situation http://bobcatsplanet.com/wp/the-bearded-one


However I believe this is WRONG.

Boom!

I said the same thing! Great minds and all that!

[Plowright]

Yes they do Spectre, i was a bit annoyed you posted my exact point before my story was sent live lol.

[spectre]

Yes they do Spectre, i was a bit annoyed you posted my exact point before my story was sent live lol.

LOL! I'd been thinking that even before Bonnell's article came out (with everyone, not just Tyrus). I don't know what compelled me to voice that just then...but oh well.

Hey, I did give you rep AND I posted in the comments section of your blog...which I very seldom do!

[Plowright]

I feel truly privileged Spectre... thank you :D

[Marvel]

Yes, nice article i agree 100% with your stance on starting TT and driving his value up.

[Ghost Kat]

Tyrus got paid and then got hurt.
I'm going to restrain my vote till he plays a game cuz I still like what he brings to this team

[Scottley Crue]

I will say this.

Silas saying the other day that Tyrus would have to "earn his spot" back from DJW is in my opinion just WRONG. We have a HELL of a lot of money (not to mention that pick) invested in this guy. In DJ we have what...2 million for this year?

This ain't about "fair", or who's more "deserving". If that were the case then I'd be fully behind Silas because in reality DJ does deserve the minutes. We are rebuilding however, and in doing so we must try and maximize our assets. "Fair" was so last year.

That would apply to DJ/Kemba/Smack as well IMO.

You are dead on 100% right with this. This season has nothing to do with winning and everything to do with seeing who is worth keeping around to help when it is time to start winning. It's all about seeing if those players you think can be major contributors can actually bear that burden in the best way possible--real, live NBA games. Once you have your answers, you can go forward. But you have to get those answers first. I think Silas may be struggling with this. He's doing his best to win games now (which, in fairness, is what a coach's focus normally should be) when the games that will really matter are coming in the future. I do wonder if the front office at some point will come to him and let him know that they need their young guys to see a lot of minutes so they can make decisions on them.

That really is a frustration of mine...the rebuild is on, so let's not do it halfway. Let the young ones learn the ropes, Paul. Not necessarily start, but get significant minutes. And due to the shortened season, it really does need to start ASAP. Or sooner, even.

[CatNation1]

dam we screwed up payin this dude

[anton273]

He hasn't shown enough to Earn his right to be a part f this rebuilding process! He needs to be traded eventually just need to figure out whether to stick by him for a year and play him or just get rid now!

[Mustachio]

I love the whole "rebuilding" discussion. haha. What exactly are we re-building? Can we just call it building from now on?