Dear God...

[BETCATS]

We have been blown out by the Nets, Pistons, Knicks, and Wizards. I have been a fan of this team since the day it was conceived by Bob Johnson and an empty bag (that he was planning on filling with money) in a dimly lit room. I've seen some stuff. We all have. But this....this is by far the lowest point in the Bobcats existence.

And I've got news for yall that believe in the "blow it up" madness MJ was preaching since we let Ray walk and traded Tyson: it isnt working. Kemba Walker isnt a superstar in the making. Byron Mullens has shown his true colors by responding to Silas's "soft" comment with a 0 rebound game. Bismark showed some signs of being good, but until he learns how to stop flailing his vine-like arms around and play some real defense he wont be much of a threat. They will wreck DJ's career by rushing him back from this toe injury. Tyrus is still at least a year away from getting back to where he was before the injury. If I had to put money on it I'd say that management will rush Reggie Williams back and set him back from fully healing too. Why is Rod Higgins son on the team?? Matt Carroll sure is making that Chandler trade look lopsided hahaha. Diop sucks but at least he is TRYING, I say give him 100 shots and see what happens; it's not like we are gonna win anyway. And lastly, Boris Diaw needs to be read the riot act then shot in the head: what the fuck are we paying him for?

[marino13882]

Its progress, if you want to get that first pick, you have to put in the work.

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[Bobcat4Ever]

We suck the big one.

[GoBobs]

We have sure looked bad without the DJs. As painful as this is though it is pretty much what we need to happen. Team with the worst record gets no worse then the third pick.

[Boomer]

Its progress, if you want to get that first pick, you have to put in the work.

Sent from Hayden Panettiere's #1 fan

this. patience grasshopper.

[bes628]

There really is no future here, . Nothing but Hendo's progress looks promising.

[GoBobs]

Kemba and Bismack can be good players. We need some time to see.

[bozzy]

While a top draft pick would be nice, this team has almost zero talent. Even a #1 pick doesn't make this team a playoff team. I really don't see any direction with this team. "Building through the draft" is a crock. This team has been building through the draft since it's inception and it has got them no where.

[tondi]

Kemba and Bismack have the potential to be at least decent. Henderson is already decent and has the potential to be even better. If those 3 guys work out and we draft the right guy this year then maybe we start to turn the corner and at least lose competitively next season. The rest of the roster needs to be traded or allowed to leave when their contracts expire. I would rather spend some money bringing in a guy I don't already know for a fact sucks than to overpay for our guys that I already know for a fact suck to stay. I would also prefer we quit taking on every bad contract in the league which was our specialty over the last few years, for what reason I have no idea.

I honestly don't care if we win much this year. I was prepared for that, but not even being competitive playing the other dregs of the league is disappointing. Especially when our young guys, who we all hope will comprise the future of this team, suck as much as the guys we already know we don't want to keep around.

[Toocool]

Pretty much everyone on this board has the right mentality of 'watch the game and don't comment on stats'
However from purely a 'statistical' POV looks like TT is getting back into his game (13/9/9 BLOCKS O.o)
Diop played about 11 minutes too much and Mullens is really disappointing with 0 rebounds in 18 mins, esp. for a player of his athletic ability.
Again from a 'statistical' POV how about Smack? 23 mins, 7 rebounds and 4 blocks. Any points he gets is a bonus.
Kemba shooting around 20% from the field this game, a lot of chucking going on. (Although I will give him the benefit of the doubt, having no Hendo means no consistent scoring option and thus Kemba had to carry).

Note: I didn't watch because I woke up late, turned on stream, saw Diop and promptly turned it off.

[SJackson1]

i agree with your comments on Tyrus Thomas, he his getting back to his A game with rebounding and blocking shots

[SWedd523]

Don't understand all the whining and crying. What did you expect, a .500 season? If its so bad for you then stop watching or find another team to follow. And of course we're talent depleted, we just got rid of all the talent we had because all it got us was a first round playoff sweep and the 5th highest payroll in the league.

Everybody knew this was going to be a rough season. If anything, it's going to take at least two years of sucktitude for us to get a solid base to build on. Even the Thunder sucked for two years after drafting Durant. Teams like the Kings, Wizards, and Wolves have been picking in the high lottery for YEARS and you're complaining after less than 20 games?

Sheesh. Since when did WE of all fanbases expect such a sense of entitlement?

[SirBobcat]

Don't understand all the whining and crying. What did you expect, a .500 season? If its so bad for you then stop watching or find another team to follow. And of course we're talent depleted, we just got rid of all the talent we had because all it got us was a first round playoff sweep and the 5th highest payroll in the league.

Everybody knew this was going to be a rough season. If anything, it's going to take at least two years of sucktitude for us to get a solid base to build on. Even the Thunder sucked for two years after drafting Durant. Teams like the Kings, Wizards, and Wolves have been picking in the high lottery for YEARS and you're complaining after less than 20 games?

Sheesh. Since when did WE of all fanbases expect such a sense of entitlement?

I 100% agree with this. If anything, we should be used to losing!

[SJackson1]

i don't mind us losing if every single player gives 110% night in night out, if we don't play hard ive got a problem

[ND22]

I almost gave in to rant about how bad we are and how we have no hope etc, etc.

Then I remembered: No DJ Augustin or White, no Mags, no Reggie Williams.

These losses...whatever, I'll refrain from getting too upset. When this team is back to full strength, that's when I want to see competitive games. If we're still getting blown out when at full strength, there are majors problems.

[Dcarnys]

I have no idea what to think right now. My optimism is thinking ohh this is nothing but then I wanna rip my hair out. This one is rough.

[TheBeagle]

I'll quote our dear old John Fox: It is what it is.

It's not supposed to be fun; it's not supposed to be pretty. This is the dark side of rebuilding.

What helps me is I just try to take at least one good thing away from every game and focus on that 'til the next one rolls around. For instance, tonight was fun to watch because of our two-man block party of Tyrus and Biz...they made Bleeeech, I mean Blatche look like the second coming of Mek the way they kept stuffing him at the rim, and hearing the Wiz fans boo him was pretty damn funny. It was also cool to see Matty play like a warrior out there tonight and drop 17. Poor dude can't hit a 3 anymore but still busts ass.

Yes, a blowout, wire-to-wire loss to the previously 2 win Wizards was fun to watch. That's more than I could ever say last year post-GW.

[skratch]

I just hope we get something good out of all this losing we've been through 6/7 losing seasons, i want us to finally get a star,respect and give the fans something to cheer about, i know jordan is losing money

[SJackson1]

i hope it will be a different story when we get Augustin, Maggette, White and Williams back playing.

[Proudiddy]

I agree BET... This sucks donkey balls. I knew we were gonna suck, but I didn't see us sucking like this, especially after the season opener. It's clear we are trying to lose though, just look at the distribution of minutes. I think Silas was given the mandate and he's just here to be miserable and talk shit until we get secure the most lottery balls.

[Chef]

Don't understand all the whining and crying. What did you expect, a .500 season? If its so bad for you then stop watching or find another team to follow. And of course we're talent depleted, we just got rid of all the talent we had because all it got us was a first round playoff sweep and the 5th highest payroll in the league.

Everybody knew this was going to be a rough season. If anything, it's going to take at least two years of sucktitude for us to get a solid base to build on. Even the Thunder sucked for two years after drafting Durant. Teams like the Kings, Wizards, and Wolves have been picking in the high lottery for YEARS and you're complaining after less than 20 games?

Sheesh. Since when did WE of all fanbases expect such a sense of entitlement?

come on swedd. how could you not see this coming? most of our bobcats superfan brethren showed their eternal optimism and naivete in the "predict how many wins" thread. there were more than a few close to 500 predictions and most where well north 20 wins. so not only do we have some very upset bobcats fans but we also have quite a few bobcats fans who are learning what it means to truly suck and be immensely short on the talent end. how many posts have we read about only needing 1 more go to guy to pair with starting lineup x and we will be looking at an 8 seed. nevermind that blake griffin, d. jordan, eric gordon failed to make even sniff a 500 record and those three a infinitely better than the equivalent position on our team.

i am afraid to say that we will be in the top end of the lottery for at least the next 2-4 years before we even sniff 500. this season is 1/3 of the way done, we should all prepare for at least 208 more games when we are completely overwhelmed. our only hope is that we can add at least 1 or 2 bright spots with serious talent after this years draft.

[CatNation1]

so you take a team that was already super young and pretty bad..take away most of training camp, preseason, and practices, then take away 3 starters from injury and bench the other 2 preseason starters and they are TERRIBLE? whodathunkit?

[tondi]

I was predicting around 15 wins prior to the season but damn, I don't know if we will hit 10 wins at this pace.

[BETCATS]

Don't understand all the whining and crying. What did you expect, a .500 season? If its so bad for you then stop watching or find another team to follow. And of course we're talent depleted, we just got rid of all the talent we had because all it got us was a first round playoff sweep and the 5th highest payroll in the league.

Everybody knew this was going to be a rough season. If anything, it's going to take at least two years of sucktitude for us to get a solid base to build on. Even the Thunder sucked for two years after drafting Durant. Teams like the Kings, Wizards, and Wolves have been picking in the high lottery for YEARS and you're complaining after less than 20 games?

Sheesh. Since when did WE of all fanbases expect such a sense of entitlement?
I am sorry man but that is some of the weakest reasoning I have ever heard. Watch another team? Well thankfully Sweed isnt the Pope of the Bobcat fanbase and cant excommunicate me, but I am only mad because I love this team and it is breaking my heart to see it looking like shit. I did not expect a 500 season, I expected to see a team that acts like a bunch of professionals. Nobody on our current roster has tried or is able to give consistent effort. How can you build a fan base if following your one winning season you destroy the entire team and start again? When OKC sucked they played their hearts out. Sacremento almost lost the team because nobody cared before. Washington and Minny were both contenders in the past and both have better pieces than us for the future. Our best group never even got a full season together. You cant tell me right now if we had Tyson/Tyrus/Wallace/Jackson/Felton with Diaw/Nazr/DJ/UPS and whoever we replace the other role players with that we wouldnt be in a better place. Look at how much Ray has improved since he left. Look at how Wallace has regained his all star form in Portland. It was a mistake to destroy that team. It just established that Charlotte has a losing culture.

And yes I am complaining because we just got blown out by every single other non playoff team in the conference. I wouldnt care of those guys fought out their like every single past Bobcat team did for at least the majority of the season. But when your center is running away from contact, your new rookie is good at taking shots but not good at making them, nobody gets to properly heal from injuries which will screw us in the long run, the boss's son is on the team for no real reason, Boris Diaw takes his laziness to a new level that no one even knew existed, and we arent even 20 games into the season but everyone seems to have given up. How many of these hypothetical young star players that we draft will even want to stay in such a place? And we all know MJ makes the best draft choices. Past first round choices include Adam Morrison, Sean May, and Alexis Ajinca....

Sheesh. Since when did WE of all fanbases expect to just go along with such b.s. and not express how pissed we are?

[WarioVsMooChicken]

I don't understand the Corey Higgins hate. He's actually been very solid off the bench, ESPECIALLY for an undrafted rookie. He has potential. So what if he's the GM's son? He's been one of our very few bright spots this year

[BETCATS]

I don't understand the Corey Higgins hate. He's actually been very solid off the bench, ESPECIALLY for an undrafted rookie. He has potential. So what if he's the GM's son? He's been one of our very few bright spots this year

We needed a 3rd point guard and he took the last roster spot. I dont 'hate' him, I just think it was a useless signing that really had no reason other than who he was.

[medicemtp]

I don't understand the Corey Higgins hate. He's actually been very solid off the bench, ESPECIALLY for an undrafted rookie. He has potential. So what if he's the GM's son? He's been one of our very few bright spots this year

I'm with you man...he has been a bright spot so far. He plays hard,has a good shot and has been scoring points,I don't care who's son he is,he is playing better than any reserve player we have,hech I think we should start him with all the injury we have right now.

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[Scottley Crue]

For those struggling with this rebuilding process, let me post this little piece of information that helped a gentleman I work with deal with the struggles of a rebuilding team:

Seattle/OKC
Year Record Win %
2007-08 20 - 62 .244
2008-09 23 - 59 .280
2009-10 50 - 32 .610
2010-11 55 - 27 .671

The first year is Durant's rookie year. I'm not guaranteeing we will have such quick success, but I point this out to prove that this model can work. And we have one of the people involved in this exact example working as our GM.

It's ugly now, yes. It's supposed to be. We have a bunch of young guys who are learning the game and they will make mistakes; plenty of them actually. It's the best way to learn. So yes, nothing we've seen from the Bobcats this year will be sent to Springfield anytime soon but there are pieces here that can be part of a successful team in the future. I can understand the frustration about the bad basketball, but honestly, get used to it for this season. You can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs and we're in the egg-breaking stage. We'll move on to the cooking stage in due time, but that won't be this season. Patience, I say, patience...

[CatNation1]

success isnt coming any time soon. but its painful to be in that stage where you dont even have any reason to hope yet. sorta like the 2010 panthers

[SWedd523]

I am sorry man but that is some of the weakest reasoning I have ever heard. Watch another team? Well thankfully Sweed isnt the Pope of the Bobcat fanbase and cant excommunicate me, but I am only mad because I love this team and it is breaking my heart to see it looking like shit. I did not expect a 500 season, I expected to see a team that acts like a bunch of professionals. Nobody on our current roster has tried or is able to give consistent effort.
If nobody is able to, then why are you getting mad that they aren't? Talk about a self-fulfilling prophecy.


How can you build a fan base if following your one winning season you destroy the entire team and start again?
The year we made the playoffs, we were 22nd in home attendance. So far this year, we're 15th. Looks like they're doing something right.


When OKC sucked they played their hearts out. Sacremento almost lost the team because nobody cared before. Washington and Minny were both contenders in the past and both have better pieces than us for the future. Our best group never even got a full season together. You cant tell me right now if we had Tyson/Tyrus/Wallace/Jackson/Felton with Diaw/Nazr/DJ/UPS and whoever we replace the other role players with that we wouldnt be in a better place. Look at how much Ray has improved since he left. Look at how Wallace has regained his all star form in Portland. It was a mistake to destroy that team. It just established that Charlotte has a losing culture.

Tyson--$13,107,838
Tyrus--$7,305,785
Wallace--$10,650,000
Jackson--$9,260,000
Felton--$7,500,000

Diaw--$9,000,000
Nazr--$3,750,000
DJ--$3,236,469
Henderson--$2,250,600
UPS--$854,389
Diop--$$6,925,400
Rookie--$1,700,000
Minimum--$$854,389
Minimum--$854,389

Those 14 players would have costed us $77,249,259 in salary this year. Plus whatever we'd pay in LT fees. Or in other words, the 5th highest salary in the entire league. And no, that team would absolutely not be a contender. We had pretty much that exact same team two years ago and got SWEPT. But hey, let's pay out the ass for a team that has no shot at winning a title just so we can feel better about ourselves.


nobody gets to properly heal from injuries which will screw us in the long run
I can't help but laugh at this. Do you have any evidence to support this claim?


the boss's son is on the team for no real reason
Marcus Jordan still plays for UCF.


Sheesh. Since when did WE of all fanbases expect to just go along with such b.s. and not express how pissed we are?
Do you always go online and bemoan the system every time your lottery card comes back with a loss? It's all about expectations. If you expected anything better than what you're getting right now, then you're either blind or a homer.

[WAM9]

I know I am late to the party on this topic and all sides seem to be competently represented but I needed to inject just one statement...

What the hell do you guys think happens in a rebuild?

When we traded Gerald, we instantly and without question went into rebuild mode. If rebuilds could be done in 6 months, everyone would do them.
We did this because we could not win it all with the players we had at the time (Felts, TC, GW, Jack, etc).

Rebuilds are a process by definition and we are just starting that process.

I actually am very happy and satisfied with the progress of our rebuild. It seems to be completely going the right way for me currently. Young guys getting time - check. Bad contracts getting closer to expiring - check. Not making any deals unless it is for long term potential (Biyombo and Mullens) - check. Setting ourselves up for a top draft pick in a crazy deep and talented draft - check. Having cap space for future free agent signings - check. Having good, if not great attendance during the bad games (I think I read #12 inthe league) - check.

Looks like a pretty successful start to a rebuild to me.

The main problem is that we are a "now" society. Hell, we even pace for 45 seconds in front of a microwave for crying out loud. Give it some time and it looks as if it will all be ok.

[CatNation1]

I'm starting to turn sour on this draft being "crazy deep and talented." the more I watch these guys the clearer it is that there is no superstar at all in this draft. not even close. it might be deep, but that is pretty irrelevant seeing as how (for the moment) we only have 1 pick anyway. all i care about is the talent in the top 3....and currently its pretty weak and could get even weaker if anyone stays in school

[dav7z]

Don't understand all the whining and crying. What did you expect, a .500 season? If its so bad for you then stop watching or find another team to follow. And of course we're talent depleted, we just got rid of all the talent we had because all it got us was a first round playoff sweep and the 5th highest payroll in the league.

Everybody knew this was going to be a rough season. If anything, it's going to take at least two years of sucktitude for us to get a solid base to build on. Even the Thunder sucked for two years after drafting Durant. Teams like the Kings, Wizards, and Wolves have been picking in the high lottery for YEARS and you're complaining after less than 20 games?



Sheesh. Since when did WE of all fanbases expect such a sense of entitlement?

Calm down old great modarator, grasshopper [ You are a great leader] We counting on modarators like you to take us all to that great NBA championship in the sky..

[WAM9]

I'm starting to turn sour on this draft being "crazy deep and talented." the more I watch these guys the clearer it is that there is no superstar at all in this draft. not even close. it might be deep, but that is pretty irrelevant seeing as how (for the moment) we only have 1 pick anyway. all i care about is the talent in the top 3....and currently its pretty weak and could get even weaker if anyone stays in school

???Really???

Drummond, Barnes, Sullinger, Davis, Gilcrest, LAmb, Robinson and Perry Jones all come to mind pretty quickly.

Tell me, in recent years, when we have had a draft that looks so deep at this point of the season?

And if you are only looking top 3, then that makes it even easier.

Remember, Wade went 5 for a reason while Oden was a "can't miss" bust at #1. Don't get to hung up on what others are saying. Part of being successful in a rebuild is finding value where others don't.

I fully expect for us to get a franchise type quality player in this years draft. It is a great year to be bad and have a top pick.

[ballwhore]

If nobody is able to, then why are you getting mad that they aren't? Talk about a self-fulfilling prophecy.


The year we made the playoffs, we were 22nd in home attendance. So far this year, we're 15th. Looks like they're doing something right.



Tyson--$13,107,838
Tyrus--$7,305,785
Wallace--$10,650,000
Jackson--$9,260,000
Felton--$7,500,000

Diaw--$9,000,000
Nazr--$3,750,000
DJ--$3,236,469
Henderson--$2,250,600
UPS--$854,389
Diop--$$6,925,400
Rookie--$1,700,000
Minimum--$$854,389
Minimum--$854,389

Those 14 players would have costed us $77,249,259 in salary this year. Plus whatever we'd pay in LT fees. Or in other words, the 5th highest salary in the entire league. And no, that team would absolutely not be a contender. We had pretty much that exact same team two years ago and got SWEPT. But hey, let's pay out the ass for a team that has no shot at winning a title just so we can feel better about ourselves.


I can't help but laugh at this. Do you have any evidence to support this claim?


Marcus Jordan still plays for UCF.


Do you always go online and bemoan the system every time your lottery card comes back with a loss? It's all about expectations. If you expected anything better than what you're getting right now, then you're either blind or a homer.

With all due respect Sweed you could have made other moves to get under the cap and at least keep your core. Jackson out and let Hendo get run Boris out for trade exception something. The front office just cut every damn body. You start with a core Hell be it Tyson, Wallce, Felton , Hendo or DJ over Felton you still cut cost. Move Nazr too. I rather build on a 7th seed than a last place team. It can be done and there are more examples of that than the way we went about this rebuild. Jordan was all about saving money the 30 mil loss caused him to panic in my opinion. I don't put much stock in the attendance number my wife went to 4 games so far and the arena was a little over half full in every video she sent. Even watching no way there is 15k at these games

[ballwhore]

Jackson & Felton 16.7 mil replaced by
Hendo & Dj 5.4 mil

That's 11 million difference right there I know it's not that simple but a gm could work it

[BETCATS]

If nobody is able to, then why are you getting mad that they aren't? Talk about a self-fulfilling prophecy.


The year we made the playoffs, we were 22nd in home attendance. So far this year, we're 15th. Looks like they're doing something right.



Tyson--$13,107,838
Tyrus--$7,305,785
Wallace--$10,650,000
Jackson--$9,260,000
Felton--$7,500,000

Diaw--$9,000,000
Nazr--$3,750,000
DJ--$3,236,469
Henderson--$2,250,600
UPS--$854,389
Diop--$$6,925,400
Rookie--$1,700,000
Minimum--$$854,389
Minimum--$854,389

Those 14 players would have costed us $77,249,259 in salary this year. Plus whatever we'd pay in LT fees. Or in other words, the 5th highest salary in the entire league. And no, that team would absolutely not be a contender. We had pretty much that exact same team two years ago and got SWEPT. But hey, let's pay out the ass for a team that has no shot at winning a title just so we can feel better about ourselves.


I can't help but laugh at this. Do you have any evidence to support this claim?


Marcus Jordan still plays for UCF.


Do you always go online and bemoan the system every time your lottery card comes back with a loss? It's all about expectations. If you expected anything better than what you're getting right now, then you're either blind or a homer.

1. You misquoted me or maybe you didnt understand - i said that people either cannot or will not give consistent effort: not both. We clearly have some talented players on the team, however it appears they are becoming apathetic about winning. Certain ones are not giving 100% every night. Either I am severely overestimating DJ, Diaw, Maggette, and Henderson (our 4 best players) or they are just not into it. Mullens, Walker, and Bismark still are trying to figure out how to play NBA basketball, so I will cut them some slack. And the rest of our roster is just not that talented and I dont expect much more from them.

2. People may be coming, but what are they going to look at? We had a full house for the playoffs. I don't believe an 8th seed was as high as they could get. It was just a bad matchup against Orlando, if we had gotten either Cleveland or Boston things would've been different. However since MJ blew it up we will never know what couldve been. This is all hypothetical so I don't want to get into it, but logically if that group had followed up their disappointing exit with another strong season, it would at least change the way people think of the team. We have a .158 win percentage right now, and the only sellouts/high attendance we can get are when a top team comes to town.

3. Yes, I can. This organization is notorious for that type of shit. Read what Raja Bell said about us. Look at the timetable from Tyrus's injury last year. They rushed him back about 2 weeks early and he gets hurt again. Look at DJ Augustin this year; his injury has a way to fully heal his toe, but instead the organization opted to hold off on that so DJ can get back asap. (Their are more examples but I dont have the time to pull them up right now)

4. Michael Jordan is Higgins's godfather. Rod still has a lot of say around the organization too. We clearly did not need another shooting guard. Yes, he is clearly better than Carroll, but we already have Carroll under contract and shouldve signed a 3rd point guard. Now that DJ is injured we have no one to push the ball. Kemba is not a playmaker.

And it's funny, I am not the only one who is not satisfied with the way the team has been playing. Jordan has called them out on a lack of effort numerous times. Silas has tried to get them to show him something. Nothing is working because this team just flat out sucks and is fine with sucking. That mentality disgusts me and the only times I have ever seen anything close to it was when they tuned Vincent and LB out. The difference I see between now and the past is the lack of heart and the lack of wanting to do better. I dont feel mistaken calling this a low point.

[SWedd523]

With all due respect Sweed you could have made other moves to get under the cap and at least keep your core. Jackson out and let Hendo get run Boris out for trade exception something. The front office just cut every damn body. You start with a core Hell be it Tyson, Wallce, Felton , Hendo or DJ over Felton you still cut cost. Move Nazr too. I rather build on a 7th seed than a last place team. It can be done and there are more examples of that than the way we went about this rebuild. Jordan was all about saving money the 30 mil loss caused him to panic in my opinion. I don't put much stock in the attendance number my wife went to 4 games so far and the arena was a little over half full in every video she sent. Even watching no way there is 15k at these games

The problem is that even with those moves, the team wouldn't be a contender and would have to go into a rebuild eventually. Making all of those moves might save us 5-8 million here or there, but the ceiling of our team with any combination of players as a core is (at best) a 6th or 7th seed. and all they would do is get older, and older, until we went into a rebuild. MJ and the FO said that was a dumb idea (which it is) and decided that it was better to blow it up now and try for something better....... that should be commended.

We tried the overpriced, average team in draft pick hell for about 8 years and we have one playoff sweep to show for it. We haven't even been taking for a full season yet and people are already getting angry because we suck. News flash: when you tank, you're supposed to suck..... again, that should be commended.

People don't want to admit it, but the front office IS doing the right thing here. You don't win a championship without a star and you don't sell out games without a star. The only way we can get a star is by sucking for long enough until we get one. It's going to be rough while we wait, but the prize is always worth the wait.

[ballwhore]

or package an all star like gerald wallace, chandler and a draft pick together for one.

[SWedd523]

What in the world could Crash/Chandler/12th pick get us? Certainly not a top 10 player.

[Let's Go Cats 218]

This franchise derailed the day we traded Gerald Wallace. There is no getting around that. Say what you want to about our team's salary at that time, but we were building something with solid vets who had a lot of good years left. Whatever... I'll take the 7th seed any day.

[Chef]

This franchise derailed the day we traded Gerald Wallace. There is no getting around that. Say what you want to about our team's salary at that time, but we were building something with solid vets who had a lot of good years left. Whatever... I'll take the 7th seed any day.

we were playing with far less heart and far less like pros the day we traded for crash than we are now. crash had had enough of the bobcats, it was time to part ways.

[Let's Go Cats 218]

we were playing with far less heart and far less like pros the day we traded for crash than we are now. crash had had enough of the bobcats, it was time to part ways.

I have to say that was LB's fault. Gerald Wallace loved Charlotte, and Charlotte loved Gerald Wallace. Good lord, give me back Felton, Jackson, Wallace, Nazr, Chandler, Flip... we had something going.

[DY_nasty]

I have to say that was LB's fault. Gerald Wallace loved Charlotte, and Charlotte loved Gerald Wallace. Good lord, give me back Felton, Jackson, Wallace, Nazr, Chandler, Flip... we had something going.
Yeah, old injured guys and sweeps

[SWedd523]

I have to say that was LB's fault. Gerald Wallace loved Charlotte, and Charlotte loved Gerald Wallace. Good lord, give me back Felton, Jackson, Wallace, Nazr, Chandler, Flip... we had something going.

We had an old, overpriced, mediocre team with no chance of winning anything. That's where we were going. No thanks.


EDIT: or what Dynasty said.

[ballwhore]

Chandler left and anchored a championship and recently came back to charlotte and tea bagged everyone from the players to silas and rufus; gerald wallace enough said. Thats two major peices with some young talent on the roster. Hell if cho is the guy you all claim he is I bet he could have flipped that roster. He did screw us

[WAM9]

SWedd and Dy Nasty get it.

[ballwhore]

We didn't have to get rid of everyone just because we fired larry brown. Chandler was an expiring as well.

[Let's Go Cats 218]

Face the facts...

IF we held onto Gerald Wallace and Tyson Chandler, we would be a MUCH, MUCH better team and more attractive to the FA's we currently have no shot at.

[SWedd523]

Chandler left and anchored a championship and recently came back to charlotte and tea bagged everyone from the players to silas and rufus; gerald wallace enough said. Thats two major peices with some young talent on the roster. Hell if cho is the guy you all claim he is I bet he could have flipped that roster. He did screw us

Chandler pussy footed his way through an entire season for us. Lost his starting job to a 32 year old Nazr Mohammed then a 36 year old Theo Ratliff. He scored in double figures a total of 13 times (never more than 16). Only had NINE double digit rebound games (never more than 14). He only managed to play more than 30 minutes on 13 occasions.

Then he begged to get traded.


The Tyson Chandler experiment failed.

[SWedd523]

Face the facts...

IF we held onto Gerald Wallace and Tyson Chandler, we would be a MUCH, MUCH better team and more attractive to the FA's we currently have no shot at.

You're absolutely correct. Instead of having the worst record in the league, we'd be struggling for the 8th spot in the LEast and playing for a sweep by the Bulls/Heat.

I'd rather be in that situation too.

[bes628]

Chandler left and anchored a championship and recently came back to charlotte and tea bagged everyone from the players to silas and rufus; gerald wallace enough said. Thats two major peices with some young talent on the roster. Hell if cho is the guy you all claim he is I bet he could have flipped that roster. He did screw us

This. Lol at always calling guys who aren't superstars overpriced, its the Bobcat planet way. Guys like Wallace and Chandler are 2 good assets to any team.

[Let's Go Cats 218]

Yeah, old injured guys and sweeps

You know what? We made the effing PLAYOFFS. People from coast to coast knew our roster. We had exciting players and played lock-down defense. Now, we have a team full of role players, and I'm flabbergasted that we're still #15 in attendance. What are we putting all of our hopes on exactly?? A rookie from the upcoming draft? You put a rookie with some skill on this team and we'll still suck. We have to build through the draft AND free agency. They are equally important.

[bes628]

Its laughable that anybody would even try to argue that we're better off without Crash and Chandler.

[SWedd523]

This. Lol at always calling guys who aren't superstars overpriced, its the Bobcat planet way. Guys like Wallace and Chandler are 2 good assets to any team.
While Chandler was most definitely overpriced, nobody said Crash was. the TEAM as a whole was overpriced. You can try and justify it any way you want, but the 5th highest payroll for a non-contending team is, you guessed it, overpriced.


You know what? We made the effing PLAYOFFS. People from coast to coast knew our roster. We had exciting players and played lock-down defense. Now, we have a team full of role players, and I'm flabbergasted that we're still #15 in attendance. What are we putting all of our hopes on exactly?? A rookie from the upcoming draft? You put a rookie with some skill on this team and we'll still suck. We have to build through the draft AND free agency. They are equally important.

Our team then was full of role players. And it's hard to build through free agency when you're capped out.


Its laughable that anybody would even try to argue that we're better off without Crash and Chandler.

And nobody said that either. If you want people to take your argument seriously, then it's best to use factual evidence. None homer-speak.

[Let's Go Cats 218]

While Chandler was most definitely overpriced, nobody said Crash was. the TEAM as a whole was overpriced. You can try and justify it any way you want, but the 5th highest payroll for a non-contending team is, you guessed it, overpriced.



Our team then was full of role players. And it's hard to build through free agency when you're capped out.



And nobody said that either. If you want people to take your argument seriously, then it's best to use factual evidence. None homer-speak.

Whatever... we had a good team. We played like crap against the Magic in the playoffs, but that team had potential. What is wrong with being the 7th or 8th seed each year with a high salary, and then picking up a good player once a crappy contract like Diop expires? Why blow it up completely? Why rip the heart out of the fanbase by trading Gerald for scraps? It doesn't make sense. Why do we have to have the WORST record in the NBA in order to rebuild? Other teams don't have to.

[adam187]

the real problem with this team is that we whiffed on the draft nearly every single time (for various reasons, hindsight's a bitch, some things were just bad breaks, whatever). you can't do anything when we messed up the most important part of building a new team. bringing in vets and making the types of trades we were doing was not a sustainable way to run a franchise. maybe the FO blew up the team too quickly for some of us, oh well, we're here now, let's deal with it. the most important thing is we have to nail our picks this time.

this team has made some good moves in the past year, even though some were hard to swallow. flipping naz (expiring) for another expiring and DJ white. I'll take Biz over SJax every day of the week (and i believe the gerald wallace trade was required to get the pick we traded with milwaukee in that trade). hiring cho. i like corey higgins, who can play a lil point. signing reggie williams on a very good contract. even if mullens is only back up material, a second for him is a good deal, and i've seen some significant improvements in his time here. i was sad we let dante go so easily, that has me a little worried about other things we are doing, but otherwise our FO is making good moves. let's wait and see what they do with boris and augustin.

obviously this team is hard to watch, especially when our roster is depleted. there are certainly things to complain about (not enough SMACK, seeming lack of effort, stagnated offense), but we also took miami to the wire and caused knicks fans to contemplate suicide. there will be more games like that this season, just like there will be more blow outs to teams like the wiz. we just have to ride it out and hope our team keeps making the right decisions for the future.

[dav7z]

We didn't have to get rid of everyone just because we fired larry brown. Chandler was an expiring as well.

Worst deal in Bobcat history. But i understand whats going on now. Im just not sure DJ is going any where . By season end MJ is going to know how important DJ is to rebuilding. You don't let your best player walk in his prime.
This thread is mostly venting. This team is much closer than most think to being real good.

This is a three year plan , Smack in two years is going to be a top center in the league . Im thinking as good as Chandler or better. Kemba may or may not produce but at worst he can be a spark off the beanch. Hendo is very solid and will be peaking about Next season.. Im thinking we going to pay DJ . And MJ is determined to have a top 3 pick. Im thinking we going to pick Davis , Drumand or Barnes

So hear is my key core players DJ, Henderson , Smack, Davis,Duumand, Barnes . [Free agent] With a teir 1 free agent filling our last starting position next season .
Cheap core reserves Mullens , White . R Williams Kemba.
I think Higgins is all so being looked at.
Gone in two years DIOP, DIAW, CARROLL, EDDIE , Maggs, may be TT , Thats about 38 mil off the books , So we will have tons of flexability. 2014 this will be a strong playoff team

[SWedd523]

Whatever... we had a good team. We played like crap against the Magic in the playoffs, but that team had potential. What is wrong with being the 7th or 8th seed each year with a high salary, and then picking up a good player once a crappy contract like Diop expires? Why blow it up completely? Why rip the heart out of the fanbase by trading Gerald for scraps? It doesn't make sense. Why do we have to have the WORST record in the NBA in order to rebuild? Other teams don't have to.

Because that team was unsustainable for two reasons: Age and money. Now, I've already done the math on the contract situation we'd be in, but take a look at this:

Crash would be 29 right now with 10 years of wear and tear on his body
Jack would be 33 with 11 years
Felton would be 27 with 6 years
Diaw would be 29 with 8 years
Theo, Nazr, and Tyson would be 38, 34, and 29 respectively.

that's a really, really old core.

[Let's Go Cats 218]

Granted... but if you keep Raymond, Crash, and Chandler, we have a solid, semi-young core. But the past is the past... I STILL am holding out hope that we'll bring Gerald Wallace back.

[Mustachio]

Granted... but if you keep Raymond, Crash, and Chandler, we have a solid, semi-young core. But the past is the past... I STILL am holding out hope that we'll bring Gerald Wallace back.


You must really enjoy mediocrity

[CatNation1]

lol that playoff assbeating was more embarrassing than where our franchise is now. We shouldnt have even waited the extra year we did to blow that team up.

The thing is..you can get that kind of team pretty easily, just acquire a bunch of veterans, sign a veterans coach like LB and every couple years you cycle out the old veterans and mediocre draft picks for new old veterans and new mediocre draft picks. Milwaukee has been doing this for a few years now, and their fans are sick of it. Yeah you can pursue the 6th-8th seed every year and enjoy year after year of rape that we had vs Orlando, but we are pursuing something greater. and i support it

[Let's Go Cats 218]

You must really enjoy mediocrity


I'm sorry, but what are we now? Worse than mediocre, with no end in sight. Lebron James is not walking through that door. When we have high-caliber players, we need to KEEP them. Find a way to keep them.

[CatNation1]

???Really???

Drummond, Barnes, Sullinger, Davis, Gilcrest, LAmb, Robinson and Perry Jones all come to mind pretty quickly.

Tell me, in recent years, when we have had a draft that looks so deep at this point of the season?

And if you are only looking top 3, then that makes it even easier.

Remember, Wade went 5 for a reason while Oden was a "can't miss" bust at #1. Don't get to hung up on what others are saying. Part of being successful in a rebuild is finding value where others don't.

I fully expect for us to get a franchise type quality player in this years draft. It is a great year to be bad and have a top pick.

its deep I guess (like I said we havent seen who all is going back to school yet), but thats irrelevant to us at the moment we need top end talent. I just cant see any of those guys being a Durant or a Rose type player. hopefully..

[bes628]

Worst deal in Bobcat history. But i understand whats going on now. Im just not sure DJ is going any where . By season end MJ is going to know how important DJ is to rebuilding. You don't let your best player walk in his prime.
This thread is mostly venting. This team is much closer than most think to being real good.

This is a three year plan , Smack in two years is going to be a top center in the league . Im thinking as good as Chandler or better. Kemba may or may not produce but at worst he can be a spark off the beanch. Hendo is very solid and will be peaking about Next season.. Im thinking we going to pay DJ . And MJ is determined to have a top 3 pick. Im thinking we going to pick Davis , Drumand or Barnes

So hear is my key core players DJ, Henderson , Smack, Davis,Duumand, Barnes . [Free agent] With a teir 1 free agent filling our last starting position next season .
Cheap core reserves Mullens , White . R Williams Kemba.
I think Higgins is all so being looked at.
Gone in two years DIOP, DIAW, CARROLL, EDDIE , Maggs, may be TT , Thats about 38 mil off the books , So we will have tons of flexability. 2014 this will be a strong playoff team

This entire post is ridiculous.

1) "This team is much closer than most think to being very good" ....No we're not, this entire statement is just completely wrong. We have like 3 guys that would get minutes on a legit NBA roster.

2) "Smack in 2 years is gonna be the top center in the league" ...So he's gonna jump from having the basketball skills and IQ of a average HS guy to being the top center in 2 years ? Is Dwight gonna die at some point in the next 2 ? And then you follow it up with the possibility of drafting Drummonds or Davis, which would be admitting that taking Biyombo where we did was a mistake and complete waster of time.

3) DJ is one of those 3 legit roster NBA guys I mentioned, and he's more than likely not coming back. They plan on rolling with Kemba.

[bes628]

Because that team was unsustainable for two reasons: Age and money. Now, I've already done the math on the contract situation we'd be in, but take a look at this:

Crash would be 29 right now with 10 years of wear and tear on his body
Jack would be 33 with 11 years
Felton would be 27 with 6 years
Diaw would be 29 with 8 years
Theo, Nazr, and Tyson would be 38, 34, and 29 respectively.

that's a really, really old core.

You don't have to keep them all, you keep Crash and Chandler let the rest walk.

Either way, outside of OKC or the Heat, or a team with similar dominant young talent. Most young teams don't make it far.

[Let's Go Cats 218]

This entire post is ridiculous.

1) "This team is much closer than most think to being very good" ....No we're not, this entire statement is just completely wrong. We have like 3 guys that would get minutes on a legit NBA roster.

2) "Smack in 2 years is gonna be the top center in the league" ...So he's gonna jump from having the basketball skills and IQ of a average HS guy to being the top center in 2 years ? Is Dwight gonna die at some point in the next 2 ? And then you follow it up with the possibility of drafting Drummonds or Davis, which would be admitting that taking Biyombo where we did was a mistake and complete waster of time.

3) DJ is one of those 3 legit roster NBA guys I mentioned, and he's more than likely not coming back. They plan on rolling with Kemba.

I think Biyombo can at best be Serge Ibaka, which would be a good thing. He's a non-scoring power forward, and that's all he'll likely ever be. Solid defense, a dunk now and then, and some quality minutes.

[CatNation1]

I think Biyombo can at best be Serge Ibaka, which would be a good thing. He's a non-scoring power forward, and that's all he'll likely ever be. Solid defense, a dunk now and then, and some quality minutes.

I wish Kemba could do those things :p

edit: aww you edited it

[Mustachio]

He's a non-scoring power forward, and that's all he'll likely ever be. Solid defense, a dunk now and then, and some quality minutes.

Sounds like Gerald Wallace to me.

[Let's Go Cats 218]

Sounds like Gerald Wallace to me.

Wow... you can't be serious. Pardon me asking... but... have you ever seen Gerald Wallace play basketball? Tell me you have, and then tell me you still think that. :facepalm:

[dav7z]

This entire post is ridiculous.

1) "This team is much closer than most think to being very good" ....No we're not, this entire statement is just completely wrong. We have like 3 guys that would get minutes on a legit NBA roster.

2) "Smack in 2 years is gonna be the top center in the league" ...So he's gonna jump from having the basketball skills and IQ of a average HS guy to being the top center in 2 years ? Is Dwight gonna die at some point in the next 2 ? And then you follow it up with the possibility of drafting Drummonds or Davis, which would be admitting that taking Biyombo where we did was a mistake and complete waster of time.

3) DJ is one of those 3 legit roster NBA guys I mentioned, and he's more than likely not coming back. They plan on rolling with Kemba.

I don't strike back very often but you are all but calling me stupid.
1st We have like 3 guys thet would get mins on a legit NBA roster
THREE, I can't belive you could even post that . wow Its like Sweed said if you think we suck that bad go find a real team to back.
2nd Has a HS, BBIQ my quote said a top center not THE top . The kid has all ready posted a dubble dubble this season . Hell he 4 blocked four shots last night . You compare him to a HS center and you call me rediculous ?
Taking Smack a mistake . SMACK can guard either position and he could play beside either one;you think playing both is stupid but i think it would make a tough front line thet could compeate on a regular basis.
3rd They plan on rolling with Kemba . Did MJ tell you this or was it Salis . Its still over a half a season to compare thease two players. Im sure they will keep DJ if ownership decides hes the better starting core piece. They wouldn't have offered him 3 years 18 mil if they was kicking him out the door at season end. They must of had some plan for him ? Hummmmmmm
REALLY just 3 NBA PLAYERS

[superb1]

Wow, this thread has blow up so fast that it was almost useless to really follow every post. So I will put my two cent in and stand back and watch that rocks be thrown at me. First off, I can understand the frustration after two BAD losses. But we knew we were in for this. My only gripe with the team is the lack of energy in the losses. This team has no passion. I'm afraid this attitude will carry over to when we do happen to acquire some talent and the confidence level will be shot for the guys we do keep. Some free agents will take on playing here if we played like we cared. I not saying we will get them to come here, maybe or maybe not. I should not pretend to know what is going on in the locker room and we all should not either. I thought many of understood what this season meant and were looking forward to the off season. A lot of guys made some great and compelling arguments. But what's done is done. The Feltons, Jacksons, Chandlers and even the wallaces were lot going to lead us to a championship. Wallace for example (god it hurt to trade him) would be at the end of his career by time we would be contending for a championship. It was needed to blow up the team, I suspect we are not done.

Some of us understand and some are plain whining. Not pointing fingers cuz I whine but constantly threads after threads of whine about how bad we are. we know it, MJ knows it, etc. Ziggy should add a category for bitching and moans. Cuz it's alot of it here. OK crucify me now.

[dav7z]

Wow... you can't be serious. Pardon me asking... but... have you ever seen Gerald Wallace play basketball? Tell me you have, and then tell me you still think that. :facepalm:
Mustachio its not worth it ,rookie poster

[dav7z]

Wow, this thread has blow up so fast that it was almost useless to really follow every post. So I will put my two cent in and stand back and watch that rocks be thrown at me. First off, I can understand the frustration after two BAD losses. But we knew we were in for this. My only gripe with the team is the lack of energy in the losses. This team has no passion. I'm afraid this attitude will carry over to when we do happen to acquire some talent and the confidence level will be shot for the guys we do keep. Some free agents will take on playing here if we played like we cared. I not saying we will get them to come here, maybe or maybe not. I should not pretend to know what is going on in the locker room and we all should not either. I thought many of understood what this season meant and were looking forward to the off season. A lot of guys made some great and compelling arguments. But what's done is done. The Feltons, Jacksons, Chandlers and even the wallaces were lot going to lead us to a championship. Wallace for example (god it hurt to trade him) would be at the end of his career by time we would be contending for a championship. It was needed to blow up the team, I suspect we are not done.

Some of us understand and some are plain whining. Not pointing fingers cuz I whine but constantly threads after threads of whine about how bad we are. we know it, MJ knows it, etc. Ziggy should add a category for bitching and moans. Cuz it's alot of it here. OK crucify me now.
Damn nice post

[spectre]

No one was more pissed about grading Crash than I was. It was a bad trade for a guy who'd just made 1st team defense. I see the reasoning tho (money, contender vs. middle of the pack purgatory, etc.) and it's been said many times in this thread. I'm happy that he's now in a winning situation and he gets a sold out crowd at home every night.

I like our rookies and I think with a proper coach that will give them structure they can be much more than what they are now. Y'all discount LB, but remember how we looked before with the streetball under Bermie/FHB and then 2 years later became 1st in the league in D? Yeah, we're back there again.

You guys all know about the no training camp and no practice. Stop selling our young guys short. I'm amazed at these predictions of what Smack and Kemba are going to be. We don't have a clue.

As Adam mentioned above we've made very good moves since Cho came on board. We're actually winning trades now! That hasn't happened since Bernie got Baylor drunk and conned him out of the 2nd pick.

If I'm optimistic about the FO then that should mean something...else you guys have forgotten the lollipop.

[superb1]

Damn nice post thanks for the comment

[SWedd523]

I'm sorry, but what are we now? Worse than mediocre, with no end in sight. Lebron James is not walking through that door. When we have high-caliber players, we need to KEEP them. Find a way to keep them.
The problem is that we really haven't had any high-caliber players yet other than Primoz. We've had a ton of great B/C level role players that would be fantastic on other teams as complementary players, which is why you've seen guys like Crash and Felton excel in other places. Being really bad like we're doing is pretty much the only chance we have of getting high-caliber players..... through the draft.


Trust me buddy, I HATE sucking. Just as much as the rest of us. But I can understand why they're doing it and support the endgame they have in mind.



and bes seems to forget how badly Tyson played when he was here and how badly he wanted to leave.

[Mustachio]

This thread has inspired an avatar change for me.

I would maybe understand all this crybaby shit if these horrible losses were with a full starting squad trying to make the playoffs.... but this is a tanking team. I can't understand how people would think a team that played extensive minutes with Matt Carroll, Gana Diop and Eduardo Najera would be anything less than horrible to watch.

If this is 20 games in... at 60, GOD HELP US. This place will resemble a Mad Max movie.

[bes628]

I don't strike back very often but you are all but calling me stupid.
1st We have like 3 guys thet would get mins on a legit NBA roster
THREE, I can't belive you could even post that . wow Its like Sweed said if you think we suck that bad go find a real team to back.
2nd Has a HS, BBIQ my quote said a top center not THE top . The kid has all ready posted a dubble dubble this season . Hell he 4 blocked four shots last night . You compare him to a HS center and you call me rediculous ?
Taking Smack a mistake . SMACK can guard either position and he could play beside either one;you think playing both is stupid but i think it would make a tough front line thet could compeate on a regular basis.
3rd They plan on rolling with Kemba . Did MJ tell you this or was it Salis . Its still over a half a season to compare thease two players. Im sure they will keep DJ if ownership decides hes the better starting core piece. They wouldn't have offered him 3 years 18 mil if they was kicking him out the door at season end. They must of had some plan for him ? Hummmmmmm
REALLY just 3 NBA PLAYERS
I want it to be made known I was not calling you stupid by any means, I don't hold back my words so If I thought you were stupid I would say it. So if you took it that way I apologize that was not my intention. We're all Bobcat family.

- Outside of Hendo, Augustin, and Kemba. Who on our team would be getting any run on a roster with actual talent ? Maybe Diaw.
- Yes I think we suck that bad, but that doesn't mean im going to switch teams. I grew up on Charlotte Basketball its all I know.
- Yes Smack can block well, I thought I put it in my original post, but none the less. Look at that dude run around out there with his rotations and how he defends people. Dude jumps at everything. Who does that in the NBA ? Not to mention dude has hands of stone.
- Idk, I disagree with him being able to play the 4. He would need to develop some type of offensive game.
- They plan on running with Kemba was probably a bad way to word my intentions, but what I meant was why would they draft a PG where they did, if they didn't plan on moving DJ ?

[Chrystos]

I like what we are doing, but I fear that if things don't shape up in a couple of years, we could be in the sames situation as the Kings.

[Tizzle]

I really don't have anything new to add to the discussion that has not been said already. I kind of just wanted to POP my cherry on the forum , get my first post out of the way, and throw in my 2 cents on "the state of the (bobcat) union". From my POV I am happy with what I see. I came into this season with the assumption we are rebuilding. With that said I am glad to see a lot of our younger guys getting PT. No it is not always pretty and often looks more like street ball at the local YMCA rather than the NBA, but this is what I expected. I feel confident in saying that our future "STAR" is not here yet. But I do feel we are building a great..if not fantastic core of supporting players. Let these guys develop and learn together. Try to grab a futer "STAR" in this upcoming draft or next years draft and see where that takes us. A lot of teams start with a "STAR" player and build around him. I feel like we are building that supporting cast now first and just waiting to drop that "STAR" player into the mix with a supporting cast in place. Be patient Bobcat nation...our future looks bright!

"It may be short...but at least it's skinny!!!"

[Ghost Kat]

I hate Boris Diaw.
Diaw is so gay when they do his player intro's he steps out the closet

[SJackson1]

lets not forget we have two top ten draft picks in Bismack and Kemba and if we can add a 1st pick we would be laughing !

[Chef]

Wow... you can't be serious. Pardon me asking... but... have you ever seen Gerald Wallace play basketball? Tell me you have, and then tell me you still think that. :facepalm:

oooh mustachio! the vaunted "have you even seen the games" insult.

[Chef]

wow Its like Sweed said

finally! someone else wants to call you sweed as much as i do. i must re-type your name more than everyone else combined. i know it is probably name initials, but just change your name already

be the sweed!

[SJackson1]

we need to start passing the ball more instead of just waiting untill theres 5 seconds left and then throwing a brick up !

the first half against Golden State we played some great basketball especially on that Walker 3, about 5 passes in succession and then boom 3333333

[adam187]

we also need more unwarranted pg spins around the top of the key as they bring the ball up.

[Let's Go Cats 218]

I think we all can agree that we all love the Charlotte Bobcats. We all agree that our FO has stunk over the years, which has put us in this position. We just need to let Mr. Cho do what he does, and we need the #1 pick, although I'm not sure who we'd even take... I like the big guy from Kentucky, I like Drummond and Kidd-Gilchrist... outside of those 3, I don't know. We better have a top 3 pick... damn lottery.

[spectre]

Bunch of good posts here in the later stages.

Like LGC said...we're all on the same side here. We have a goal. There's certainly a difference of opinion here on whether we can reach that goal with the path we've taken, but here we are. We made it thru the first few years of pure sucktitude so we're used to it. The new blood in the FO can at least give some hope to us that maybe this time we'll do it right.

[superb1]

I think we all can agree that we all love the Charlotte Bobcats. We all agree that our FO has stunk over the years, which has put us in this position. We just need to let Mr. Cho do what he does, and we need the #1 pick, although I'm not sure who we'd even take... I like the big guy from Kentucky, I like Drummond and Kidd-Gilchrist... outside of those 3, I don't know. We better have a top 3 pick... damn lottery.

I actual wish we can be like the Cavs were last year with 2 top picks. With Cho, anything possible

[Toocool]

Looking at the moves Cho has made, we're already loving him.
Most of us (if not all) supported the Mullens trade and he's been good for us, just needs to learn a lot more about being an NBA big man now.
Smack is already an elite defensive force with a good rebounding rate and a ongoing development for his offense. You can also tell he's starting to really understand the NBA game with help side D and rotations.
Kemba...jury's out on Kemba so we need to give him time.

[spectre]

Looking at the moves Cho has made, we're already loving him.
Most of us (if not all) supported the Mullens trade and he's been good for us, just needs to learn a lot more about being an NBA big man now.
Smack is already an elite defensive force with a good rebounding rate and a ongoing development for his offense. You can also tell he's starting to really understand the NBA game with help side D and rotations.
Kemba...jury's out on Kemba so we need to give him time.

And y'know...I'm very fine with this. Hell, we REALLY wanted Smack, and based off of what we had heard about the guy pre-draft I'm ecstatic with what he's showing. He's not just a pure raw piece of clay...the boy can legitimately stay on the court and make an impact, and at 19 years old! Just that game vs. Dwight is enough to give me mad hope about him.

If you think about it, Kemba is just gravy. We started out with the 9th and the 19th where we'd probably picked up a wing who may or may not make it and with a declining Stephen Jackson who was demanding a contract extension. The tank decision had already been made...so we traded the malcontent for a guy who actually helps our tank while not complaining AND mid lotto pick that has a much better chance of making an impact.

This offseason could have turned out so much worse it's not even funny.

[WAM9]

Hell, we REALLY wanted Smack, and based off of what we had heard about the guy pre-draft I'm ecstatic with what he's showing. He's not just a pure raw piece of clay...the boy can legitimately stay on the court and make an impact, and at 19 years old! Just that game vs. Dwight is enough to give me mad hope about him.


That is what I am talking about!

I learned enough about Biyombo in watching him compete against Dwight in that 1 game to be in the camp that he is going to be special. I mean really special.

Combine Smack with the Mullens deal and I have to say that Cho is batting 1000 so far!

[WAM9]

I don't strike back very often but you are all but calling me stupid.
1st We have like 3 guys thet would get mins on a legit NBA roster
THREE, I can't belive you could even post that . wow Its like Sweed said if you think we suck that bad go find a real team to back.
2nd Has a HS, BBIQ my quote said a top center not THE top . The kid has all ready posted a dubble dubble this season . Hell he 4 blocked four shots last night . You compare him to a HS center and you call me rediculous ?
Taking Smack a mistake . SMACK can guard either position and he could play beside either one;you think playing both is stupid but i think it would make a tough front line thet could compeate on a regular basis.
3rd They plan on rolling with Kemba . Did MJ tell you this or was it Salis . Its still over a half a season to compare thease two players. Im sure they will keep DJ if ownership decides hes the better starting core piece. They wouldn't have offered him 3 years 18 mil if they was kicking him out the door at season end. They must of had some plan for him ? Hummmmmmm
REALLY just 3 NBA PLAYERS

I agree with Dav7z 100% on this one.

[WAM9]

I really don't have anything new to add to the discussion that has not been said already. I kind of just wanted to POP my cherry on the forum , get my first post out of the way, and throw in my 2 cents on "the state of the (bobcat) union". From my POV I am happy with what I see. I came into this season with the assumption we are rebuilding. With that said I am glad to see a lot of our younger guys getting PT. No it is not always pretty and often looks more like street ball at the local YMCA rather than the NBA, but this is what I expected. I feel confident in saying that our future "STAR" is not here yet. But I do feel we are building a great..if not fantastic core of supporting players. Let these guys develop and learn together. Try to grab a futer "STAR" in this upcoming draft or next years draft and see where that takes us. A lot of teams start with a "STAR" player and build around him. I feel like we are building that supporting cast now first and just waiting to drop that "STAR" player into the mix with a supporting cast in place. Be patient Bobcat nation...our future looks bright!

"It may be short...but at least it's skinny!!!"

Good first post and welcome!

[SJackson1]

its hard for Kemba becasue there are no elite shooters around him so when were down big in games (which we have been) he should take shots

[dav7z]

I want it to be made known I was not calling you stupid by any means, I don't hold back my words so If I thought you were stupid I would say it. So if you took it that way I apologize that was not my intention. We're all Bobcat family.

- Outside of Hendo, Augustin, and Kemba. Who on our team would be getting any run on a roster with actual talent ? Maybe Diaw.
- Yes I think we suck that bad, but that doesn't mean im going to switch teams. I grew up on Charlotte Basketball its all I know.
- Yes Smack can block well, I thought I put it in my original post, but none the less. Look at that dude run around out there with his rotations and how he defends people. Dude jumps at everything. Who does that in the NBA ? Not to mention dude has hands of stone.
- Idk, I disagree with him being able to play the 4. He would need to develop some type of offensive game.
- They plan on running with Kemba was probably a bad way to word my intentions, but what I meant was why would they draft a PG where they did, if they didn't plan on moving DJ ?
Thanks,, I think we all hate losing so badly.,,
You say DJ, Kemba,Hendo And was thinking Diaw,[ i know hes playing like crap and i think its on purpose?] I can all so see SMACK geting rotation mins, R Williams, dude can bring it. Maggs, as bad as i hate him could find a position somewhere. And I think DJ White will have a nice carer as a role player. D Brown got picked up quickly by NY last season so i think he could find a place.
Tweener, B Mullens he didn't play at all for OKC but showed good things early in the season . At best i thinking a back up center. Still a great CHO move. Higgins so far i like his game and could be decent to early to tell. He wasn't drafted and was cut so.
Washed up , Carroll though i love the guy, Diop I think hes done too., Eddie all three had a carrer but all three are done now. Thing is we are haveing to eat those old contracts. All three was pre CHO . One could all most add Maggs into this groupe but Cho did get a frrst and no more years in that deal . Once all the crap goes we will have the money to deal . Cho is being very careful as to what we spend early . Thats why DJ was offered 6 mil and White 3 mil. Hes not taking any chances now.

[SJackson1]

Silas probably told Biyombo at the start of the season that he would get limited minutes to start with and so Silas probably told him it doesn't matter if you get PF just try and block everything lol

[dav7z]

its hard for Kemba becasue there are no elite shooters around him so when were down big in games (which we have been) he should take shots

You can tell Kemba gets discusted . Then he starts chuncking it. That makes him look bad ,but right now what can he do. SPECTRE says hes afraid of bad habits and hes right . This is something Salis has to address quickly and stop right away. Im thinking he should play with in his self and just play his game . And no try and do to much.

[SJackson1]

You can tell Kemba gets discusted . Then he starts chuncking it. That makes him look bad ,but right now what can he do. SPECTRE says hes afraid of bad habits and hes right . This is something Salis has to address quickly and stop right away.

spot on !

I'd like to see him drive into the lane and the likes of Hendeson, Mullens Brown be open for a jumper, or take it to the rim more.

If Deron Williams was at Denver he would average 14 asissts per game easily becasue he finds open shooters at the Nets and there the 2nd worst shooting team in the NBA

[dav7z]

when i think it it can't get any friggin worse
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/01/27/2962609/bobcats-diop-to-start-against.html

[dav7z]

I have never seen things worse for the Bobcats
I have never seen this many hurt players , MIGHT AS WELL NAME WHO IS PLAYING.

Maggs , Williams, DJ, DJ White , Mullens, Henderson, is that it ?

[superb1]

we looking like the Panthers did this year.

[SJackson1]

would you play Bismack instead of Dip tonight ?

[QC Thundercats]

when i think it it can't get any friggin worse

This is the most hilarious thing to me:

Projected Starters

PPG
K. Walker - 11.3 :)

M. Carroll - 2.2 :(

D. Brown - 5.8 :mad:

T. Thomas - 6.5 :facepalm:

G. Diop - 0.7 :D



That's gotta be a record for most impotent starting lineup of all time. Basically, it breaks down like this:


NBA 2011-12 Scoring Leaders
1) Kobe Bryant 30.2
2) Lebron James 29.1
3) Entire Bobcats Starting Lineup 26.5
4) Kevin Durant 25.7
5) Kevin Love 25.3

[adam187]

the article also claims matt carroll will be playing in front of "hundreds" of friends and family. i feel like that might be a stretch.

[GoBobs]

Diop is gonna go beast tonight! At least one made jump shot 6 reb and 3 blks, in 20 min!

[superb1]

New lineup tonight for @Bobcats vs Sixers: @GhJr09, @KembaWalker, @theborisdiaw, @TyrusThomas, @sagana7...Henderson back ok!
according to B J Evans via twitter

Rick Bonnell post the same but dollar late as usual

[BETCATS]

Henderson is back before the timetable for his injury and played poorly. Reggie Williams had a serious surgery yet they are bringing him back next week instead of giving him more time. Great plans for laying a solid foundation in our 'rebuilding' process.

[DashGlobal]

Has any team been this bad before?!? I mean WTH. We are getting blown out every game in the FIRST HALF!!!

[Keetch]

So what does a head coach do after getting himself tossed in the first half; on the road?

I'm thinking "Hotel Bar".

"I started a guy at Center, too fat to jump and backed him up with a guy who repeatedly steps away from contact. Hit me again Sam."

[enigmaboy89]

Has any team been this bad before?!? I mean WTH. We are getting blown out every game in the FIRST HALF!!!

Yes the NJ Nets have been awful a couple of season ago, goin on a 17 game losing streak or something.

[Scottley Crue]

Henderson is back before the timetable for his injury and played poorly. Reggie Williams had a serious surgery yet they are bringing him back next week instead of giving him more time. Great plans for laying a solid foundation in our 'rebuilding' process.

I didn't hear what the timetable was for Henderson (really thought it was day-to-day), but for Reggie Williams it was 6-8 weeks. He had his surgery the week before Christmas and if he comes back when they say he will (later half of the road trip), then it will be within that time frame. I highly doubt they'd put him out there if he couldn't go. I'm honestly missing what the problem is here.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

The sky is falling..The Sky is falling...

[CatNation1]

I wonder what it would take to get Jerry Sloan here

These guys need more than confidence or whatever Silas is good for (I know I was praising him a few days ago but I'm souring quickly)

they need basketball education.

[Zoolander]

We tried that with LB. Atleast Kemba and Bis are getting some PT. Not saying Sloan is LB, he did play D. Williams as a rookie, but we had an educated, HOF coach once...

[CatNation1]

I dont think Sloan tears down players like LB. A lot of guys flourished under Sloan. Kemba might not be Nash in passing but Sloan could teach him a LOT about running an offense. A lot more than a bigman like Silas or Silas Jr. whos resume is Ellis and Curry

[DY_nasty]

I never liked Sloan.

Wouldn't be against it really.... just never liked him all that much.

[CatNation1]

I never liked Sloan.

Wouldn't be against it really.... just never liked him all that much.

whats there to dislike? he was almost always in the playoffs with a small market team, young guys developed pretty well, players played hard for him. hes pretty much a perfect coach. i dunno why he would come here though. Maybe since Jordan denied him a title so many times he'll decide to team up with him to get one now :cool:

[skratch]

anybody like Jr Smith?

[SJackson1]

Walker triple double, thats brought some excitment to the team

[bes628]

anybody like Jr Smith?

huge fan. But Im sure im one of the few on here.

[CatNation1]

JR Smiths fat sister is tougher than Boris and Mully combined

we should hire her to be our new Oakley