DJ or Kemba

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10 seconds left in the game, which one do you want running the show for you

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[Chef]

i voted dj. dj has played very well the first two games. he is showing confidence and is doing a good job of getting the ball to the other guys where and when they need it. (silas's sets suck ass though. would it kill us to just run pick and rolls, pick/pop and pick/dives on the ball side and off side?) they can both be on the floor at the same time, but my choice would be to let dj decide our fate whether it is a pass or a shot.

[SuperKemba]

Honestly I think even at this point kemba is better in clutch situations but I also understand why kemba is coming off the bench and DJ is starting. Kemba is no doubt a talented player but he still needs to continue to learn and grow as a player. He has to earn his minutes (yes even on a team like ours). In the end I think it'll all make kemba a better player for the long run. BTW DJ is not a bad player and this year so far he has been playing his butt off.

[ammofan]

Even tho DJ is playing quite well right now...I want Kemba taking the last shot if I have a choice. I just feel he is more clutch and able to create space and make more difficult shots than DJ right now.

[bes628]

Definitely Kemba. His whole image at this point has been built off of his clutch play.

[ohara831]

At this moment, DJ - because of experience. But by season's end, possibly Kemba. Need to see his learning curve.

[DY_nasty]

Kemba has won 1 preseason game and helped in one regular season game.

DJ has been the only consistent clutch player the Bobcats have ever had.

[superb1]

for the immediate, DJ and hopefully by season end I can say Kemba no doubt

[Plowright]

Thanks for all the feedback guys, give it a read and keep voting!

[Zoolander]

My head says DJ but by heart says Kemba. If I had no other choice I guess it'd be DJ. DJ at this time makes the best decisions with the ball.

[spectre]

Kemba has won 1 preseason game and helped in one regular season game.

DJ has been the only consistent clutch player the Bobcats have ever had.

Is that really saying a lot? From 82games (10'-11') DJ's "clutch" eFG% is .48, his FG% is 42%. Not that impressive IMO.

BTW, I don't think he's the most clutch player the Bobcats have ever had. How are you arriving at that?

In a vacuum RIGHT NOW I'd probably choose DJ but only because Kemba's logged just the two games. We're not in a vacuum however...so I'll go with Kemba all day/every day.

[Chef]

BTW, I don't think he's the most clutch player the Bobcats have ever had. How are you arriving at that?
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i was gonna ask the same question. my first inclination was felton. dude has swagger at the end of games and wanted the ball in his hands. least clutch starter i have seen had to be mek.

[Plowright]

Felton wanted it in his hands. Not sure how clutch he actually was tho...

[Scottley Crue]

Is that really saying a lot? From 82games (10'-11') DJ's "clutch" eFG% is .48, his FG% is 42%. Not that impressive IMO.

BTW, I don't think he's the most clutch player the Bobcats have ever had. How are you arriving at that?

In a vacuum RIGHT NOW I'd probably choose DJ but only because Kemba's logged just the two games. We're not in a vacuum however...so I'll go with Kemba all day/every day.

I'm with you on this, I'm not sure under what criteria DJ is the most clutch player for the 'Cats. I fully understand DJ's been in the league four years now and Kemba has a grand total of two games in, but I'm still taking Kemba 12 times out of 10. Kemba's work in college isn't unknown to those in the league...and I do believe it's respected as well.

[Boomer]

You want the guy taking the shot to have confidence. DJ has confidence issues, Kemba is known for his confidence. Give me Kemba, albeit a young player.

[dav7z]

DJ is playing great ball right now . Either DJ is planing on keeping his starting job or. is really helping his trade stock. Looking at him as just a asset we need to trade him when the right offer comes along. Because i don't think he signs with us next season .

[DY_nasty]

Is that really saying a lot? From 82games (10'-11') DJ's "clutch" eFG% is .48, his FG% is 42%. Not that impressive IMO.

BTW, I don't think he's the most clutch player the Bobcats have ever had. How are you arriving at that?

In a vacuum RIGHT NOW I'd probably choose DJ but only because Kemba's logged just the two games. We're not in a vacuum however...so I'll go with Kemba all day/every day.Dude, you can also look at who's scored the most points in the final two minutes of close games since 2006 and you'll see Vince Carter right on top of the list.

Gerald Wallace was never that offensive go-to guy late game, not consistently at least. Hero mode Felton wanted the ball - but that was a crap shoot. JAX hit big shots, but more than half the time the deficit was his fault to begin with. I'd prefer to forget JRich's time here if I could. DJ has iced more games than anyone else we ever had. Unlike any of the other guys listed, there was never a point when any Bobcats fan ever looked at a late game situation and said "oh, god - DJ has the ball. we're doomed". No, its been "DJ at line? this is money in the bank". That shot against Miami was easily the dumbest play he's ever made in a late game situation. However, that same play was all too common with JRich, Felton, Wallace, and especially Jackson.

Kemba is nice but geez. I'm not about to forget every late game situation where DJ led a comeback (most of the time with no help) just because Kemba's got a great smile and whatnot.

I'm starting to fall in with ballwhore. DJ just needs to move on to where he's actually appreciated. I expected a lot of Kemba love but wow...

[spectre]

i was gonna ask the same question. my first inclination was felton. dude has swagger at the end of games and wanted the ball in his hands. least clutch starter i have seen had to be mek.

I have a hard time finding previous years on 82games but I did look at Felton's time in Denver this past season where I don't think he did very well (maybe the NY stretch is included?)...but his "clutch" stats were better than DJ's.

...and I'm not trying to take anything away from DJ. Not being "the most clutchiest" doesn't mean I'm afraid of him being out there and taking the last shot. I just think in our situation now and going forward Kemba should be out there.

After all...isn't that what Kemba does?

[Plowright]

This is what im saying DY. Are we alienating a potentially very very good player as a fan base?

[spectre]

Dude, you can also look at who's scored the most points in the final two minutes of close games since 2006 and you'll see Vince Carter right on top of the list.

Gerald Wallace was never that offensive go-to guy late game, not consistently at least. Hero mode Felton wanted the ball - but that was a crap shoot. JAX hit big shots, but more than half the time the deficit was his fault to begin with. I'd prefer to forget JRich's time here if I could. DJ has iced more games than anyone else we ever had. Unlike any of the other guys listed, there was never a point when any Bobcats fan ever looked at a late game situation and said "oh, god - DJ has the ball. we're doomed". No, its been "DJ at line? this is money in the bank". That shot against Miami was easily the dumbest play he's ever made in a late game situation. However, that same play was all too common with JRich, Felton, Wallace, and especially Jackson.

Kemba is nice but geez. I'm not about to forget every late game situation where DJ led a comeback (most of the time with no help) just because Kemba's got a great smile and whatnot.

I'm starting to fall in with ballwhore. DJ just needs to move on to where he's actually appreciated. I expected a lot of Kemba love but wow...

Ah ok...you're going from memory. That's fine, I just didn't know where it was coming from.

Again, I'm all about the future (wasn't that what we've been sold since the Cho hire?). It has nothing to do with hating on DJ...it's about the reality of our situation.

[DY_nasty]

Ah ok...you're going from memory. That's fine, I just didn't know where it was coming from.

Again, I'm all about the future (wasn't that what we've been sold since the Cho hire?). It has nothing to do with hating on DJ...it's about the reality of our situation.
Oh I get that. I was on the tankwagon way before it was fashionable.

Just saying that I'm gonna miss DJ and he's been playing great this year. If it weren't for Diaw jacking his assists by over-passing at an almost hysterical rate this year, he'd be putting up even better #s. Also, he's yet to share the floor with Mullens and Biyombo. My only criticism of him is that he won't ignore Diop on the court. Still, DJ has done a better job penetrating and getting to the rim than I've ever seen. He's got to the rim more than Kemba has and I definitely wasn't expecting that.

[spectre]

Oh I get that. I was on the tankwagon way before it was fashionable.

Just saying that I'm gonna miss DJ and he's been playing great this year. If it weren't for Diaw jacking his assists by over-passing at an almost hysterical rate this year, he'd be putting up even better #s. Also, he's yet to share the floor with Mullens and Biyombo. My only criticism of him is that he won't ignore Diop on the court. Still, DJ has done a better job penetrating and getting to the rim than I've ever seen. He's got to the rim more than Kemba has and I definitely wasn't expecting that.

DJ has played FAR better than I expected...I'm right with ya there. Just like Felton though it took him til his 4th season to finally start showing he has the ability to lead the team. His contract year. Our owner is cheap, and add to that the hype that's came in with Kemba. One is going to make him money on a cheap contract and the other is going to want at least the MLE.

You know which way he's going to go.

I'll say something else; Kemba has shown a LOT less PG skills than I hoped he'd have coming in. If we were to move DJ today we'd suffer like hell in the W/L column, but we'd have to hope he'd come along in that regard.

As you know by driving the tankwagon doing this would ultimately help us more than fighting for the 9th position in the East. I didn't want to do this at all...but since we are I'm firmly in the shotgun seat.

[ballwhore]

You guys will eventually get your wish of Kemba trying to run the point. Sign and trade hopefully sooner than later. What kills me is how people still try to hang that "no confidence" label on DJ.(Larry Brown is gone!) There is a thing as quiet confidence. DJ has never been a raw raw look at me player guess he needs to start dancing and doing the jump chest bump after hitting shots to be described as confident or clutch; besides that is what most like to see. Anyway, he is playing to get paid and expecting to get more than the mle and that's not coming from Charlotte for certain.

[ballwhore]

The possibility of several mllions of dollars are pushing him 10 times more than Kemba Walker ever could.

[ohara831]

The possibility of several mllions of dollars are pushing him 10 times more than Kemba Walker ever could.

I really like the idea of DJ and Kemba sharing time. Kinda like the way Stewart and Williams do at RB for the Panthers. I think that would give us a pair of great PG's who would be fresh throughout the year by having worked a bit less over 82 games. But I fear that neither one could accept the idea of 24 min/game and a shared role of starting. I guess it would be too much to expect.

Thanks for the updates Ballwhore. We appreciate you keeping us updated. Tell DJ best of luck tonight taking it to the Magic! Go Cats!

[Chef]

I'll say something else; Kemba has shown a LOT less PG skills than I hoped he'd have coming in.



that is because he isn't a pg. from a pure point guard perspective, dj is many times better than kemba. just watch what happens to the offense when kemba is the primary point on the floor. it stops moving and if we don't go pick and roll at the top, most positions are down right ugly.

[stun704]

You guys will eventually get your wish of Kemba trying to run the point. Sign and trade hopefully sooner than later. What kills me is how people still try to hang that "no confidence" label on DJ.(Larry Brown is gone!) There is a thing as quiet confidence. DJ has never been a raw raw look at me player guess he needs to start dancing and doing the jump chest bump after hitting shots to be described as confident or clutch; besides that is what most like to see. Anyway, he is playing to get paid and expecting to get more than the mle and that's not coming from Charlotte for certain.
good to know hes playing for a contract and not playing for the love of the game or playing for his starting job, so after he gets his contract he'll stat playing garbage then? good riddance we don't need that type of player on this team anyway

[stun704]

DJ has played FAR better than I expected...I'm right with ya there. Just like Felton though it took him til his 4th season to finally start showing he has the ability to lead the team. His contract year. Our owner is cheap, and add to that the hype that's came in with Kemba. One is going to make him money on a cheap contract and the other is going to want at least the MLE.

You know which way he's going to go.

I'll say something else; Kemba has shown a LOT less PG skills than I hoped he'd have coming in. If we were to move DJ today we'd suffer like hell in the W/L column, but we'd have to hope he'd come along in that regard.

As you know by driving the tankwagon doing this would ultimately help us more than fighting for the 9th position in the East. I didn't want to do this at all...but since we are I'm firmly in the shotgun seat.
Kemba doesn't have the stating job, his job off the bench is to score points, Silas probably has him in the shaun livingston role like last year, once he becomes the starter he'll prove he can set up the offense and pass. remebmer we said the same thing about DJ until he was given the chance to start

[DY_nasty]

good to know hes playing for a contract and not playing for the love of the game or playing for his starting job, so after he gets his contract he'll stat playing garbage then? good riddance we don't need that type of player on this team anyway
love of the game? lol

remember when he actually won the starting job and LB buried him on the bench for his second season? Remember when he proved he could be a solid starting PG in the NBA and was one of the most efficient PGs in the league and people still gave him flak for not being Rose? Remember when the organization apologized to the man's family and said they were 'committed'?

Yeah, screw love of the game. He can love the game somewhere else where he isn't the first guy thrown under the bus.

[superb1]

Guys, It has only been two games either way. I'm actually torn. DJ has played great. I hate for him to be playing for a contract. But I don't blame him if the overall atmosphere around the organization is crowning Kemba the starter. Like someone said in this thread and I dreamed of it, A Bobcats version of Double Trouble. It was said in the beginning by Silas that they would probably play the backcourt together. I would love for DJ to stay. If Corey continues to play like he has I would not object to a lineup of Hendo, DJ and Kemba, albeit rather small. But if successful, move TT and Corey. Keep, pay and play DJ. Just MHO

[TheDorkLord]

that is because he isn't a pg. from a pure point guard perspective, dj is many times better than kemba. just watch what happens to the offense when kemba is the primary point on the floor. it stops moving and if we don't go pick and roll at the top, most positions are down right ugly.

Yep, I've noticed a big slow down in how the offense runs when Kemba is the primary point. The half court offense comes to a crawl. Hopefully that changes soon.

[superb1]

Also, at some point the team to make a decision on their PG. As far as I have known, our starting PG has not really been set. Someone has always been looking over their shoulder. Also to a point, the pg position has not been treated well either by the head coach or the FO. Why draft DJ, when we had Felton, why draft Kemba when we had DJ. In hindsight again, we should have traded the picks and drafted Paul. We need anoint the started at point and his backup, and move on.

[Plowright]

Superb, you draft the Best Player available not your needs, unless your a potential championship team, which we have never been. Also, Yes the offense is not as smooth under Kemba but lets not remember, he is new to this league, was late to training camp due to his contract. DJ has got every jump start on him there is, for him to be able to be out there and play meaningful minutes is a win right now.

[superb1]

I remember people arguing why we drafted DJ over Lopez, that was arguably a toss up and it was thought we should have Lopez. But hindsight is a b@#$%. But why this debate. If we let DJ go cuz we he is in a contract year, is Kemba doomed to face the same fate if we have no choice to draft BPA and it happens to be a point. If Kemba is the one, then set DJ free and deal with Kemba. But I'm greedy I want both, so if we have to pay DJ, do so. Gotta pay someone someday.

[SWedd523]

We took a positional approach when we decided to pick DJ instead of Lopez. That was the same offseason we gave Mek his big contract and the FO looked at it like DJ was the better "fit" because him and Ray could play together while Lopez and Mek couldn't.


Just another example of why you draft BPA and not for fit.

[spectre]

We took a positional approach when we decided to pick DJ instead of Lopez. That was the same offseason we gave Mek his big contract and the FO looked at it like DJ was the better "fit" because him and Ray could play together while Lopez and Mek couldn't.


Just another example of why you draft BPA and not for fit.

Absolutely agreed. It's bit us in the ass more times than not. I'd also throw in 9 times out of 10 you take quality over quantity.


You guys will eventually get your wish of Kemba trying to run the point. Sign and trade hopefully sooner than later. What kills me is how people still try to hang that "no confidence" label on DJ.(Larry Brown is gone!) There is a thing as quiet confidence. DJ has never been a raw raw look at me player guess he needs to start dancing and doing the jump chest bump after hitting shots to be described as confident or clutch; besides that is what most like to see. Anyway, he is playing to get paid and expecting to get more than the mle and that's not coming from Charlotte for certain.

I'll admit I've continually brought up his lack of confidence. So far this year he's proving me very wrong. I'm very happy about that. It wasn't about the chest bumps tho...it was asserting control. He's doing that so far these last couple games.

The question of course will always be whether he'll continue doing it. There are no alpha males on the team anymore so there's really no excuse.


that is because he isn't a pg. from a pure point guard perspective, dj is many times better than kemba. just watch what happens to the offense when kemba is the primary point on the floor. it stops moving and if we don't go pick and roll at the top, most positions are down right ugly.

Oh I knew he wasn't a pure PG, but so far I've not seen him playing like anything other than a SG w/ handles. I chalk a lot of that up to him being new and the coaching staff wanting him to shoot (remember back whenever Ammo would get the ball the bench would all yell "shoot"?). He's not going to look anything like a PG until he gets more time under his belt and starts playing consistently with the starters.

[stun704]

love of the game? lol

remember when he actually won the starting job and LB buried him on the bench for his second season? Remember when he proved he could be a solid starting PG in the NBA and was one of the most efficient PGs in the league and people still gave him flak for not being Rose? Remember when the organization apologized to the man's family and said they were 'committed'?

Yeah, screw love of the game. He can love the game somewhere else where he isn't the first guy thrown under the bus.
boo fucking hoo hes getting paid millions of dollars to play a game, he needs to stop being a bitch and man up if the reasons u listed causes him to be jaded

[SWedd523]

I'm going to agree with stun, but for different reasons. If he has the ability to play this well, then he should be doing it because he can, not because he wants to get a bigger deal. Effort shouldn't be a product of money.



Now I doubt that's the case, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him come back to earth to his 15/7 averages. But for the sake of the argument.

[adam187]

who do i want taking the last shot? uhhhh, duh, swagga jack!

dj has been playing lights out. he deserved to take that last shot simply because he has been playing with an edge and because he's probably our best pure shooter you can trust (fuck you matt carroll). like dy says, it's easy to forget about all the icing FTs he's hit because those aren't highlight plays. dj was playing so well the heat had to move lebron over to guard him.

i don't know why dj rushed that last second three point attempt, he was probably about to be swallowed by lebron. we should have had kemba out there, at the very least as a second option or decoy. honestly, i don't care who shoots the last shot, i just want it to be our best option, whoever is most open. that was our main problem, the heat sniffed out our play and we didn't have any fall backs. it's always going to be difficult trying to get a game winner to go in when you're being covered by an athletic beast who has at least 8 inches of height on you.

[superb1]

We took a positional approach when we decided to pick DJ instead of Lopez. That was the same offseason we gave Mek his big contract and the FO looked at it like DJ was the better "fit" because him and Ray could play together while Lopez and Mek couldn't.


Just another example of why you draft BPA and not for fit.

That's why I say pay and play DJ. He and Kemba fits and we can end our pg dilemna

[JGib23]

I love coach Silas but, his use of Kemba is killing me... Tonight Kemba didn't play great but, his time on the court is horrible, I DVR'd the game and Kemba checked in to the game at the beginning of the 2nd quarter and played a little over 8 minutes and checked out at 8:25 EST. Sat the rest of the 2nd, halftime and almost all of the third. By the time he checked back in it was 53 minutes later. Almost a fucking hour. C'mon coach Silas-

[spectre]

I agree it's ridiculous how Silas is managing the minutes.

On Kemba's play tho...I thought his first 5-6 minutes of PT was great! Not stat sheet "great", but I saw him playing like a PG. He drove thru 3 guys from the side and caught Mullens flashing down the middle (Mullens missed the shot). He was passing, moving the ball...with nothing but bench guys.

I now rescind my statement that he's been playing like a SG with handles. Remember I don't watch college ball so to me that little bit means a lot.

[Scottley Crue]

I agree it's ridiculous how Silas is managing the minutes.

On Kemba's play tho...I thought his first 5-6 minutes of PT was great! Not stat sheet "great", but I saw him playing like a PG. He drove thru 3 guys from the side and caught Mullens flashing down the middle (Mullens missed the shot). He was passing, moving the ball...with nothing but bench guys.

I now rescind my statement that he's been playing like a SG with handles. Remember I don't watch college ball so to me that little bit means a lot.

I agree about those early minutes for Kemba. He was making a concerted effort to find people on the pick & roll. He and Mullens seem to work well together in that setup (though Mullens did miss that one shot, it was a nice find by Kemba). His shot wasn't falling, but he wasn't the only one suffering that fate. Orlando is just "bad matchup city" for us.

I agree about the minutes, too, but I can see where Silas is in a tough spot. DJ is playing very well and is the incumbent. At the same time (nothing against DJ here), but Walker wasn't drafted to watch DJ play. I imagine the minutes will even out over time and Kemba will log more minutes to learn the game, but I do see how it's a tricky situation for Silas right now.

[Demon DeaCat]

I think it's hard to criticize the distribution of minutes simply because DJ's play has clearly justified the PT he's getting. He's the better player right now and should be playing more. Kemba's talent is apparent but he's got some holes in his game. I think we might be prematurely anointing him as our savior just yet. His time will come, but until it does, he's got to wait his turn like every other player in the league.

[Sik Infant]

Kemba has ice in his veins & is the guy to go to with 10 seconds left.

He should be getting more minutes already.

[CatNation1]

I sure hope they are shopping DJ hard and get this over with. DJ has played decent this season but I'm a hardcore fan and I can barely stand watching him lead this team to another crap season. Kemba playing 38 mpg would at least keep me (and most otehr people) interested in actually watching games.

[QC Thundercats]

I think DJ and Kemba are the two most clutch players on the team, and thats the biggest problem. Since they're both barely 6 feet, its a liability to have both on at the same time. You can get away with it for stretches, but would stand no chance against any team that has a normal SG with even average scoring ability. Like the first game with the Heat, Silas feared Lebron and Wade's size, and only put one midget in. I would still have DJ in, but I definitely would have had Kemba in there too, to at least act as a decoy and take a good defender with him.


I sure hope they are shopping DJ hard and get this over with. DJ has played decent this season but I'm a hardcore fan and I can barely stand watching him lead this team to another crap season.

Ultimately, I think its a foregone conclusion that DJ will be gone, either during the season or before the draft. I like DJ, he's a good player who's improved every year, he works hard, stays out of trouble. But you can't keep both him and Kemba. Like Cam Newton, Kemba is here to be the face of the franchise. He already has the highest jersey sales on the team, and people will pay for tickets just to see him. He makes us nationally relevant, and the media will always keep their eye on a former national champion/MVP. Even if at present DJ is a better player, their skills and dimensions overlap just enough. If the main thing separating them is their effect on incoming money and the value of the franchise, well, cash rules all. I'd wish DJ luck in his career, and hope he'd bring in a nice draft pick.

[TattoodCats4life]

I honestly have to say this...PG and Center are the hardest two positions to get talent at...We have a future superstar point guard, and a great PG who is playing excellent right now. Why not keep the depth if the price isn't too steep? We can't keep swapping for younger and hope for better, when you've got a great player already. I see a long term Kemba/DJ rotation. I mean Kemba/DJ isn't like Paul/Collison, so there's honestly no urgent need to trade DJ. Now if a team comes knocking with what could be a top 15 pick I'd be on that...but otherwise I'd only be looking to move Diaw for a top 20 pick and someone of value (or a top 10 pick and no one of value as long as the contract didn't suck i.e. Diop). Then again, I wouldn't mind Diaw on a 3 year 10 mil contract with 3rd year being a team option (that way we can get two years where he feels the "contract year" type pressure), as his versatility would be great (he'd be 7th man after DJ).

[Sik Infant]

The problem with keeping DJ is that he will put up numbers this year because we suck so hard & will have to pay him a mint to keep him, may as well trade him before the deadline.

[Chef]

I honestly have to say this...PG and Center are the hardest two positions to get talent at...We have a future superstar point guard, and a great PG who is playing excellent right now. Why not keep the depth if the price isn't too steep? We can't keep swapping for younger and hope for better, when you've got a great player already. I see a long term Kemba/DJ rotation. I mean Kemba/DJ isn't like Paul/Collison, so there's honestly no urgent need to trade DJ. Now if a team comes knocking with what could be a top 15 pick I'd be on that...but otherwise I'd only be looking to move Diaw for a top 20 pick and someone of value (or a top 10 pick and no one of value as long as the contract didn't suck i.e. Diop). Then again, I wouldn't mind Diaw on a 3 year 10 mil contract with 3rd year being a team option (that way we can get two years where he feels the "contract year" type pressure), as his versatility would be great (he'd be 7th man after DJ).

kemba is not a future superstar point guard. he is a future 6th man of the year and all-star.

[dav7z]

kemba is not a future superstar point guard. he is a future 6th man of the year and all-star.

Instering statement ; I have saw flashes from Kemba but nothing at all to make me think superstar or all-star on the pro court . All im seeing is him having to make tons of adjustments in his game. To me how he will adjust to the pro game will determine how good he will become. I havn't seen the Cam or MJ thing in him so far . I just don't think hes going to walk in a star . He still needs lots of burn and work.

[spectre]

kemba is not a future superstar point guard. he is a future 6th man of the year and all-star.

For a 9th pick in a supposedly weak draft I'd be ecstatic if he becomes an all star. If he becomes a 6th man then that'd be great too...because it would mean we have someone even better running the point.

Regardless of that, he is great for our needs in the present. He has hype and he's a draw. No one else on the squad can say that.

[Chef]

For a 9th pick in a supposedly weak draft I'd be ecstatic if he becomes an all star. If he becomes a 6th man then that'd be great too...because it would mean we have someone even better running the point.

Regardless of that, he is great for our needs in the present. He has hype and he's a draw. No one else on the squad can say that.

no arguments from this at all. i have seen just about all i need to determine that he isn't and won't become a great point guard in the nba. his game is not of a point guard and he isn't as explosive a scorer as rose or westbrook. he could become a great 6th man, probably a better version of jason terry.

all-star often doesn't mean the absolute best it can also mean most popular. and with kemba's personality, work ethic and grit, i could see him getting an all star nod eventually.

[CatNation1]

I think Kemba can be an all star because he has the one rare ability it takes which is the ability to almost always get a shot he likes in an iso. His crossover stepbacks are ridiculous and give him so much separation in the mid range. We've never had a player that can get a decent shot by himself on every possession.

I think its foolish for anyone to say "theye seen enough to know he wont be a great PG" considering he's only playing 20mpg with 10 of those playing at the 2 with Augustin and our teams infatuation of running the offense through Boris. He's averaging 4 assist playing like 10 mpg at actual PG.

[spectre]

no arguments from this at all. i have seen just about all i need to determine that he isn't and won't become a great point guard in the nba. his game is not of a point guard and he isn't as explosive a scorer as rose or westbrook. he could become a great 6th man, probably a better version of jason terry.

all-star often doesn't mean the absolute best it can also mean most popular. and with kemba's personality, work ethic and grit, i could see him getting an all star nod eventually.

Yeah I have to agree with CatNation on seeing enough. He had almost no training camp and Silas is giving him minimal minutes...usually with the stellar offensive lineup of Matt Carroll, Derek Brown, Mullens & Smack or Gana.

IMO it took DJ 3 1/2 seasons to show he could run a team (remember DJ averaged right around 3 assists per game his first 2 years). I don't see any way that one could determine exactly how a player will be after 4 games playing under Kemba's circumstances.

I don't see "superstar" tho.

[Chef]

I think its foolish for anyone to say "theye seen enough to know he wont be a great PG" considering he's only playing 20mpg with 10 of those playing at the 2 with Augustin and our teams infatuation of running the offense through Boris. He's averaging 4 assist playing like 10 mpg at actual PG.

maybe i went a little far on that. you make very good points. i just know that when i see a true point guard like paul, rondo, kendall marshall, a high schooler, a young kid, i instantly know it. not saying that kendall marshall or the high schooler is going to become paul or rondo, u can easily see the point guard gene though.

[Toocool]

Reminds me a bit of Russell Westbrook. Too many bad shots, not enough passing, doesn't make his teammates around him 'better.'
Does to some extent, but not really much at all.
But then I prefer a true point guard, and Kemba isn't one.

[dav7z]

maybe i went a little far on that. you make very good points. i just know that when i see a true point guard like paul, rondo, kendall marshall, a high schooler, a young kid, i instantly know it. not saying that kendall marshall or the high schooler is going to become paul or rondo, u can easily see the point guard gene though.

Im big time Carolina . But i don't see any big time skills in Marshall except passing . Hes very slow and a below average shot an i doubt he ever makes a starter in the pros. With Kemba like i said he shows flashes ,Like that pass to BJ , Big time speed , cross over and ability to iso. But only time will tell if he puts it all toghter. But hes not a instant star like a CP3 or a Rose. Its going to take time and reps. Like Spectre,, i think both rooks need quilaty burn.........

[CatNation1]

maybe i went a little far on that. you make very good points. i just know that when i see a true point guard like paul, rondo, kendall marshall, a high schooler, a young kid, i instantly know it. not saying that kendall marshall or the high schooler is going to become paul or rondo, u can easily see the point guard gene though.

Yeah he might not be a pure passer but it annoys me that we are doing these 2 pg sets AGAIN even though we saw how it hindered Raymond and DJs development (at least imo it did) as point guards. These early games are where players start developing habits and mindsets and if you put him out there at SG all the time don't be surprised when you end up with a SG. Just play DJ 30 min and shop him, play Kemba 18 at pure PG until then. Let SGs be SGs. When it comes to development I'd rather see him get 18 min at pure PG than 24 min split at 15/9 PG/SG

[Chef]

Yeah he might not be a pure passer but it annoys me that we are doing these 2 pg sets AGAIN even though we saw how it hindered Raymond and DJs development (at least imo it did) as point guards. These early games are where players start developing habits and mindsets and if you put him out there at SG all the time don't be surprised when you end up with a SG. Just play DJ 30 min and shop him, play Kemba 18 at pure PG until then. Let SGs be SGs. When it comes to development I'd rather see him get 18 min at pure PG than 24 min split at 15/9 PG/SG

couldn't agree more. email this to silas with the title "this is the plan, just do it and shut up"

[Chef]

Im big time Carolina . But i don't see any big time skills in Marshall except passing . Hes very slow and a below average shot an i doubt he ever makes a starter in the pros. With Kemba like i said he shows flashes ,Like that pass to BJ , Big time speed , cross over and ability to iso. But only time will tell if he puts it all toghter. But hes not a instant star like a CP3 or a Rose. Its going to take time and reps. Like Spectre,, i think both rooks need quilaty burn.........

he is the best passing pg i have seen in college basketball since paul and jason kidd. unfortunately, the rest of your assessment of him is dead on.

[stun704]

Kemba is a future superstar pointguard, he has the athletic gifts and has the mentality to become it, trading DJ as soon as possible for as much talent/highest pick possible would be the best decision going forward, we need to give this guy the keys ASAP, his PER 36 stats are an impressive 20/6/5/1

[DY_nasty]

boo fucking hoo hes getting paid millions of dollars to play a game, he needs to stop being a bitch and man up if the reasons u listed causes him to be jaded
How do you go from "its about love of the game" to "he's getting payed millions to play"? Pick an argument and stick to it

[skratch]

Since were talking about "kendall" id take kendall over both of them, kendall could probably make everyone better and with the right pieces, he'd definitely take the team somewhere, he'd see things on the court that neither one of them can see. I love UNC pg's. imagine kendall on one of them super teams

[Marvel]

I wish we could keep both Kemba and DJ, but that won't happen because we could never afford to keep them both.

DJ is no doubt a much much better PG than Kemba. Whether or not Kemba can develop into a real PG is up for debate. I just can't stop laughing at those who think Silas is a dumbass for not giving Kemba more PT and benching DJ when DJ's clearly been the better out of the two?!?!? WTF is that all about. Kemba has A LOT to learn especially if he wants to play PG full time in the NBA.

Personally i think Kemba and DJ can play together in the backcourt, at times for long stretches of a game. Why? Because Kemba is a very good defender and he rebounds very well for a 6'2 guy. Kemba has the ability to guard 6'4 - 6'6 SGs in this league, as long as we have capable bigs who can play tough D, defend the p&r and protect the rim.


kemba is not a future superstar point guard. he is a future 6th man of the year and all-star.

Agreed. That isn't a bad thing. It's a case of a "good problem" to have. Every contender needs that spark off the bench, for the Spurs it was Manu, for the Lakers it was Odom, for the Celtics it was Posey, for the Mavs it was Terry. Why can't we have Kemba? and keep DJ.

[Marvel]

Yeah I have to agree with CatNation on seeing enough. He had almost no training camp and Silas is giving him minimal minutes...usually with the stellar offensive lineup of Matt Carroll, Derek Brown, Mullens & Smack or Gana.

IMO it took DJ 3 1/2 seasons to show he could run a team (remember DJ averaged right around 3 assists per game his first 2 years). I don't see any way that one could determine exactly how a player will be after 4 games playing under Kemba's circumstances.

I don't see "superstar" tho.

Wasn't DJ playing SG with Felton though most of the time he was on? Correct me if i'm wrong though.

[Marvel]

good to know hes playing for a contract and not playing for the love of the game or playing for his starting job, so after he gets his contract he'll stat playing garbage then? good riddance we don't need that type of player on this team anyway

You really are starting to talk out your ass dude.

BTW as for the original question who i think should take the last shot. It depends on who has the hot hand for that game. Kemba has the ability and he has that killer instinct in him, but then again if DJ has it going that night, hmmm. Gun to my head, DJ.

[CatNation1]

Everything you guys are saying about Kemba vs DJ now is the same things you were all saying when it was Felton vs DJ and Knight vs Felton. Its obvious now that Felton and DJ are good point guards but at the time we thought we just had these crummy combo guards but thats because thats how we keep developing our PGs. We are making the same mistakes over and over and its frustrating. Walker is wasting precious early development time learning the combo guard position instead of the PG position. Next thing you know it'll be the last year of his contract and he's finally breaking his early habits and showing signs and we'll be here debating whether or not he's worth an extension with some new young PG waiting in the wings waiting to be turned into some screwed up combo guard by our franchise.

we need to COMMIT. And given the fact that no franchise would draft a PG in the top 10 when they already have a solid young PG on the roster with the intention of keeping them both, that means we need to trade DJ. Let him build up his value and pray Cho works some magic and gets us a great return so we can finally COMMIT to the PG position for once.

[spectre]

Wasn't DJ playing SG with Felton though most of the time he was on? Correct me if i'm wrong though.

You mean what you're advocating we do with our current crop?


Personally i think Kemba and DJ can play together in the backcourt, at times for long stretches of a game. Why? Because Kemba is a very good defender and he rebounds very well for a 6'2 guy. Kemba has the ability to guard 6'4 - 6'6 SGs in this league, as long as we have capable bigs who can play tough D, defend the p&r and protect the rim.

It's what Silas is wanting/trying to do. If that's what held DJ back though why in the hell would we be doing it again?

Kemba is nothing near the defender that Felton was. Kemba is pesky and and he is pretty good at staying in front of his guy...but no way do I see him being at all viable in staying in front of legit SGs. DJ is pretty much a train wreck defensively.

As CN said we've NEVER tried to develop a PG the way we're supposed to...mainly because we've always had a lack of talent. Well we're now rebuilding; we're SUPPOSED to lose. The fans know it and even the great competitor himself admitted it. We're all about "The Future". We traded our best player in franchise history to do this...yet we can't seem to give significant minutes to the only guy on the team who's generating hype regardless of us tanking.

It seems like we'll never learn.

[Demon DeaCat]

...yet we can't seem to give significant minutes to the only guy on the team who's generating hype regardless of us tanking.

This is the part I'm struggling with a little bit. What exactly has Kemba done to deserve all the hype he's getting? He's had a few nice games mixed in with a couple of duds, but nothing to convince me that he's destined to become Allen Iverson 2.0. On the other hand, you could make an argument that DJ is among the top 10 PGs in the league right now. I haven't exhaustively compared stats, but I don't think that would be a stretch based on his early season performance. I don't get why we're so eager to throw him away, especially now that he finally seems to be developing into the player we all hoped he would be 4 years ago. I'm not saying Kemba isn't the guy. I'm saying that maybe, just maybe, DJ is. I get the need for Kemba to develop, but DJ's just 24. He's still developing too. I don't want to see him traded, or have his minutes reduced or see him minimized in any way until we're absolutely sure that the PG we've all been waiting for isn't him.

[ND22]

This is the part I'm struggling with a little bit. What exactly has Kemba done to deserve all the hype he's getting? He's had a few nice games mixed in with a couple of duds, but nothing to convince me that he's destined to become Allen Iverson 2.0. On the other hand, you could make an argument that DJ is among the top 10 PGs in the league right now. I haven't exhaustively compared stats, but I don't think that would be a stretch based on his early season performance. I don't get why we're so eager to throw him away, especially now that he finally seems to be developing into the player we all hoped he would be 4 years ago. I'm not saying Kemba isn't the guy. I'm saying that maybe, just maybe, DJ is. I get the need for Kemba to develop, but DJ's just 24. He's still developing too. I don't want to see him traded, or have his minutes reduced or see him minimized in any way until we're absolutely sure that the PG we've all been waiting for isn't him.

I'm going to agree with this. Patience is needed. Its going to be a long season even if its only 66 games.

I'm also with those who say the combo guard business needs to end. I know the team is thin at the 2 but frankly DJ and Kemba shouldn't be on the floor together anyways because of their defensive liabilities. Kemba plays when DJ isn't in and vice versa. No f**king around trying to make Kemba a "combo" guard.

[superb1]

Basically, I agree with a little of everyone's argument. I don't think we expected DJ to play so well and a lot of want to say it is because it is a contract year for him. Maybe he knew Kemba would push him and he knew he had to step. Or probably it is his time. He feels it is his time to be the man. Kemba had so much hype around him and it is only 5 games in the season and we are making judgments. It depends on what we plan to do. Silas wants to win, so he coach to win. FO has it's philosophy and it is to lose to get better. DJ helps us win now and Kemba is the future. When the FO decides it is time to shut down then maybe we will see Kemba getting more, starting over DJ or DJ moved. Again I rather have both.

[spectre]

I have no clue why Kemba is so hyped, but there's no doubt it's true.

From the Bobcats' email for the CLE game:

http://image.twca-email.com/lib/ff021d72746504/m/4/GT_Preview_010312.jpg (http://click.twca-email.com/?qs=e616c84cfe0848637daf0d98c6cec4a368b45c2feab253 4bd6f95fc350ac50a5)

...yet I don't think they ever played against each other heads up!

I imagine the FO will decide one way or the other, but I'd bet money DJ's upcoming RFA status will play a big role too. The cheap route and rebuilding kind of go hand in hand.

[Plowright]

I just want to put this out there. DJ & Kemba does NOT work, Silas has tried it a few times now and it has been just awful

[CatNation1]

I don't see how DJ is playing any better now than he ever has. He looks the same to me. Some really good nights and some nights where he's invisible. Thats pretty much been DJ's M.O. since he got here

[spectre]

I do think he's passing a lot better this season so far

His lack of defense kills me tho. That's seldom up or down.

[CatNation1]

He's gotten more assists than usual but unfortunately not without a lot more turnovers than he usually gets. I'm just not seeing this supposed new and improved DJ. If this is contract year DJ being pushed by a young up and coming lottery pick fan favorite then I don't think I'm sold

[Marvel]

You mean what you're advocating we do with our current crop?


We go small, Kemba at 2, DJ at point. But that's not what i meant, my point was when LB played DJ and Felton together he played DJ at SG and Felton at point and everyone was saying that DJ was a SG in a PG body? Yeah look how that turned out.


It's what Silas is wanting/trying to do. If that's what held DJ back though why in the hell would we be doing it again?

Kemba is nothing near the defender that Felton was. Kemba is pesky and and he is pretty good at staying in front of his guy...but no way do I see him being at all viable in staying in front of legit SGs. DJ is pretty much a train wreck defensively.

As CN said we've NEVER tried to develop a PG the way we're supposed to...mainly because we've always had a lack of talent. Well we're now rebuilding; we're SUPPOSED to lose. The fans know it and even the great competitor himself admitted it. We're all about "The Future". We traded our best player in franchise history to do this...yet we can't seem to give significant minutes to the only guy on the team who's generating hype regardless of us tanking.

It seems like we'll never learn.


Kemba is a fine defender, he's only played what 4-5 games and he's already showing he can hold it down on the defensive end. Is that not what Silas brings him on for at times. I'm not comparing him to Felton as a defender, but i do think he can become the defender Felton was, or even better.

[spectre]

We go small, Kemba at 2, DJ at point. But that's not what i meant, my point was when LB played DJ and Felton together he played DJ at SG and Felton at point and everyone was saying that DJ was a SG in a PG body? Yeah look how that turned out.

Why would it turn out any differently this time around? I guess I'm not getting to your conclusion...apologies.


Kemba is a fine defender, he's only played what 4-5 games and he's already showing he can hold it down on the defensive end. Is that not what Silas brings him on for at times. I'm not comparing him to Felton as a defender, but i do think he can become the defender Felton was, or even better.

Felton had the bulk/girth to hold his own with guys trying to post him up, that's why I don't think Kemba will ever be able to guard SGs like he did/does. Kemba is footspeed fast as hell and he has (from my eyes) pretty darn good lateral movement, which IMO is exactly the type of defender you want going up against PGs, esp. with the way the rules are now.

Silas might have brought him in for defense but it never occurred to me if/when he did. Of course I'm having a hard time figuring out Silas' rotations in general.

[Marvel]

Yeah I have to agree with CatNation on seeing enough. He had almost no training camp and Silas is giving him minimal minutes...usually with the stellar offensive lineup of Matt Carroll, Derek Brown, Mullens & Smack or Gana.

IMO it took DJ 3 1/2 seasons to show he could run a team (remember DJ averaged right around 3 assists per game his first 2 years). I don't see any way that one could determine exactly how a player will be after 4 games playing under Kemba's circumstances.

I don't see "superstar" tho.

This is the post i'm referring to Spec. You said it took DJ 3 years to learn how to run an offense/team. Most of that time he was playing SG with Felton running point. If it took DJ 3 years to learn how to run a team, how on earth do we come to the conclusion that Kemba will manage to run a team in only a 3rd of that time - a year.

[dav7z]

Lots of Kemba love still . With a game like he had last night im very surprized at thease post . To me Kemba is playing to fast rushing shots big time . He seems to have lost some comfidence in his abilitys on isos. Some of it could be playing garbage mins . And not starting may be a bigger adjustment we thought . Season is still young and i still belive the kid has the skills.

But i am getting concerned about Salis and how hes handling thease kids.

[adam187]

I'm trying to be optimistic. Kemba needs games like last night with Cleveland. Hopefully he'll learn from what happened and also use it as motivation. It looks like he tries to do too much on offense. Hopefully he can get the other guys a little bit more involved. He has the ability to get deep into the lane and also causes problems with the pick n roll because he can kill you either with the open jumper or driving ability - he needs to be able to hit the open man with the ball though when the defense plays him hard off those screens. Same with finding the open man when he gets into the lane and a big comes over to help defend (DJ seems to have this problem a lot too).

[spectre]

This is the post i'm referring to Spec. You said it took DJ 3 years to learn how to run an offense/team. Most of that time he was playing SG with Felton running point. If it took DJ 3 years to learn how to run a team, how on earth do we come to the conclusion that Kemba will manage to run a team in only a 3rd of that time - a year.

Right, but on the flip side couldn't we assume (ASS_U_ME :biggrin: ) that if we did to Kemba what we did to both Felton & DJ might it not take the same amount of time before Kemba starts to "get it" in terms of running a team?

As it is right now I have no assumptions that Kemba will be able to. I'm afraid that by staying with the status quo we'll have the exact same issues.

...and like I've been saying throughout; our rebuilding, DJ's RFA status, Kemba on a rook deal & the hype he's for some reason bringing screams to me that we need to go all in with the guy.

I wish we'd have done it with Felton and if he was out of our plans we should have done it with DJ. IMO we have to stop else we'll put yet another player back 3 years.

BTW Marvel, good to see you back. You've been missed.

[Chef]

Right, but on the flip side couldn't we assume (ASS_U_ME :biggrin: ) that if we did to Kemba what we did to both Felton & DJ might it not take the same amount of time before Kemba starts to "get it" in terms of running a team?

As it is right now I have no assumptions that Kemba will be able to. I'm afraid that by staying with the status quo we'll have the exact same issues.

...and like I've been saying throughout; our rebuilding, DJ's RFA status, Kemba on a rook deal & the hype he's for some reason bringing screams to me that we need to go all in with the guy.

I wish we'd have done it with Felton and if he was out of our plans we should have done it with DJ. IMO we have to stop else we'll put yet another player back 3 years.

BTW Marvel, good to see you back. You've been missed.

there is a big difference from a gentle coach like silas limited his minutes and playing him at multiple positions than larry brown skull fu_king you with his cold stare while beating your fragile rookie confidence to a bloody pulp.

[spectre]

I'm trying to be optimistic. Kemba needs games like last night with Cleveland. Hopefully he'll learn from what happened and also use it as motivation. It looks like he tries to do too much on offense. Hopefully he can get the other guys a little bit more involved. He has the ability to get deep into the lane and also causes problems with the pick n roll because he can kill you either with the open jumper or driving ability - he needs to be able to hit the open man with the ball though when the defense plays him hard off those screens. Same with finding the open man when he gets into the lane and a big comes over to help defend (DJ seems to have this problem a lot too).

It's hard not to analize the hell out of these first few games and I do it as well...but he's had no training camp to speak of and Silas' rotations have really been whacked. I also have to imagine it's a bigtime adjustment for him just coming in off the bench. Being as how we're expecting him to play the hardest position there is to learn in the NBA it's going to take time.

Heh...I remember not so long ago Felton looked like a top 5 PG after the start of a season or two playing with us. He's still a good PG IMO...but nowhere near as good as that.

[spectre]

there is a big difference from a gentle coach like silas limited his minutes and playing him at multiple positions than larry brown skull fu_king you with his cold stare while beating your fragile rookie confidence to a bloody pulp.

True...but Felton went thru it under "just play hard" Bernie Bickerstaff. Very similar results don't you think?

Besides...didn't DJ just give credit to LB the other night for his growing into a PG? I didn't personally hear it, but I coulda swore someone said it in the chat.

"What doesn't kill me just makes me stronger."

I dunno. All these guys are different. I'd just like to try something a little different, esp. given our situation.

[ballwhore]

You guys are quite the impatient bunch. You know DJ is going to be gone if for no other reasons because of salary it doesn't matter if he averages 25 & 15 and the Bocats win 30 plus games. He will be gone. Right now Kemba coming off of the bench gives the crowd anticipation anyway. Why killed that by starting him and delegating DJ to the bench and killing his value? There still is this thing called practice and the day Kemba starts kicking DJ aZZ in practice and showing he can run the team then you leave the coach with no choice but to start him. He knows one speed right now GO Fast. He'll get his turn soon enough and hopefully it's everything you ever dreamed of KEMBA the POINT GOD pun intended

[spectre]

You guys are quite the impatient bunch. You know DJ is going to be gone if for no other reasons because of salary it doesn't matter if he averages 25 & 15 and the Bocats win 30 plus games. He will be gone. Right now Kemba coming off of the bench gives the crowd anticipation anyway. Why killed that by starting him and delegating DJ to the bench and killing his value? There still is this thing called practice and the day Kemba starts kicking DJ aZZ in practice and showing he can run the team then you leave the coach with no choice but to start him. He knows one speed right now GO Fast. He'll get his turn soon enough and hopefully it's everything you ever dreamed of KEMBA the POINT GOD pun intended

I wouldn't bench DJ and start Kemba...given the status quo I'd just be giving Kemba more minutes. Hopefully I didn't say that anywhere because that's not where I'm at. I have been saying we should TRADE DJ as soon as possible because I agree he's gone because of money (and other things I've laid out).

And FWIW I have no confidence Kemba is going to be this Point God you speak of. He might never reach the level that DJ is right now. I do think we'll never know until we're in the exact situation 3 years time unless we give him the burn.

[ballwhore]

The whole handling of point guards by Charlotte is bullsh#t. How can you even establish any cohesion when you play with a different group every year. Hopefully, Kemba gets and keeps a solid base to play with and can only help.

[dav7z]

The whole handling of point guards by Charlotte is bullsh#t. How can you even establish any cohesion when you play with a different group every year. Hopefully, Kemba gets and keeps a solid base to play with and can only help.
First Felton then DJ now Kemba . Felton should have started and got that burn from the start . DJ all so . Both are starting points in this league and both slowed down in devolpment by management . DJ should have never been drafted with Felton just starting to come on . And Kemba gets drafted when DJ starts coming on . After trades last season one would have thought our only core was DJ and Hendo . All of us was sure we was drafting a s/f . Then management drafted Kemba to start another cycle at the point position. Both players isn't going to be core one is going to go . Kemba being the new big thing puts DJ on the back burner so DJ has to go . Right now we have no idea who will turn out the best of the three. Management really didn't give any enough time to devolope.

[spectre]

Hey Ballwhore...I've seen Raptors' fans say on the RGM Trade Board that they might try and give DJ an offer sheet we wouldn't match this offseason since they have a lot of space. How would DJ feel about moving to Canada? I imagine if enough money is thrown at him (or anyone for that matter) little things like cold weather wouldn't really seem like that big of a deal.

This would BTW be my worst nightmare...letting DJ walk for nothing.

[ballwhore]

Everybody was f#cking shocked. I mean Portland called saying they are taking him. My wife calls back to Houston from the draft saying Portland is taking him and then the d@mn bobcats a team he didn't even work out for that has a poiont guard in place drafts him. Not puzzling it all it's happening all over again. It starts from the top. Jordan and Higgins still have the reigns over Cho so I don't expect any wiser decisions. Charlotte is like the d plus-league developing players for other teams.

[ballwhore]

We just had this conversation Saturday (me and my father in law) that is the one thing everyone dreads; playing in Canada or Utah but just because we dread it we both can see it happen just to spite us. Everyone just wants to see winning basketball and a chance for him to play with a solid group of the same people for a couple of years but when the money calls what do you do............:funkybanana::funkybanana::funkybana na::funkybanana:even in Utah or Canada. To answer the question though..lmao DJ doesn't care just wants to get paid and ball.

[superb1]

First Felton then DJ now Kemba . Felton should have started and got that burn from the start . DJ all so . Both are starting points in this league and both slowed down in devolpment by management . DJ should have never been drafted with Felton just starting to come on . And Kemba gets drafted when DJ starts coming on . After trades last season one would have thought our only core was DJ and Hendo . All of us was sure we was drafting a s/f . Then management drafted Kemba to start another cycle at the point position. Both players isn't going to be core one is going to go . Kemba being the new big thing puts DJ on the back burner so DJ has to go . Right now we have no idea who will turn out the best of the three. Management really didn't give any enough time to devolope.

I thought that since we had DJ and with Felton's RFA status, we had our PG and we were going to draft maybe K. Leonard. And build the core that way. Don't get me wrong I like the pick of Walker but yes, they were doing it again. Now to DJ. One day they must settle the PG spot and move on. There are other spots of need, can't keep going after points. I would havve been happy with B. Lopez.


The whole handling of point guards by Charlotte is bullsh#t. How can you even establish any cohesion when you play with a different group every year. Hopefully, Kemba gets and keeps a solid base to play with and can only help.

I totally agree, hopefully we will settle on Kemba and move on. But again, I rather pay DJ and develop Kemba, I don't see him ready yet, especially after 5 games. If we are planning on tanking, then trade DJ and tank with Kemba.

[Chef]

We just had this conversation Saturday (me and my father in law) that is the one thing everyone dreads; playing in Canada or Utah but just because we dread it we both can see it happen just to spite us. Everyone just wants to see winning basketball and a chance for him to play with a solid group of the same people for a couple of years but when the money calls what do you do............:funkybanana::funkybanana::funkybana na::funkybanana:even in Utah or Canada. To answer the question though..lmao DJ doesn't care just wants to get paid and ball.

aside from a general lack of black people or cajan cuisine, why the aversion to utah. if he starts and they are winner and he gets paid, why not?

[Marvel]

Right, but on the flip side couldn't we assume (ASS_U_ME :biggrin: ) that if we did to Kemba what we did to both Felton & DJ might it not take the same amount of time before Kemba starts to "get it" in terms of running a team?

As it is right now I have no assumptions that Kemba will be able to. I'm afraid that by staying with the status quo we'll have the exact same issues.

...and like I've been saying throughout; our rebuilding, DJ's RFA status, Kemba on a rook deal & the hype he's for some reason bringing screams to me that we need to go all in with the guy.

I wish we'd have done it with Felton and if he was out of our plans we should have done it with DJ. IMO we have to stop else we'll put yet another player back 3 years.

BTW Marvel, good to see you back. You've been missed.

It was that lockout. Out of all the posters here and on RealGM i respect you the most.

It's sort of fucked up we have to go through this AGAIN and i will in no way be against trading DJ, because i believe like you pointed out, we can't afford to have this happen AGAIN with our current situation at PG. I say DO SOMETHING NOW, or soon because one of the 2 - DJ or Kemba(i believe it will be DJ) will be traded.

At the time of the draft i was against selecting Kemba because we already had DJ, but i was excited when we drafted him, don't know why, i guess i thought he could settle into a 6th man role.

I mean all this ridiculous amount of hype behind Kemba can't all be for him being our 6th man candidate year in, year out.

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someone must read this board dont think DJ and Kemba played togetherfor a second. bout time..

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To answer the question, Hendo. He's more clutch than anyone on this team.

As far as DJ vs. Kemba and the management of it, you can't expect a guy like Kemba, who played "Kobe" for UConn, to come in and run the point in his first 6 games in the NBA. Also, gotta keep up DJ's trade value. This won't last the entire season. Kemba will play, but let him adjust to a new role first, jeez.