hey dj keep playin that song...

[Chef]

this is absolutely going to draw some arguments and may even go against some of the things i have written in the past but...

if dj continues to play with aggression and command of the team i am advocating for giving him the extension. the next few drafts do not appear to be favorable for point guards and i think dj will be far better than anything we can draft or get here in FA.

i think dj is a much better pg than kemba and have no problem bringing kemba up as an off the bench scorer for the first years of his rookie contract. dj's extension would be for 4 years and would allow us to really find out if kemba can start successfully as a pg.

the big question is will he sign in the 5-6 mil range? i disagree with bw that other teams out there will offer him higher but there are a few teams out there with cap space and a need for a pg that could potentially. it all comes down to if he feels too discouraged by the start of his career with the bobcats.

[stun704]

this is absolutely going to draw some arguments and may even go against some of the things i have written in the past but...

if dj continues to play with aggression and command of the team i am advocating for giving him the extension. the next few drafts do not appear to be favorable for point guards and i think dj will be far better than anything we can draft or get here in FA.

i think dj is a much better pg than kemba and have no problem bringing kemba up as an off the bench scorer for the first years of his rookie contract. dj's extension would be for 4 years and would allow us to really find out if kemba can start successfully as a pg.

the big question is will he sign in the 5-6 mil range? i disagree with bw that other teams out there will offer him higher but there are a few teams out there with cap space and a need for a pg that could potentially. it all comes down to if he feels too discouraged by the start of his career with the bobcats.Weren't you hating on DJ last year? it seems like you just hate on whatever is popular and love voicing the unpopular opinion, why the hell should we extend DJ when we just drafted a point guard? Kemba has higher upside and doesn't shrink in the 4th, Yes DJ puts up good numbers in the first 3 quarters but he simply is not a closer. We should trade DJ while his value is high, DJ is a great PG, but i'm not so sure hes not just playing up in a contract year like Ballwhore said.

[ammofan]

DJ is playing very well but I think the only thing he has a true impact on is the stat sheet. I feel a different energy around the team when Kemba enters the game and he always makes an impact even when not hitting his shot.

At this point I feel like Kemba is just as good as DJ as far and being able to score. Tonight DJ played 41 mins and only scored 2 more points than Kemba who played 27 mins. I think he can run the offense just fine, but he's just feeling things out still. He's only a rookie, but he's a very good rookie. He has way too much talent to just sit on the bench. And especially sit on the bench while a guy like DJ is on the floor. If it was CP3 or something...of course Kemba off the bench would be great...but him sitting behind DJ makes me uneasy.

[CatNation1]

Resigning DJ right after drafting a PG in the lottery just doesnt make sense. Let him keep playing like this for a couple weeks and get us a couple draft picks, hope Boris expiring can get us some value. Maybe we'd have enough to trade up again and have 2 picks in the lottery with 1 in the top 3-5. we'd really be on our way then.

[ND22]

DJ is playing very well but I think the only thing he has a true impact on is the stat sheet. I feel a different energy around the team when Kemba enters the game and he always makes an impact even when not hitting his shot.

At this point I feel like Kemba is just as good as DJ as far and being able to score. Tonight DJ played 41 mins and only scored 2 more points than Kemba who played 27 mins. I think he can run the offense just fine, but he's just feeling things out still. He's only a rookie, but he's a very good rookie. He has way too much talent to just sit on the bench. And especially sit on the bench while a guy like DJ is on the floor. If it was CP3 or something...of course Kemba off the bench would be great...but him sitting behind DJ makes me uneasy.

He also had 10 more assists.

Augustin has been arguably our best player this year. He's better than Kemba right now. I'm not sold on resigning him just yet, but you can't make the argument that he's only contributing on the stat sheet.

That "energy" you feel when Kemba comes in? Its called a spark off the bench, and the Mavericks have used it with Jason Terry for a few years now.

[superb1]

I think the logjam @ PF when everyone is back will force us to package DJ and Diaw for a trade. I feel it will happen soon especially if TT can return and play.

[DY_nasty]

Dj is the most valuable and available point guard on the market for a bunch of reasons. No point guards in the draft worth mentioning, cheaper than most upper-mid tier point guards even with a new deal, young, able to stretch a defense, been playing in a slow ass scrub system his entire career - most teams will think he'll blow up given the right pieces surrounding him...

He's never going to be more valuable than he is right now. Just hope Cho plays his cards right.

[Dcarnys]

This is tougher then I thought. During draft time and leading up to the season I was all aboard the "DJ is temporary" train (I was even all for the whole send DJ to New Jersey for Devin Harris last off season). So far DJ has played above and beyond the call of duty this season and in my opinion is playing all-star caliber basketball. Getting DJ to play more as a traditional PG and having Kemba be a AI type player would be a good idea to me. Kemba is that athletic player with a amazing mid-rage game and a up and coming 3pt shot. Then what would we do with Hendo??? This is a tough call and fourtantly for the first time in Bobcats history, I think they're going to make the right call, whatever that is.

[DY_nasty]

This is tougher then I thought. During draft time and leading up to the season I was all aboard the "DJ is temporary" train (I was even all for the whole send DJ to New Jersey for Devin Harris last off season). So far DJ has played above and beyond the call of duty this season and in my opinion is playing all-star caliber basketball. Getting DJ to play more as a traditional PG and having Kemba be a AI type player would be a good idea to me. Kemba is that athletic player with a amazing mid-rage game and a up and coming 3pt shot. Then what would we do with Hendo??? This is a tough call and fourtantly for the first time in Bobcats history, I think they're going to make the right call, whatever that is.
There's no rule saying we can't have all 3

[Demon DeaCat]

There's no rule saying we can't have all 3

Amen. There's absoluetly no reason we should feel compelled to trade DJ just because we have Kemba. As I said in another thread, DJ has finally evolved into the effective scoring pg we need. Why trade him? Where's the downside in extending him? We have $11 mil coming off the books this year and another $24 mil coming off next year. We'll have plenty of cap space to resign DJ to a reasonable offer and still be in a position to sign a FA in the next couple of years, provided one was willing to come here. I strongly believe DJ is worth more to us that the middling first round pick we might get for him in a trade.

[ballwhore]

First off my comments were not intended to say he is just playing hard for a contract. No one on here can ever say they saw DJ dog it out there ever! This is a different year he truly has the reigns Jack & Gerald are gone he has been giving a chance to really break out. All this about not being clutch in the fourth all I see is DJ driving hitting shots or shooting free throws. That 4th quarter sh#t is no more. Some of you commenting can't be watching these games. Hell go back and read game stories. As far as feeling a different energy that sh#t will be gone if or when Kemba starts. Then you'll feel the energy or lack there of the next guy brings coming off the bench. There is no way in hell DJ will Sign for less than 7 per. Barrera got 5 per...Stuckey 8....Lowery 7 plus not to mention Connely. The talk of the new CBA is mostly cutting money on the non rotation guys the days of 4-5 million for the 7-8 guy in the rotation are over. His true impact is only on the stat sheet? Really? Those lobs and set ups of players don't count either. You guys kill me on here hell look at the +/-. it says Kemba is filling up the stat sheet and not positively effecting the game that's documented. He got better swag and flash though plus he is a damn two guard use to shooting more than Kobe so he should be a volume scorer off the bench that can get more or close to more points that the guy on the floor running the team with TEN TIMES more assists because he is getting other people involved.

[superb1]

There's no rule saying we can't have all 3

According to some of us here there must be one. agreed, why do we have to trade DJ.


First off my comments were not intended to say he is just playing hard for a contract. No one on here can ever say they saw DJ dog it out there ever! This is a different year he truly has the reigns Jack & Gerald are gone he has been giving a chance to really break out. All this about not being clutch in the fourth all I see is DJ driving hitting shots or shooting free throws. That 4th quarter sh#t is no more. Some of you commenting can't be watching these games. Hell go back and read game stories. As far as feeling a different energy that sh#t will be gone if or when Kemba starts. Then you'll feel the energy or lack there of the next guy brings coming off the bench. There is no way in hell DJ will Sign for less than 7 per. Barrera got 5 per...Stuckey 8....Lowery 7 plus not to mention Connely. The talk of the new CBA is mostly cutting money on the non rotation guys the days of 4-5 million for the 7-8 guy in the rotation are over. His true impact is only on the stat sheet? Really? Those lobs and set ups of players don't count either. You guys kill me on here hell look at the +/-. it says Kemba is filling up the stat sheet and not positively effecting the game that's documented. He got better swag and flash though plus he is a damn two guard use to shooting more than Kobe so he should be a volume scorer off the bench that can get more or close to more points that the guy on the floor running the team with TEN TIMES more assists because he is getting other people involved.

There is money to sign him to sign and FO need to do that. TT got 7 and has not live up to it yet. DJ seems to be damn if he does, damn if he doesn't everyday he plays here. FO better get their heads out of their a55e5 and extent DJ. this is the move that they need Cho to make. just build through the draft, keep the guys you develop and stop drafting player to let them get away. BW I agree that ppl are so ready to anoint Kemba they are looking past what DJ really does.

[Plowright]

If DJ kept playing this way i would have no problem giving him 7 million for 3 years. I don't see why in the long rung we cant just do what were doing right now. Have 2 fucking good guards. You have to think at some point these guys will get injured as well, how great will it be having dj or Kemba coming off the bench. I just dont see how we can trade DJ away so easily when he is finally having the type of year we all wanted him to have

[Chef]

Weren't you hating on DJ last year? it seems like you just hate on whatever is popular and love voicing the unpopular opinion, why the hell should we extend DJ when we just drafted a point guard? Kemba has higher upside and doesn't shrink in the 4th, Yes DJ puts up good numbers in the first 3 quarters but he simply is not a closer. We should trade DJ while his value is high, DJ is a great PG, but i'm not so sure hes not just playing up in a contract year like Ballwhore said.

i expected some arguments and am glad we have some good posts on this thread, but i feel that this is not true in the least. i would like for you and anyone else to give me some examples of where you feel i "hate on the popular opinion and love the unpopular" without providing clear objective reasons for my opinion my opinions are formed from watching the games and making judgements based on overall performance. i am not a typical fan in that my opinion are not based on my love of the bobcats. if a player's performance/body of work changes my opinions change. dj's play is drastically different this year than in any other year. for the first time in his career with the bobcats's it is apparent that he knows this is his team and not just as a starting pg but as the guy who commands the game flow. last year it was jack. say what you want about silas and his rotations but this is the first coach that has allowed dj to play his game and not in fear of getting benched.

i also said if dj has also showed inconsistency thus far in his career but the team dynamic leads me to conclude that this year barring injury things will be different. the spacing on the floor is so much better without jax (or mags..please keep him out) clogging things up. mullens, diaw and dj white really open up the middle of the floor and allow dj to create off of dribbles and cutters.

those of you saying kemba is the spark and the scorer are proving my point. kemba is best used right now as the super sixth man role. he is a volume shooter with an inconsistent 3 ball. not nearly as effective as the starting pg. but he is also a rookie and showing incredible promise. i have seen many pg's play and from an objective point of view kemba does not have the dna to be a pg. dj absolutely does.

with that said i am not sure i would be on board for 7-8 mil per. i could definitely be talked into 6-7 mil but due to his inconsistent play, whether it is his fault or not, it is (in my view) incredibly risky to pay him that much based on a 1 season of really good play.

[spectre]

I agree some are selling DJ pretty short right now (no pun intended). The way he's playing offensively vs what we've seen in years past is pretty remarkable...we've never seen DJ playing with the confidence he has right now.

+/- is a bullshit stat. It's too heavily weighed by who you're on the court with/the matchups the coaches decide to go with. DJ has had a worse +/- line in at least 3 of the past 5-6 games than Kemba (he had the worst in the 2nd Heat game) and IMO it doesn't mean anything.

The first year or two it was argued on here whether or not DJ was a PG or a SG in a PG's body (remember him averaging 3 APG his first 2 years?). Kemba's 1st 8 games is no basis for a conclusion like that. Hell, I've never really seen him play til the pros and I think he's distributing pretty darn well for a supposedly "shoot first" PG...esp. considering who he's played with early on. Given offensive tools (Mullens mainly) he's shown plenty of willingness to pass.

Is it me or is DJ starting to look to anyone else like Jose Caleron? Careful with the ball, starting to be good at finding the open man, excellent outside shot...but absolutely sucks at man D?

I think NOLA will make a solid offer for DJ, but I also see Toronto offering him upwards of 8-9 million per this offseason. They know they have to overpay to get guys (see Kapono, Evans, offer to Salmons, etc.) and they desperately need a young PG. Jazz are going to bidding too...I'm pretty sure all have mega cap room this offseason, there's no decent PGs in the draft and none really to trade for. DJ is going to be a hot commodity.

You guys willing to match all that? I'm know I'm not.

As DY said he is probably at his peak in terms of value right now, esp. with his RFA status. A smart GM would see that and cash in.

[spectre]

those of you saying kemba is the spark and the scorer are proving my point. kemba is best used right now as the super sixth man role. he is a volume shooter with an inconsistent 3 ball. not nearly as effective as the starting pg. but he is also a rookie and showing incredible promise. i have seen many pg's play and from an objective point of view kemba does not have the dna to be a pg. dj absolutely does.

Interestingly enough...Kemba & DJ's shooting %s are almost exactly the same from 2 & 3...40% vs 41% & 37% vs 37%. It's such a SMALL sample size tho. It's way too early to form conclusions about Kemba or DJ right now, esp. considering we had no training camp and all the new guys that's come in.

I do know I hate that frigging zone with 2 PGs. I don't need a bigger sample size for that conclusion.

Edit:

Another interesting "fact": DJ's 1st season Per 36 assists per game was 4.7. Kemba's right now is 5.5 per 36.

But again...SMALL SAMPLE SIZE.

[ballwhore]

zone with the both of them sucked...they both played too far off needs way more work and everybody rotated to their zone like they had on concrete boots..Anyway, there is another game tonight we'll get another sample...Vote no to N-O

[spectre]

zone with the both of them sucked...they both played too far off needs way more work and everybody rotated to their zone like they had on concrete boots..Anyway, there is another game tonight we'll get another sample...Vote no to N-O

I wouldn't say the breakdown on the zone was all the 2 guards fault...our bigs have no idea how to rotate/cover for them at all.

It was just a train wreck all the way around.

[ballwhore]

Yeah that's what I meant by they rotated like concrete the bigs...Hopefully they work at it during shoot around because it can be effective.

[Demon DeaCat]

I think NOLA will make a solid offer for DJ, but I also see Toronto offering him upwards of 8-9 million per this offseason. They know they have to overpay to get guys (see Kapono, Evans, offer to Salmons, etc.) and they desperately need a young PG. Jazz are going to bidding too...I'm pretty sure all have mega cap room this offseason, there's no decent PGs in the draft and none really to trade for. DJ is going to be a hot commodity.

You guys willing to match all that? I'm know I'm not.

As DY said he is probably at his peak in terms of value right now, esp. with his RFA status. A smart GM would see that and cash in.

I'm admittedly being lazy because I could look this up, but what is the window for us to offer DJ an extension? During the season? After July 1? I agree that if we allow him to become an RFA we'd be inviting competitors who may well out bid us. But that's all the more reason it seems to make sense for us to offer an extension before we get to that point. If we made him a fair offer in the $7mil range I think it's a good chance he'd take it.

[Chef]

Interestingly enough...Kemba & DJ's shooting %s are almost exactly the same from 2 & 3...40% vs 41% & 37% vs 37%. It's such a SMALL sample size tho. It's way too early to form conclusions about Kemba or DJ right now, esp. considering we had no training camp and all the new guys that's come in.

I do know I hate that frigging zone with 2 PGs. I don't need a bigger sample size for that conclusion.

Edit:

Another interesting "fact": DJ's 1st season Per 36 assists per game was 4.7. Kemba's right now is 5.5 per 36.

But again...SMALL SAMPLE SIZE.

not sure if this is statistically significant or not but dj's avg att/makes for 2 and 3 are 5.7-13.9 and 1.9-5.0 vs kemba's of 3.7-9.3 and 1.0-2.7 so basically they shoot the same % but dj gets more and makes more shots for both. again, not sure if it is stat sig but the 3 pt shot looks like it could be. dj is basically 2 for 5 each game where kemba only shoots about 2.5 threes per game.

but your point is taken that the sample size is probably too little right now. but i would expect the 2 pt fg to stay closer alot longer than the three pt fg. kemba's midrange game is very impressive for a rook.

[DY_nasty]

We don't need to rush to sign him either.

[spectre]

I'm admittedly being lazy because I could look this up, but what is the window for us to offer DJ an extension? During the season? After July 1? I agree that if we allow him to become an RFA we'd be inviting competitors who may well out bid us. But that's all the more reason it seems to make sense for us to offer an extension before we get to that point. If we made him a fair offer in the $7mil range I think it's a good chance he'd take it.

It's not that easy to find.

How last-minute extensions for Al Horford and others compare to recent deals (http://blog.oregonlive.com/nba/2010/11/nba_high-5_79.html)

Last year sans lockout it appears to have been November 1st for 2007 rooks. They might have extended it this year, but if it hasn't already expired it has to be fairly close.

Maybe BH knows?

Chef...that's it for me in a nutshell. We're comparing a vet with over 3 seasons of experience against a guy who's played 8 games with about 10 days of training camp. Right now I think Kemba is way ahead of where DJ was...but the sample size is just way too small to tell.

There are a bunch of guys with absurd PER right now as an example. Caleron is near 22! I'm loving the good play from a lot of our guys, but odds are most if not all are going to drop off.

[CatNation1]

lol I don't get how everyone is sold on DJ all of a sudden cause a couple good games. He's never been bad, he's just inconsistent as hell, disappears in the 4th etc. I still see all the problems of before, except this season we are playing in a much friendlier system for assist numbers. almost everyone getting minutes right now loves the catch and shoot game

[DY_nasty]

lol I don't get how everyone is sold on DJ all of a sudden cause a couple good games. He's never been bad, he's just inconsistent as hell, disappears in the 4th etc. I still see all the problems of before, except this season we are playing in a much friendlier system for assist numbers. almost everyone getting minutes right now loves the catch and shoot gameHe played just fine last season. Especially for a pass first point guard with no one to pass to.

I don't know how anyone says he disappears in the 4th either. Thats just flatout wrong... whether he's icing games from the FT line or wrestling the ball away from a guy twice his size - he's there. Give him credit where its due.

[Marvel]

There's no rule saying we can't have all 3

Hell yes. Why is everyone so scared of having these assets? I think everyone's getting carried away with the new car smell. There are currently few quality PGs available right now in the draft and on the market. DJ is improving game by game and he's doing it on a team filled with role players. There's absolutely no reason why we can't keep both DJ and Kemba.

When Silas was playing them together against the Hawks, our offense just looked smoother. We had 2 players capable of creating for themselves and others, we don't get that with Kemba/Hendo or DJ/Hendo.

[Marvel]

He played just fine last season. Especially for a pass first point guard with no one to pass to.

I don't know how anyone says he disappears in the 4th either. Thats just flatout wrong... whether he's icing games from the FT line or wrestling the ball away from a guy twice his size - he's there. Give him credit where its due.

Exactly. How many times has DJ iced games with his FTs. Argh, it's the typical Lolcats PG debate all over again.

[adam187]

can't kemba just grow 4 or 5 inches?

[cltblkhscoach]

Add me to the keeping all 3 argument.....hell just because we resign DJ doesn't mean in a year or two we could trade him or perish the thought....trade Kemba or Hendo, lol. Good points made about DJ doing so well when his supporting cast is just as young and unproven as he is....thinking about this group growing together I'm actually getting excited. If we can just get (or develop) a volume scorer with these guys, everyone looks that much better.

[DY_nasty]

Add me to the keeping all 3 argument.....hell just because we resign DJ doesn't mean in a year or two we could trade him or perish the thought....trade Kemba or Hendo, lol. Good points made about DJ doing so well when his supporting cast is just as young and unproven as he is....thinking about this group growing together I'm actually getting excited. If we can just get (or develop) a volume scorer with these guys, everyone looks that much better.
I agree. Henderson may have a bad night against Atlanta shooting, but he still managed to play a solid game outside of that. If he could ever become truly consistent and gave us a guaranteed 15 ppg night in and night out, then I'd be absolutely comfortable with Kemba coming off the bench in JET/Ginobli-esque role. With DJ/Gerald/Kemba together you get a very dynamic - if undersized - backcourt that could do a lot of things well. IF they all pan out of course.

[Marvel]

I'm not reading too much into Hendo's struggles right now as his injury prevented him from working on his game.

[spectre]

Hell yes. Why is everyone so scared of having these assets? I think everyone's getting carried away with the new car smell.

Because 7-9 million for a guy who can't defend his position against some of the weaker PGs like we've played wouldn't be an asset. Let's see how he does against some top 10 PGs...or better yet let's wait til we get about 40 games under our belt.

I like the "new car smell" line tho!

[Marvel]

Because 7-9 million for a guy who can't defend his position against some of the weaker PGs like we've played wouldn't be an asset. Let's see how he does against some top 10 PGs...or better yet let's wait til we get about 40 games under our belt.

I like the "new car smell" line tho!

To be fair that's not my line Spectre. You're right, small sample sizes and everything.

[spectre]

I hope they all continue the great play and we keep all of them. I'd be real happy to be contending for the 4th seed next year. Hell I'd love for both of them to top a 20 PER for the year and then we trade whichever gets us the best return. I LOVE assets, and hopefully Cho will value them just like we do.

One think I for sure don't want to do is let anyone walk that is worth something. Either trade them at the deadline, S&T them or sign them to a fair deal.

[superb1]

Because 7-9 million for a guy who can't defend his position against some of the weaker PGs like we've played wouldn't be an asset. Let's see how he does against some top 10 PGs...or better yet let's wait til we get about 40 games under our belt.

I like the "new car smell" line tho!

Agreed, we should see how both play against top pgs to determine which direction to go.

I'm glad to see that i'm not the only one who wish to see us keep all three. But the FO need to make a choice to what to do and soon. start contract extension discussion now, if not going our way trade him then. we should not get in a bidding war in the offseason but don't let this drag out either

[CatNation1]

Prediction: DJ+Boris traded together the week Reggie Williams comes back from injury.

there will be no point to playing the 2 pg set with Williams back, front office knows the fans wont accept Kembas minutes cut back down to 10-12. Being by far the biggest money maker on the team, we will oblige. Then we will see what Kemba is really made of

[dnbman]

The only thing I care about is that we continue to acquire and develop assets until we have a seriously competitive team. If that means we keep DJ and trade Kemba at some point, so be it. Like Spectre, I just want us to get the best players we can with what we have at the moment. I tend to favor youth, especially if all things are equal.

[JohnnyTimmons]

It is really very simple: hope DJ andKembaplay well, start whomevergives us the chance to win. Shop Dj along with any other nonessentials and trade only if a deal that we want comes along. You should never take that option offthe table. If there is no attractive offer ressign him if possible. If he asks for too much money or wants to walk, then that happens. You can't rule out a trade just because he's good, and you can't rule out ressigning him either. Only reason a player should be gone is because it makes the team stronger with him gone, by trade or walk, or waiver.

[teej]

DJ's contract extension, based on what Ballwhore has told us, would be toxic fairly quickly. He's a mediocre PG in this league, he can't defend a ham sandwich and no offensive skills can make up for that when he's going to get a 4 year, 32 million dollar contract or something similar. Thanks, but no thanks.

You have to look at all the factors, and bad contracts are what got us to this point now. No need to overpay a guy who, while being a suitable pg, isn't a piece for a championship contender.

[ALong13]

I don't see DJ getting that type of contract, but who knows. Right now I'd rather have him than Kemba. Kemba has upside, but right now is doing horrible at what he is famous for...scoring. If he gets to the free throw line, then he's not too bad, but for him to get 10 points while shooting 2-9 is nothing impressive. Nothing is impressive about a 38.7% shooter from the field when the majority of your shots are drives or free throw range jump shots. Nor is a 31% 3 point shooting impressive either. I'll gladly take DJ's 17.5 ppg with 7.5 apg, better shooter from down town and from around the field.

Unless Kemba picks it up, DJ keeps the starting job and should not be traded.

[teej]

If you don't trade DJ, then that's tantamount to either giving him an extension or letting him walk. If he isn't traded by this deadline, then he won't be traded until the end of next season, if at all.

[CatNation1]

I'd imagine if we don't trade him we'll end up letting him walk. If we didn't even wanna shell out 2 milion for Dante Cunningham who was playing well worth that salary for us with a terrible potential-less SF rotation, why would we pay DJ big time long term money. Cho might be good, but some financial issues are even out of his hands. Just another reason to hope DJ is traded for good value by the deadline. Throw it on the pile

[Adam42R]

I'd imagine if we don't trade him we'll end up letting him walk. If we didn't even wanna shell out 2 milion for Dante Cunningham who was playing well worth that salary for us with a terrible potential-less SF rotation, why would we pay DJ big time long term money. Cho might be good, but some financial issues are even out of his hands. Just another reason to hope DJ is traded for good value by the deadline. Throw it on the pile

I am pretty sure to assume one doesn't inform the other. It sounded like we didn't keep Dante because we had a highly paid starter that was going to get the lion-share of minutes (Corey) and brought back a team and fan favorite in UPS. Did Cunningham have more upside than UPS? I thought so but at the same, I don't know we knew what we were getting in Cunningham in that trade and never planned to lose UPS to someone else. So we are right back to where we were (starting SF paid a lot getting most of the minutes) and no Cunningham (with the traffic stop this summer, he probably couldn't make the best case for himself).

So just because we didn't want to shell out 2mm for Dante doesn't indicate how we'd deal w/ DJ at all. At least I hope not. I would hope we'd do what we can to keep him as I think he's a great asset and would hate to see us part with him.

[SWedd523]

What it all boils down to is that DJ isn't really worth getting a new contract from us. We're hunting for All-Star or All-Star 'caliber' players. DJ may very well be 'worth' $7 million a season, but he's not worth it to us because at the end of the day, he's an average PG. Why lock ourselves into an average player when we're rebuilding?

If he proves to be average, which he is, then we need to move on. If Hendo proves to be average, which is what he's looking like, then we need to move on. The same can be said for the rookies and every other player on the roster. We shouldn't even concern ourselves with retaining DJ because it's WORTH more to the franchise to see if Kemba can be above average.

You can pay a guy like Luke Ridnour or Ramon Sessions to provide nearly the same production for a fraction of the price. So it's not worth it.

[spectre]

What it all boils down to is that DJ isn't really worth getting a new contract from us. We're hunting for All-Star or All-Star 'caliber' players. DJ may very well be 'worth' $7 million a season, but he's not worth it to us because at the end of the day, he's an average PG. Why lock ourselves into an average player when we're rebuilding?

Seems that song is vaguely familiar (see what I did there? :biggrin: ). I didn't agree with it then so much because we were still trying to win...and we did it not to keep average talent but to instead sign a knucklehead to a multi year untradable contract. If the circumstances were the same then as they are right now I'd have been on the opposite side...which is the side I'm on right now.

We're just not at the stage to pay a premium for average talent. Hopefully we'll be there soon...but it's not today.

I just hope he keeps balling his little heart out and makes it a tough decision (or nets us a better return).

[SWedd523]

Yep.

Two years ago I'd be in favor of signing Felton (oops... DJ) to an extension. But right now? While we're trying to build a winner? No thanks. It's not worth it in my eyes to sign an average/mediocre PG to a deal while we're going to suck for the foreseeable future. DJ wouldn't take us from a bottom 5 to a playoff team any more than one of the other average veteran PGs out there

[Pepperz]

I really would like to sign him up to a reasonable contract but as time goes on, its becoming less and less likely to happen. Hes going to want a starting job and starter money which we wont do. The best way to please everybody is if we trade him for draft picks and during the off season he comes back and signs with us for back up money.

[ballwhore]

:g:
Yep.

Two years ago I'd be in favor of signing Felton (oops... DJ) to an extension. But right now? While we're trying to build a winner? No thanks. It's not worth it in my eyes to sign an average/mediocre PG to a deal while we're going to suck for the foreseeable future. DJ wouldn't take us from a bottom 5 to a playoff team any more than one of the other average veteran PGs out there
Magic johnson couldn't with this team as constructed so how you figure anyone else could.:g:

[SWedd523]

:g:
Magic johnson couldn't with this team as constructed so how you figure anyone else could.:g:

How do you know that?

[ballwhore]

Good players make average players look good as well sometimes even great.

[ballwhore]

Because he said so..Don't get me wrong i'm all for trading DJ and doing it asap..

[Plowright]

Thing is, if people want to tank then trading DJ is the way to go. As of right now without DJ we are a very bad team and would be throwing a very inexperianced rookie into the starting lineup

[Marvel]

How do you know that?

Deron Williams said that.

Face it this team stinks, look at Wall right now struggling with the garbage Wizards, yeah he's looking great, but everyone seems to think he'll lead that team to a contender someday, which i don't doubt he will.

i don't think Silas fits this team right now. We're in a rebuilding phase and his rotations would suggest he's trying to make the playoffs or something which is a joke.