Bizzy D??

[Chef]

quoted from keetch's post on the game thread from last night:


Hey I love to see Biyombo get more minutes; er, check that, it's getting painful. Poor Biz has no idea what he's doing and I think that will be to his detriment if he doesn't get pulled out for some serious coaching and practice in game situations.

if i were the gm and coach, i would move him down to the d-league. the game is similar to the nba (as opposed to europe where he was) but it is slower and will allow him to learn better. he would also get far more 1 on 1 skills coaching.

no reason not too.

[spectre]

In regards to him knowing what to do...is it any surprise since most of the time our starters don't appear to know what to do?

That being said I thought about him pulling a short stint in the DL last night and I think it might be a smart way to go. Assuming of course that their coach will make it a priority to give him minutes and work to develop him.

The Red Claws are "our" team, right? Can/will they work and play a guy who could possibly be a detriment to their W/L record?

[DY_nasty]

No one on offense knows what to do outside of DJ and sometimes Diaw and that is entirely on the coaching staff and lack of training camp/preseason. Henderson is just as lost too - when he's not coming off that screen on the elbow, he's looking just as lost as the majority of the team. I mean, there is NO WAY that we can intentionally be giving DJ White all these touches like he's the new #1 option right? Because that'd be too obvious of a tank job.

Seriously though, there is no reason why Diop should even be on the floor when Biyombo is on the roster.

[Marvel]

Killing me, no training camp, lack of team practice...Smack does look lost. I'm beginning to think sending him to the D League won't be such a bad idea in light of this lockout. He needs PT, full court 5 on 5 action, because Silas trusts a fat overweight Diop more and he's not doing jack.

Our offense is putrid though, especially when Diaw and DJ are having off nights.

[Ghost Kat]

Maybe its my poor feeds, I hope its not blind bias.....But I dont see this "lost" Biyombo y'all talk about. If i am correct he is 19-20 yrs old, only been playing organzied basketball for a couple of yrs what does anyone expect? But lost? I haven't seen alot of that. I see hustle and effort. Thats way more than i see out of Diaw. Reguardless of my Diaw hate, Bizzy B needs more time. He isn't committing a bunch of dumb fouls, he's not dribbling forever then turning the ball over ( Tyrus ), He puts in work around the rim on both ends of the court. But lost?? I just have to respectfully disagree

[CatNation1]

I wanna see him play big minutes so bad but he can't rebound at all right now. I'm not knowledgeable enough to see why, I just see he isn't getting it done on the boards. Hopefully he's getting coached up well, cause I'm sure its not from lack of effort

[Chef]

I wanna see him play big minutes so bad but he can't rebound at all right now. I'm not knowledgeable enough to see why, I just see he isn't getting it done on the boards. Hopefully he's getting coached up well, cause I'm sure its not from lack of effort

just from what i see it is because he is trying to catch up with the game. basically he isn't in position and not able to anticipate because he is still processing what was going on 1 second ago. the thing that strikes me when i attend the games are how fast they are. i have played against d1 players and small level pro's (d-league, aba, euros). the thing that strikes me is how fast they move and how natural the game is for them. i liken it to when i play against 11-12 year olds just messing around at the community center.

biz is really trying to adjust to the speed difference between nba and europe. remember, he wasn't exactly a huge rebounder and scorer in spain either (big red flags) but he was drafted so high based on being (ahem..) 19 and never really being involved with basketball in any meaningful capacity.

[Marvel]

When i say he looks lost, i mean he doesn't know our defensive rotations - (not that any of our bigs do) and he's still trying to grasp the speed of the NBA. On offense he looks solid, i'm not worried no one should be, unless they're expecting him to be Dwight Howard by the end of the year.

In regards to his rebounding, his thinking or IQ is behind the speed of how fast the game is being played, so his reaction time is slowing him down, because things happen before he has a grasp on knowing what to do and where to be on rotations.

Once the game slows down for him, his rebounding, shotblocking and offense should fall into place.

But, his effort, energy and hustle alone should warrant more playing time than Gana that's for damn sure.

[spectre]

When i say he looks lost, i mean he doesn't know our defensive rotations - (not that any of our bigs do) and he's still trying to grasp the speed of the NBA. On offense he looks solid, i'm not worried no one should be, unless they're expecting him to be Dwight Howard by the end of the year.

In regards to his rebounding, his thinking or IQ is behind the speed of how fast the game is being played, so his reaction time is slowing him down, because things happen before he has a grasp on knowing what to do and where to be on rotations.

Once the game slows down for him, his rebounding, shotblocking and offense should fall into place.
But, his effort, energy and hustle alone should warrant more playing time than Gana that's for damn sure.

I think people way underestimate the adjustments needed for this and how hard it actually is. Totally agreed w/this on both him and Kemba.

[Marvel]

Yeah, these things will improve in time - NBA playing time - which is why i'm not worried about Kemba or Smack.

[teej]

Yeah, and you don't get those things by going to the D-League. They're too slow. Keep him here, his current role is just fine.

[Toocool]

What up haters? 11/10/4 blocks
I'm kidding, thought he did very nicely this game, he's got stupidly good physical tools to work with, just needs to continue to develop.

[ALong13]

I think this is a game that he could look at though for confidence. Are there mistakes he made against Dwight? Yes, but who doesn't? To get a double double while being guarded by and guarding the most dominant center in the game is quite impressive and should be a highlight of his short career so far. Yes most of his score were dunks and hook shot, but we knew he was limited offensively, but he's already 10x as good as Diop on the offensive side and even better on the defensive side IMO with way more upside. He needs to work on a jump shot from around the basket and some post moves, but for a 19 year old kid who has only played basketball for a few years, this kid is impressive and the sky is the limit for him. He needs to stay as far away from Tyrus Thomas as can be, but learn from Diaw's lost post passing ability, Mullins jump shot, continue his work on defense (and teach Mullins some D), and watch plenty of tape on post moves (because no one on the roster has anything that can show him that).

I'm not worried about him. I honestly feel more comfortable with his development at this stage than I do Kemba. Kemba shows flashes every 4th or 5th game, but overall his shot selection and shooting has been horrid. Hopefully that will change as he gets more comfortable though. Also needs to work on his passing ability. It looked better tonight, but overall its not been there.

[spectre]

What up haters? 11/10/4 blocks
I'm kidding, thought he did very nicely this game, he's got stupidly good physical tools to work with, just needs to continue to develop.

Nice...but you know you weren't kidding!

Seriously, I am so freaking pumped about this guy! Last night he played Dwight better than most Cs in the league! Like I said earlier I don't think the Magic were very pumped up for us, but it was very obvious Smack frustrated the hell out of him. And those baby hooks! Are you kidding me? The boy does have offensive skills, esp. for a 19 year old!

He also shows on a defensive pick and roll better than any other big we've had besides Tyson Chandler. Almost every time he showed on Nelson and went back to Dwight with almost perfect timing at the top of the key.

Another thing I loved? He fought for every rebound regardless of which uniform was there! I know he took one from Kemba and another from Tyrus (course Tyrus had to say something)...it's like he's made it his goal in life to ATTACK for the rebound!

What a find this kid was at 7th.

[dav7z]

What up haters? 11/10/4 blocks
I'm kidding, thought he did very nicely this game, he's got stupidly good physical tools to work with, just needs to continue to develop.
It was me and you in v\s the forum in the Smack thread. I think i said way back in the day the kid could average 10 -10 -5 given playing time.. He still looks like a very raw Howard in Howards rookie year. The kid should have proved to all of Bobcatsplanet last night hes our long term center . Not p/f Given playing time he could average thease numbers.

Side note Salis said last night Kemba would be a all star in two years . WOW?

[Toocool]

It was me and you in v\s the forum in the Smack thread. I think i said way back in the day the kid could average 10 -10 -5 given playing time.. He still looks like a very raw Howard in Howards rookie year. The kid should have proved to all of Bobcatsplanet last night hes our long term center . Not p/f Given playing time he could average thease numbers.

Side note Salis said last night Kemba would be a all star in two years . WOW?

It's always nice when you're right. Makes you look smart.
dav7z and Toocool, rolling haters left and right on the planeteer site.

[adam187]

woooo! this guy gets me so pumped for every game! please please please keep playing him big minutes.

[stun704]

How many reactionary threads are you going to make? how about you wait for a larger sample size before you classify a player as garbage

[DY_nasty]

How many reactionary threads are you going to make? how about you wait for a larger sample size before you classify a player as garbage
Who said Biz was garbage? lol

[stun704]

Who said Biz was garbage? lol
being in the d-league = garbage, especially for the 7th pick

[DY_nasty]

being in the d-league = garbage, especially for the 7th pickBeing the D-league doesn't mean you're garbage. And given the situation, would you rather a guy ride pine and see the court for less than 10 minutes a night or would you like to see him actually get better with minutes and coaches dedicated to him?

It was never a "he sucks, send him to the d-league with the dregs!" thing. It was a gross mismanagement of minutes thing.

[spectre]

being in the d-league = garbage, especially for the 7th pick

Silas hasn't been playing him, so you'd think any time in the D would be better than no time here. IF Silas will start giving him regular PT (unlike that DNP-CD crap the other day) then I'm perfectly fine with keeping him here.

Hopefully Cho will get rid of some of the players Silas likes playing in front of Smack...take the choice away from him.

[Chef]

being in the d-league = garbage, especially for the 7th pick

disagree big time. especially in this case where you have a player who is obviously lost alot of the time he is on the floor. it is not to say that he is garbage but the d-league would allow him to really work on his game and learn how to play basketball. he is so raw. physically, i am not sure there are 10 guys who are more gifted in the nba, but he struggles during the games. sure last night was a great game but most of the season has been very different.

going down for a stint would allow him to use superior athletic ability to slow the game down enough to really get a feel for the nba game as compared to the euro game. it was not a slight against him at all. he is not thabeet, nor am i worried about that. i actually think he will turn out ok maybe even stellar.

i also very much disagree that i make reactionary threads. i still stand by my resign dj thread if we could get him below the 7 mil range. i also stand by my assessment of tyrus, diaw, kemba and hendo. just because i don't always look at the most rosy bobcats favored outcomes of player development as alot of folks on here do, does not mean that i am being reactionary. i just call them as i see them.

[TheBeagle]

Nice...but you know you weren't kidding!

Seriously, I am so freaking pumped about this guy! Last night he played Dwight better than most Cs in the league! Like I said earlier I don't think the Magic were very pumped up for us, but it was very obvious Smack frustrated the hell out of him. And those baby hooks! Are you kidding me? The boy does have offensive skills, esp. for a 19 year old!

He also shows on a defensive pick and roll better than any other big we've had besides Tyson Chandler. Almost every time he showed on Nelson and went back to Dwight with almost perfect timing at the top of the key.

Another thing I loved? He fought for every rebound regardless of which uniform was there! I know he took one from Kemba and another from Tyrus (course Tyrus had to say something)...it's like he's made it his goal in life to ATTACK for the rebound!

What a find this kid was at 7th. 100% everything here. And ALong13, don't apologize for his points coming on dunks and hooks...that's what a true big man does to score. It doesn't show any limits or liabilities. If he never takes a shot outside of 5 feet, I'm cool.

Don't know how many caught Paul's postgame on TV, but he said Biz is his toughest player (which begs the question we all had about his DNPCD vs. CLE) which attributed to his continued frustration of Howard.

I've been enamored of his pick and roll defense since the Heat game in Charlotte. He shows hard at the guard and busts ass once our 1 has recovered getting back to his man. I mentioned it in a thread how reminiscent of Chandler it was and how insane it was considering it was his second NBA game with no training camp or preseason. Just....WOW!

And yeah, like I said on the game thread, I was loving his aggressive rebounding against his own teammates, even if he almost decapitated Kemba! Anytime he's on the court, he's my favorite player to watch. Initially it was the sort of mystery of who this dude from the Congo who has a freakishly athletic body and massive arms was, but now it's because of the endless energy and enthusiasm he displays; I mean, I even feed off it and get pumped when I see him out there.

I'd still love to see what Oak could do with him, but I think Werdann is doing some really good things with him.

In summary, nobody beats the Biz!

[dav7z]

[QUOTE=Chef;205690]disagree big time. especially in this case where you have a player who is obviously lost alot of the time he is on the floor. it is not to say that he is garbage but the d-league would allow him to really work on his game and learn how to play basketball. he is so raw. physically, i am not sure there are 10 guys who are more gifted in the nba, but he struggles during the games. sure last night was a great game but most of the season has been very different.

going down for a stint would allow him to use superior athletic ability to slow the game down enough to really get a feel for the nba game as compared to the euro game. it was not a slight against him at all. he is not thabeet, nor am i worried about that. i actually think he will turn out ok maybe even stellar
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Im not seeing a lost player on the floor,never have . He sets scerans as well as any body on the team . He boxes out well . For say the first six or so games help defence give hime big time truble . But he even seemed to rotate very well last night . Blocking three of those four shots on the weak side and altaring at least four more shots. He shouldn't even smell the D League . He just needs more burn. All so Salis has refered to some one working with him on a daily basis.

Im thinking White is on the block and about to be moved . Salis has drove his value way up sence the start of the season. If playing White increases his value im all for it.

[DY_nasty]

Biyombo always looks lost. Sky is blue. Water, wet.

Doesn't mean he isn't fun to watch though. But if he isn't defending the rim, he generally doesn't look like he knows whats going on. First 8 games of the season he'd run in circles trying to get rebounds since he was always consistently out of a position.

[dav7z]

Biyombo always looks lost. Sky is blue. Water, wet.

Doesn't mean he isn't fun to watch though. But if he isn't defending the rim, he generally doesn't look like he knows whats going on. First 8 games of the season he'd run in circles trying to get rebounds since he was always consistently out of a position.

So you are seeing the learning on the defencive side of the ball too. Im not saying he has a high BBIQ but a player thets ready to become a regular part of the rotation.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/01/17/2935731/orlando-turns-it-on-turns-back.html
Country strong

[DY_nasty]

So you are seeing the learning on the defencive side of the ball too. Im not saying he has a high BBIQ but a player thets ready to become a regular part of the rotation.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/01/17/2935731/orlando-turns-it-on-turns-back.html
Country strongI will say that what impresses the most with Biyombo is how he improves every single game. Its such a great thing to see out a player his age.

[skratch]

Those Morris brothers are in the d league why not put Bismack in the dleague as well, he'll get more minutes and it will make him better

[GoBobs]

Just play him more if we are tanking anyway. He needs to learn how the NBA refs call games.

It is worth noting that Bismack is tied for 10th in the NBA in overall number of blocks even though he hardly ever plays. He is third in blocks per 48 right now at almost 6. Of course he can't stay in the game that long because he averages like 9 fouls per 48 right now too.

[spectre]

Silas now thinks Smack is a C!

Rookie Biyombo moving to center for Bobcats (http://hosted2.ap.org/ALDEC/TDSports/Article_2012-01-19-Bobcats-Biyombo/id-bfc54f8dbbd34ac3a3a37f6ccee7d8da)


"I was playing him at the power forward spot and I had so many guys there," Silas said. "But now he's going to be my backup center. He's going to play there from here on in. He and Byron will share that spot and Byron will start and Bismack will come off the bench."

[dav7z]

Silas now thinks Smack is a C!

Rookie Biyombo moving to center for Bobcats (http://hosted2.ap.org/ALDEC/TDSports/Article_2012-01-19-Bobcats-Biyombo/id-bfc54f8dbbd34ac3a3a37f6ccee7d8da)

Salis sees the better rotations and inprovement on defence. Salis has finaly decided hes a center like ive said from the start. He still needs work on position on the boards . But with regular playing time at the right position the sky is the limit. By season end i still say he will be posting a dubble dubble on a regular basis.

Including upside hes going to be much better than Okafor turned out . This kid is all star in three years?? Strong words for a srtong kid.

Remember Toocool and i called this from the start , He will all so make the all star rookie team along with his running mate Kemba

[CatNation1]

so I guess Biz's minutes will go up from the 11 per game they were at to about 18-20? good stuff. crazily enough he'll be in position to get even more blocks than he has been getting playing the PF position. 2 per game would be cool

[TheBeagle]

Salis sees the better rotations and inprovement on defence. Salis has finaly decided hes a center like ive said from the start. He still needs work on position on the boards . But with regular playing time at the right position the sky is the limit. By season end i still say he will be posting a dubble dubble on a regular basis.

Including upside hes going to be much better than Okafor turned out . This kid is all star in three years?? Strong words for a srtong kid.

Remember Toocool and i called this from the start , He will all so make the all star rookie team along with his running mate Kemba Love the optimism, dav! Hope it all comes to pass. I don't think double doubles will happen regularly this season (happy to be proven wrong) but it's beginning to be easy to envision them happening down the road, and for years to come!

I'm just happy Paul is cementing Biz in as the backup 5, meaning more minutes, and no Diop.

Also, Biz jerseyshirts are due in the team store in early Feb. Already got mine on hold.

[dav7z]

Love the optimism, dav! Hope it all comes to pass. I don't think double doubles will happen regularly this season (happy to be proven wrong) but it's beginning to be easy to envision them happening down the road, and for years to come!

I'm just happy Paul is cementing Biz in as the backup 5, meaning more minutes, and no Diop.

Also, Biz jerseyshirts are due in the team store in early Feb. Already got mine on hold.

All i have is the White CRASH and Debbie the away Felton . I really should get the home SMACK . Wonder if i could ordor one with SMACK where the name goes . I all so hate sporting a zero.
WE GOT TO GET TOGHTER SOME TIME AGAIN THIS SEASON.

[Zoolander]

Can't wait to see this rotation sat!

[Proudiddy]

Funny, I also said draft night he should play (and if I'm not mistaken start at) center. Thanks for realizing that Silas. Also, what I got from those articles is that we want to lock up DJ White and one of the other guys is going to be traded soon.

[Toocool]

Actually quite a few centers in the league are 6'10 without shoes, so around 6'11 with shoes.
You'll actually notice Smack's exact measurements are 6'7.75 (for pity sake, let's put it at 6'8) so 6'9 with shoes.
Then again he does have a frickin 7''7 wingspan which makes up for any lack of height on his behalf.

[dav7z]

Funny, I also said draft night he should play (and if I'm not mistaken start at) center. Thanks for realizing that Silas. Also, what I got from those articles is that we want to lock up DJ White and one of the other guys is going to be traded soon.

Im thinking that all so . I would really like to it be TT with that contract . But thinking CHO would be pulling off a miracal geting rid of TT. Diaw will be much more tradable and we should see decent value in return . But do we want to affect or 2012 free agent flexability. When we could cut TT. not sign Boris and make a major play in the free agent market. The smartest thing to do is move DJ White . May even packege him with DJ . Try and get another pick in the 2012 draft. Right now we getting the third pick so we look like this at worst . Kemba , Smack , Henderson , Barnes ................ White , TT, , Diaw , and about 19 mil free agent money. At best we can add Davis or Drumand in Barnes place.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Actually quite a few centers in the league are 6'10 without shoes, so around 6'11 with shoes.
You'll actually notice Smack's exact measurements are 6'7.75 (for pity sake, let's put it at 6'8) so 6'9 with shoes.
Then again he does have a frickin 7''7 wingspan which makes up for any lack of height on his behalf.

And don't forget the just as important 9'3" standing reach, which puts him in 7-footer territory. I'd like to see a little more physical maturation before he's playing Center 35 minutes a night. But 20 minutes a night THIS season? Have at it, Biz.

[CatNation1]

Actually quite a few centers in the league are 6'10 without shoes, so around 6'11 with shoes.
You'll actually notice Smack's exact measurements are 6'7.75 (for pity sake, let's put it at 6'8) so 6'9 with shoes.
Then again he does have a frickin 7''7 wingspan which makes up for any lack of height on his behalf.

whered you get those measurements? DX has him at 6'8.31" barefoot, 6'9.5" in shoes
definitely big enough to play center in current NBA, but it would be awesome if he grew another inch. maybe the trainers can get him on some "special supplements" :D

[Toocool]

And don't forget the just as important 9'3" standing reach, which puts him in 7-footer territory. I'd like to see a little more physical maturation before he's playing Center 35 minutes a night. But 20 minutes a night THIS season? Have at it, Biz.

Also would like to add even more amazing stats...because we all are stat whores at heart.
Round Mound of Rebound was 6'5 (generally accepted 6'6 was too tall for him). He rebounded just fine (no really, look at his stats).
Chuck Hayes is doing fine at 6'6. Smack has 3 inches on these guys. If they can be successful, he can be too at 6'9.

My knowledge of the stats astounds you, I can tell. I'll tell you my secret...google.com.
So now that you know my source of information, go forth and reap the knowledge.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Also would like to add even more amazing stats...because we all are stat whores at heart.
Round Mound of Rebound was 6'5 (generally accepted 6'6 was too tall for him). He rebounded just fine (no really, look at his stats).
Chuck Hayes is doing fine at 6'6. Smack has 3 inches on these guys. If they can be successful, he can be too at 6'9.

My knowledge of the stats astounds you, I can tell. I'll tell you my secret...google.com.
So now that you know my source of information, go forth and reap the knowledge.

I wish we had Barkley's wingspan and standing reach measurements. But they didn't officially do that back then. I don't even think we have OFFICIAL combine measurements on his height. He had high shoulders, a small head, and long arms. This guaranteed he would play bigger than his height.

But Barkley still wasn't a Center. The debate is whether Bismack can be a center. Can Bismack's 240ish pound body handle the wear-and-tear of muscling with much bigger players 82 nights a year? Yeah, he can bother their shots all night long while he's healthy, but would he better off from a longterm health standpoint as a PF?

And this would indicate Barkley was more like 6'7" in his shoes. Maybe it was off a bit?:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/celebrity/sports/charles-barkley-91

[dav7z]

No body in the NBA is going to push him around . If any center could it would have been Howard . Howard seemed discusted he couldn't push SMACK around. SMACK said Howard is strong but added im strong all so [hmm]
Bonell called him country strong. TT called him as strong as OK50 . No center in the NBA is going to push him around . As far as height a 9.3 standing reach and a 40 in vertical enough said . You can't name three other centers in the league thets that strong and can get up that high. And people wonder if he can handle 82 games a year WOW.

[docend24]

Actually quite a few centers in the league are 6'10 without shoes, so around 6'11 with shoes.
You'll actually notice Smack's exact measurements are 6'7.75 (for pity sake, let's put it at 6'8) so 6'9 with shoes.
Then again he does have a frickin 7''7 wingspan which makes up for any lack of height on his behalf.

I guess you should work with most recent numbers

DraftExpress Jonathan Givony

Measurements just handed out here at the EuroCamp. Bismack Biyombo 6-8 w/out shoes, 7-6 wingspan, 9-4 standing reach, 245 lbs, 4.2% body fat
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=All&sort2=DESC&draft=&pos=&source=All&sort=5
and here it is beaten to death http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1118825

[docend24]

whered you get those measurements? DX has him at 6'8.31" barefoot, 6'9.5" in shoes
definitely big enough to play center in current NBA, but it would be awesome if he grew another inch. maybe the trainers can get him on some "special supplements" :D

Those looks like Nike Hoop Summit ones few months prior to pre-darft ones (Euro Camp).

[SWedd523]

I never really like the "Position Argument". Bismack isn't a PF and he's not a C. He's a post player. If he were to be on a team with a guy like Brook Lopez, he'd play as a PF. If he were to play on a team with a guy like Love, he'd be a Center. To take it even further, if Bismack and Mullens were playing together, Bismack would be the Power Forward. If Bismack and White were playing together, Bismack would be the Center.

I guess what I'm getting at is that it really doesn't matter what we consider him. We should only be worried about who he can matchup with. He has the strength to matchup with the bulls like Dwight, but also has the athleticism to matchup with the quicker guys like Bosh. There's no need to pigeon-hole him into a certain position.

[dav7z]

The best i could find

.................................................. .......... SMACK............................................. ................ Howard
Height .................................................. ........... 6.9 in shoes.......................................... 6.11 in shoes
Weight............................................ ................243 4% BODY FAT................................ 265
Wing span .................................................. .... 77................................................ ...... 75
Standing reach............................................. ....94............................................ ........... 93 to 96
Veatical.......................................... ................40................................ ........................ 35
Not saying hes a Howard but in size he compares very well .
Should have no truble size wize playing a NBA center

[spectre]

I guess you should work with most recent numbers

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=All&sort2=DESC&draft=&pos=&source=All&sort=5
and here it is beaten to death http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1118825

Wow Doc...thanks so much. Inside that thread is fantastic ESPN article on Smack! I recommend everyone read it if you get the chance.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=Biyombo-110614

[Veteran_Picksetter]

No body in the NBA is going to push him around . If any center could it would have been Howard . Howard seemed discusted he couldn't push SMACK around. SMACK said Howard is strong but added im strong all so [hmm]
Bonell called him country strong. TT called him as strong as OK50 . No center in the NBA is going to push him around . As far as height a 9.3 standing reach and a 40 in vertical enough said . You can't name three other centers in the league thets that strong and can get up that high. And people wonder if he can handle 82 games a year WOW.

No doubt he can be an good part time Center. The question is can his health handle 82 games a year, 35 minutes a night, against centers 3 inches taller and 20-30 pounds heavier. I say as long as he splits time between C and PF he should be fine.

One game against Dwight Howard does not make a player. The NBA is about doing it night after night. I'm a Bismack fan. I'm just saying give him time at both positions for the long haul.

[spectre]

Another!

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/scott_howard_cooper/06/14/bismack-biyombo-euro-workout/index.html


So, do you believe you will lead the NBA in blocks?

"I do."

Will you lead the NBA in blocks?

"Yes."

Can you lead the NBA in rebounding?

"Yes, I will."

You will lead the NBA in rebounding?

"Yes. Of course. Hundred percent.

"I don't care how tough people are over there. I don't care how strong they play over there. I know that I'm strong, too. I know that I'm tough, too. I never let people just beat me easy. They're going after me and I'm going to go after them.

"I have one guy that I watch in the NBA, the way he rebounds the ball, Kevin Love. He's very smart. He knows the place he needs to be to go after rebounds. Every time I watch his game, I don't watch how he scores the basket. I watch how he rebounds the ball. He's very smart. He's not jumping like me. He don't have a body like me. But he's smart. So a lot of times I try and learn something from him, and that helps me a lot. Someday, I'm just going to wake up like I'm going to 20 (rebounds) -- and I'm going to get 20. I'm going to do the same thing I was doing in the ACB and I'm just going to keep going and make some things happen."

[TheBeagle]

Another!

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/scott_howard_cooper/06/14/bismack-biyombo-euro-workout/index.html Fantastic piece and how fucking prescient is the writer with this:

"What he does not say, what he could not possibly know, is that Biyombo will need all of a few weeks to become a fan favorite wherever he goes in the Draft. Depending on the roster, he may be the fan favorite. His passion, in conversation and certainly on the court, is that commanding."

Dropping the guy an email after this to tell him just that.

I could easily envison him being the leader of this team in a couple years....he seems to be that special of a guy.

As for the age, don't know if we'll ever know, but the eye test says his face looks every bit of 18-19. Also, did guys like Lebron and Dwight look "their age" at 18 or 19? Some people are just born physical freaks of nature.

[DY_nasty]

Fantastic piece and how fucking prescient is the writer with this:

"What he does not say, what he could not possibly know, is that Biyombo will need all of a few weeks to become a fan favorite wherever he goes in the Draft. Depending on the roster, he may be the fan favorite. His passion, in conversation and certainly on the court, is that commanding."

Dropping the guy an email after this to tell him just that.

I could easily envison him being the leader of this team in a couple years....he seems to be that special of a guy.

As for the age, don't know if we'll ever know, but the eye test says his face looks every bit of 18-19. Also, did guys like Lebron and Dwight look "their age" at 18 or 19? Some people are just born physical freaks of nature.Lebron? Oden doesn't like a day over 40

[Toocool]

In terms of people disputing my stats, I used the Draft Express ones.
Frankly it was also extremely late, so I can't remember which stats I got them from (lulz), but it was on Draft Express.

[Marvel]

Oh Mama there goes my man Bismack Biyombo.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

In terms of people disputing my stats, I used the Draft Express ones.
Frankly it was also extremely late, so I can't remember which stats I got them from (lulz), but it was on Draft Express.

Yeah, I try to use them because they mostly list the combine measurements. I think with players from the 80's and early 90's, they tend to put whatever measurements might have been put into a newspaper article at the time the player was being worked out, pre-draft. But I guess those older numbers are more disputable.

[adam187]

Height seems to be an overrated (and often inaccurate in regards to what team's list) statistic people get caught up in about NBA players.

Here are some interesting articles in regards to it:

http://hoopspeak.com/2012/01/blake-griffin-cant-reach-his-defensive-potential/

and

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/34789/kevin-love-and-height-liars-in-shoes

I don't think Biyombo will have any trouble playing center in the NBA

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Height seems to be an overrated (and often inaccurate in regards to what team's list) statistic people get caught up in about NBA players.

Here are some interesting articles in regards to it:

http://hoopspeak.com/2012/01/blake-griffin-cant-reach-his-defensive-potential/

and

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/34789/kevin-love-and-height-liars-in-shoes

I don't think Biyombo will have any trouble playing center in the NBA

I totally agree with your point about height. However, I just don't want to see Bismack wear down prematurely through years due to ONLY guarding weightier centers for the most part. I think with his work ethic he will be able to give some us OFFENSE against PF's down the road. He'll overpower plenty of them and get that little hook shot off. That's where he has his best potential, in my humble opinion--at the 4.

Also, while he IS strong and long, he doesn't have the broadest shoulders and he's not really a space-eater. That will hurt him going up against 7-foot, 260+ lb. guys.

[adam187]

I totally agree with your point about height. However, I just don't want to see Bismack wear down prematurely through years due to ONLY guarding weightier centers for the most part. I think with his work ethic he will be able to give some us OFFENSE against PF's down the road. He'll overpower plenty of them and get that little hook shot off. That's where he has his best potential, in my humble opinion--at the 4.

Also, while he IS strong and long, he doesn't have the broadest shoulders and he's not really a space-eater. That will hurt him going up against 7-foot, 260+ lb. guys.

No idea if Biyombo would ever get worn down. I've never really thought about it and I honestly can say I have basically no knowledge on that part of the game. Clearly he doesn't have Dwight shoulders (who does?), but I'm encouraged by the fact that Silas said he has ridiculous stamina (about the hundred standing dunks thing) and the comments we've seen about his strength (country strong, Okafor strong). I'm hoping he is a lot like Dwight in that his body just never seems to wear down, never gets injured.

Biyombo is easily my favorite player on the team and, in my opinion, the one who will ultimately become the best.

PS - I have been really enjoying your posts and threads. Keep up the good work.

[polarcat]

At 18/19 years old, Biyombo could still technically grow a couple of inches. Even if he adds 2", he will be 6'11, which is sufficient enough at C. Throw in his wingspan and the fact that he will probably still add another 10-15 pounds of muscle over the next year or two and you then have 6'11" 245 lbs of Bitchsmack. He is ripped and an athletic specimen already and hustles, with an amazing work ethic and confidence. A couple of years and off-seasons under his belt and Biyombo should be good to go moving forward.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

No idea if Biyombo would ever get worn down. I've never really thought about it and I honestly can say I have basically no knowledge on that part of the game. Clearly he doesn't have Dwight shoulders (who does?), but I'm encouraged by the fact that Silas said he has ridiculous stamina (about the hundred standing dunks thing) and the comments we've seen about his strength (country strong, Okafor strong). I'm hoping he is a lot like Dwight in that his body just never seems to wear down, never gets injured.

Biyombo is easily my favorite player on the team and, in my opinion, the one who will ultimately become the best.

PS - I have been really enjoying your posts and threads. Keep up the good work.

Thanks, Man.

[dav7z]

A triple dubble waiting to happen . In 18 min last night 11, 7 , 4 ., 3 . filling a stat sheet in 18 mins shows tons of up side.. By far our best pick.