What do the bobcats need to win?

[skratch]

I wasnt believing the hype when ppl kept saying were the least talented team in the nba and the worst ever despite last year the cavs went on a 20 game losing streak but i never saw them get as much criticism as us. And the man whos in the hot seat the most is MJ for allegedly destroying the franchise before it ever began. I kinda feel like this years draft is the last hope for the organization because we've been awful for too long that it seems like if whoever we draft (if we luckly manage to get #1pick because this team has awful luck) then davis would have to be the savior but if he bust then its over. I honestly dont see anybody in this draft that is going to be a franchise savior but thats just me, i think this draft is over hype when it comes to the top 5 but everybody outside of that looks decent (better than last years). If we could do things over again i would of got rid of our picks from last year and traded them for this years, or atleast one of them.

Theres no reason to be losing by 30+ every night means obviously our whole starting 5 shouldnt be starting in the NBA and should be coming off the bench. In a way our starting 5 might be the best bench in the league.

Heres how i see our starting 5, henderson is average at best, maggette been washed up years ago, Diaw sucks, Thomas been trash, Augustin is the only true PG on the team but inconsistent as hell, i have faith in him if he had talent around him, put him in LA i bet he would be a beast, Biyombo is mediocre but hey thats me, hes like 5 years away from being a somebody if developed correctly, kemba... well idk what is he? he has potential to be something special if he can work on his game and if the staff works on his game. To me it seems like everybody we drafted has been either a bust or a role player/average player in this league. I mean look at it, felton? May? Morrison? Okafor? henderson? Augustin? where are they now??? none of them have been successful or been on winning teams, which adds we still havent found our face of the franchise player and we been in this league for 7yrs. Sometimes you have to wonder does our staff care about the players improving? do the players care? because none of our players really improve. Whos developing these guys?

Whoever we draft it will take more then our next rookie to win in this league, as of right now nobodys position is safe. Sullinger would be a a beast if he wasnt so lazy and soft, davis needs some weight but if he can put up 20ppg hes that guy. If we had another pick id take Terrence jones to fill that SF position.

Sometimes its just hard taking the team seriously when you have diop, carroll, najera, on the court

[Brad]

This is the same thing I've been saying for years now. Our talent evaluation seems to be terrible when it comes to the draft. We can't sign quality free agents. We can't even make trades that make sense.

The only think that gives me hope is Cho. I'm hoping he knows what to do to build this team correctly. They'll get rid of the poor contracts and open up cap room to sign some free agents.

Whomever they draft this year isn't going to win them 20 more games by himself. He'll be a piece. They've got a long way to go, and truthfully, the only reason I watch the Bobcats right now is because of Biyombo.

[skratch]

This is the same thing I've been saying for years now. Our talent evaluation seems to be terrible when it comes to the draft. We can't sign quality free agents. We can't even make trades that make sense.

The only think that gives me hope is Cho. I'm hoping he knows what to do to build this team correctly. They'll get rid of the poor contracts and open up cap room to sign some free agents.

Whomever they draft this year isn't going to win them 20 more games by himself. He'll be a piece. They've got a long way to go, and truthfully, the only reason I watch the Bobcats right now is because of Biyombo.


If biyombo can become a serge Ibaka and average 10pts per game we would be nice next would be the center position, If(we get), can Davis play that position and be effective? Next is the SF,SG & PG, can these guys score for once? and run? and do it night after night? when one guy is off can the next guys be willing to step up? that has been the problem since 04, if one man is cold the rest of the team is ice cold, thats where chemistry gets involved something this team always lacked. Can these guys play with effort and be consistent?

Im watching this OKC game and Den game and Kevin Perkins doesnt even have to score and OKC is up on these guys because Durant and westbrook are killing Den by themselves, there combining for 70 points, the rest of the points are from harden and ibaka, unbelievable!! There chemistry is amazing.This man ibaka just got 10 blocks and triple double. bobcats make me sick! You can easily tell Westbrook and durant both come out every game with the mindset of killing the competition.

I dont understand what happened to morrison, I think our scouts and others kept looking into the fact he was droppin 40 on college teams at the mid major level. He obviously couldnt play D, hes slow, his style of play doesnt even look good, idc if he looks like larry bird out there or not its the 21century, playing like larry bird these days doesnt mean a thing to the new school.

[Mustachio]

What do the Bobcats need to win? I don't really know for sure but I do know that it sure as shit doesn't involve this -
If we could do things over again i would of got rid of our picks from last year and traded them for this years, or atleast one of them

I don't think its necessarily bad talent evaluation either. I think its a combination of an expansion franchise mixed in with some bad drafting positions and some pretty bad luck. Don't sit there and pretend that the draft is some exact science because its not. Every pick from Jordan to Adam Morrison is a complete crap shoot. Sometimes you hit, sometimes you miss. The Bobcats have had some crappy draws in the lottery, always a day late and a couple losses short of where we really need to be. Okafor instead of Howard, Morrison instead of anybody, etc. etc. But Morrison being terrible wasn't the Bobcats fault... dude could have scored in the NBA despite crappy defense, he just didn't have the head for the game. It was a miss in the gigantic crap shoot we call the NBA draft. Some of the picks were taken with ticket sales in mind, but every pick was a bonafide lottery guy. I mean its not like Charlotte was the only team in the NBA who had Adam Morrison in the top 5. Everyone thought that he was a lottery pick even if some lucky draftniks thought he may trouble on the defensive end.

You compliment the OKC Thunder but you do realize they got the exact opposite dose of luck we missed out on with Okafor/Howard. Had Portland taken Durant instead Oden, your whole argument is dead. It's all just hindsight history. It hasn't gone our way at all so far, but for the first time ever we might be in the running for a legit pick in this draft and either way we arent hamstrung by a bunch of horrible contracts. Hopefully at least once in our existence the basketball gods will smile down upon us and grant us a little bit of the luck other teams have gotten.

Are the Bobcats really really bad right now. Yes no argument there. But try to look on the bright side for a nano second. We have 2 really good rookies and a couple more young guys that will be good pieces for the rebuild. Thats a good base. We have a really flexible cap situation right now where we can do things we've never ever been able to do. Attendance is up and we have a GM in Cho that is highly regarded around the league. It really isn't the scorched earth, burn the city down, bad situation our record would reflect.

[spectre]

Patience?

BTW...what's a "true" point guard? Someone like Brevin Knight (in other words someone who can't shoot?)?

[Let's Go Cats 218]

1 - Gerald Wallace
2 - Each of our players need to grow 2-3 inches.
3 - #1 pick in the draft for 2 years.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

With all due respect, some of the original post is simply wrong.

Okafor has shown he can be a solid starter for a winning team. Augustin played a lot of minutes for a winning nba team(Remember when Charlotte went to the playoffs as a winning team a mere 2 years ago?).

And didn't Maggette drop 20 points a night 2 years ago before his team moved him to PF and reduced his time? Washed up? He still looks like our best athlete out there.

There have absolutely been some questionable draft picks, along with some bad luck: (Morrison being worse than ANYONE would have predicted. Sean May constantly injured).

I hated the Augustin over Lopez decision, but Lopez has not been a winning factor himself. We're getting the better end of that situation this year.

Let's forget about Emeka, Felton, and May being drafted here. The current front office and Michael Jordan had nothing to do with that. Jordan was brand new on the job when he made the Morrison mistake--the mistake that over half the league would have made at the time.

Henderson has shown promise, and he has been developed some already. He can absolutely start on a good team. He's only scratched the surface.

Kemba and Biyombo were part of our draft talent evaluation process. I'm not the biggest Kemba fan here, but right now he is ranked number 3 on nba.com's rookie ladder. That's not bad for a number 9-10 pick. Biyombo is going to be fantastic barring unforeseen circumstances.

I'll give the original poster this: I don't understand giving Carroll or Najera much playing time at this point.

Terrence Jones is a serious head case. Stay away.

All we have to do is keep giving good minutes to Biyombo, Walker, Henderson, etc. Then draft a Davis, Drummond, or maybe a Sullinger or Barnes next year, and play the heck out of them. The improvement will be dramatic.

If you lack patience with your team, and if you dislike watching young players develop, these Bobcats are not for you. I personally don't have a problem in those areas.

[kjk2241]

Well what they need to do requires sucking for this year and next year which we are well on our way.
1. Draft an allstar next year: Hopefully this will be Davis(I like his game)
2. Not panic and make a stupid trade (Diop, Carroll, Maggette and Diaw are some of our huge expirings in the next couple of yrs. Do NOT trade our expirings for a long contract UNLESS it nets a lottery pick in the draft and even then be frugal)
3. Pick up a FA role player who can teach these guys how to play (cheap and old is fine by me, battier or somebody like that)
4. Our 2013 year we should still be a bottom team so hopefully we are in position to draft another potential all star or amazing role player (Harden)
5. In 2014 we have enough cap room to lock in our key pieces if they are worth it and/or pick up some good/great FAs

That is what needs to happen, whether it does is another story. Now about our horrible drafting. I think we have also been very unlucky.
1. Okafor - ROY who never improved. Consensus #1 or #2. Other option ppl wanted was Livingston who we got later after that horrible injury
2. Felton & May - Great idea to get depth and a PG and PF with chemistry. Other option was combine those two picks for Paul but I hate talking about trades bc that is all hindsight. The only other option for me was Granger instead of May but had "injury" concerns. Ironic huh?
3. Morrison - Consensus top pick. I didnt like it bc I didnt think he was athletic enough but he showed flashes until his injury and we found out he wasnt mentally strong at all. Other option was Brandon Roy who didnt even want to work out for us and his career ended early
4. Brandon Wright and Dudley - Traded for Jason Richardson which ended up being good for us short term. Dudley was great and wish we could have kept him
5. DJ and Ajinca - DJ turned out to be what we needed which was better than Felton. Lopez was the other option but lately has been hurt. Ajinca was a huge risk/reward for us and eventually costed us our 2010(???) pick
6. Gerald Henderson - Looks to be a good pick but time will tell
7. Kemba and Biz - Too early to tell but in limited time they look like pretty good pieces.

Soooo, where was that All-Star that we missed out on that was a sure fire pick? Where we were picking we were always a few spots to high to get the good ones. Yeah yeah we could have traded up but who knows if we didnt try or who would have wanted to trade with us.

tl;dnr

[Veteran_Picksetter]

I dont understand what happened to morrison, I think our scouts and others kept looking into the fact he was droppin 40 on college teams at the mid major level. He obviously couldnt play D, hes slow, his style of play doesnt even look good, idc if he looks like larry bird out there or not its the 21century, playing like larry bird these days doesnt mean a thing to the new school.

Completely disagree. The problem with Morrison was that he wasn't anything like Larry Bird. Bird was a combo forward, an inch taller, stronger/heavier, and he could rebound. Plus he was about as mentally tough as they come--unlike Morrison, who wilted.

Larry Bird would be an MVP candidate in the "new school" game. Do yourself a favor and youtube "Larry Bird lefthanded game". He got so bored at one point in a season that he decided to shoot everything within 15 feet lefthanded. The Blazers were full of athletes and couldn't do a thing with him.

The only thing Morrison and Bird had in common was skin color and the fact that they both played basketball.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

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[skratch]

With all due respect, some of the original post is simply wrong.

Okafor has shown he can be a solid starter for a winning team. Augustin played a lot of minutes for a winning nba team(Remember when Charlotte went to the playoffs as a winning team a mere 2 years ago?).

And didn't Maggette drop 20 points a night 2 years ago before his team moved him to PF and reduced his time? Washed up? He still looks like our best athlete out there.

There have absolutely been some questionable draft picks, along with some bad luck: (Morrison being worse than ANYONE would have predicted. Sean May constantly injured).

I hated the Augustin over Lopez decision, but Lopez has not been a winning factor himself. We're getting the better end of that situation this year.

Let's forget about Emeka, Felton, and May being drafted here. The current front office and Michael Jordan had nothing to do with that. Jordan was brand new on the job when he made the Morrison mistake--the mistake that over half the league would have made at the time.

Henderson has shown promise, and he has been developed some already. He can absolutely start on a good team. He's only scratched the surface.

Kemba and Biyombo were part of our draft talent evaluation process. I'm not the biggest Kemba fan here, but right now he is ranked number 3 on nba.com's rookie ladder. That's not bad for a number 9-10 pick. Biyombo is going to be fantastic barring unforeseen circumstances.

I'll give the original poster this: I don't understand giving Carroll or Najera much playing time at this point.

Terrence Jones is a serious head case. Stay away.

All we have to do is keep giving good minutes to Biyombo, Walker, Henderson, etc. Then draft a Davis, Drummond, or maybe a Sullinger or Barnes next year, and play the heck out of them. The improvement will be dramatic.

If you lack patience with your team, and if you dislike watching young players develop, these Bobcats are not for you. I personally don't have a problem in those areas.

I personally knew in 06 Morrison was nothing special, at the end of the tournament when he broke down crying you could tell what type of player he was, its really not that hard figuring out whos going to be special or not judging at how people carry themselves and there personality. I can honestly sit here and say I knew rudy gay was going to be special because of his character, some ppl you can just tell that there willing to put in the extra work to be great, others are less vocal and no identity which serves most of the team except kemba, kemba is probably the only player on the team who seems like he has the work hard mentality and thats solely because hes a NYer and NYers grow up with that attitude, now its up the management to figure out what pieces he needs around him. not sold on davis yet he can easily become TT & Wright 2.0s, drummond is soft he would be the best player imo if he played like he cared and hes on an awful uconn team that doesnt have guards to set him up, sullinger looks like a hot diaw/bigbaby(looks good), barnes is hype but well see in march whos really the real deal.
I have patience but not when a product is getting blown out by 40 by the half and finish down by 30 when its all said and done? I see there going to be getting top 5 picks for the next 2 years

[dav7z]

I personally knew in 06 Morrison was nothing special, at the end of the tournament when he broke down crying you could tell what type of player he was, its really not that hard figuring out whos going to be special or not judging at how people carry themselves and there personality. I can honestly sit here and say I knew rudy gay was going to be special because of his character, some ppl you can just tell that there willing to put in the extra work to be great, others are less vocal and no identity which serves most of the team except kemba, kemba is probably the only player on the team who seems like he has the work hard mentality and thats solely because hes a NYer and NYers grow up with that attitude, now its up the management to figure out what pieces he needs around him. not sold on davis yet he can easily become TT & Wright 2.0s, drummond is soft he would be the best player imo if he played like he cared and hes on an awful uconn team that doesnt have guards to set him up, sullinger looks like a hot diaw/bigbaby(looks good), barnes is hype but well see in march whos really the real deal.
I have patience but not when a product is getting blown out by 40 by the half and finish down by 30 when its all said and done? I see there going to be getting top 5 picks for the next 2 years

Kemba looked much better than DJ LAST night .Im going to say hes pased DJ by in this short span. Though i think DJ is starting in hopes of a trade . I kinda think Salis jurks SMACK too soon in favor of Diop. SMACK has attitude and learns quick . Thease two just need as much playing time as possable . Screw DJ , and Diop if they not in the long term plans. Barnes looks like a star with his build , stroke , speed , though im not sure about a killer instint i just don't see it. Henderson is solid has a great work ethic and will start for a long time . Though i think hes close to his cyling.

[cltblkhscoach]

The Bobcats need a scorer. Flat out, no doubts about it. I actually hope we don't get the #1 pick because I want to choose between Barnes, Lamb, and that Jones kid from Kentucky. Defense and rebounding is all well and good. I know it's a necessary thing to be great. But we can't pass up a chance to get somebody who can help us average more than 85 points a damn game. But also I agree, we need some real veteran leadership, and Jamison coming back home to provide that makes too much sense. About DJ, second game back and he's probably still rusty. Wednesday night should hopefully be a lot better. Taking a look at the roster, let's see who won't be here next year.

1. Augustin - I think he will be here on the QO for restricted FA. Will still look to move him at the deadline next year.
2. Hendo - Definitely will be here
3. Maggette - Hopefully he will be coming off the bench for our draft pick who should start
4. Diaw - Fat ass is done!
5. Biyombo - Definitely will be here
6. Walker - Definitely will be here
7. R. Williams - Will be here on the 2nd year of contract - moved at next year's deadline?
8. Mullens - Will be here
9. DJ White - Tough call, depends on the draft and if Tyrus gets moved
10. Carroll - Maybe he will do us a favor and retire early, lol but still an expiring next year
11. Tyrus - Stuck with him unless someone does us a favor, we know amnesty won't happen
12. Higgins - Hell to the no
13. Diop - Same shit as Tyrus
14. Najera - Does he expire this year? If so please retire buddy
15. UPS - Will be here

So that's at least 2-3 spots that open up just with expiring contracts. Hopefully that will be 2 rookies and Jamison coming in and Higgins, Najera, and Diaw going out. What other moves need to be made?

[Veteran_Picksetter]

I personally knew in 06 Morrison was nothing special, at the end of the tournament when he broke down crying you could tell what type of player he was, its really not that hard figuring out whos going to be special or not judging at how people carry themselves and there personality. I can honestly sit here and say I knew rudy gay was going to be special because of his character, some ppl you can just tell that there willing to put in the extra work to be great, others are less vocal and no identity which serves most of the team except kemba, kemba is probably the only player on the team who seems like he has the work hard mentality and thats solely because hes a NYer and NYers grow up with that attitude, now its up the management to figure out what pieces he needs around him. not sold on davis yet he can easily become TT & Wright 2.0s, drummond is soft he would be the best player imo if he played like he cared and hes on an awful uconn team that doesnt have guards to set him up, sullinger looks like a hot diaw/bigbaby(looks good), barnes is hype but well see in march whos really the real deal.
I have patience but not when a product is getting blown out by 40 by the half and finish down by 30 when its all said and done? I see there going to be getting top 5 picks for the next 2 years

Don't forget Bismack's work ethic. By all accounts he is outstanding in that area.

You might be right about Drummond. The few times I've seen him, I haven't noticed much of a "motor" in him.

Anthony Davis will be better than Tyrus Thomas and Brandan Wright his first week in the league. He has much broader shoulders/chest than those guys, which will help him put on weight. He also looks even taller/longer than them. He's a far superior shotblocker to Tyrus--yes, even Tyrus. He doesn't seem like a head case the way Tyrus seems to be. His elite defense and great offensive rebounding are skills that translate to the nba.

Since it's so easy to figure out who's gonna be special by the way they carry themselves, how about, at the end of this college season, you predict the eventual in-their-prime nba stats of the top 5-7 picks. I can't wait. I will hold you to your predictions.....

[DashGlobal]

We have got to trade DJ for something of value. Lotto pick or a quality starter in a position of need.

We have 3 players to build around.

Kemba
Hendo
Biz

Hendo can be upgraded imo as he has reached his peak. But until we get something better we cant let him go.

Same thing with Magg.

All the rest need to be traded or let go.

The Anjica and dude from Washington St. were terrible picks.

I dont see a sure fire allstar in this draft. Davis is skinny and doesnt have any post moves. Barnes handle is suspect. Drummond looked an an allstar in hs but hasnt lived up to his potential. Id draft Barnes if it was me.

[Felton for Prez]

Kemba looked much better than DJ LAST night .Im going to say hes pased DJ by in this short span.

Really? I'm very pro-Kemba but as of today, he is not a better player than DJ. I think he will be overtime, but not today.

[bozzy]

To answer the original question, the Bobcats need a starting C, PF, SF, SG, and PG. None of these are on the roster atm. Biz, Hendo, and Kemba are really the only Bobcats that have any type of future with the team.