The Tanking Support thread [Archive]

ziggy

01-06-2012, 10:22 PM

This thread is for those members that might be falling off the tanktastic bandwagon. In here, the members that are firmly on the tanking bandwagon will remind the others to keep their eyes on the prize and not to be suckered into gaining a few wins here and there that will do nothing but screw us up at draft time.

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w301/bobcatsplanet/tank-2.jpg

Go forth tankers and continue fighting the good fight.

spectre

01-06-2012, 10:38 PM

:rock:

I had to try and explain to my wife all this right when OT started...she never got it. "You tied it up!...is that good or Bad?" - Good! "So you want to win?" - No, we need to lose. "So you're pulling for them to lose?" - Of course not...I could never do that.

Great game. I saw a LOT of good things...DJ playing out of his mind offensively, Sick Kemba plays as well as some awesome defense, DJ White standing up to Smith, Tyrus with some good D...and we're still on track to get a possible franchise guy next spring.

Life is good!

ammofan

01-06-2012, 10:38 PM

Screw tanking. I want the #1 pick and great players but I don't cheer to lose. I'm still cheering for the team to make the Playoffs to be honest....can't do it any other way.

Boomer

01-06-2012, 11:51 PM

Best thread ever. Suck it up and get it a high draft pick or this mediocrity continues forever!

Dcarnys

01-06-2012, 11:54 PM

Screw tanking. I want the #1 pick and great players but I don't cheer to lose. I'm still cheering for the team to make the Playoffs to be honest....can't do it any other way.

Amen to that, If we make the playoffs I'm happy. If we get a GOOD lottery pick 1-6 I'm happy.

CatNation1

01-07-2012, 12:12 AM

My dream of this offseason would be to secure a top 5 pick with ours, and find a way to turn DJ+Boris into another lottery pick. If our lineup next season was

Kemba/FA
Hendo/Williams
Kidd-Gilchrist/Tyrus/Maggette
White/Biyombo/Tyrus
Drummond or Davis/Mullens

I'd jizz in my pants and buy season tickets. Even though I don't live in Charlotte during the season. lol

Black

01-07-2012, 11:18 PM

When you're bad, you don't have to tank.

The Prodigy

01-07-2012, 11:48 PM

Tank all the way! We want Drummond!

anton273

01-08-2012, 11:34 AM

Im all over tanking... we deserve some good luck in the draft for once!!

Keetch

01-08-2012, 11:47 AM

I still blame Walter Hermann for costing us Kevin Durant. Worst hot streak ever.

ND22

01-08-2012, 12:06 PM

Its a win win for us this year. If the Bobcats win they win and that is awesome, and if they lose they get closer to a top 3 draft pick and that is awesome.

Bobcat Matt

01-08-2012, 02:25 PM

If you ever want this team to become a championship contender you absolutely should be on board with tanking. There is finally a master plan in place, and although the front office would never admit it, tanking is an integral part of it. A top 3 pick, a solid young core, and 20 mil in cap space looks very promising. All I want to see this season is for the young players to grow and get better individually. Every win is one less ping pong ball...I say, tank all the way to the bank!

QC Thundercats

01-08-2012, 02:53 PM

This is just a weird season all around. When the ball goes up, I can't help but cheer the team on, get pissed when they screw up (which is often) and get hyped when they do something great. Buuuuuuut, if/when they lose, I don't get pissed anymore, because that does help us longer term. I completely understand the logic of tanking, but I just can't ever root for my team to lose, ever.

For those who are conflicted, just do like I did with the Panthers - Last game of the season, I wanted to kill the Saints during the game, wanted to knock the mighty Brees down, and show the NFL that we we're arriving and to watch out for us. But when we got whipped, I was like cool, we just went up about 5-6 spots in the draft with the loss. So cheer your head off for the cats (or at least the young ones if you're more conflicted), but if they lose, then just appreciate it for the long term progress of the franchise.

Two other points, 1) I don't see how cheering for the team hurts them in any way. Its not like any of us have an effect on the game whatsoever based on if we cheer or jeer a good play. And 2), with the shortened season, wacky scheduling, and every team in various stages of getting in shape/building chemistry, I don't anticipate much separation in records from top to bottom. So with many more teams being in contention until the very end, most teams except the bottom 5 will be playing harder than normal to get into the playoffs. I think because of our youth and defensive deficiencies (or straight ineptitude), we will be in that bottom five, and though we may have the will to play hard, most teams will match the intensity, and we'll come up short more times than not. So don't ever feel bad about cheering for the team. Plus, you should always support the team fully, good or bad, as you never know how draft picks will pan out, and to continue to build a fan culture where Charlotte becomes good alternate destination for players.

bes628

01-08-2012, 04:01 PM

I cannot support this thread.

Plowright

01-08-2012, 06:35 PM

Operation tank is in fu flow. I think this ranking season is falling into place pretty dam well right now! We have a shorter season so we won't have to watch this terrible team too much. Plus due to the lockout and other reasons this years draft looks to be pretty stacked! This really is the perfect season to suck :)

Demon DeaCat

01-08-2012, 08:45 PM

It's actually the best of all worlds. We are bad so we're going to lose plenty, but not so bad that we're unwatchable. We're competitive in most games and even in a game like last night where we lost by 20 we had the lead at half and we got to watch nearly 3 quarters of decent basketball. It sure is nice for games like Miami and Atl to not hurt as much as they normally would.

cltblkhscoach

01-09-2012, 07:56 AM

As a season ticket holder and in good conscience, I cannot go along with just tanking. Like some people have said, I have an eye on the big picture and cheer like hell for us to win, but if lose I understand that it helps us in the long run but it hurts so bad in the short term. If this team somehow is in contention for the 8th seed towards the end of the season, then I'd want them to go for it, wouldn't that mean the rebuild is ahead of the game and some of our players are better than we thought?

SWedd523

01-09-2012, 08:50 AM

I don't think there are many people out there who WANT to lose. I would personally be ecstatic if we won enough games to go to the playoffs, but I'm not going to get all pissy every time we lose and start throwing people under the bus, because we're supposed to lose. We are that bad.

I'm glad ohara has finally come back to the realist side. Lowered Expectations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xLsRI7-hBs

teej

01-09-2012, 04:56 PM

Scottley Crue

01-09-2012, 06:56 PM

As a STH, I stand and yell and clap and all that shit during the game (much to the annoyance of the rich pricks to my right), but if we lose, it doesn't annoy me. I just enjoy being there to watch us get better. The game against Atlanta is my perfect scenario for all season...close losses, baby!

I agree, I'm a STH too and will cheer in support of the team. But the losses aren't annoying this year, as it's half the plan (the other half being letting the young guys learn). I've always enjoyed being at NBA games, and this year, I'm really enjoying watching guys like Kemba, Bismack, Gerald, and Byron learn and grow into the building blocks of the future success of this franchise.

ohara831

01-09-2012, 07:08 PM

I cannot agree on tanking. People pay good money for games and a lot of money for Season Tickets. Tanking is by its very nature dishonest by making people think you are playing your best to win when your coach and front office are "throwing' the game. If they play hard and lose, so be it. I just dont want to watch a game and it be so obvious that the coach is playing a lineup that makes no sense unless the object is to NOT take the lead. I just would be sickened by the thought that the front office and coaches are intentionally tanking. I know some teams have done it, and I lose complete respect for them. I dont want to feel that way about my Bobcats.

DY_nasty

01-09-2012, 07:09 PM

We'll never tank as good as that Heat team that landed Beasley. Their entire starting unit went on vacation. Riley too.

Plowright

01-09-2012, 07:33 PM

ohara831

01-09-2012, 07:53 PM

We are never going to lose on purpose, if anyone thinks that they should stop right now. This thread is just supporting the fact that we are going to lose a lot of games. It is so people don't jump on the back of the team for losing. Tanking in my view is just a way to let everyone know we are not a good team, we are going to lose. It doesn't mean we are actively wanting to lose

Then the title of the thread is not really accurate. Tanking is when you play in such a way as to want to lose so you can get a better draft pick. What you are describing is not tanking at all. It is saying to just expect us to be bad as we are in fact bad. And not to be so disappointed as the team will get a very nice draft pick to help us in the future. That is fine. But that is not tanking.

Plowright

01-09-2012, 08:18 PM

Fair enough, then i don't believe in tanking then. I believe in something else....what shall we call it?

teej

01-09-2012, 08:39 PM

making people think you are playing your best to win when your coach and front office are "throwing' the game. If they play hard and lose, so be it.

I don't think any STH expects this Front Office is trying to win. I paid good money, and if they led a game by 5 at the end and brought out Diop, Carroll, and Cory Higgins, I'd be cool with it. But that won't be necessary. We suck regardless, as the Front Office already did it's tanking in the offseason.

Snidely FC

01-10-2012, 09:09 AM

Then the title of the thread is not really accurate. Tanking is when you play in such a way as to want to lose so you can get a better draft pick. What you are describing is not tanking at all. It is saying to just expect us to be bad as we are in fact bad. And not to be so disappointed as the team will get a very nice draft pick to help us in the future. That is fine. But that is not tanking.

How about "Stanking", as in stanky stinking.

ohara831

01-10-2012, 10:36 AM

Fair enough, then i don't believe in tanking then. I believe in something else....what shall we call it?

Pulling for your team to win, but not being upset when they lose, as you know it will pay off with a solid draft pick. And being happy when they do win. And believing that since the team with the worst record seems to always lose out on ping pong ball luck, that perhaps the BB Gods will favor us if we have only the 3rd worst record, but win the Lottery. :-)

polarcat

01-10-2012, 10:58 AM

I am all for whatever it takes to get into the top-5 (pref. top 3) picks this year. I don't think we need to purposely tank, our roster is just not strong enough to be good. This lockout shortened season is a weird one anyway, so why not just clean house, play the young guys and see what we've got moving into next year. First move of business, TRADE DIAW!

dav7z

01-10-2012, 11:02 AM

I worry about the team being to good . Just a few more points and this team would be playing 500 ball .Though im hopeing ever game we force other teams to overtime. And feel relived when i think of the draft pick, after loseing the game.
See i want us to win but i want that draft pick more..

anton273

01-10-2012, 11:05 AM

It's like we are playing battleships, but we suck and everyone is sinking our ships!!

I love us playing good for the first half then tanking the 3rd just enough for us to believe we can bring it back but we don't :)

OT: who is out biggest rival? I actually don't know

Plowright

01-10-2012, 03:07 PM

How do i post pictures i have saved on this forum?

enigmaboy89

01-10-2012, 10:03 PM

I can't agree with you more. I just bought NBA Mobile to watch the Bobcats here in NY, I do not want to feel that the team is losing on purpose.

ziggy

01-13-2012, 06:35 AM

Before this thread fell off the first page, I just wanted to check in with everybody to see how the Bobcats' tanking is going for you this season.

- Is it more painful than you expected?
- Is it not as bad as you expected?
- will you be able to survive another 50+ games of this craptacular basketball?

Chef

01-13-2012, 07:56 AM

spectre

01-13-2012, 08:31 AM

It's painful as hell...much worse so far than I was thinking. Part of that could be my fault tho as I didn't think no training camp would effect us this badly.

50+ games more? We're Bobcats' fans which means part masochist. Of course we can make it thru.

CatNation1

01-13-2012, 11:40 AM

jjust do what I do and root for Mullens to keep getting 15+ point nights. its the only thing that keeps me watching lol

Scottley Crue

01-13-2012, 01:05 PM

It's no bed of roses, but considering the lack of practice time (I can't stress enough how much of factor I think this is) and young talent on this team, this is about on par with what can be expected early in the season. There's a lot to learn and it'll take some time. If we still see them look as lost at times like they do now during the last third of the season, then there's more reason for concern.

As for dealing with it...I'd say don't pay too much attention to the scoreboard. Just pay attention to how they handle offensive possessions and defensive responsibilities to see if it improves over time.

Or just take a shot of your beverage of choice every time Diaw passes off on a wide-open layup. I suppose that could work, too.

TheBeagle

01-13-2012, 03:59 PM

1. It's more painful than I expected but only because of Paul's whadafuck rotations. Rebuilding, or at least a successful rebuilding is synonymous with losing, so I can handle that, so in that regard, the tanking is okay. But the minutes allocations to certain individuals on a game to game basis is just......confusing and makes it painful to watch regardless of the losing.

2. The losing hasn't bothered me for the most part. Losing by 30 to an average ATL was nauseating as was sitting through that debacle vs. HOU. Even the infamous Minnesota game from 3 years back with all of 2K people in attendance wasn't as boring as that steaming pile.

3. Definitely. This was the plan and I bought into officially on draft day lock stock and barrel. And if anyone finds themselves feeling like they're not able to survive, look at it as a countdown to Boris's last days in town....that'll easily turn those frowns upsidedown!

skratch

01-13-2012, 04:12 PM

Is there anyway to get Biyombo to the D-League?

Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan

01-14-2012, 01:04 PM

Its tough watching us lose so much and so badly but its necessary. You have to tear it down to build it back up, this is all part of rebuilding. I dont support purposely losing games but if we try hard and lose i dont mind. We're a young team but Paul Silas has some weird rotations...one night bismack plays 12 min...another 4....i dont get it.

Plowright

01-14-2012, 01:22 PM

I don't think anyone gets Silas's rotations BBF! Good to see you in the forum :)

teej

01-14-2012, 11:18 PM

I don't mind it at all, tbh. Mullens, DJ2, Kemba, and Hendo are fun to watch. Diaw, Diop, and Bismack are fun to watch, too, but for the wrong reasons. But I've enjoyed every game I've been to so far.

cltblkhscoach

01-16-2012, 08:35 AM

Still early in the season with a late start and no real camp, I think we need to give Silas a break on rotations. We're young as hell and we're just now starting to find out what we really have in people. Who thought Mullens would be starting at Center, Diaw being even more lazy and fat than ever, and Maggette going down so early.

He's being forced to play Tyrus which I'm sure wouldn't be his choice, and Reggie Williams is still out a couple of more weeks with the knee injury. It's going to be March before we have a solid rotation guys, and that's just reality. Silas is a good coach, we've seen it before with the Hornets and last season, and with this being most likely his last year, of course he's going to do everything he can to win.

TheBeagle

01-17-2012, 05:36 PM

teej

01-20-2012, 12:00 AM

You're lucky you didn't go to the Rockets game....wish I hadn't either.

I did. I enjoyed making fun of Diop and Diaw with the rest of sections 101 and 102.

ziggy

02-19-2012, 08:35 PM

Just wanted to check in with everyone to see how the tanking was sitting with everyone.

We all knew that this season was going to be bad, but the depths of failure that we have suffered repeatedly this season has to have tested the will of even the most hard core fans...
If you're still 100% on board with the tank and fully support The Cho Objective then speak up and let it be known.

If you can't take this anymore, lets hear your thoughts too.

For me, I've suffered through bernard robinson, tamar slay, jeff mcinnis, sam vincent, adam morrison, jamal sampson, the dust chip,sean may's fat ass, Gana diop just to name a few, so I'll be damned if I'm going to jump ship when we are a mere 30+ games away from a top 4 pick in one of the deepest drafts in years. Call me a masochist, but I can tough out he final half of this season with no problem.

Scottley Crue

02-19-2012, 09:53 PM

I'm down with the Cho Objective 150%. I've suffered through the same things and have no intention of going anywhere. When a team is blown up, things like this are bound to happen. Other than securing a top 4 pick, what happens this year is record-wise is irrelevant. Lose by 5 or by 25, lose 5 in a row or 15; it doesn't matter. What does matter is that pick and the development of the young players. I'm very happy with the progress of Walker, Biyombo and Henderson. I enjoy watching them learn. They'll be part of the success of this team going forward, I believe.

So let the Cho Objective be brought to full fruition, I say. This is how a small-market team has to build a solid, long-term contending team. That's what I want here in Charlotte and I'm Ok going through some rough times now to have better times ahead.

BobCatsFanInTx

02-19-2012, 10:06 PM

The Bobcats are not good enough to win a lot of games trying with all their might so some kind of real effort and cohesiveness would be nice. I understand rebuilding and lack of talent but this team has no heart. They are not as bad as the countless blowouts they have suffered. Settling for such poor effort tells me all I need to know about the direction of this team. Losing is one thing but to show no heart and to lay down is bullshit no matter how bad the team may want the top pick. It is called pride and those that do not have it should be off the team. There is no way that I would allow Cho to convince me that for the good of the team I should play dead most nights. It is nonsense and no way should a team do so. Not to mention that drafting is not an exact science. A lot of high draft picks have failed and our team is a perfect example of that. Cho's body of work is relatively small for me to think that tanking is going to net us a better player maybe a few steps above what we would get if the team played to win. The team is not good enough to win many games as it is constructed but there is no way we should have so many 20+ and 30+ blowouts. You all may like that but to me it is disgusting.

Pepperz

02-20-2012, 12:23 AM

Im on board the "Cho Cho Train". I want to win a title. We would never won a title the previous route we were going. Suck for a couple years to have a decade of title contention is good for me. It sucks that we are losing but I enjoy watching glimpse of Walker taking it to the hole or BitchSmack throwing everybody shots as they come down the lane. More often then not, they will mess up. This is a learning experience for them for when we do get better pieces to put along side these guys, we will be VERY SICK.

Imagine we get Davis this year. Our interior Defense will be one of the tops in the game. Everybody will hate playing us because its going to be so hard to get a shot off against the likes of Bis and Davis. I expect to suck next year too and when we do, we can have a chance to get somebody like Shabazz. A SG that is going to be a prolific scorer in the NBA.

Hope is what keeps a man going.

superb1

02-20-2012, 12:42 AM

I'm down with the Cho Cho Train and have been on the that band wagon from the beginning. I knew this season was going to be bad. The only thing I hope we win the that No 1 pick. Let Cho do his magic and kill in the draft and off season. I'm loving the attention as the worse team, at least we get some type of media attention. Being run of the mill gets you nothing. But to be bad as we are, add least someone is talking about us. I wish Lin was playing back when we were playing them those few games in the same week. That would have giving us some spotlight also. But all joking aside, I understand some can't stand us losing and I wish that we did play with some heart. It is like Jordan or Higgins are telling we are going to suck. Remember when BJ was lighting it up then he tapered off and now Reggie seems to to the same.. This locker room needs a fire light under them. It is hard ti thing no one is stepping up. Someone or something is killing the spirit. Even if we get the first pick, if there is no passion to win, then all of everything goes to shit.

Boomer

02-23-2012, 10:17 PM

at least we've got a shortened season where we suck to get a draft pick...less time to suffer for the fans.

cltblkhscoach

02-23-2012, 11:32 PM

I honestly think the guys play hard on most nights, like Wednesday night they were right there until the mid 3rd where they just lose it - and it's because we're bad, I mean there's no other way around it really. Changing coaches or attempting to light a fire to a group that just isn't good just really isn't going to change what we are, which is bad.

It was different with Larry Brown - that team was way underacheiving, and we saw that when Paul came on last year.