Corey Maggette = Clutch Man

[SJackson1]

If we had Maggette in the team yesterday we might have won the game becasue he his used to hitting big shots at the end of games. We have had a few close games this season and we have lacked in the final minute or two. I think Maggette will be a huge boost for us when he comes back for precisely that reason, he has had experience of hitting game winners.

Steven Jackson did a great job for us last season hitting big shots to tie/win games at the end and i think Maggette can do the same this season.

[CatNation1]

clutcher injury then

[DY_nasty]

Maggette is a terrible player and only serves a purpose to the team by helping us hit the salary floor.

[BlockParty]

He fixes clutches? 4-speeds and 5-speeds?

[GoBobs]

fail, maggette sucks and stephen jackson sucks too

[SJackson1]

fail, maggette sucks and stephen jackson sucks too

who should be our clutch man then ?

[SWedd523]

We don't have one

[adam187]

shoulda given the ball to walker on that last play vs the wiz, especially since he was having a pretty good game. matt carroll, really? ugh. if walker missed, everyone woulda forgotten about it and just remembered the triple double. if he hits, a top play on sportscenter since it's kemba.

props to carroll for having a pretty decent game too, i just was annoyed he got to take the last shot. i thought kemba had earned it, at least for that night.

[GoBobs]

who should be our clutch man then ?

Kemba Walker is fearless in the clutch. I would go with him.

[Mustachio]

as I recall, Kemba was the main option against the Wiz. He tried to get his shot off, just got suffocated and planted his feet to earlier at the 3 point line. I disagree Sweed. I think Kemba is the clutch guy on the team, and I also think Henderson can hit the big shot. Both want to take it, and thats about 70% of the solution. Kemba can normally get any shot he wants, its just a matter of making it.

Maggette doesn't even factor into the decision.

[bozzy]

Has Maggette actually made a shot this year? All I remember are nothing but bricks then he got injured.

[Talent]

Hard to see on TV, but I was at the game sitting near the court. Kemba was getting held BADLY by wall and the spacing on the floor sucked. The only other player moving was Carroll and Walker saw that and got him the ball. It was the best option there.

[SJackson1]

Hard to see on TV, but I was at the game sitting near the court. Kemba was getting held BADLY by wall and the spacing on the floor sucked. The only other player moving was Carroll and Walker saw that and got him the ball. It was the best option there.

which is why Maggette is such a key player for us in the 4th quarter

[spectre]

Hard to see on TV, but I was at the game sitting near the court. Kemba was getting held BADLY by wall and the spacing on the floor sucked. The only other player moving was Carroll and Walker saw that and got him the ball. It was the best option there.

I've been saying this for weeks. NO ONE will move when the PG has the ball...and this is why Boris is so integral to our offense regardless of how he's playing. I noticed when Carroll first started for Hendo he was continually running off of screens making Nick Young work his ass off.

Main culprits I've seen are Tyrus and Derek Brown. Also belonging to the "my feet are cemented to the floor" club to some extent would be Hendo & DJ White. Hendo does move some, but a lot of times he stays parked watching when he doesn't have the ball. Mully is better than fair but we all know his defensive issues.

DJ has the same problem too.

[WAM9]

Derek Brown should be the president of the "my feet are cemented to the floor" club. Tyrus can be the vp.

I think Hendo moves a little better than you are saying. I do see the difference when Carroll was in that you are talking about though. Remember though, that is Carroll's entire game so he HAS to move to have a chance.

I would like to see what would happen though if we could get all the guys to move/work as hard as Matt does.

[spectre]

Derek Brown should be the president of the "my feet are cemented to the floor" club. Tyrus can be the vp.

I think Hendo moves a little better than you are saying. I do see the difference when Carroll was in that you are talking about though. Remember though, that is Carroll's entire game so he HAS to move to have a chance.

I would like to see what would happen though if we could get all the guys to move/work as hard as Matt does.

I watched Hendo specifically last night. From what I saw, when the ball is coming to him he will move...trying to rub his guy off a screen (the screen may or may not have been intended) and get some daylight to receive the pass. Once he gets the pass he almost always takes the shot. He is the shooting guard so this doesn't bother me that much. When the play isn't going to his side he tends to stand there and watch the play finish out (maybe this is why he doesn't get a lot of boards?).

Compare that to Carroll who was constantly in motion regardless of where the play was developing.

As I said above he isn't the chief culprit, but I feel pretty good in saying he's not helping our issues of movement without the ball.

[Mustachio]

I watched Hendo specifically last night. From what I saw, when the ball is coming to him he will move...trying to rub his guy off a screen (the screen may or may not have been intended) and get some daylight to receive the pass. Once he gets the pass he almost always takes the shot. He is the shooting guard so this doesn't bother me that much. When the play isn't going to his side he tends to stand there and watch the play finish out (maybe this is why he doesn't get a lot of boards?).

Compare that to Carroll who was constantly in motion regardless of where the play was developing.

As I said above he isn't the chief culprit, but I feel pretty good in saying he's not helping our issues of movement without the ball.

I think you are spot on with Hendersons movement. He does stand still when the play or even just the flow isn't moving through him. Not only does that stagnate the offense but it also clues in the defense that the play is for the other side. If Hendo isn't moving don't guard him. I love Henderson but he needs to work on that, and I think he will.

But lets not kid ourselves here.... Matt Carroll should not be on an NBA roster. He can move all he wants, he still isn't good enough.

[spectre]

But lets not kid ourselves here.... Matt Carroll should not be on an NBA roster. He can move all he wants, he still isn't good enough.

Not about to argue that one!

Using Carroll was sort of like "in a vacuum" thing...totally about off ball movement. And I'm not about to say Hendo can't overcome this at all. To get to where we need to be everyone is going to have to get into a "team" concept.

It's certainly not all on Hendo.

[Keetch]

Players may or may not have a tendency to stand around; but whether they do or not is ultimately on the coaches. If players are standing around; then the coaches standing around or sitting on their asses are letting them.

And its good to see some props for Matt Carroll. He really does work his butt off; for better or worse.

[SWedd523]

(maybe this is why he doesn't get a lot of boards?).
Hendo is actually one of the best rebounding guards in the league. He's third among qualified SGs behind only Kobe and Evan Turner.

[WAM9]

Players may or may not have a tendency to stand around; but whether they do or not is ultimately on the coaches. If players are standing around; then the coaches standing around or sitting on their asses are letting them.

And its good to see some props for Matt Carroll. He really does work his butt off; for better or worse.

I agree with this. Ultimately, it probably comes down to coaching.

The only other thought I had on this was that type of 2 guard a player is contributes to the way they move.

I know this is an old school analogy but since MJ is the owner and has evidently been working with Hendo a lot, I thought it was applicable.

Compare the way Reggie Miller and MJ played the position. Reggie worked his ass off moving constantly and coming off screens. Most of the time when he received the ball, he had released it (with a sweet stroke) within 1/2 a second. Now MJ didn't do anything like that. He worked to his spot, got the ball in triple threat position, and went to work.

The reason for this was basically because he (MJ) could do this. He could create his own shot at any time from anywhere on the floor. Reggie needed to work off screens to get open primarily because his jumpshot was his #1 weapon.

This seems very much like Hendo vs Matt. Matt does all this work because he has to. Hendo can get away with not moving the same way, get his spot and go to work. Now I am not suggesting Hendo is even in the same conversation as MJ, just that it seems similar to me. JJ Reddick is a current player that seems to play a lot like Matt Carroll (especially at Duke). Again, I think it is out of necessity and again, his jump shot is his best weapon.

This type of constant movement without the ball is very fatiguing as well and could contribute to a player not being able to lock down his man defensively. Maybe not but it is certainly a thought. Carroll isn't expected to lock down anyone where Hendo is thought of as an above average defender. Same with MJ vs Reggie.

With all that being said, I defintely agree that Hendo, as well as basically everyone on our team, would benefit by moving more.

[spectre]

Hendo is actually one of the best rebounding guards in the league. He's third among qualified SGs behind only Kobe and Evan Turner.

No kidding? Boy, kind of discredits the hell out of my observation skills doesn't it. Funny I didn't realize that one. Obviously I need to focus just on one particular thing each game before anyone can believe what the hell I'm saying.

...and Keetch on the coach? Preach it brother. I've been on that one for a while now

[Chef]

I agree with this. Ultimately, it probably comes down to coaching.

The only other thought I had on this was that type of 2 guard a player is contributes to the way they move.

I know this is an old school analogy but since MJ is the owner and has evidently been working with Hendo a lot, I thought it was applicable.

Compare the way Reggie Miller and MJ played the position. Reggie worked his ass off moving constantly and coming off screens. Most of the time when he received the ball, he had released it (with a sweet stroke) within 1/2 a second. Now MJ didn't do anything like that. He worked to his spot, got the ball in triple threat position, and went to work.

The reason for this was basically because he (MJ) could do this. He could create his own shot at any time from anywhere on the floor. Reggie needed to work off screens to get open primarily because his jumpshot was his #1 weapon.

This seems very much like Hendo vs Matt. Matt does all this work because he has to. Hendo can get away with not moving the same way, get his spot and go to work. Now I am not suggesting Hendo is even in the same conversation as MJ, just that it seems similar to me. JJ Reddick is a current player that seems to play a lot like Matt Carroll (especially at Duke). Again, I think it is out of necessity and again, his jump shot is his best weapon.

This type of constant movement without the ball is very fatiguing as well and could contribute to a player not being able to lock down his man defensively. Maybe not but it is certainly a thought. Carroll isn't expected to lock down anyone where Hendo is thought of as an above average defender. Same with MJ vs Reggie.

With all that being said, I defintely agree that Hendo, as well as basically everyone on our team, would benefit by moving more.

can't say i agree with this. jordan did run off of screens and play through his teammates, but he did a whole lot of iso. alot of the running off of screens was not to catch and shoot but to get the ball where he wanted it. then he went to work.

also, hendo does do a lot of movement. he has at least a few baskets every game from the foul line extended area off of down screens where he curls or pops out and catches and shoots off the pick. the difference between carroll and hendo is that carroll would struggle to break us down off the dribble much less a nba defender so he has to either work off of screens to get open to shoot or shoot set shots but since he is (or was) known as a shooter he doesn't get the open set shot.

i do see alot of jordan's game in hendo. of course hendo is like a third world country's homeless man of jordan but you can definitely tell that jordan is doing some hands on work with him. hendo is not the problem with our offense. our problem on offense is that hendo is the best all around offensive player we have.

[spectre]

also, hendo does do a lot of movement. he has at least a few baskets every game from the foul line extended area off of down screens where he curls or pops out and catches and shoots off the pick. the difference between carroll and hendo is that carroll would struggle to break us down off the dribble much less a nba defender so he has to either work off of screens to get open to shoot or shoot set shots but since he is (or was) known as a shooter he doesn't get the open set shot.

hendo is not the problem with our offense. our problem on offense is that hendo is the best all around offensive player we have.

He does, but it's only when he's expecting/trying to get into position to get the ball. It doesn't help much at all when you're trying to run the overall offense and get guys open. What Carroll does is to constantly keep his defender scrambling to keep up going thru the crowd...disrupting the entire defense.

I also agree that he's our best all around offensive player...but until he works on his movement for the overall benefit of the team's offense I don't think we can be all that successful.

So yeah, I do see it as a problem.

[Chef]

He does, but it's only when he's expecting/trying to get into position to get the ball. It doesn't help much at all when you're trying to run the overall offense and get guys open. What Carroll does is to constantly keep his defender scrambling to keep up going thru the crowd...disrupting the entire defense.

I also agree that he's our best all around offensive player...but until he works on his movement for the overall benefit of the team's offense I don't think we can be all that successful.

So yeah, I do see it as a problem.

i still think the fact that we suck is the biggest problem. hendo would be great with a westbrook type point guard (and no i don't think kemba will be the guy) and a scoring sf like a durant or a scoring big man. point is, hendo has to be your 3rd option if you want to be a serious team. right now he is or should be our first option. basically our problem is we suck. sure we can move around all over the place but that doesn't replace the fact that our players just can't make plays.

[spectre]

i still think the fact that we suck is the biggest problem. hendo would be great with a westbrook type point guard (and no i don't think kemba will be the guy) and a scoring sf like a durant or a scoring big man. point is, hendo has to be your 3rd option if you want to be a serious team. right now he is or should be our first option. basically our problem is we suck. sure we can move around all over the place but that doesn't replace the fact that our players just can't make plays.

We do suck...that's for sure.

I don't watch much of other teams; when you refer to Westbrook I'm thinking you're saying a dominant score first player who controls the ball mostly? They play Sefolosha as a starting 2 guard with Harden coming off the bench. Thabo gets like 4 shots per game. Harden gets more shots but he's coming off the bench, playing a lot (I'm assuming here) with the backups tho I'm sure he's also logging time with the starters.

Which role do you see Hendo fitting in regards to OKC...our 6th man Harden type or our starting SG who looks to defend first and foremost and get "sloppy 2nds" in the shot order?

Apologies if I'm misrepresenting you...just trying to see your point.

[Chef]

We do suck...that's for sure.

I don't watch much of other teams; when you refer to Westbrook I'm thinking you're saying a dominant score first player who controls the ball mostly? They play Sefolosha as a starting 2 guard with Harden coming off the bench. Thabo gets like 4 shots per game. Harden gets more shots but he's coming off the bench, playing a lot (I'm assuming here) with the backups tho I'm sure he's also logging time with the starters.

Which role do you see Hendo fitting in regards to OKC...our 6th man Harden type or our starting SG who looks to defend first and foremost and get "sloppy 2nds" in the shot order?

Apologies if I'm misrepresenting you...just trying to see your point.

i think at this point westbrook shoots as much as he does in part because aside from durant there are no scorers on the floor. i guess a better example would be derrick rose or john wall. i think if he were on okc he would probably get 12-15 shots per game. sef just sucks so bad on offense that there really is no point in getting him the ball to score.

[spectre]

Yeah, but anyone can thrive next to a guy like Rose. I'd love to have him (damn Chicago for jumping us and landing that pick), but odds are we're not going to get that, so the best bet for us is to work as a team unit...hopefully with an alpha dog outta one of the next couple drafts.

Besides, I can't stand 5 guys going 1 v 1 on the court like we've been a lot lately. I want to see some precision plays and that ball a'swinging. Hendo is going to have to learn to play within a team concept...and with a good coach I'm sure he will.

[Chef]

Besides, I can't stand 5 guys going 1 v 1 on the court like we've been a lot lately. I want to see some precision plays and that ball a'swinging. Hendo is going to have to learn to play within a team concept...and with a good coach I'm sure he will.

don't want to rehash an old argument but this could be solved with a real point guard. many of these problems are recent. really getting bad after dj's injury. kemba is a rookie and deserves a lot of room for a learning curve, but he does not run a good offense at this point. he is way too ball dominant, not a great scorer and doesn't see the floor very well. this sets the stage for crap ass offense.

[spectre]

don't want to rehash an old argument but this could be solved with a real point guard. many of these problems are recent. really getting bad after dj's injury. kemba is a rookie and deserves a lot of room for a learning curve, but he does not run a good offense at this point. he is way too ball dominant, not a great scorer and doesn't see the floor very well. this sets the stage for crap ass offense.

So you didn't think we played a lot of 1 v 1 before DJ was hurt? Do you consider DJ a "real" PG? When did that happen?

Movement without (and with) the ball has been a problem with this franchise up and til we brought in Boris. How much do you think DJ has relied on Boris this year and last? Most of the time DJ dribbles it up across the line and then passes it straight to Boris...just like Kemba has been doing since they put him back in the starting lineup.

Unless you get one of the top 3-5 PGs in the league it's always going to be a problem.