Wizards Want Thomas for Blatche

[Scottley Crue]

Per Marc Stein at ESPN...it's #5 on the list:

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-120203-04/nba-all-star-reserve-picks

Blatche is out right now, so if it were to happen, it'd be later. It's interesting, though...would you rather pay the money to Tyrus or Blatche? Man, Blatche is a big knucklehead but he can score which is obviously needed.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

They'd have to give up their 1st otherwise I think we're sending a player with a bad attitude and a bad contract with good defense and sub par offense to a team for a player with a worse attitude and slightly worse contract with terrible defense and ball hogging offense.

this makes sense I think sorry if it doesn't

[Proudiddy]

I was a TT guy for a long time... Not anymore.

I'd jump all over that.

[CatNation1]

they have to throw in a pretty significant sweetner id imagine

[SWedd523]

According to that article, the Wizards want Diaw but are also willing to take on Tyrus. I figure if they really want Diaw then a three team deal would be necessary to move Tyrus somewhere else. I didn't try very hard, but the best I could come up with is http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=89ze29g


Out: Diaw, Tyrus, Augustin ($21m)
In: Barbosa, Blatche ($14m), First Rounder from Wizards

[Black]

No way they give up their pick.

[bes628]

No way they give up their pick.

This. No way they're that stupid.

[CatNation1]

id send them almsot whatever they want off our roster to get their pick. its not like any of our crap is gonna make them any better

[spectre]

According to that article, the Wizards want Diaw but are also willing to take on Tyrus. I figure if they really want Diaw then a three team deal would be necessary to move Tyrus somewhere else. I didn't try very hard, but the best I could come up with is http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=89ze29g


Out: Diaw, Tyrus, Augustin ($21m)
In: Barbosa, Blatche ($14m), First Rounder from Wizards

I like that a lot other than having to take on Blatche, but I think Toronto already has a glut of PFs. They're expecting Valenc.... to come over next year and Bargs to start at the 4. They also have Amir Johnson & Ed Davis.

Maybe we could convince them Tyrus is a 3? Tyrus certainly thinks he is. Either way I agree with the others the Wiz won't part with that pick.

Man I really don't like Blatche. Did you guys see him stare down his coach that last game after he made that shot?

I'd rather keep Tyrus. 5 million extra over 4 years isn't worth it to me.

[ziggy]

I only take Blatche if they are willing to part with their glorious 1st round pick.

Blatche isn't "just" a team cancer, he is a polio encrusted team cancer dipped in hepatitis with sprinkles of syphilis on top.

[Ghost Kat]

This. No way they're that stupid.


It's the Washington fucking Wizards.....think again

[Zoolander]

They are probably saying the same thing about us...

[Plowright]

If you thought Jack was a Prick, wait until you see Blatche, thats all i can say. I just don't want any problem guys near this roster influencing the rookies. TT may suck right now, but at least he isn't being dextrimental to the team

[SWedd523]

If they don't trade the first (this year or future), then I don't like any trade. Any deal with them is contingent on a First coming back.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

blatche provides scoring and is less of a burden contract wise...but is it really worth it when you factor in his attitude? idk about that...he's a high risk high reward guy....maybe silas could be the guy who could change his attitude or MJ.....you never know, all i know is something is different about tyrus from last year.

[Scottley Crue]

I saw this at work and had a quick moment to post it, but not say much about it. I don't know if I'd do it either. I'd need the Wiz's pick to justify it more. On the bright side, it appears Blatche is less salary committed and certainly more offense. On the other hand, Blatche is the standout knucklehead on a knucklehead all-star team. Overall, I believe I'd have to pass on the straight-up deal. This does give a little glimpse as to what other teams think some of our pieces are worth, however.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

if we get their pick then we should do it

[superb1]

If you thought Jack was a Prick, wait until you see Blatche, thats all i can say. I just don't want any problem guys near this roster influencing the rookies. TT may suck right now, but at least he isn't being dextrimental to the team

Now this makes me appreciate TT a little more now. But like everyone said, they throw that pick in, I'm all in. Maybe Blatche can liven things up here. we need some passion here. lol

what about if we had to do this trade http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6015531 and their 1st rounder.

[bes628]

It's the Washington fucking Wizards.....think again

Well said, but not even they can be that dumb.

[DY_nasty]

We are not getting their pick guys.

[TattoodCats4life]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7oc3zxc

That works player/money wise. To make the picks work we trade them the portland pick (2013) for their pick (2012). Then we look to see if we can turn Diaw into a late 1st from a contender who Diaw would help as a 6th/7th man. Say something like our pick (1/2) DC pick (5/6/7), and <contender pick> 19-23.

Then after the lottery we see if someone like the nets wants to trade the DC pick at 5 and a second rounder for their two (right now listed at 7 and 17). Thinking about picking 2 (I won't dream of #1, Stern will find a way to make NOH get that pick mark my words it'll be like the first lotto with the knicks), 7, 17, 22. Barnes, Lamb, Zeller, McAdoo that would be a win,win,win,win draft.

March out DJ/Hendo/Barnes/DJW/Smack. Second Unit Kemba/Lamb/Brown/McAdoo/Zeller

Okay its 6 am and I need sleep and this will probably be revealed to be a stupid dream anyway, we get screwed, we never do the screwing ;)

[ohara831]

There is no way we trade TT to them for Blatche and expect to get that 1st from them. If you are going to demand something like that, even the Wizards would hang the phone up laughing at us.

[CatNation1]

There is no way we trade TT to them for Blatche and expect to get that 1st from them. If you are going to demand something like that, even the Wizards would hang the phone up laughing at us.

yeah but the problem is they dont realize that every team has to mute the phone and call in the whole office to laugh and put them on speakerphone as the Wiz GM tries to sell them on Andray Blatche. dude has one of the lowest values in the league, much lower than even Tyrus.

I mean, Clippers ended up trading the #1 overall pick and Baron Davis for Mo Williams so its not like theres no precedent for something like that

[superb1]

There is no way we trade TT to them for Blatche and expect to get that 1st from them. If you are going to demand something like that, even the Wizards would hang the phone up laughing at us.

I think we may have laughed first when they called and offered Blatche, and can counter with give us that pick and we got a deal. They probably went " get the f!@# out of here" (let me be clear, if Cho answered he laughed, Higgins would probably jumped all over it)

[cltblkhscoach]

Yeah, we'd have to get more than Blatche out of them for sure. At least Tyrus has shown glimpses of coming out of his funk and isn't a cancer. I don't know if a change in scenery would fix Blatche or not....Paul Silas definitely won't put up with that attitude, but he's pushed the right buttons before with a cancer. In the old Hornets days he managed to turn Derrick Coleman into a good player when he was a known asshole for years, so depending on what else we could get I think it's at least worth looking at.

Their 2nd would be like a late 1st right? Would that make it more likely to accept?

[ohara831]

Yep. Their 2nd with the deal would make it a more likely scenario.

[murphman]

Washington would need to sweeten it a little. On paper Blatche's production & his slightly cheaper salary looks good but his attitude and his injury perhaps keeping him out through much of March is too much of a blemish to make this straight up trade. How about:

Washington: TT & Carroll
Charlotte: Blatche, Roger Mason, Hamady Ndiaye & Wizzards 2nd round pick.


Mason is expiring and Ndiaye is on his rookie contract (2nd round pick so each year is not guaranteed). Ndiayes & Blatches salary next season is about the same as TT's so we would, in effect, shed Carroll's 3.5 million next season to open up a little cap room. The thought of having the first two picks of the 2nd round sounds great also. If Washington thought that was too much, we could let them protect the 2nd round pick this draft and instead get their 2013 2nd (since we may not have ours that year due to the Mullens trade).

[Plowright]

I JUST DONT WANT BLATCHE HERE. CAN YOU IMAGINE HAVING TO WATCH THIS GUY IN GAMES AND WATCH ALL OTHER NBA FANS LAUGH AT US FOR TRADING FOR HIM.

SAY NO TO BLATCHE-i will start the campaign now

[superb1]

I JUST DONT WANT BLATCHE HERE. CAN YOU IMAGINE HAVING TO WATCH THIS GUY IN GAMES AND WATCH ALL OTHER NBA FANS LAUGH AT US FOR TRADING FOR HIM.

SAY NO TO BLATCHE-i will start the campaign now

They are laughing now

[Zoolander]

I just don't understand why people think the Bobcats would get the Wizards first round pick this year? On top of that any 1st round pick we get would be lottery protected top 13 next year and every year after reduced. There is no way a GM for a professional NBA franchise would give up a top 3-4 pick this year for TT. Come on guys, I just don't see it.

[Chef]

only way i take him on.

we trade diop (expires next year) and 2 seconds for blatche and their first

or we trade mags, diaw, carroll for blatche, lewis and next years unprotected first.

[SWedd523]

I just don't understand why people think the Bobcats would get the Wizards first round pick this year? On top of that any 1st round pick we get would be lottery protected top 13 next year and every year after reduced. There is no way a GM for a professional NBA franchise would give up a top 3-4 pick this year for TT. Come on guys, I just don't see it.

I don't think people are expecting the pick in the deal. People are saying that the only way they'd do the deal is if they got the pick.

[Dcarnys]

Hope this explains my thoughts on this rather clearly.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_69j7nVK5I7c/TGsaBzDnSQI/AAAAAAAAAyE/L1QcypsIa3E/s1600/ObamaHellNo.jpg

[ohara831]

I am no great fan of Blatche, but TT makes me sick. So I look at the numbers. Both have 3 years on their Contract after this season, but TT will cost his team about $3 mil more over that time. Blatche has a higher PPG avg, higher Reb avg and higher PER. So if a deal was made and we save $3 mil over the next 3 years, I have no problem making the trade. But I trust Cho to be tough. If we somehow got rid of Matt Carroll in the deal also, or got the Wizards 2nd in the 2012 draft, I'd be more than fine with it. The 1st and 2nd or 1st and 3rd of the 2nd round in this draft would likely be turned into a pick in the #22-#25 range. And we could pick up another solid player in this deep of a draft following what will likely be the #1 overall pick. So yeah, if Cho can get a deal done, I'll support him 100%. Because I am nauseated with TT on this team and knowing we have to give Chicago a 1st for it. If he's gone, at least I dont have to be reminded of that horrible trade and subsequent new contract we mistakenly gave him every darn game I watch.

[TheBeagle]

I only take Blatche if they are willing to part with their glorious 1st round pick.

Blatche isn't "just" a team cancer, he is a polio encrusted team cancer dipped in hepatitis with sprinkles of syphilis on top. Yup. Otherwise much rather let Boris expire and possibly amnesty Tyrus.

[QC Thundercats]

From a practical perspective, its probably best long term to let Diaw and Diop expire, and out of anybody to amnesty on the team, it would by Tyrus, as his contract will handicap a rebuilding team going forward.

I would never want Blatche to play on our team, ever. He's like a bad hybrid of Diaw/Thomas, a combination of their worst qualities, where he has the talent to be a really good player, but would rather solely shoot jumpers like Tyrus, and is pillow soft with no fight like Diaw. Wizards fans boo him like Bobcats fans boo J.J. Reddick, and I think the same would happen here.

So if we got Blatche, he should be an instant amnesty candidate, and there would be no point to exchange potential amnesty players unless they agree to send a future pick, give us a one of their young prospects, or take another terrible contract off our books.

And why would Washington do this? When you want to get rid of a player, you have to give up extra to do it. I don't expect to get a Clippers deal like with Baron Davis, but if he is such a cancer, you do what you have to do to get rid of him.

[dav7z]

It sounds interesting and we have no incentive to do it at all. See we can amnesty TT . But i don't think we can Blatche. . Other players, or draft picks, or a third team , would have to be in the mix.

[Boomer]

I bet they want Thomas for Blatche. I want a toilet made out of solid gold but its just not in the cards.