Charlotte Hornets? Update on Page 9

[Proudiddy]

No, I did not make this petition or have been involved in any way in initiating the movement. I came across this while searching for the Bobcats on twitter today.

While I agree with the reasoning behind it, I feel it is ill-conceived considering I recently read that Stern said the Hornets are about to be sold to a new owner who will have be required by agreement to remain in New Orleans for years to come. If this is the case, the odds of the Hornets name ever coming back to Charlotte went from slim to none.

Regardless, I support the movement for reasons stated in the other thread. At least if there is enough support for the movement, they will re-evaluate the brand situation and we may get a name with a more local feel that will engage even casual fans.

Again, no matter what I'm a Charlotte fan, regardless of the name, but I truly believe this will help our team now and in the future if we re-brand.

Anyway, here are the links...

http://www.change.org/petitions/we-beelieve-charlottetake-back-your-hornets-rename-charlottes-nba-franchise-the-hornets

http://www.facebook.com/pages/We-Beelieve-Charlottetake-back-your-Hornets/110429122320741?sk=wall

[Proudiddy]

Well, this was quite the success, lol.

[bes628]

I'll sign it.

[Bobcat4Ever]

Gah that is such a badass logo.

[CatNation1]

id rather not associate myself with people who refuse to support their local sports team because of the name and colors. pretty womanly

[cltblkhscoach]

I signed it for the hell of it, lol

[Proudiddy]

id rather not associate myself with people who refuse to support their local sports team because of the name and colors. pretty womanly

Well, that's not me, so you're free to associate with me lol.

[Jennings]

I'll sign it. I love the cats, but wouldn't be opposed to changing it to the Hornets. Then again, it's not my money.

[polarcat]

I signed it just because. I'll support this team no matter the name, but if there is any glimmer of hope of not being named the Bobcats, I'll give it a shot. If not, I only lost 28 seconds of my life signing that petition. Whatevs.

[Toocool]

Hornets really mean that much to you guys huh?
Carolinas really steeped in tradition, in some ways I would say 'isn't it time you guys embrace change?' but at the same time it also is pretty cool, how you guys have such a strong love and passion for the Hornets that you cant bear to see them anywhere else but Charlotte.

[spectre]

Hornets really mean that much to you guys huh?
Carolinas really steeped in tradition, in some ways I would say 'isn't it time you guys embrace change?' but at the same time it also is pretty cool, how you guys have such a strong love and passion for the Hornets that you cant bear to see them anywhere else but Charlotte.

Hell TC, we still can't get over the fact we lost the War of Northern Aggression...and that's been like 160 years ago.

[SWedd523]

"War of Northern Aggression."

I had a classmate call it that the other day in Southern Politics. Got a nice little chuckle out of it.

[Plowright]

I don't think I can really understand not being from the Carolinas so i am going to sit this one out and abstain my vote

[Dcarnys]

It would be awesome to see the Hornets name come back but I'm fine regardless as long as the NBA has a home in Charlotte.

[Mustachio]

With the news that Seattle is trying very hard to get a self funded stadium built for an NBA team... the dream lives.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2017544323_arena19m.html?prmid=4939

Seattle gets the New Orleans Hornets* franchise (relinquishing the NBA from owning a team) goes back to the Sonics. Charlotte gets the Hornets back. Win. Win.

*going to be really pissed when New Orleans keeps a franchise and Seattle gets the Bobcats.

[Chef]

i think we should go totally unPC and go with the Charlotte Lucky Strikes

[Felton for Prez]

Hornets really mean that much to you guys huh?
Carolinas really steeped in tradition, in some ways I would say 'isn't it time you guys embrace change?' but at the same time it also is pretty cool, how you guys have such a strong love and passion for the Hornets that you cant bear to see them anywhere else but Charlotte.

It means so much to the people of Charlotte that, in the end, they wouldn't support the team because they hated the owner causing the team to leave.

But hey, they like the logo and pukey teal so let's try to get back what we pushed out of town years ago.

This just feels like calling up the girl you bitterly dumped and begging her to take you back.

It's time everyone moved on. PS: I don't love the Bobcat name but it's the team here now so I'm all in. And the color scheme is much more appealing than teal and purple. Miami Vice is not on TV anymore.

[Mustachio]

It means so much to the people of Charlotte that, in the end, they wouldn't support the team because they hated the owner causing the team to leave.

But hey, they like the logo and pukey teal so let's try to get back what we pushed out of town years ago.

This just feels like calling up the girl you bitterly dumped and begging her to take you back.

It's time everyone moved on. PS: I don't love the Bobcat name but it's the team here now so I'm all in. And the color scheme is much more appealing than teal and purple. Miami Vice is not on TV anymore.

Lets get something straight bud. The people of Charlotte didn't push George Shinn and the franchise anywhere. He wanted to build a stadium with more box seats, the city didn't think it was necessary. Shinn took his toys and left. Shinn is an evil bastard, who basically held the city ransom with a franchise and oh by the way was in the middle of a rape trial... don't put this on the City of Charlotte.

and saying they didn't support the team is borderline ridiculous. Attendance never dropped below a 15k fan average from 88-01. In fact it was around 23K (thats fucking enormous) for most of the first 10 years. And after the 98 season attendance started to go down a little, but mostly in accordance with the rest of the league, as that was a bad time for B-ball in general. The last year the Hornets were in town, was the 01-02 season right in the middle of Shinns trial, and ransom holding for a new arena. Attendance dropped that year to 11,500 average, basically because we all kind of knew it was gone at that point.

This feels nothing like calling up the girl you bitterly dumped and begging her back. A better analogy would be some scumbag business man kidnapped your girlfriend and held her hostage in a new arena/town, before eventually crapping out on that new arena/town as well, then asking nicely if maybe just maybe she wants to come back home.

[Proudiddy]

Lets get something straight bud. The people of Charlotte didn't push George Shinn and the franchise anywhere. He wanted to build a stadium with more box seats, the city didn't think it was necessary. Shinn took his toys and left. Shinn is an evil bastard, who basically held the city ransom with a franchise and oh by the way was in the middle of a rape trial... don't put this on the City of Charlotte.

and saying they didn't support the team is borderline ridiculous. Attendance never dropped below a 15k fan average from 88-01. In fact it was around 23K (thats fucking enormous) for most of the first 10 years. And after the 98 season attendance started to go down a little, but mostly in accordance with the rest of the league, as that was a bad time for B-ball in general. The last year the Hornets were in town, was the 01-02 season right in the middle of Shinns trial, and ransom holding for a new arena. Attendance dropped that year to 11,500 average, basically because we all kind of knew it was gone at that point.

This feels nothing like calling up the girl you bitterly dumped and begging her back. A better analogy would be some scumbag business man kidnapped your girlfriend and held her hostage in a new arena/town, before eventually crapping out on that new arena/town as well, then asking nicely if maybe just maybe she wants to come back home.

My name is Proudiddy, and I approve this message!

Amen to that Mustachio.

And fellas, I'm one of the most progressive, radical-minded guys that I know... So this has nothing to do with any Southern-tinged idealism, it has to do with pride.

Again, I support our team no matter what their name is, but the Hornets gave the community a sense of pride. The Hornets represented the community, and we gladly represented them. Now we're stuck with a name that is the the constant reminder of an owner who was esentially a real estate developer that filled his mini-malls up with fly-by-night kiosks, then gets mad because no one bought in. I actually thought MJ would re-brand on his own to break clean from the past regime, as business savvy as he is.

And I had no idea until I came across this petition that New Orleans fans have actually had some very intense discussion about wanting to change their name from the Hornets as well. I thought they were happy with their stolen identity... Not so.

I really hope it works out where we can get it back - and now seems a better time than ever considering MJ is tight with Stern and Stern is basically the owner of the Hornets. Additionally, MJ vented some frustration in that recent article at how the Hornets were #1 in attendance all those years but the Cats can't seem to get the same support... The name is a huge part of it in my opinion. I'm telling you, I can feel so much animosity from even Bobcats fans when it comes to the name, brand, and how we've been treated throughout the existence of the franchise - the name give the team a new identity and chance to start over.

[Felton for Prez]

Ok Bud, I have lived in Charlotte for 14yrs. I was here when they were selling out every night. I was here when they left. The fans were awesome for 10yrs, I agree. They were not in the end. They could've figured out a way to keep the team but they gave up and let him walk. They let the entire team leave because of a spat with the owner and thus let the "tradition" walk away and the perception was good riddence. The stadium Shinn wanted got built anyway. Well played CLT, well played.

Win games on the court and no one will care what the name is. Let it go.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

I wonder how the NO fans must feel about having the jazz name in Utah, I don't particularly care what the Bobcats are called although I do agree Hornets has increased marketability.

[Mustachio]

Ok Bud, I have lived in Charlotte for 14yrs. I was here when they were selling out every night. I was here when they left. The fans were awesome for 10yrs, I agree. They were not in the end. They could've figured out a way to keep the team but they gave up and let him walk. They let the entire team leave because of a spat with the owner and thus let the "tradition" walk away and the perception was good riddence. The stadium Shinn wanted got built anyway. Well played CLT, well played.
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That is just flat wrong. Shinn had all the power. He owned the franchise and the rights to the name, build me a stadium or I'm gone. You are saying that Charlotte gave up and told him "screw it we don't even like the Hornets". Which is wrong and proven wrong by numbers. Shinn was in a rape trial, and demanding that the city pay for his new stadium. No help from him, just build it for me with tax money and I'll keep it here. Which is a ludicrous suggestion. You are suggesting that Charlotte gave up on the Hornets because they refused to negotiate with a rapist ransomer. They could do nothing and as long as Shinn was attached they wanted no part of it. Some investor groups tried several hail mary attempts to buy the team from him if I remember correctly. And not to mention Charlotte proposed an Arena to Shinn which kept the team here for the final year. Then some city leaders thought it was screwed up that people were getting fired but the city was gonna build a stadium so that plan fell through and Shinn took his franchise and left. It was Shinn's decision alone. Don't blame Charlotte. We just want the name that he stole back.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

To be honest Shinn leaving worked out pretty well would you have really wanted the Charlotte franchise run by him and after he left the NBA (David Stern). We'd be pretty much in the Hornets situation which doesn't really look to good.

[Toocool]

Hell TC, we still can't get over the fact we lost the War of Northern Aggression...and that's been like 160 years ago.

American Civil War?
Carolinas were part of the Confederates?
Not my area of expertise in history.
I know a lot more about Medieval Europe History, especially the Crusaders (I find it extremely interesting).

[spectre]

American Civil War?
Carolinas were part of the Confederates?
Not my area of expertise in history.
I know a lot more about Medieval Europe History, especially the Crusaders (I find it extremely interesting).

Based on records at the time NC lost more men than any other state in that war.

And yes...Southern by the grace of God. Thank goodness too; I hate cold weather.

[polarcat]

Ok Bud, I have lived in Charlotte for 14yrs. I was here when they were selling out every night. I was here when they left. The fans were awesome for 10yrs, I agree. They were not in the end. They could've figured out a way to keep the team but they gave up and let him walk. They let the entire team leave because of a spat with the owner and thus let the "tradition" walk away and the perception was good riddence. The stadium Shinn wanted got built anyway. Well played CLT, well played.

Win games on the court and no one will care what the name is. Let it go.

I disagree with this statement. In sports, the one rule of thumb is that the fans have a way of helping change a franchise that is being run poorly......hit the owner in the pockets. That is exactly what this town did. If as a fan you are unhappy with the state of the franchise and want change, you stop going. You make the franchise lose dollars at the door, concessions, stop buying their jerseys, apparel, etc. Either way the break-up between the city of Charlotte and the Hornets/Shinn was sour. I never understood why the arena was put way out off Tyvola in the first place rather than in the city part of Charlotte, but I've only been in this city for 3 years, so I'm assuming in the late '80's this town looked a lot different. I was a rabid Hornets fan since their inception and it hurt my soul when they left NC. And this is coming from someone that dislikes 90% of Charlotte sports fans. For the most part, this is a fair-weathered city that only supports a winner, most go to Bobcat and Panther games to be seen rather than enjoy the actual sport (B of A Stadium is one of the worst experiences for a true sports fan), and there are a lot of conservative rules at both venues in Charlotte that take away from the fun. I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings, but my guess is anyone on this board, CarolinaHuddle, etc. are not in the 90% that I mentioned, so hopefully no feelings got hurt. :)

[Proudiddy]

I tried to post something, and I was wrong, so this is edited to this sentence.

[cltblkhscoach]

The 1987 mayoral election I think this was a major issue. Incumbent Mayor Harvey Gantt wanted it downtown, while the challenger Sue Myrick, wanted out on Tyvola "with the people". Myrick won the election, and of course it was built out there. Now I was like 6 at the time, lol, but that's what I remember. And God yes, back in these days Charlotte was Greensboro, 485 didn't exist, and Ballantyne wasn't even a word, lol.

[Chrystos]

I have lived outside of Charlotte for a couple of years now. The sad thing is I've seen more Hornets gear then Bobcats gear here. I swear I can count the amount of people I've seen wearing Bobcats gear with one hand. I don't know what it was like in NC when the Hornets were around because I lived in Florida at the time and I was pretty young, but I keep on hearing how they had so much support. I signed it because the name Hornets seems to have a hell of a lot more respect then the Bobcats. And because the name and color scheme sucks right now.

[bes628]

Just found my old Charlotte Hornets snapback from the 90's autographed by Dell Curry. Good Times.

[Ghost Kat]

I voted and facebooked that bitch. Bring back "The Hive"

[Proudiddy]

It seems to be picking up some momentum, and even though I thought all hope was lost if Stern actually did find a new owner, apparently it isn't. According to the We Beelieve facebook page, he now has New Orleans fans petitioning and promoting the movement themselves so that they can re-brand to something they prefer. How awesome would that be?

They also said one guy posted the link to the petition on the Bobcats facebook page and it was quickly deleted.

Then they posted it on the New Orleans page, and amazingly, it's still there and filling up with comments. Seems like their may be a sliver of hope.

[Proudiddy]

Another update of awesome: They've been emailing NOLA and Charlotte papers and sports writers and now Tom Sorenson is doing an article on changing the name back to Hornets tomorrow. I really hope it all comes together.

[WarioVsMooChicken]

This local fans who don't care about the team, but want the name changed sicken me. The Bobcats and Hornets are 2 separate teams and franchises. THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER BESIDES LOCATION.

We suffered as Bobcats, we should win as Bobcats

[dnbman]

We suffered as Bobcats, we should win as Bobcats

Here, here! To me, the name has nothing to do with Bob Johnson anymore. The Bobcats are our identity and we should continue to groom that identity.

[Nata Fresh]

The thing that bugs me the most about this petition is that it negates all the good that Bob Johnson did do here.....the locals who didn't want the arena, are probably enjoying the epicenter and all the business it brings...which was brought by TWC. And more importantly, if we're really gonna be honest with ourselves, 90 percent of these folks who want the name changed aren't and probably will never support the Bobcats anyway...

[SWedd523]

90 percent of these folks who want the name changed aren't and probably will never support the Bobcats anyway...

Key point right there.


As soon as the name changes, they'll complain about it being downtown, or paid for by tax dollars, or not good enough, or owned by a black man.

[CatMan72]

Ok Bud, I have lived in Charlotte for 14yrs. I was here when they were selling out every night. I was here when they left. The fans were awesome for 10yrs, I agree. They were not in the end. They could've figured out a way to keep the team but they gave up and let him walk. They let the entire team leave because of a spat with the owner and thus let the "tradition" walk away and the perception was good riddence. The stadium Shinn wanted got built anyway. Well played CLT, well played.

Win games on the court and no one will care what the name is. Let it go.

Yup, we could have kept the team by allowing ourselves to be blackmailed by a rapist... nobody had a problem with the Hornets, the problem was Shinn and he ran himself out of town.

[CatMan72]

I support this, because the Hornets were our original team... Charlotte is the "Hornets Nest" for god's sake!

I have nothing against the Bobcats and will continue to support them either way, but for many of us the Hornets were our "first love" and the Bobcats will always feel like a replacement. In their relatively short time, the Hornets became iconic, the # 1 selling snapback hat is the Hornets hat because it's an instant classic. They were the first pro team in town and in many ways put Charlotte on the map.

[Dcarnys]

I hear ya CatMan.
I signed the thing not really because I was a Hornets fan back in the day (I wasn't) but it sounds like this is whats best for Charlotte Basketball. Hornets, Bobcats, Cougars, Flight, Dragons, Baby Punchers I'll love this team. All that matters to me is that the name in front is Charlotte (or Carolina).

[Proudiddy]

Key point right there.


As soon as the name changes, they'll complain about it being downtown, or paid for by tax dollars, or not good enough, or owned by a black man.


I must fall in the 10% then, because I support the Bobcats, I've just never felt the name fits us. People can argue about it all day until they're blue in the face, truth of the matter is, this wouldn't keep coming up if there wasn't a sentiment that change is needed.

New Orleans' fans have been debating a rebrand on their own for years now. Why? Because a lot of their fans don't relate to the Hornets name, but they pull for them because they're their team. What does all of that mean? You can still fully root for your team and still want a name change that is more endearing to you and makes you feel like a apart of it.

My name isn't Bob Johnson. He treated us like crap. He set up our franchise for disaster from day one. Yet, I should have to think of a man that sent our team on month long away trips so his daughter could ride equestrian everytime our team's name is mentioned? No.

The community identifies with Hornets. I'm here for the longhaul, whether the the Cats, Hornets, or Sh*tbags... But, I promise you, if we rebranded to the Hornets, and possibly any other name, our fanbase will increase exponentially. And that, is nothing but good for OUR team.

[Proudiddy]

The movement is gaining momentum by the second. The petition has already surpassed 1,500 signatures and now, after two stories on the Observer this week and multiple interviews on local radio, the movement has made it to "cover story" status on WBTV. The link contains awesome video and in the report they say they've already talked with Bobcats sources about possibilties.
http://www.wbtv.com/story/17050266/hornets-fans-push-to-bring-the-name-back-to-charlotte-basketball-team

[Toocool]

Based on records at the time NC lost more men than any other state in that war.

And yes...Southern by the grace of God. Thank goodness too; I hate cold weather.

Bunch of church going badasses aren't ya.

[Jerp]

well, I signed it...
go me

[spectre]

Bunch of church going badasses aren't ya.

Damn right. No gay marriage loving God hating liberals need apply.

[Felton for Prez]

I must fall in the 10% then, because I support the Bobcats, I've just never felt the name fits us. People can argue about it all day until they're blue in the face, truth of the matter is, this wouldn't keep coming up if there wasn't a sentiment that change is needed.

New Orleans' fans have been debating a rebrand on their own for years now. Why? Because a lot of their fans don't relate to the Hornets name, but they pull for them because they're their team. What does all of that mean? You can still fully root for your team and still want a name change that is more endearing to you and makes you feel like a apart of it.

My name isn't Bob Johnson. He treated us like crap. He set up our franchise for disaster from day one. Yet, I should have to think of a man that sent our team on month long away trips so his daughter could ride equestrian everytime our team's name is mentioned? No.

The community identifies with Hornets. I'm here for the longhaul, whether the the Cats, Hornets, or Sh*tbags... But, I promise you, if we rebranded to the Hornets, and possibly any other name, our fanbase will increase exponentially. And that, is nothing but good for OUR team.

While I think its beyond sad that people will only support a team based on the name and colors (not suggesting that's the case on this board), I'm beginning to come over to this side. I'll be disappointed, my son's first game was when he was was 1 month old. We continued to be season ticket holders seeing most games together until he was 4. We still watch most of them together at home. He loves Rufus. My 2yr old daughter can say Go Bobcats more clearly than she can say a lot of other things.

I think most of the people that want the switch back to Hornets is because that's what they grew up on and I get that. It makes me sad that I'll have to start over with my kids.

That, and teal and purple are just awful.

Ziggy - better go out and register the hornetsplanet.com URL, just in case.

[Proudiddy]

LOL, good post FFP. I think that's a huge part of it man. Not only was the name an identifier for the area, but now, for people in their 20s, our first fondest basketball memories are of the Hornets. I have no problem with moving on, because I support our team as-is... but if it's possible to bring back some of that magic that I remember from my childhood, then we should do it.

And again, I really feel the change would bring in droves (pun intended) of fans that haven't had anything to do with the Cats. I don't care if they are fairweather, if they care about the Hornets name that much, it could do nothing but but for our franchise.

And I totally understand about the stuff with your children. My son is 3 but he doesn't really understand anything about teams, he just knows it's basketball. But, almost every kid I knew growing up thought Hugo was the coolest mascot ever outside of Benny the Bull. I used to kill it on NBA Jam with Hugo, lol.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

I never lived in any part of North Carolina but somehow felt a connection to your state and city through NBA expansion into the city of Charlotte and me reading about the basketball tradition of your state. I hated the Tarheels leading up to the NBA expansion but as a result of the Hornets I also started to support the Tarheels. I was not into sports enough to be a part of the Dallas Mavericks when they were added to the league in 1980. So for me in my brief sports journey from 10 to 16 I was witnessing pro basketball expansion for the first time. I read on all the teams entering the league and I was loving the process of newness. I wanted to be a part of something literally from the ground up. North Carolina and it's love of college basketball made the city a real interest for me. The NBA seemed like something tailor made for Charlotte and North Carolina.

I first had to listen to games on a radio here in north east Texas that picked up Hornets games. Not visually being able to watch games I listened to the broadcast on radio and heard the loud and rocking arena during games. Occasionally ESPN would show the expansion teams some respect and show highlights. I myself loved the colors of the team, the name and the cool logo. I am a big fan of Teal and though not a Hornets color I also like turquoise. Anyway I followed the team for 14 seasons before the team was moved next door to Louisiana. Though I wanted to support the Hornets in New Orleans it just did not seem right. I expected your state and biggest city to get a new team through either expansion or relocation and when that happened I was going to support it. When you quickly got a team I was hoping the Hornets name colors and logo would stay but when the Bobcats name, colors and logos were chosen it did not matter I was going to support them. I did then and still do.

None the less I feel the Hornets name, colors and logo belongs in Charlotte and if the NBA would really do right they would work a deal with Utah to re brand and return the name Jazz to New Orleans where the name actually makes sense. The colors and logo should change. I do not think of Jazz music when I think of Utah and to have that city keep that name was really stupid in my opinion. I would rather Utah be named the Cougars or Eagles or Rams or something of that nature. Utah Express? I doubt Utah gives up the name Jazz but at least New Orleans could re brand and the Hornets name, colors and logo could go back to Charlotte. I am for it.

[ammofan]

I want the Hornets name back if at all possible. I am 100% behind changing the name back. It would be a huge change financially, etc but it would be worth it imo. I don't really dislike the Bobcats name but the name has alot of negativity behind it. Hornet's is our name and everyone loved the Hornets. The colors were great, the hive was the best place in the Queen City, Hugo was the best mascot....the list goes on.

I would love to walk into TWCA a couple seasons from now and see a modernized version of this court:
http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww11/67turkey142/Vector%20courts/Charlotte1998.png

[SWedd523]

Let's not act like the Hornets name has no negativity behind it

[Mustachio]

Let's not act like the Hornets name has no negativity behind it


sure there was negativity behind the Hornets name. but he sold the Hornets in April 2010. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-hornetsnba120710

[SWedd523]

sure there was negativity behind the Hornets name. but he sold the Hornets in April 2010. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-hornetsnba120710

And Bob Johnson sold the Bobcats in February 2010
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-02-27/sports/27057553_1_nba-owners-george-postolos-top-basketball-executive

so if we're going to use Johnson as a source of negativity for the Bobcats brand then we should do the same for Shinn and the Hornets

[Talent]

I did not live in NC when the Hornets were here. I have 0 loyalty for them and would hate a name change.

[King Taharqa]

my little nephew is 6 years old. All he knows is the Bobcats. He's never been to Hornets game, doesnt even know who they are. So imagine me telling him he gotta rip up all his Bobcats gear and erase all the memories of the games he's been to because some 30 year olds dont want to support their local team. Or they're still holding a grudge with Bob Johnson, all the while telling you they hate Shinn more (yet they want his business back badly). Or for whatever reason. The logic of telling the 8 year old Bobcats they should be a failed business name is stupid and wont work. And best believe, the Hornets are a failed business in Charlotte. They didnt work. Couldnt get an uptown arena built, couldnt compete with the Panthers. There were more people at the last Bobcats playoff game than there were at the Hornets last playoff game in Charlotte. Faaaar more. They also have no allegiance to this area. Its been over a decade since they were here (many people have moved here or been born since then) and they've played in 2 cities since (OKC, NO). They arent unique to Charlotte anymore.

The Hornets mitchell and ness line is hot right now, but how bout their regular jerseys? Go into a sports store right now and ask for a Chris Kaman jersey or ask for a Trevor Ariza jersey so they can laugh at you. The Hornets brand is a joke. No one wants to play for them, they are not visible. Yet, we're supposed to believe if we beg for them back all this prosperity will come to us! All the players will come play for us! All the old fans who've been hibernating for 8-10 years will come back out! LOL. Its funny. The Hornets are no longer a part of this community. The Bobs are. Im about to go downtown and celebrate CIAA. I wont see a single purple hornet on a sign. I wont see a single purple hornet at the arena. All I see everywhere I go in Charlotte is that blue and orange cat. All I see reaching out to the local YMCA's and schools is the Bobcats, not the Hornets. They are in NO.

Seeing Charlotteans and Carolinians puff up a Louisiana franchise over their own is embarassing. I bet dudes in New Orleans are laughing at the few of us coveting a franchise they dont even want anymore!

[King Taharqa]

also want to add the title of this thread is flawed "Bobcats name back to Hornets"

The Bobcats were never called the Hornets. Bobcats is the original name of this franchise. It'd be like saying the Philadelphia 76ers need to go back to being the "Warriors" as the now Golden State Warriors franchise was in Philly (1946-1962) prior to the 76ers arrival (1963). Imagine people in Philly crying and demanding the blue/yellow color scheme and logo be returned to their city since they grew up on it. "WE SHOULD BE THE WARRIORS NOT A CRACKED BELL!"

[Icky Thump]

I highly doubt this is even viable considering the cost. It's not of major importance to me but I'll admit I never liked the former owner virtually naming the team after himself and then bumbling his way through the critical early years of the franchise and now we're stuck with that reminder.

The colors are not a major issue outside of them not really being unique like the Hornets (like them or not).

[Toocool]

my little nephew is 6 years old.

Absolute Champ of a nephew you got mate.

In terms of you're stance on it, props for the well constructed argument.
It really does seem that it's hit and miss, both have reasons for changing back to hornets/keeping Bobcats.

One thing we should do though, is ditch both the Hornets and the Bobcats colour themes. They made the right decision going more white+blue than orange, that's for sure.

[spectre]

Honestly I was just so ecstatic to be getting another team I was more than willing to ignore a lot of things. I realize he stepped on toes in Charlotte but Johnson never bothered me; he was willing to spend money...main thing was the guy he had in charge (both times).

[skratch]

After reading the comments about the 6 and 8 year olds i must say, a name change is stupid at this point

[Nata Fresh]

You know what the funny thing about Charlotteans and Bob Johnson, is that if anything Charlotteans should be THANKING him, without the Bobcats and TWCA, there's no Epicenter, no NCAA regional games, the CIAA doesn't make it's permanent home here and I HIGHLY doubt the DNC comes here....

[King Taharqa]

You know what the funny thing about Charlotteans and Bob Johnson, is that if anything Charlotteans should be THANKING him, without the Bobcats and TWCA, there's no Epicenter, no NCAA regional games, the CIAA doesn't make it's permanent home here and I HIGHLY doubt the DNC comes here....

Shhhhhhh!!!!

Quiet quiet now.

Charlotte is going thru a transitional period. The city has become a very progressive hotbed and it is beginning to show in our sports teams. I think Bob Johnson came about 6-7 years too soon. This city wasnt ready for a guy like him at the time. But I thank him and appreciate him bringing NBA basketball back to my city. Its a hell of a lot better than just having 1990's Charlotte Hornets 1st round war stories to live on.

Im also thankful he was able to get the stadium built downtown in the heart of Charlotte. When the Hornets were thriving here it was out in South Charlotte off Tyvola. Charlotte Coliseum never brought the growth and prosperity to that area that TWC Arena has to Downtown Charlotte. NEVER!!! Thats a big reason the Hornets were so big. There was no downtown Charlotte, or NFL team, or major malls to compete with. If you wanted to be seen, that was it. That was the spot. In 2012, that just isnt the climate here anymore. Charlotte has grown tremendously, and it will continue to grow in the foreseeable future. Its a beautiful time in Pantherland/Bobcatland/Meck County, whatever you want to call it.

[Proudiddy]

KT, we usually agree on most things, but not on this.

The desire of wanting the Hornets name back has nothing to do with the Hornets franchise. That brand of Hornets is not the CHARLOTTE HORNETS.

We would've never evenhad these problems to begin with if the public didn't take Shinn's personal shortcomings to heart. I was too young to be involved in any of the issues there at the end of the Hornets tenure here, nor do I live in Charlotte, so I wouldn't have had much say. But, I really wish politics wouldn't have gotten in the way of keeping the Hornets here.

The point is, yes, I appreciated what Bob Johnson did in bringing a franchise back to Charlotte quickly after the Hornets departure. But, he looked at it as an investment to make him money, rather than something he would have to cultivate and infuse into the community. He failed as an owner, point blank. He was horrible. It has nothing to do with being progressive or some ignorant redneck conservative saturated region. I was proud to have the first minority owner in sports here, but sucking as an owner has nothing to do with that. He just sucked.

Sure, he got an arena built where the Hornets didn't, but that was because politicians and Shinn were having a "who has the bigger balls?" faceoff, and the city was determined to show him up for what they viewed as a personal insult towards them. It was retarded. If Shinn would've stayed on his p's and q's, the Hornets would've had a new arena in the same spot.

So, thanks BJ for the arena, oh yeah, and the crappy tv deal you signed! Oh yeah, and the corny mascot! Oh, and the contruction cone orange unis bearing your name our first few season, just in case we forgot you were boss! And I'm so glad they got the arena for the crowd pleasing equestrian events he sent our beloved team on the road for.

As for kids that have come to know the Bobcats... Guess what? I was a kid when I fell in love with the Hornets? So, it's wrong for me to want that name back? Which is right? Believe this though, it's much easier for a child to fall in love with a team if it switches names than it is for an adult... Just check out the empty arena on a nightly basis.

Even in our playoff year attendance was mediocre. Whether we want to admit or not, average fans don't like the brand. You can call them fairwhether or whatever it may be, but I don't care what they are if they are filling up the arena. Everything our franchise has done to this point has been a failure, it's time to shake things up and see if it helps.

To be honest, as I said earlier in the thread, I would prefer Royals. It doesn't have to be Hornets... We just need change. I want what is best for our franchise, and I believe a re-branding will help. Again, if it doesn't happen, what did it hurt to see if it could... I support them no matter what.

People act like there is no grey area here. Just because some would like a name change doesn't equate to them not wholeheartedly supporting the team, because I have and I do. It's like if you propose a new law for your state because you don't like the way things are, does that mean you hate your state?

And Hornets snapbacks sell because they are Charlotte Hornets, not New Orleans. Once they went down there and added the yellow, it made it a completely different brand. No one is wanting those Hornets back. We want them to relinquish a name that didn't belong to them to begin with, so that it can return to it's home. That's all.

[Nata Fresh]

Diddy, unlike you as we said before...the majority of these folks have never paid attention to the team nor paid a ticket...and I doubt they will even if the name is changed....if the Bobcats are focused on a name change rather than a reshuffling a roster...there's problems...

[Mustachio]

Diddy, unlike you as we said before...the majority of these folks have never paid attention to the team nor paid a ticket...and I doubt they will even if the name is changed....if the Bobcats are focused on a name change rather than a reshuffling a roster...there's problems...


straw man. the Bobcats haven't said a word about it. Its a fan petition. If you don't think there will be a bump in attendance and sales... you're not paying attention.

[Nata Fresh]

straw man. the Bobcats haven't said a word about it. Its a fan petition. If you don't think there will be a bump in attendance and sales... you're not paying attention.

If there's a bump, it'll be a small one if they don't win.....and if you've looked at the Facebook page, most of the folks on there have ADMITTED to never going to a Bobcats game, which n my eyes makes their opinions null and void...

[spectre]

The TV deal. Ironically people outside of Charlotte who didn't have access to TWC could get the Bobcats on League Pass. Once it went to FSC everyone outside of Charlotte and the 100 mile radius was f*cked.

So again...I don't see where Johnson was so bad? He spent money (unlike our new owner) even tho he was losing a crap load of it.

[Mustachio]

The TV deal. Ironically people outside of Charlotte who didn't have access to TWC could get the Bobcats on League Pass. Once it went to FSC everyone outside of Charlotte and the 100 mile radius was f*cked.

So again...I don't see where Johnson was so bad? He spent money (unlike our new owner) even tho he was losing a crap load of it.

I'd agree with this except for the part where our current owner doesnt spend money (whatever). But Johnson wasn't that bad. I think the only problem with him was his personality, because otherwise i think he tried to do what he was advised to do was right.

He was an annoying rich guy. Named the team after himself, chose the colors, sent the Bobcats on month long excursions so his daughter could use the arena as her personal horse farm, and lived in Washington and was otherwise scantly seen round these parts. Those kind of things, but honestly, he ponied up the money so I dont really have a problem with that. I think people more or less just wish he treated the team less like a personal toy, and more like a community project.

But again all this is waaaaay off track. Bob Johnson just happened to be the guy who paid the money for the new team in Charlotte. Stern promised the city another team and Bob Johnson was just in the right place at the right time. If he could have... Bob Johnson would have named the team The Charlotte Hornets. The name wasn't available. We picked a new one. Our old moniker may soon be available again and I personally think we should get it back.

I don't want to cause any fuss, or make petitions or anything... but to me it just makes sense. The name of the team that was stolen away will be available again. Being that we would have named the new franchise the Hornets if we could have... we now have the opportunity to do so and right a 10 year old wrong.

[CatMan72]

Let's be honest, Shinn was humiliated and wanted out of Charlotte - I believe he said as much in an interview at some point. He had gone from being the golden boy to the village idiot and he wanted a fresh start. He approached the city with a deal he knew they would never accept, which gave him justification to walk. Moving the team to New Orleans was much more about his own personal pride and self-esteem then it was about anything else... New Orleans was willing so he packed up and left and it was a HUGE mistake. The Hornets held the NBA attendance record for I believe 6 years in a row, there was absolutely no reason to leave beyond his own personal pride being wounded by the rape trial.

I love and support the Bobcats and always will, but they will always feel like a replacement team to me. MJ wants what the Hornets had, so start with the name. I'm sure he has many of his own fond memories of the Charlotte Hornets.

[Mustachio]

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/02/once-hornets-are-sold-team-could-get-new-name-identity/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

In the words of Keith Jacskon (i think) we have developing...situations.

[SWedd523]

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/02/once-hornets-are-sold-team-could-get-new-name-identity/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

In the words of Keith Jacskon (i think) we have developing...situations.
I haven't been following their sale too much, other than that they won't be moving. Do we know yet who the buyer is going to be?

[SWedd523]

Baiting and/or trolling is not allowed. Let's try and keep this on topic.

[GoBobs]

I still want Charlotte Flight

[TheBeagle]

I guess those of you who went to the Nuggets game on Friday heard the group in 216/217 ceaselssly chanting "Let's go Hornets", "Charlotte Hornets" " Bring back the Hornets" etc. Since that was the first game I've been to in over a month, I'm not sure if that's become a regular occurance or what. To their credit they were loud, organized and cheered for the Cats. Also, loads more Charlotte Hornets gear being worn than ever...everything from throwback hats and shirts to a Hersey Hawkins jersey (he was only here one year!!!)

Since I don't live in Charlotte, I don't know what the vibe is, or if that game was singled out as a sort of Hornets petition game, but it was obvious that, at least inside the TWC, there are more than a handful of people desiring a name change.

[Mustachio]

I guess those of you who went to the Nuggets game on Friday heard the group in 216/217 ceaselssly chanting "Let's go Hornets", "Charlotte Hornets" " Bring back the Hornets" etc. Since that was the first game I've been to in over a month, I'm not sure if that's become a regular occurance or what. To their credit they were loud, organized and cheered for the Cats. Also, loads more Charlotte Hornets gear being worn than ever...everything from throwback hats and shirts to a Hersey Hawkins jersey (he was only here one year!!!)


It was a Facebook organized event where they encouraged fans of the idea to wear their old Hornets gear to show that there is a group wanting the name. And thats fine... I did not like them cheering for an active rival franchise though. Chanting the Hornets name at a Bobcats game isn't the way to go. But other than that they did get loud for the franchise that was playing when it got crunch time so I thought it was overall a decent idea.

But as a STH in 216.. I can tell you it wasn't in 216/217 It was in the corner to the left of those. I was in 216 yelling at them to chant the Bobcats name not Hornets.


Since I don't live in Charlotte, I don't know what the vibe is, or if that game was singled out as a sort of Hornets petition game, but it was obvious that, at least inside the TWC, there are more than a handful of people desiring a name change.

I thought you were a season ticket holder too?

[Scottley Crue]

Until I finally remembered that at some home game there could be some people cheering the Hornets' name, I honestly thought they were cheering for the Nuggets. It wasn't until halftime that I remembered. "Let's go Hornets!" and "Let's go Nuggets!" kinda sound alike, especially when yelled from far away. I guess I can appreciate their enthusiasm, but I have a hard time believing it was effective.

[polarcat]

http://www.growmap.com/rebranding/


Why and when should a business consider re-branding?
1. Lack of customer interest....
2. Decline in sales...
3. Ineffective brand name...

Not trying to turn this into business 101, but if there ever was a time to change the image of a franchise and view of the city, now is it. Strip the team down, rebuild, re-brand, close the book on years of mistakes, and open a new book moving forward. Return the name of the team that brought Charlotte much of what it is today. Pre-Hornets there was no Uptown, the Panthers were a pipe dream, and the city was just another midsize town in the South.

[Proudiddy]

The brand has sucked from day one and it's hurt us more than most could imagine. I just don't understand with how astute of a businessman MJ has been throughout his lifetime, how could he not see what a negative effect the brand has on their fanbase and potential fanbase?

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/03/nc-legislature-popularity-tanks-state-wants-mlb-squad.html


North Carolinians love their NFL franchise, but they also want a Major League Baseball club in the state, to complete its hosting of teams in each of the four major professional American sports leagues. Of the three already here, 51% like the Carolina Panthers the best, with 14% going for the Carolina Hurricanes and only 5% with the Charlotte Bobcats, who are the worst team in the NBA by three games.

The Cats are even less popular with black voters (10%) than the Canes (11%). They also manage only 6% of fans even in the Charlotte metro area, where the Panthers, who also call the 704 area code home, have a 65% share of the region. The Canes are most popular in their home turf, holding the Panthers to only a 34-32 edge in the Triangle. The Canes are also more popular with younger voters. 18% of those under the age of 45 like them best, but only 9% of those over 65 do.

45% of Tar Heels want an MLB team, while 29% do not. Though the sport has suffered in popularity with African-Americans and youth in recent years, black voters (55-13) are much more desirous of having pro baseball in the state than white voters (43-32), and young voters (56-26) also favor a club more than their elders, with desire waning from 48% to 43% to 40% across the age spectrum.

[dnbman]

Being mediocre has been much more significant than the brand. The last few weeks of the season in our playoff year, the arena was packed and loud. Then we dropped the next year and started a painful nose-dive to now. Once we get some new talent in there, the buzz will be back.

[TheBeagle]

It was a Facebook organized event where they encouraged fans of the idea to wear their old Hornets gear to show that there is a group wanting the name. And thats fine... I did not like them cheering for an active rival franchise though. Chanting the Hornets name at a Bobcats game isn't the way to go. But other than that they did get loud for the franchise that was playing when it got crunch time so I thought it was overall a decent idea.

But as a STH in 216.. I can tell you it wasn't in 216/217 It was in the corner to the left of those. I was in 216 yelling at them to chant the Bobcats name not Hornets.



I thought you were a season ticket holder too? Yeah, I'm finishing up my 5th year as STH in 215. Those dudes must've been in 218 but they sounded like they were much closer...where 216/217 meet up at the left of the rooftop bar.

I heard some Bobcats/Hornets back and forth chants coming from the area. I'm neutral on the whole name thing, but I thought it was cool some folks were proud enough to stand up for the Cats name.

[Mustachio]

Yeah, I'm finishing up my 5th year as STH in 215. Those dudes must've been in 218 but they sounded like they were much closer...where 216/217 meet up at the left of the rooftop bar.

I heard some Bobcats/Hornets back and forth chants coming from the area. I'm neutral on the whole name thing, but I thought it was cool some folks were proud enough to stand up for the Cats name.

well hey neighbour. Thats how I feel about the Bobcats/Hornets name too ... neutral. I've been pretty pro Hornets on here, but mostly because I think there is a conversation to be had. Part of me would love to see it back and thinks it will actually help, and the other half says I've only owned Bobcats tickets and would like to see them win as the Bobcats. Either way I'm good with it.

[King Taharqa]

"Fans" who come to TWC Arena to cheer the Hornets are absolute sellouts! The Bobs are not the Hornets and never will pretend to be. The Hornets arent us. They never played in TWC Arena, you never rode the trolley to a Hornets game. After a Hornets game you walked out of the Hive, you had a huge parking lot and trees to entertain you. When you walk out the Cable Box after a game, you got Epicenter and the Uptown nightlife. When we play New Orleans at home soon, guess who those "fans" will be cheering for? Yup, you guessed it. We shouldnt let them come in our arena that WE built and try and piggyback off us. GO BOBCATS AND COUGARS, F A HORNET!!!

[ND22]

Here is a news segment on the hornets movement. To be honest, they come off as tools. Worst part is accusing the Bobcats of having an "identity crisis" because they are wearing the Cougars uniform.

I was slightly open to a name change, but these guys are doing it the wrong way.

http://www.wbtv.com/story/17299318/fans-push-to-bring-hornets-name-back-to-charlotte#

[ammofan]

I still want Charlotte Flight


Same here.

[SWedd523]

The only name change I'll get behind is to change Charlotte to Carolina

[Mustachio]

Charlotte Flight . Same here.

are yall serious? That sounds like a WNBA team to me.

[SWedd523]

are yall serious? That sounds like a WNBA team to me.
http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2011/03/nod.gif

[Chef]

The only name change I'll get behind is to change Charlotte to Carolina

i prefer cougars to flight if we are changing which i could care less if we do.

[Proudiddy]

I want to preface this by saying I mean no disrespect to Zig by posting this stuff here, but it does relate to our franchise so I hope it's okay with everyone. And you all know I've been here way before this movement ever started, but this is exciting to me. It sounds like it's all up to MJ as the Hornets name and brand may be ours for the taking... And what Benson is doing, I think MJ should've done the same once he assumed ownership, but it's just my opinion... Anyway, here you go:

http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ssf/2012/04/nba_board_of_governors_approve_1.html


Benson said he is also trying to change the name of the NBA team to better fit the ambience, culture and charm of New Orleans.

"We need to find a name like (Jazz)," Benson said, referring to New Orleans first NBA team that relocated to Salt Lake City in 1979. "Whether we can get that or let us use that, you've got to know we're working on it. We'd like to change it tomorrow. We have not gotten that approved, but we're not letting up on it, either. Because we've got a good relationship with the commissioner and his people and we're going to be on them daily to do something."

[SWedd523]

Pretty much all discussion is allowed as long as it's on topic (for the thread) or doesn't devolve into nastiness.


That said, I won't openly support bringing the Hornets back as I think it's somewhat "tainted" now, but if it does come back, I'll welcome it with open arms. At the very least, it should make for interesting discussion during the offseason because I'm really curious to see

A: How the people of New Orleans react to dropping the Hornets
B: What the actual new name will be and how it's received
C: If the "Hornets" becomes available, what MJ does in response
D: If we bring that name back, do we get the history too?
E: If we get the name back, do we keep the logo and colors, or update them?


Should shape up to be a really interesting offseason

[Proudiddy]

Pretty much all discussion is allowed as long as it's on topic (for the thread) or doesn't devolve into nastiness.


That said, I won't openly support bringing the Hornets back as I think it's somewhat "tainted" now, but if it does come back, I'll welcome it with open arms. At the very least, it should make for interesting discussion during the offseason because I'm really curious to see

A: How the people of New Orleans react to dropping the Hornets
B: What the actual new name will be and how it's received
C: If the "Hornets" becomes available, what MJ does in response
D: If we bring that name back, do we get the history too?
E: If we get the name back, do we keep the logo and colors, or update them?


Should shape up to be a really interesting offseason

All good points, and things I find really interesting as well.

The NOLA site actually put up a rebrand poll not long after that presser and about 2 hours ago there were almost 2,000 votes and 85% were in favor of the rebrand. The names I've seen thrown around from various places were Cajuns, Gators, and ArcAngels. The ArcAngels apparently has already been explored with designs and everything b/c according to someone on the "We Beelieve" Facebook page, the Hornets front office was already exploring the rebranding before Benson was announced as owner. I have to admit, it looked pretty cool for them, but I think Cajuns would be an awesome brand for them.

After they drop Hornets and rebrand, that's when it will get really interesting to me. MJ has cited the Hornets success when questioning why the Bobcats haven't had the same support, so it clearly is on his mind, or has been. It will be really intriguing to see what MJ does once the name becomes available. From everything I've read and seen, the majority of even diehard Bobcats fans either support the change back the the Hornets or are indifferent and would support them regardless. If he sees the potential to profit from it, then I think it's a no-brainer (and I do think the earning potential is greater with the Hornets brand).

The part that excites me though is the possibility of bring back the legacy from the old Hornets players... I want Phills' jersey in our arena. I want ceremonies to honor guys like Dell and Muggsy without that awkward feeling hovering over it because they never wore orange and blue.

Again, I support our team 100% no matter what, but I think the rebrand to Hornets if it becomes available has many advantages and would work in our favor. If we don't do it, then I just hope the product on the floor gets good quickly as planned (over the next 2-3 years) so that people can move past it.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

whatever the team name ill support us....but how early could we get the hornets name if it becomes avalible? I dont care what the name is but i think fan support would go way up if the hornets came back even if the team isnt very good (just a guess) but if we get that name back plus the #1 pick hopefully i think we could bring more excitement back to charlotte...im not saying go and get the name but if it happens i wouldnt mind...its all up to MJ if it gets open

[SWedd523]

Not at all a fan of the ArcAngels, what would be the significance behind that? The Cajuns is kind of meh to me. Seems kind of too obvious and/or specific. The Gators would be pretty good if it weren't such a popular name.


I haven't really put any thought into what I think a good name could be for New Orleans. Anybody got any good ideas?

[Chef]

Not at all a fan of the ArcAngels, what would be the significance behind that? The Cajuns is kind of meh to me. Seems kind of too obvious and/or specific. The Gators would be pretty good if it weren't such a popular name.


I haven't really put any thought into what I think a good name could be for New Orleans. Anybody got any good ideas?

it should be a regional word that the people of the city/area know but we may not. a french cajun word.

[bes628]

whatever the team name ill support us....but how early could we get the hornets name if it becomes avalible? I dont care what the name is but i think fan support would go way up if the hornets came back even if the team isnt very good (just a guess) but if we get that name back plus the #1 pick hopefully i think we could bring more excitement back to charlotte...im not saying go and get the name but if it happens i wouldnt mind...its all up to MJ if it gets open

Man the Hornets name back and Anthony Davis. Shit would go crazy, Davis jerseys would sell like crack in the 80's. And all it would cost is 2.5 million to make the name change happen. For the love of God MJ make it happen.

[Proudiddy]

@Swedd, here is the link to the concept for the Arcangels as it was already designed. I haven't been able to read up much on it, but apparently to those in the know and New Orleans fans who have discussed it, it has some significance to the city. I'm thinking something to do with the architecture and the churches of the area... I'm not sure what their exact influence is on the brand though... Anyway, here it is...

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=354927441211875&set=o.110429122320741&type=1&theater

[Whiz Kid]

What do you guys think would be a fitting name change for us? I think it should be something that really hits home to us Carolina natives, something we can all understand that others may not. Any thoughts there?

Also, I'm a young gun here (15 1/2). And yes, I know about the Charlotte Hornets time period. I know that they were a much more popular team than what we are now. But honestly speaking, what is the true point in changing the name back to the Hornets? Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of getting the name changed back to the Hornets and definitely making the court look like a replica of the old Hive, but at what cost? To gain more fans who are just there because of a name instead of truly supporting the team? Of course that helps as far as revenue but that's basically it.

Another point... I don't like the name Bobcats. Whether it was named Bobcats because it fits with the hometown NFL team Panthers or if it was really named after the previous owner, I've just never liked it. ((I've been an avid fan since 04 (age 8)) It never stuck with me, so I am indeed a supporter of a name change. I personally feel that it should be something that actually represents the Carolinas. A type of symbol that we all would know.

Honestly, I like either Charlotte Flight or Carolina Flight. I know it sounds like a rec or AAU team but i think it truly represents NC, being first in flight, and also endorses the Jordan Brand.

[JR4P]

I have heard the following on Hornetsreport.com, tigerdroppings.com, etc...

New Orleans Krewe (krewe being an organization in a mardi gras festivity...a krewe may have a float or organize a float in a mardi gras parade)
New Orleans Brass
New Orleans Voodoo (would have to buy from arena team)
New Orleans Breakers (old UsFL team)
New Orleans Buccaneers (old ABA team there, but would be odd with TB playing the saints twice a year)
New Orleans Crescents (Crescent city)
New Orleans Hurricanes (too soon?)
New Orleans Gators
New Orleans Kingfish (Former Gov. of Louisiana Huey Long was nicknamed the Kingfish)
New Orleans Blues
New Orleans Cajuns
New Orleans Rhythm
New Orleans Creole
New Orleans Pistols (to honor former Jazz player and LSU great Pistol Pete Maravich..though its not going to happen *see bullets rebrand to wizards*)
New Orleans Pilots (riverboat captains)
New Orleans Jesters (another mardi gras connection)

[SWedd523]

I just went through a big thread over on HornetsReport and found the artist who came up with that design. This is what he had to say about ArcAngels:


Yeah, a basketball pun for archangel with the Arc symbolizing the crescent as in crescent city and angels being synoymous with saints. Plus, Arc is a 3-point line term as well. Encompasses the crescent city and basketball.


Still seems kind of corny to me but if they like it then oh well. They also seem to be fond of Krewe, Brass, and Voodoo

[Dcarnys]

I like the Krewe and Voodoo personally for New Orleans. And on the Voodoo name, the Arena Football League team is playing in New Orleans again although is owned by you guessed it Tom Benson.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

yeah id buy an anthony davis hornets jersey asap.....you guys think we'd use the old jerseys or update them? I really tihnk this is gonna happen....especially if they do something on national TV on TNT when we play the knicks...If we are home but i really think Benson is gonna do everything in his power to change the name...how long would it take for them to change their name and for us to do the same and get the hornets name back?

[stun704]

So I guess its all but confirmed that we'll be getting the Hornets name back, remember that leak from carolina huddle? it was only shot down so quick because the deal wasn't finalized yet, if they'd given fans false hope and Benson wouldn't finalize his buy it probably would have fractured the fanbase even more.. i'm more confident then ever that we'll get the name back, the timing was too perfect, the leaker said they wouldn't order anymore bobcats merchandise after this season... Ziggy you should looking into making a Hornets Planet reskin lol

[QC Thundercats]

What do you guys think would be a fitting name change for us? I think it should be something that really hits home to us Carolina natives, something we can all understand that others may not. Any thoughts there?

Yes, there is something that really hits home to us Charlotte natives, that we should understand. Except I think many people don't realize that the hornets name is not just related to Charlotte because of Jorge Shinn. History lesson:


William Richardson Davie and about 150 patriots attempted to stop the British invasion of North Carolina at Charlotte on September 26, 1780.

Outnumbered by almost ten to one, Davie's inspired soldiers kept their promise to give seasoned British regulars and charging cavalry "some earnest of what Lord Cornwallis might expect in North Carolina." This initial resistance spirited up the people and led to further attacks on occupying British forces causing them to term the area a "hornets' nest" of rebellion. The name is now a source of pride.
http://www.lib.unc.edu/blogs/ncm/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/hornets-nest-mecklenberg.jpg

How many other cities have an such an awesome story like this in their history?

As for sports team, the nickname goes all the way back to the beginning of last century.


The Charlotte Hornets were a minor league baseball team based in Charlotte, North Carolina. The club was originally founded in 1901, and lasted in some form until 1973, capturing 11 league titles during its history. From 1937-42 and 1946-72, the Hornets were a farm system affiliate of the original Washington Senators franchise and its post-1960 successor, the Minnesota Twins. http://imgur.com/PXp4h

http://i.imgur.com/PXp4h.jpg

Then there was a football team:


The Charlotte Hornets were an American football team in the short-lived World Football League. They were relocated to Charlotte, North Carolina, from New York City in the middle of the 1974 season. http://www.charlottehornetswfl.com/memorabilia/mem_mediaguide_01.jpg
http://www.charlottehornetswfl.com/photos_02/14.jpg

Also, for anyone not from Charlotte, a hornets nest is the official logo of the Charlotte police department:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/29/Charlotte-Mecklenburg_Police_Department_logo.jpg

So from the Revolutionary War, baseball, football, basketball, and a governmental entity in Charlotte, there is an extremely rich history surrounding the "Hornets" name. There is no other nickname that could be stronger than that, and I'd argue, most other cities would not have such a historical connection to the name.

For people to keep saying what's the point of getting the Hornets name back, its not just the nostalgia from the 80s-90s, but also because the name actually does mean a lot to the people of the city and its history. The significance is bigger than basketball, it is actually a source of regional pride, and the rebranding would be embraced much more than people realize.

[spectre]

Nice history lesson QC. I'm not from Charlotte so I hadn't realized all those teams were named Hornets.

I'm still good with Bobcats...but I'm more willing to not bitch about a change now.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

I think in a perfect world Tom Benson would try to persuade Utah to give up the name Jazz and allow for NOLA to have it. In turn the Utah team could re brand to something that fits them more. Utah Eagles, Utah Rams, Utah Cougars, Utah Mustangs or any other name representing the region. I am sure in a lot of ways the people of Utah would be thrilled to have a name that better represents them. I do not know why cities who lose teams of a particular sport but may have a team in said sport return do not keep the name of the team that represented their city. If Seattle gets another NBA team it is only right the name Sonics as well as the logo and colors return. The same can be said about any cities team.

I myself may never have seen a Hornets game in Charlotte but I supported the team from the beginning and in some ways feel just as entitled to the team as those of you from Charlotte or in general the Carolina's. I may not completely be able to feel the passion to the degree that you do but none the less I am a fan and will always feel a connection through the Hornets. Someday I hope to go there simply because of the love for the Charlotte Hornets I had and my support of the Bobcats. Just know that I am and always will be a fan of whatever team plays in Charlotte. For nostalgic reasons I would love to have the old colors and logo and Hornets name back in Charlotte. None the less I would support the team if they were to be named the Charlotte Sh** and wore sh** brown unis with a pile of sh** for the logo.

[Chef]

yeah id buy an anthony davis hornets jersey asap.....you guys think we'd use the old jerseys or update them? I really tihnk this is gonna happen....especially if they do something on national TV on TNT when we play the knicks...If we are home but i really think Benson is gonna do everything in his power to change the name...how long would it take for them to change their name and for us to do the same and get the hornets name back?

my opinion, change the colors. not a fan of teal at all. i really like the cougars uni's. i am a sucker for red white and blue uni's.

[Chef]

I think in a perfect world Tom Benson would try to persuade Utah to give up the name Jazz and allow for NOLA to have it. In turn the Utah team could re brand to something that fits them more. Utah Eagles, Utah Rams, Utah Cougars, Utah Mustangs or any other name representing the region. I am sure in a lot of ways the people of Utah would be thrilled to have a name that better represents them. I do not know why cities who lose teams of a particular sport but may have a team in said sport return do not keep the name of the team that represented their city. If Seattle gets another NBA team it is only right the name Sonics as well as the logo and colors return. The same can be said about any cities team.

I myself may never have seen a Hornets game in Charlotte but I supported the team from the beginning and in some ways feel just as entitled to the team as those of you from Charlotte or in general the Carolina's. I may not completely be able to feel the passion to the degree that you do but none the less I am a fan and will always feel a connection through the Hornets. Someday I hope to go there simply because of the love for the Charlotte Hornets I had and my support of the Bobcats. Just know that I am and always will be a fan of whatever team plays in Charlotte. For nostalgic reasons I would love to have the old colors and logo and Hornets name back in Charlotte. None the less I would support the team if they were to be named the Charlotte Sh** and wore sh** brown unis with a pile of sh** for the logo.

the other way to look at it, and if i were the utah jazz owners i would do it for sure, i would pay the 2.5 million, make the nba promote as a good will gesture to the new NO owners and change my name and uni's. imagine all the new sales you would get? it would be a great way for all 3 small market teams to make some money.

[all2neat]

I'm a fan of the New Orleans [TBD]. I hope you guys get your name back if you want it. I think most people here love the idea of getting the Jazz back but most people I talk to don't know how praticle it is. We'd love to use Voodoo but the AFL owns it so it would be a bit more costly. I'm sure the team and league will do some research and come up with a good name for us.

As far as history goes, we only want the history from New Orleans. I mean no disrespect but, most of us don't care about the part before 2002 and as far as I'm concerned you can have that history as well. It belongs in Charlotte.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

if we changed the name what would happen to the merchandising rights? Would companies have to start paying MJ to sell Hornets gear or would it just carry on as usual?

[Whiz Kid]

Yes, there is something that really hits home to us Charlotte natives, that we should understand. Except I think many people don't realize that the hornets name is not just related to Charlotte because of Jorge Shinn. History lesson:

http://www.lib.unc.edu/blogs/ncm/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/hornets-nest-mecklenberg.jpg

How many other cities have an such an awesome story like this in their history?

As for sports team, the nickname goes all the way back to the beginning of last century.

http://imgur.com/PXp4h

http://i.imgur.com/PXp4h.jpg

Then there was a football team:

http://www.charlottehornetswfl.com/memorabilia/mem_mediaguide_01.jpg
http://www.charlottehornetswfl.com/photos_02/14.jpg

Also, for anyone not from Charlotte, a hornets nest is the official logo of the Charlotte police department:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/29/Charlotte-Mecklenburg_Police_Department_logo.jpg

So from the Revolutionary War, baseball, football, basketball, and a governmental entity in Charlotte, there is an extremely rich history surrounding the "Hornets" name. There is no other nickname that could be stronger than that, and I'd argue, most other cities would not have such a historical connection to the name.

For people to keep saying what's the point of getting the Hornets name back, its not just the nostalgia from the 80s-90s, but also because the name actually does mean a lot to the people of the city and its history. The significance is bigger than basketball, it is actually a source of regional pride, and the rebranding would be embraced much more than people realize.

I didnt realize the history behind Hornets. I'm not from Charlotte, I'm from Statesville. But I'm All for it. Anything that truly means something instead of just being a name. Still a fan for "Flight" though. lol

[adam187]

make sure to bring along monty williams with the hornets name.

[polarcat]

Huge proponent for the name change and think it will help with the enormous facelift this team is in the process of going through. it just makes too much sense now that NOLA wants to go with something more relative to their home. Personally, I hope we don't go back to the old uniform design, colors, logo, etc. so that we can use the older ones as our true "throwbacks". I'd like a modern clean looking re-design with a hornet being the focal point..... nothing too over the top or silly like Miami, Milwaukee, Atlanta, Washington, etc. I'm thinking more Chicago, even Utah is a more modernized version of their initial logo.

[Dcarnys]

Polarcat this was one design I found earlier..

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c324/bigdub81/NBAConcept-CharlotteHornets.png
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c324/bigdub81/NBAConcept-Court-CharlotteHornets.png

[SWedd523]

I'd rather have the Charlotte Hornets logo than the New Orleans Hornets logo

[Proudiddy]

Same here. I think the New Orleans version is tacky and corny looking. I love those unis though, the font and design are on point. I just want a more modernized version of the original logo.

[Proudiddy]

The possibility grows... I tweeted Bonnell earlier, asking that since Benson intends to rebrand, what is the likelihood that MJ will take on the Hornets brand. I already know from stories on the issue in the past that the team can't comment on another team's brand as it is against league rules.

I didn't get a direct response, but this is just as good:


https://twitter.com/#!/rick_bonnell
#Bobcats president Fred Whitfield said it's not appropriate for him to discuss "Hornets'' nickname (cont.)
I asked Whitfield in response to new Hornets owner Tom Benson saying he intends to change nickname.
Can't blame Whitfield for declining comment on this. The league would no doubt frown on him speculating.


To me, if we weren't considering it, Whitfield COULD just come outright and say "We are not rebranding or considering any rebranding whatsoever."

[bes628]

Polarcat this was one design I found earlier..

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c324/bigdub81/NBAConcept-CharlotteHornets.png
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c324/bigdub81/NBAConcept-Court-CharlotteHornets.png

Those are dope. I do want the original logo though..or maybe a different modern take on it apart from New Orleans one. With that said..im gonna need for us to have a purple alternative jersey too.

[polarcat]

totally agree about not using anything related to the New Orleans logo. I do like the simpleness of those uniforms you posted dcarnys and the font update. As for the logo, I was hoping something more along this (but with our colors)....

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I like the '80's logo as an alternate/throwback that we break out, but not our primary logo. It looks to dated and cartoony like a lot of the 70's and 80's logos were. I think we could roll off of this logo, keep it simple, yet modern.

[bes628]

The best thing about this whole situation now is that, its not just us "Hornet's fans who won't move on", fans from all the different teams of the NBA agree that this is our rightful identity, and they're ecstatic about us possibly getting the name back too.

[JGib23]

FYI- I tweeted Darren Rovell and asked how many incremental merchandise sales it would take to offset the cost to rebrand. He replied that it was a trick question because all NBA merchandise is split equally.

This scares me because with the team struggling financially, I can't see them spending any money that can't improve the team or increase revenue.

MJ would need to be convinced that a change of names will drive up attendance as that's the only way he can recoup the cost.

I soooooo want the Hornets name back.

Also follow me on twitter @JGibstweetspot

[fallen xxi]

Guys, it's a matter of time. If they didn't want a rebrand, they would say it. This is all falling into place and it doesn't just fall into place so peacefully as this has.

MJ has said from Day 1 that he would always explore whether or not a rebrand was necessary, and we all know that right now it's never been more necessary. And don't be suprised if he and Tom Benson are on the phone right now.

[superb1]

I'm all for rebranding. I think MJ can bring back some excitement by running campaigns to gauge fan interest. Something like Bob Johnson's rigged name campaign. Whether to rebrand or not, whether to go back to the Hornets name or not. Or choose another name.

Three questions I have to ask though

Who still owns some Charlotte Hornets apparel?

If we go back to the Hornets name, does it release any bond one may have kept for the NO Hornets due to some sort of loyalty or such. For me, it remained an unofficial second team for me.

Does it erase the bone-headed decisions we have made and we start from scratch.

[Proudiddy]

FYI- I tweeted Darren Rovell and asked how many incremental merchandise sales it would take to offset the cost to rebrand. He replied that it was a trick question because all NBA merchandise is split equally.

This scares me because with the team struggling financially, I can't see them spending any money that can't improve the team or increase revenue.

MJ would need to be convinced that a change of names will drive up attendance as that's the only way he can recoup the cost.

I soooooo want the Hornets name back.

Also follow me on twitter @JGibstweetspot

I'm confident he would recoup that amount in the first season through attendance and concessions. My gut feeling is 85%, we are going to do it. As it has been stated, if we weren't interested in looking into it, Whitfield would've came out and said so.

Remember when the "Big Announcement" rumor thread blew up the net a few weeks ago... Well, do you think it is coincidence that what started it was a guy who works in the team store said they were no longer ordering Bobcats merchandise for the team store? What other reasons would there be to quit ordering merchandise for the team store? Then, when it got all over the place, Bobcats PR says "No name change or big announcement coming..." YET, now that the Hornets have been sold and Benson states they are indeed rebranding, when Bonnell asked Whitfield, he wouldn't comment? Why not deny a name change like the PR guy did? Because MJ wants the name back.

And in all my years of NBA fandom, no way this hadn't already been in the works. Benson didn't just walk up Friday with a $338 million dollar check and bought the team. Stern was well aware of who would be the owner and if they wanted to change names or not. Stern is also forever indebted to MJ for making the NBA what it has become, so you don't think he gave MJ a heads up - hence the cancellation of further merchandise orders in the team store?

I could be wrong, but I doubt it... It all lines up too perfectly.

[Scottley Crue]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c324/bigdub81/NBAConcept-CharlotteHornets.png

I wasn't ever and currently am not unhappy with the Bobcats name. I've never had interest in changing it to Flight or Cougars or whatever the new name of moment was. I wasn't on board with the Hornets because of them leaving town and, well, it's currently being used and didn't really see that name coming free. And since it wasn't, I thought it best to leave the Hornets name in the past. But after seeing those images up there...man, good gracious did the nostalgia rush back (that and those jerseys look really, really slick). It's hard not to like the idea if the name does become available.

It would certainly be up to Jordan, so I don't know if he'd want to pay what it'd cost to get it going. But I can say that if he did go for it, after seeing the word "Charlotte" back on a teal jersey (and hopefully purple, too), I'd be hard-pressed not to like it.

[JR4P]

I'm confident he would recoup that amount in the first season through attendance and concessions. My gut feeling is 85%, we are going to do it. As it has been stated, if we weren't interested in looking into it, Whitfield would've came out and said so.

Remember when the "Big Announcement" rumor thread blew up the net a few weeks ago... Well, do you think it is coincidence that what started it was a guy who works in the team store said they were no longer ordering Bobcats merchandise for the team store? What other reasons would there be to quit ordering merchandise for the team store? Then, when it got all over the place, Bobcats PR says "No name change or big announcement coming..." YET, now that the Hornets have been sold and Benson states they are indeed rebranding, when Bonnell asked Whitfield, he wouldn't comment? Why not deny a name change like the PR guy did? Because MJ wants the name back.

And in all my years of NBA fandom, no way this hadn't already been in the works. Benson didn't just walk up Friday with a $338 million dollar check and bought the team. Stern was well aware of who would be the owner and if they wanted to change names or not. Stern is also forever indebted to MJ for making the NBA what it has become, so you don't think he gave MJ a heads up - hence the cancellation of further merchandise orders in the team store?

I could be wrong, but I doubt it... It all lines up too perfectly.

Yeah, I agree with everything you're saying. At first when everything started there were so many "what ifs". But the chain of events seem to add up to some time of change. I read on hornetsreport that Benson will be announced tomorrow officially at 3 eastern...rumors say more details of the transaction will be announced. Maybe benson will come out and say a more detailed strategy and time table for rebranding????

[polarcat]

It is lining up way too properly, for a re-brand that is so crucial in business. Especially with the potential for landing Anthony Davis, Cho stripping us down and in total OKC rebuild mode, and the availability of the Hornets name. It's a way for the City of Charlotte, the NBA, MJ, and fans to wipe away 8 years of a less-than-mediocre franchise and move forward to bringing back the buzz that this city once enjoyed. Much like landing LJ, 'Zo and B.Davis, we can move on with the likes of Biyombo, Davis, Shabazz and bring pride back to this town. Not that I wouldn't support this team if we remain the Bobcats, but it just makes too much sense to utilize this window of opportunity that has presented itself.

[Mustachio]

I would like a name change for the franchise, but I see no need to rebrand this website. This is Bobcats Planet. It was for this franchise, and now the website has a little history and character to it. It's a throwback in and of itself. I think we should keep it the same. If there was a franchise rebrand, we can look at this website and URL as a badge of honor in my opinion.

I think we should try to incorporate our current color scheme into new Hornet branded jerseys. Give us our name back, and you can keep that franchise that is associated with George Shinn. I think it could be a big win for the people of the city. We didn't let some asshole owner walk all over us. We called his bluff, he got sent out of town and we get a new franchise and keep the name. Getting the name back would be for me a big middle finger to that rapist troll.

[Chef]

I would like a name change for the franchise, but I see no need to rebrand this website. This is Bobcats Planet. It was for this franchise, and now the website has a little history and character to it. It's a throwback in and of itself. I think we should keep it the same. If there was a franchise rebrand, we can look at this website and URL as a badge of honor in my opinion.

I think we should try to incorporate our current color scheme into new Hornet branded jerseys. Give us our name back, and you can keep that franchise that is associated with George Shinn. I think it could be a big win for the people of the city. We didn't let some asshole owner walk all over us. We called his bluff, he got sent out of town and we get a new franchise and keep the name. Getting the name back would be for me a big middle finger to that rapist troll.

from a business perspective zig has two options:
buy hornetsplanet.com and link it to this one so google searches still find it (that is how i found it)
change name with team name change

i would do number two. maybe create an homage to the bobcats on the page but gotta go where the people will be coming to.

[wend28]

Yeah, I agree with everything you're saying. At first when everything started there were so many "what ifs". But the chain of events seem to add up to some time of change. I read on hornetsreport that Benson will be announced tomorrow officially at 3 eastern...rumors say more details of the transaction will be announced. Maybe benson will come out and say a more detailed strategy and time table for rebranding????

It's probably to announce that the 2014 All-Star game will be in New Orleans. News just broke out about that earlier today.

[ammofan]

I haven't ever been against the 'Bobcats' brand, but I have always been in support of changing it...especially back to the Hornets. I truly think bringing 'Hornets' back to Charlotte would be the best thing that could happen to this franchise. The Uptown Hive would be sold out alot just because of the name change. Obviously it won't be sold out much if we are as bad as we are now, but with a top 4 pick in the draft and good young players....along with a brand everyone loves to death in Charlotte, the franchise could turn around rather quickly.

I'm very excited.

[raleigh]

Just make an offer for hornetsreport.com if the name change happens.

[JGib23]

Tom Benson nails it.

http://www.wwltv.com/video?id=147634365&sec=554827

The name Hornets belongs to Charlotte

Follow me on twitter @JGibstweetspot

[BigSams50]

Taking back the Hornets moniker will light a fire under the fan base in Charlotte imo. If the name becomes available, its a must

[Chef]

Taking back the Hornets moniker will light a fire under the fan base in Charlotte imo. If the name becomes available, its a must

granted i don't live in charlotte but the team name has nothing to do with low interest. 7-57 has alot to do with it. the stands were packed for the orlando playoff series.

[Dcarnys]

Tom Benson nails it.

http://www.wwltv.com/video?id=147634365&sec=554827

The name Hornets belongs to Charlotte

Follow me on twitter @JGibstweetspot

All I get from that video is that David Stern is a complete asshat.

[Scottley Crue]

Well here we are having some fun with the possible return of the Hornets' name....enter Rick "Wet Blanket" Bonnell:

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/04/16/3178880/observations-source-bobcats-name.html

I have no doubt there are logistics that realistically make a name change more time consuming than most realize. However, I find it extremely hard to believe it'd take two years for a name change to the Hornets, since not a tremendous amount would have to change. It's 2012...I do believe it could move faster than that nowadays.

[John Morgan]

Exactly, Scottley.

The 2 year number is another nebulous, inexact figure people who oppose/are hesitant to embrace the rebrand (read: Bonnell) are throwing out there to attempt to smother the Movement.

Take the Thunder for example. Remember that year they played as the Oklahoma City Sonics? No, you don't. Because they moved the team and rebranded the entire franchise in all of one off season.

Add to that the fact that Stern seems bound and determined to give NOLA just about anything their heart desires. Expect Mr. Benson to have his Brass/Krewe/VooDoo in place by summer.

Fact is, money and logic talk. This makes too much sense to pass up; it's gonna happen.

BEELIEVE THAT!!! :D

[John Morgan]

Not sure how many of you have visited the Facebook page, but I've been in contact with a really great designer out of NOLA who's been making concepts for their rebrand for months now. He goes by 'BigDub81' on Hornets Report, and he was amazingly wonderfully stunningly great enough to make us some killer mock ups...I think y'all will love them if you haven't seen them already!

I saw someone had posted an earlier incarnation of his design a few pages back. This one addresses all of the concerns most of our Facebook Beelievers had. The purple is purpler, and the Hugo is...well, the Hugo is just EVIL (in the best possible way ;) ).

Enjoy, and please...download and share this with your friends!!!

[John Morgan]

...too lovely for words :)

[King Taharqa]

All of you folks who are jumping on this Hornets fad, I'm telling you right now, make sure this is what you want. Because when it falls thru (and it will), there's no coming back to the Bobcats fanbase. The entire "catch the buzz" movement is something that people think is cool now, but trust when we turn this thing around everyone is gonna be denying they were ever a part of it. Charlotte is very faddish and bandwagon like. So once the weather is fair for the Bobs again, you guys are gonna pretending to be fans once again like you did 2 years ago in our playoff year. Once again, shout out to the real Bobcats fans, we appreciate your support and faith. To the people who are jumping on New Orleans bandwagon, holding on to the past Hornets, etc. you suck as Charlotte sports fans and will be remembered for the sellouts you are. GO BOBCATS!!!

[kickazzz2000]

All I get from that video is that David Stern is a complete asshat.

Did anyone notice this headline below the video?


Slidell neighborhood on alert after bobcat captured on camera :biggrin:

[John Morgan]

Careful, King...you can't go around locking threads over here :D

[JGib23]

All of you folks who are jumping on this Hornets fad, I'm telling you right now, make sure this is what you want. Because when it falls thru (and it will), there's no coming back to the Bobcats fanbase. The entire "catch the buzz" movement is something that people think is cool now, but trust when we turn this thing around everyone is gonna be denying they were ever a part of it. Charlotte is very faddish and bandwagon like. So once the weather is fair for the Bobs again, you guys are gonna pretending to be fans once again like you did 2 years ago in our playoff year. Once again, shout out to the real Bobcats fans, we appreciate your support and faith. To the people who are jumping on New Orleans bandwagon, holding on to the past Hornets, etc. you suck as Charlotte sports fans and will be remembered for the sellouts you are. GO BOBCATS!!!

King T- I disagree with you 100%.

I think all of us are "True Bobcats fans" or we wouldn't waste out time on the message board of the worst team in the history of the NBA.
I love our team but, I hate the Name, I hate the colors, I hate the logo, I think we have the ugliest mascot in all of professional sports.

I want us to win and want the team to be successful. I think if the Bobcats were the best team in the NBA and LeBron and D-Wade were here instead of South Beach- the arena would be packed..... BUT, why can't we have both a great team and a name that means something to Charlotte? It's not a fad- I will prefer the name Hornets over Bobcats until the day I die.... If we win the Championship with the Name Bobcats. I will be very happy but, not as Happy as I would be to win the Championship as a Hornet.... The name means something...
I don't like our Politicians but, I love Democracy
I don't like war but, I support our troops.
I don't like Apple Pie but, I'm still American
I don't like "Bobcats" but, I love our team.

Does that make sense?

[thesnowman22]

Everyone glosses over how the crowds had diminished before the hornets left. Everyone remembers the best of times, thats how it tends to happen with memories.

Personally, I HATED the teal crap ugh. Personally, I like the orange, but i would love to see more black and dark grey or silver in the unis.

As for the name, I dont really care either way, but really, I dont like hornets much either. Im either foreeping it bobcats or going with flight. Obviously, "knights" is the best name but would not be original. Really, i just aint feeling the name change.

As for bobcats, it was never actually said that johnson really named it after himself i didnt think, just speculation. Could have been a little bonus he thoght, but i just dont believe it was the only reason for the name.

20,000 aint showing up because we change the name either.

But, you know opinions are like u-kno-what...

[John Morgan]

Here's an interview I did along with my pal Evan from Bringbackthebuzz.com with Keith Larson at WBT earlier today for anyone who's interested.

I feel like it went pretty well :)

http://www.wbt.com/larson/archive/detail.aspx?BlogEntryID=10371849

[JGib23]

Here's an interview I did along with my pal Evan from Bringbackthebuzz.com with Keith Larson at WBT earlier today for anyone who's interested.

I feel like it went pretty well :)

http://www.wbt.com/larson/archive/detail.aspx?BlogEntryID=10371849

Larson was a douche.

If he is with you, I'd hate to see who is against you.

I think you guys did a good job of explaining that you support the Bobcats (But would prefer to rebrand) and the direction of the team and that we stink on purpose so that we can rebuild but, he just didn't seem to have a clue.

[skratch]

even if we get a name change we'd have to wait 2 years smh http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/04/16/3178880/observations-source-bobcats-name.html

as bad as we are this year i wouldnt mind a name change just to forget the history were making

[King Taharqa]

NBA will move the Bobcats before they spend the millions and ruin the relationships with sponsors it takes to re-brand. This entire movement is LOCAL. The sellouts are the ones who hop on the Hornets bandwagon in dark times, the real Bobcats fans weather the storm like true fans do.

[King Taharqa]

I think you guys did a good job of explaining that you support the Bobcats (But would prefer to rebrand) and the direction of the team and that we stink on purpose so that we can rebuild but, he just didn't seem to have a clue.

"Catch the buzz" does not support the Bobcats. Their a tiny vocal grassroots movement built on the premise of erasing Bob Johnson and the Bobcats from Charlotte's memory. To them the Bobcats name represents Bob Johnson and upward mobility in our community, so by their logic, it shouldnt be a part of NC. Its a very close minded, bitter, anti-diversity mentality because I dont see catch the buzz attempting to gentrify any other NC sports team into the Hornets. This is only gonna get uglier and uglier, and the people involved in catch the buzz are not gonna come up smelling roses. So again, Bobcats fans with little to no faith, please jump off now and join these guys. John Morgan and his cronies come to Bobcat games and tell people to cheer for the Hornets. They arent Bobcat fans. Just simple minded people from the Carolinas with too much time on their hands. Ask John Morgan where he was at in 2003 when we came up with our franchise?

[Let's Go Cats 218]

Ok...

I love the Bobcats. I am a former season ticket holder. (Couldn't renew due to graduate school 4 hours away.) If the Bobcats re-brand and become the Charlotte Hornets, I will love the Hornets. If they don't, I'll still love the Bobcats. But I don't think you can call someone a bad fan or a traitor just because they'd like to see the name changed. It doesn't make you less of a fan. I know a lot of people who absolutely refuse to give the Bobcats a chance because they're still pissed at George Shinn and how the Hornets ended their time here.

I think we can all agree on the fact that we'll all still pull for our boys, no matter what they are called. ...and maybe we'll pick up a few new fans along the way.

[BlockParty]

Wonder how many games these "fans" have actually attended. And how much money they have invested in Charlotte based NBA gear in the last 8 years.

Attending the games takes time, attending the games also takes money, as does supporting the team w/ their identity.

So..money and time...that is where you figure out what a person's real priorities are, and Charlotte isn't big enough to attract 3 NBA teams. We attracted the Hornets (they left, it was a divorce and they are gone), we attracted the Bobcats and they are here now.

Attracting old Hornet fans that have shown no priority to the current NBA team is not something that interests me much. Having said that, there are some loyal Bobcat fans that want a name change, my guess is, you'd still prefer 2-3 years of really good draft picks and a playoff team, irregardless of what name is on the front of their jersey for Home games.

By the way, you can't get to this site by typing www.hornetsplanet.com, so when in Rome....

[ammofan]

Here's an interview I did along with my pal Evan from Bringbackthebuzz.com with Keith Larson at WBT earlier today for anyone who's interested.

I feel like it went pretty well :)

http://www.wbt.com/larson/archive/detail.aspx?BlogEntryID=10371849

Larson is a fool. Wow. He has no clue.

[kickazzz2000]

To them the Bobcats name represents Bob Johnson and upward mobility in our community, so by their logic, it shouldnt be a part of NC. Its a very close minded, bitter, anti-diversity mentality because I dont see catch the buzz attempting to gentrify any other NC sports team into the Hornets.

lollerz...now were gettin somewhere.

[adam187]

i see a few people on here saying they didn't like the teal color. i'm gonna go ahead and put my 2 cents in and say that is straight nonsense. teal and purple are sooo much better than what we have now.

i still own some charlotte hornets gear and i get compliments on it every time i wear it out. seriously, every time. but i think that is likely due to the fact that i've been outside the carolinas. i think that brand is certainly stronger nationally, but i dunno how much that has to do with the team not actually existing anymore and being hip because of that. and i also seriously doubt that its popularity around the US would translate that much to people showing up to home games.

so i'm gonna root for whatever charlotte basketball team exists. i do wish the team would create some better looking jerseys/logos/apparel though, however they wanna do it.

[JGib23]

King T- wtf? Upward mobility? Anti diversity?

Bob Johnson was a terrible owner.... I'm thankful he wrote a check and we got a team back but, other than that he was useless. We have the screwed up tv deal still today because of his CSET wet dream.

He was out of touch and didn't have a clue about basketball. I'm not hypothesizing about this, I actually had lunch with him and got to talk basketball and business for about an hour one day. He shows up late to a season ticket holder lunch with me and about 10 other season ticket holders, the funniest/ saddest part was he didn't even know why he was there. He asked us why we were still on the fence and why we hadn't bought season tickets..... We were like, "we are season ticket holders" and he turned to his assistant and said, " I thought we were meeting with potential customers".... How can u be a billionaire and not even know why your attending a business lunch?

But, let's not act as if he saved basketball in Charlotte, Steve Belkin and Larry Bird were ready to write the same check. I don't know if they would have been any more successful than Bobcat Johnson but, I know I would be just as turned off if they would have named the team. The Charlotte Redbirds.

I want a name change and I'm neither a fair weather fan, sellout, or any other derogatory name. I want the franchise to be successful first and foremost but, the pinnacle for me would be the team being successful and named Charlotte Hornets.

[King Taharqa]

What did the Hornets do for Charlotte other than up and leave? Any titles? Any Finals appearances? Gee, attendance records are great, but we also hold worst attendance records. The Hornets arevthe exact opposite of what we should be. A team good enough to lose in the first round, but not sorry enough to hit the lottery and get better. All the Hornets stars HATED IT HERE. Ask Zo about Charlotte, ask Larry. Both went farther and are more recognized for their other teams. Who remembers Vlade threatening to retire instead of report here when we traded for him? Who remembers Kobe as a high schooler telling us he wont play here trade me! Who remembers Anthony Mason being pissed he got traded here. The stigma Charlotte has as an undesirable fairweather market started with the Hornets. And thats what you wanna bring back? Thats what you aspire to be? A team that to NEVER retains their talent and makes it to the 2nd round occassionaly? Thats the pinnacle and best we can hope for? LOL

Ye with little to no faith in the Bobs are not the same as the people who are diehards. Theyre not asking them to be a watered down Hornets, they accept and have no qualms with our identity.

[stun704]

What did the Hornets do for Charlotte other than up and leave? Any titles? Any Finals appearances? Gee, attendance records are great, but we also hold worst attendance records. The Hornets arevthe exact opposite of what we should be. A team good enough to lose in the first round, but not sorry enough to hit the lottery and get better. All the Hornets stars HATED IT HERE. Ask Zo about Charlotte, ask Larry. Both went farther and are more recognized for their other teams. Who remembers Vlade threatening to retire instead of report here when we traded for him? Who remembers Kobe as a high schooler telling us he wont play here trade me! Who remembers Anthony Mason being pissed he got traded here. The stigma Charlotte has as an undesirable fairweather market started with the Hornets. And thats what you wanna bring back? Thats what you aspire to be? A team that to NEVER retains their talent and makes it to the 2nd round occassionaly? Thats the pinnacle and best we can hope for? LOL

Ye with little to no faith in the Bobs are not the same as the people who are diehards. Theyre not asking them to be a watered down Hornets, they accept and have no qualms with our identity.I believe that has more to do with George Shinn and less to do with the brand itself

[Black]

I don't know why King-T is so passionately against the idea, but he's preaching the same stuff on the Huddle. Anyway, I'm 100% for it. I respect his position, but I don't agree with any of it.

[JGib23]

King T - will u support the team after they rebrand? I'm just curious.

It's fruitless to try and compare Hornets success/ failures and Bobcats success/failures. We aren't trading franchises or ownership groups or players. Everything you love about the Bobcats will still be here except the shitty name.

I mean this Bobcats team is the worst team in the history of the NBA. There is nothing in the history of basketball for any team in any city worse than this. It's laughable to try to diminish the history of the Charlotte Hornets when we have the worst team to ever lace them up.

[JGib23]

#charlottehornets

[John Morgan]

"Catch the buzz" does not support the Bobcats. Their a tiny vocal grassroots movement built on the premise of erasing Bob Johnson and the Bobcats from Charlotte's memory. To them the Bobcats name represents Bob Johnson and upward mobility in our community, so by their logic, it shouldnt be a part of NC. Its a very close minded, bitter, anti-diversity mentality because I dont see catch the buzz attempting to gentrify any other NC sports team into the Hornets. This is only gonna get uglier and uglier, and the people involved in catch the buzz are not gonna come up smelling roses. So again, Bobcats fans with little to no faith, please jump off now and join these guys. John Morgan and his cronies come to Bobcat games and tell people to cheer for the Hornets. They arent Bobcat fans. Just simple minded people from the Carolinas with too much time on their hands. Ask John Morgan where he was at in 2003 when we came up with our franchise?

King, you're a sweetheart. You got run out of your own forum, so you carried your love for lil' ol' me with you to the Planet.

The offer for the autographed 8x10 still stands :)

[SWedd523]

I don't know how bad the huddle thread got and I don't care. We're going to keep this one on topic. It's been good up to this point so if you guys want to be cute with each other then I suggest using the PM function.

[King Taharqa]

John look at my join date and look at yours. I was here long before you sir. Enjoy your 15 minutes and continue to enjoy our Charlotte Bobcats. Enjoy watching our team and franchise continue to grow and develop for years to come! GO BOBS GO! F A HORNET!

[stun704]

John look at my join date and look at yours. I was here long before you sir. Enjoy your 15 minutes and continue to enjoy our Charlotte Bobcats. Enjoy watching our team and franchise continue to grow and develop for years to come! GO BOBS GO! F A HORNET!

Its ironic that you're fully repping the cougar brand(which isn't the bobcats)

[John Morgan]

I don't know how bad the huddle thread got and I don't care. We're going to keep this one on topic. It's been good up to this point so if you guys want to be cute with each other then I suggest using the PM function.

I'm with ya, Wedd. I realize I'm just feeding the troll, which is a waste of time. I shouldn't have responded; sorry for that.

[Keetch]

If we change the name back to Hornets; I think old Bobcats gear will become collectible; especially if we win the worse record record. I'll be keeping mine.

[Mustachio]

This is getting kind of ugly.

John Morgan is wrong to say we will sell out just because its the Hornets or that its an easy fix because it isnt, but I think Taharqa is a little off base here. I appreciate Bob Johnsons bringing basketball back to Charlotte. But lets not act like it wouldn't have happened without him. And lets definitely not act like "upward mobility" or anything else like that is even in play. Bob Johnson lived in Washington. He spent very very little time here. Again i appreciate he brought it back, but lets not act like he was a good owner. He sold at the very first opportunity for god sake. I am not saying it was, but it has always felt like this was an ego play for him. Felt like, and thats important.

Im good either way, don't question my fan hood as I'm a season ticket holder since day 1, but I do think it would be cool to get our rightful name back. Its a preference, lets leave it at that. Lets not add racial subplots or upward mobility, or Bob Johnsons validity to the debate. Its strictly a preference deal. And it seems to me the majority preference is to change the name back.

[QC Thundercats]

Man, I have whole lot I wanna say in response, but don't think I have time here at work while covertly typing on my phone. But I wanted to make a couple points:

First, let's put this whole suppressing upward mobility and anti-diversity movement to rest. As far as I know, Jordan is still the only black majority team owner in the entire NBA, if not all major leagues. The top three executives of the team are two black guys and an Asian guy. The mayor of Charlotte is black, so somebody in Charlotte is voting for him, and he just got reelected last fall. That is as upwardly mobile and diverse as you can get.

My family is composed of half a dozen different races and ethnicities, and would like to see the name back - are we now pushing for anti-diversity? Be careful of lumping together everybody into one characterization, not everybody sits in the same pretty box that you create.

This movement isn't to suppress the history of the bobcats, or any sinister alterior motive. It's more of getting a clean slate and reclaiming our rightful name and history. I appreciate Bob Johnson helping to bring our team back. He made business decisions that didn't work, and made a business decision to sell the team. Why should we hold any loyalty to him anymore? If Jordan makes a business decision to get the name back, does that make him a suppressor too?

Second main point - it's wrong to call people's loyalty in question based on the name. My loyalty, and I assume most people's loyalty, are to CHARLOTTE'S team. I cheer for the Panthers through thick and thin because it's CHARLOTTE'S team. Same with the old hornets, but the moment they set foot in new orleans, they were my least favorite team and I wished them nothing but failure. Now with the bobcats, I'm behind them 100% because they are CHARLOTTE'S team. If we don't change the name, then I'll cheer my ass off for the bobcats to win a championship and wear their gear proudly. If they do change the name, I'll be the exact same way, but it will have more meaning because it will be full circle for me.

The question is, if the name does change to the Hornets, will all you Bobcats name proponents continue to cheer for CHARLOTTE'S team, or will you be hypocritical and stop cheering for them just because of a name?

[Proudiddy]

Man, I have whole lot I wanna say in response, but don't think I have time here at work while covertly typing on my phone. But I wanted to make a couple points:

First, let's put this whole suppressing upward mobility and anti-diversity movement to rest. As far as I know, Jordan is still the only black majority team owner in the entire NBA, if not all major leagues. The top three executives of the team are two black guys and an Asian guy. The mayor of Charlotte is black, so somebody in Charlotte is voting for him, and he just got reelected last fall. That is as upwardly mobile and diverse as you can get.

My family is composed of half a dozen different races and ethnicities, and would like to see the name back - are we now pushing for anti-diversity? Be careful of lumping together everybody into one characterization, not everybody sits in the same pretty box that you create.

This movement isn't to suppress the history of the bobcats, or any sinister alterior motive. It's more of getting a clean slate and reclaiming our rightful name and history. I appreciate Bob Johnson helping to bring our team back. He made business decisions that didn't work, and made a business decision to sell the team. Why should we hold any loyalty to him anymore? If Jordan makes a business decision to get the name back, does that make him a suppressor too?

Second main point - it's wrong to call people's loyalty in question based on the name. My loyalty, and I assume most people's loyalty, are to CHARLOTTE'S team. I cheer for the Panthers through thick and thin because it's CHARLOTTE'S team. Same with the old hornets, but the moment they set foot in new orleans, they were my least favorite team and I wished them nothing but failure. Now with the bobcats, I'm behind them 100% because they are CHARLOTTE'S team. If we don't change the name, then I'll cheer my ass off for the bobcats to win a championship and wear their gear proudly. If they do change the name, I'll be the exact same way, but it will have more meaning because it will be full circle for me.

The question is, if the name does change to the Hornets, will all you Bobcats name proponents continue to cheer for CHARLOTTE'S team, or will you be hypocritical and stop cheering for them just because of a name?
WOW. That was amazing. I think I got a boner and shed a tear simultaneously while performing a standing slow clap in front of my computer monitor.

This may be the best, most concise, and most complete post I've ever read regarding this subject.

Thank you QCTC, that was awesome.

But, I'd just like to tell you from now on, just know to ignore KT's race baiting... He knows every bit of what you just wrote, as do most Bobcats fans. He does it to derail threads and "suppress" the movement. It irks him that much that he has resorted to this kind of stuff.

But again, thank you for this awesome post.

[Dcarnys]

WOW. That was amazing. I think I got a boner and shed a tear simultaneously while performing a standing slow clap in front of my computer monitor.

Couldn't explain it any better myself.

[King Taharqa]

To each his own. Some people want to straddle the fence. This year they're Hornets fans, Bobs make the playoffs next year, its back to being a Bobcats fan.

This year Im a Panther fan, but if we suck, upp, I'm a Saints fan now. And if you dont understand then you're a troll, you're unreasonable. ONLY IN CHARLOTTE AND ONLY IN NORTH CAROLINA DO SPORTS FANS THINK LIKE THIS AND THINK ITS COOL AND ACCEPTABLE.

Others of us are firm in who and what we support. When the Panthers sucked last year, I didnt ask for rebrand.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

It has little do with being fair weather. The reality is that the old name colors and identity have a long enough history in the area that people feel a connection to it. The way I am seeing this is that nobody has said they would not support the team if it were to remain the Charlotte Bobcats. What most are in essence saying is that they have a connection to the name Hornets and some to a certain extent also feel a connection to the colors and logo. They would LIKE to see the old name at least returned and if possible every part that went with the name in the past. In no way does that make them fair weather fans or somehow unworthy of the team in your state. In the same way you are not more validated as a fan because you like the name, colors and look of the team as it is as of now.

This does not really mean squat at the end of the day. As I myself said in a previous post in regards to the teams name, colors and logo, if they were to be called the Charlotte Sh%^ and had sh%^ brown and black for it's colors and had a pile of sh&^ for a logo I would support the team at this point. That does not mean me or anyone else has no right to want to have the Charlotte Hornets return. Just as you yourself are happy with the current name, logo and colors. It does not make you wrong or right any more than it makes those who differ from you wrong or right. We are fans who support the team and we all are free to have our own opinions. There is no wrong or right in this. Whatever happens and however the team is named and what image it has will be what it is and we will all pull behind our team and root for them.

[SWedd523]

Tex, I've seen quite a few people say "I'll never support the Bobcats" or "They won't get my money until they rebrand"

[teej]

Couple thoughts

A) I'm a Season Ticket Holder, and most of the folks who sit around me are as well. In our section, that means well over a thousand dollars per year commitment to the BOBCATS. And guess what. When I show up in my Charlotte Hornets hat, just about everyone says something of "man, I wish we had that name back." It's not a fringe movement. I have yet to meet an STH who isn't in favor of a rebrand, and these are the most loyal customers that the BOBCATS have.

B) I've been in favor of a name change since I first read about people not liking it...and that was when this team was winning under Larry. Don't call me a fair weather fan since I want a name change when the Bobcats are losing. I wanted it when they made the playoffs.

C) While Bobcats may be a Carolinian species, I've got a lot more historical connection to Hornets, as every red-blooded American from Charlotte should. Whether Bob Johnson named the team after himself cannot be ascertained, but the assumption is he did. And oh by the way Taharqa, the couple that sits directly behind me is an older black couple, and they resent Bobby J as much or more than I do, not just for the name. It's not racist or upwardly immobile or any other ignorant shit you try to come up with.

D) Hornets snapbacks are a fad, yes. But for those of us who live in the area, Hornets is not a fad. It's to Charlotte what Jazz is to New Orleans or Steelers is to Pittsburgh.

E) If given the chance, MJ will change the name, I have no doubt. You don't put pinstripes on the jerseys and hire Paul Silas and Carl Scheer and add the noise meter on the scoreboard and constantly talk about when the Hornets were here if you don't plan on making a change.

That's my story, and I'll be damned if I don't stick to it. And if you've got a problem, I'll be in section 101 row N, come bitch to all of us who want the Hornets back.

[Proudiddy]

I love you teej.

[Mustachio]

add the noise meter on the scoreboard .

few things made me happier as a kid than seeing the last Hugo light up when the decibel level went nuts.

[King Taharqa]

Teej how many of those season ticket holders are willing to put up $$$ for the rebrand? My estimation is none are. If theres no money behind the movement it is fringe. It is a fad. Im a red blooded American from Charlotte, who feels no connection to the Hornets, guess Im an anomaly. Funny thing is, walking the streets of Charlotte I never hear people goin gaga over the Hornets history. Never hear anyone bragging about attendance records, none of that. If its so many season ticket holders, why cant you raise $$$? I mean it is important to YOU right? It is your history right?


I bought a ticket to the NASCAR HOF, guess that means I can tell em how to run their business and what it should be named right? Only in Charlotte.

[Proudiddy]

Yet another easy fallback argument for the detractors that lacks any true substance or makes any rational sense at all.

Why do fans need to raise money for a professional franchise? So, if they remain the Bobcats and redesign the logo and color scheme, are you expected to donate more money than what you already contribute as a fan? It's stupid. Teams redesign logos, fonts, colors, etc. all the time, and they don't go around selling donuts to get the money for it.

What a joke.

The movement is about bringing attention to the possibility, suggesting the positive reasons for rebranding, and then the rest is up to MJ. This isn't some violent military coup. It's a fan base suggesting that they like something and asking the front office to address it. So why do you need to give money for making a strong suggestion?

[Scottley Crue]

few things made me happier as a kid than seeing the last Hugo light up when the decibel level went nuts.

You and me both. You and me both. As far as kid me was concerned, that was the best thing ever.

[King Taharqa]

A Bobcat fan on a Bobcat board is hardly a detractor. Id say Hornets fans who want us to deviate from the plan and goals MJ and Cho set fit that mold more.

Asking the people who are dying for a rebrand to raise money for their cause is not illogical, its practical. Especially with the debt we're currently in. If theres thousands upon thousands of local fans who want the Hornets back, raising a few mill should be easy. If they did, Id support it and praise them for investing in the franchise rather than just making demands. But the Hornets fad movement believes in welfare and begging. I havent seen them ask their supporters for financial commitment or donations. Just electronic signatures. LMAO. I havent seen them do anything but milk their 15 minutes, overembellish the Hornets, and trash the Bobs. Its gonna take a hell of a lot more to justify a rebrand.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Tex, I've seen quite a few people say "I'll never support the Bobcats" or "They won't get my money until they rebrand"I feel sorry for those people and taking them to task is fine but the insinuation was that if we are somehow not for the name and look staying as is we are not worthy to be fans of the team. If he was only calling out some people than I apologize. However I don't think that is what he was alluding to.

[SWedd523]

Not a worry, I was just trying to qualify your post a bit with some anecdotal stuff of my own. All of those people going on about "Change the name back to Hornets and I'll think about supporting the team" are ass hats as far as I'm concerned. We should be so excited to actually have a team (no matter how bad) back that we'll support them no matter what. We don't realize how good we have it. Look at places like Seattle, Kansas City, Las Vegas, San Diego, etc. that would KILL to have a team, and we've had two! Embrace and support the team regardless.

But looking at it from a detached POV, it really seems to be breaking up into 5 groups:

Group A: I want the Hornets and will only support the Hornets. I will never support the Bobcats or attend their games
Group B: I want the Hornets but will continue to support the Bobcats.
Group C: I want the Bobcats and will only support the Bobcats. I will never support the Hornets or attend their games
Group D: I want the Bobcats but will support the Hornets if we get that name
Group E: I don't care

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Not a worry, I was just trying to qualify your post a bit with some anecdotal stuff of my own. All of those people going on about "Change the name back to Hornets and I'll think about supporting the team" are ass hats as far as I'm concerned. We should be so excited to actually have a team (no matter how bad) back that we'll support them no matter what. We don't realize how good we have it. Look at places like Seattle, Kansas City, Las Vegas, San Diego, etc. that would KILL to have a team, and we've had two! Embrace and support the team regardless.

But looking at it from a detached POV, it really seems to be breaking up into 5 groups:

Group A: I want the Hornets and will only support the Hornets. I will never support the Bobcats or attend their games
Group B: I want the Hornets but will continue to support the Bobcats.
Group C: I want the Bobcats and will only support the Bobcats. I will never support the Hornets or attend their games
Group D: I want the Bobcats but will support the Hornets if we get that name
Group E: I don't careI am of the Group B way of thinking.

[King Taharqa]

Im in group F: I want and support the Bobs. Ive already been a Hornets season ticket holder/supporter in the 80s and 90s and have no interest in attempting to "recreate the past". The future is more exciting. Id rather love the girl Im currently with than bellyache over my ex that walked out on me.

[QC Thundercats]

This has been an interesting debate, and its good to hear differing points of view. King T - I respect that you love the Bobcats brand and could care less about the Hornets brand, and understand it to a degree, but I disagree with a lot of your arguments to back up your points. There seems to be a ton of misunderstanding of what everyone's trying to say, and I know its frustrating on both sides. Maybe this will help clarify things. If not, oh well...


Some people want to straddle the fence. This year they're Hornets fans, Bobs make the playoffs next year, its back to being a Bobcats fan.

This year Im a Panther fan, but if we suck, upp, I'm a Saints fan now.

There is no fence straddling going on here. I couldn't care less about the NEW ORLEANS Hornets. We're not looking to bring that team here, or cheering for Jarret Jack, Ariza, and Kaman. Again, its about CHARLOTTE'S team. When we say we love the Hornets, its the CHARLOTTE HORNETS name and history we love. I don't think anybody here could give a damn about the NEW ORLEANS Hornets. If you met a couple people that still like New Orleans, thats just them, but nobody here's affection is going back and forth with the teams in New Orleans.


If theres no money behind the movement it is fringe. It is a fad.

The facebook movement in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, etc. had no money behind it, and that sure wasn't a fringe, a fad. It made a huge difference in the lives of hundreds of thousands of people in trying to free themselves from tyranny.


Im a red blooded American from Charlotte, who feels no connection to the Hornets, guess Im an anomaly. Funny thing is, walking the streets of Charlotte I never hear people goin gaga over the Hornets history. Never hear anyone bragging about attendance records, none of that.

I'm a red blooded American from Charlotte, who feels a strong connection to the CHARLOTTE (not New Orleans) Hornets. The streets of Charlotte sure are talking and going gaga over the Hornets history. Turn on the Charlotte sports talk radio stations, this has been a main topic of discussion for weeks, taking up entire shows. And the majority of people that call in all want the change, including out of town, national guests.


I bought a ticket to the NASCAR HOF, guess that means I can tell em how to run their business and what it should be named right? Only in Charlotte.

We're not telling MJ what to do, just bringing awareness to him and how much it means, and if he's a smart businessman, he'll follow the money.


A Bobcat fan on a Bobcat board is hardly a detractor. Id say Hornets fans who want us to deviate from the plan and goals MJ and Cho set fit that mold more.

Of course you're not a detractor, I wish more people could have the same passion for the team as you. But us Hornets fans (I don't think I have to emphasize which city anymore) want the exact same plan regardless of what we're called. Changing the brand does not in any way deviate the plan and goals MJ and Cho set. We all want their plan to rebuild to keep going forward as it was. In fact, the plans and goals of those two are probably to start making more money so they can afford to bring in free agents, and the rebrand will do that tenfold.


Asking the people who are dying for a rebrand to raise money for their cause is not illogical, its practical. If theres thousands upon thousands of local fans who want the Hornets back, raising a few mill should be easy. If they did, Id support it and praise them for investing in the franchise rather than just making demands.

I agree, it isn't necessarily illogical to raise money, and I'm sure if asked for a few bucks, plenty of people would shell out. What Teej mentioned before about his season ticket section was that, they in fact did support and invest in the franchise by buying the tickets. Thats one of the ways teams raise capital is through ticket sales, and they have a right to voice their opinions to management. But besides that, its still ultimately up to Jordan, because in this tough economy

Michael Jordan Net worth: $525 millionand he can just make it a simple business tax writeoff.


I havent seen them do anything but milk their 15 minutes, overembellish the Hornets, and trash the Bobs. Its gonna take a hell of a lot more to justify a rebrand.

Maybe a couple of people have been like that, but if you've been listening to what the people on this board have been saying, we're not trashing the Bobcats, we're all suffering through the season together and hoping they get better, and we're not overembellishing the Hornets (again, it seems that you think we like the NEW ORLEANS Hornets, when we are pulling for CHARLOTTE'S team). The justification of the rebrand is the history I went through on page 11 or 12 - basically our old minor league baseball and football team, the revolutionary war fighters who chased England out, the Charlotte government - all embrace the name Hornets.


Im in group F: I want and support the Bobs. Ive already been a Hornets season ticket holder/supporter in the 80s and 90s and have no interest in attempting to "recreate the past". The future is more exciting. Id rather love the girl Im currently with than bellyache over my ex that walked out on me.

That's fair that you like the current brand as is, and don't want to look back. However, I wouldn't say that its an ex that walked out on us, its more like our soulmate was kidnapped and ripped away from us by an evil bastard, and now that we finally found her again, we just want to bring her back home.

Wow, that was fun.



Oh yeah, and -
Poll: What nickname do you favor for Charlotte's NBA team?

Bobcats
229
3%


Cougars
398
5%


Hornets
6257
84%


Other (post your suggestion in comments)
155
2%


I don't care
440
6%


Total Votes: 7479




Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/04/16/3178967/poll-what-nickname-do-you-favor.html#storylink=cpy

The streets are talking


WOW. That was amazing. I think I got a boner and shed a tear simultaneously while performing a standing slow clap in front of my computer monitor.
Haha, thanks, don't know whether to take that as a compliment or be completely creeped out.

[CLTHornCats]

Im in group F: I want and support the Bobs. Ive already been a Hornets season ticket holder/supporter in the 80s and 90s and have no interest in attempting to "recreate the past". The future is more exciting. Id rather love the girl Im currently with than bellyache over my ex that walked out on me.

This thought process is illogical, though. The "girl" you should be talking about is the city of Charlotte. Not a team mascot. The Hornets namesake is not the one that left town and soured this city to the NBA - that was a man by the name of George Shinn. Last time I checked, if the Hornets name returns, Shinn won't be coming with it. I support Charlotte sports. Panthers, Bobcats, Checkers, Hounds, etc. If any of those teams changed their names, whether I liked it or not, I'd still support them. The Bobcats changing their name to the Hornets won't change the names on the back of the jerseys or how they perform, nor will it change how the team is run. Everyone has their own preference fo what the mascot should be, but the main point is we should all be rooting for Charlotte's NBA team - Bobcats, Hornets, Flight or whatever else they might be called.

[Mustachio]

I would like to interject that this is about a nickname and whether or not it feels appropriate. nothing else. The fact that this franchise is ON THE REGULAR called the Charlotte Hornets in even major media outlets is a massive sign as to what the world identifies us with. We are identified with the Hornets. It was our first national deal, and even 10 years after they were stripped away from us, you can still see a misprint in the USA Today calling us the Hornets. Its just our identity and some of us want it back.

[King Taharqa]

This thought process is illogical, though. The "girl" you should be talking about is the city of Charlotte. Not a team mascot. The Hornets namesake is not the one that left town and soured this city to the NBA - that was a man by the name of George Shinn. Last time I checked, if the Hornets name returns, Shinn won't be coming with it. I support Charlotte sports. Panthers, Bobcats, Checkers, Hounds, etc. If any of those teams changed their names, whether I liked it or not, I'd still support them. The Bobcats changing their name to the Hornets won't change the names on the back of the jerseys or how they perform, nor will it change how the team is run. Everyone has their own preference fo what the mascot should be, but the main point is we should all be rooting for Charlotte's NBA team - Bobcats, Hornets, Flight or whatever else they might be called.


No sir. The city of Charlotte isnt a bball team. The Bobcats are my "girl". Just like Hornets are some of you guys "girl". Even though she's been in and still is in NO, you prop her up over your citys team. My allegiance is with the team and franchise. The only time people claim to be "Charlotte city" fans is when it comes to the Bobs. If that were the case UNCC would be a lot bigger here and get a lot more coverage. Yet the sit behind UNC and Duke's shadow because Charlotte would rather bandwagon with winners elsewhere than support and tough it out with their own. And dont ask those folks who their college team in football is, guarantee its another schoool. Where's that Charlotte pride for them? It dont exist.

If I hated the team, hate the logo, hate the founder, hate the history, ONLY value the city they play in, how am I a Bobcats fan? Id say Im more a Charlottean who simply has access to NBA games than someone passionate about the Bobs. Do yall want to change the name of this site too?

Is patience and toughness too much to ask? 2 years ago this forum was jumping with excitement over MJ and playoffs. Bobs tank to get a high pick and fans are bailing left and right. Openly praising another franchise and begging ours to morph into it. Its just not a good look for Charlotte sports fans right now. We look soft, disloyal, spoiled, an undeserving of the SECOND NBA team we were granted.

[JGib23]

Fans were asking for a rebrand from the first day that MJ bought the team. MJ himself even addresses it in his press conference.

It's not a fad and it only continues to grow. It has exploded in the last 2 weeks not because the Bobcats are losing but, because it has become obvious that the Hornets name will become available.

I preferred a name change before the Hornets name became available but, I wasn't really happy with any of the choice because we were going from a terrible nickname to a slightly better nickname. But now with the Hornets name becoming available again- the rebranding movement has turned into a tsunami of support. MJ would be foolish to ignore the will of what seems to be an overwhelming majority of fans.

[Jennings]

I think eventually it's gonna become a PR nightmare for MJ. I think he will have to change it eventually.

[CLTHornCats]

No sir. The city of Charlotte isnt a bball team. The Bobcats are my "girl". Just like Hornets are some of you guys "girl". Even though she's been in and still is in NO, you prop her up over your citys team. My allegiance is with the team and franchise. The only time people claim to be "Charlotte city" fans is when it comes to the Bobs. If that were the case UNCC would be a lot bigger here and get a lot more coverage. Yet the sit behind UNC and Duke's shadow because Charlotte would rather bandwagon with winners elsewhere than support and tough it out with their own. And dont ask those folks who their college team in football is, guarantee its another schoool. Where's that Charlotte pride for them? It dont exist.

If I hated the team, hate the logo, hate the founder, hate the history, ONLY value the city they play in, how am I a Bobcats fan? Id say Im more a Charlottean who simply has access to NBA games than someone passionate about the Bobs. Do yall want to change the name of this site too?

Is patience and toughness too much to ask? 2 years ago this forum was jumping with excitement over MJ and playoffs. Bobs tank to get a high pick and fans are bailing left and right. Openly praising another franchise and begging ours to morph into it. Its just not a good look for Charlotte sports fans right now. We look soft, disloyal, spoiled, an undeserving of the SECOND NBA team we were granted.

You convolute every argument and drag in points that have no relevance to this discussion.

College sports fanaticism is worlds different from pro sports - so don't even try to rationalize that with a UNCC v Duke/UNC argument.

I'm a Bobcats fan because they represent Charlotte. Why would I be a fan of any pro sports team unless they existed in my city? That's the whole reason fans show up in the first place. I wouldn't be a Bobcats fan if they up and moved, but by your own account, you would based on your logic. I never said I hate the history, founder, or anything about the Bobcats logo or mascot. I'm a loyal and fervent Bobcats fan because it says Charlotte across their chests. If I wanted to pick a team to follow based off of colors and mascots, I wouldn't be on this forum. The whole point is simply preferring the Hornets name and mascot over the Bobcats to best represent Charlotte. Will I still support the Bobcats if they never changed their name, mascot or logo? Of course. But I'd love to have the Hornets moniker back instead. Your argument about winning and patience has nothing to do with a name change. I don't care if they go 82-0 next year, I'd still prefer the name Hornets over Bobcats.

You're wanting to paint all fans with a wide brush who don't support your argument. You have to face the facts that a HUGE majority want a re-brand. If you want to dig your feet in and avoid reality, go right ahead.

[Mustachio]

Is patience and toughness too much to ask? 2 years ago this forum was jumping with excitement over MJ and playoffs. Bobs tank to get a high pick and fans are bailing left and right. Openly praising another franchise and begging ours to morph into it. Its just not a good look for Charlotte sports fans right now. We look soft, disloyal, spoiled, an undeserving of the SECOND NBA team we were granted.


How many times are you gonna post bogus allegations to hold up your argument? No one is openly praising another franchise. In fact I would say 99% of us cannot stand The New Orleans Hornets. No one wants the Hornets franchise... no one, stop bringing it up. We want the current team, we want the current management, these guys are advocating nothing more than a name change. I agree that this city should be cheering on the Bobcats in their current form, but asking people to go sit indoors and watch 30 point blowouts while they could be outside in the beautiful weather drinking a beer or whatever. This city is a little bandwagonish these days... but honestly every city is. It has more to do with our geographical limitations being erased by the internet and tv.

But go ahead and turn around what I said to mean I am somehow cheering on the New Orleans Hornets.

[CLTHornCats]

how many times are you gonna post bogus allegations to hold up your argument? No one is openly praising another franchise. In fact i would say 99% of us cannot stand the new orleans hornets. No one wants the hornets franchise... No one, stop bringing it up. We want the current team, we want the current management, these guys are advocating nothing more than a name change. I agree that this city should be cheering on the bobcats in their current form, but asking people to go sit indoors and watch 30 point blowouts while they could be outside in the beautiful weather drinking a beer or whatever. This city is a little bandwagonish these days... But honestly every city is. It has more to do with our geographical limitations being erased by the internet and tv.

But go ahead and turn around what i said to mean i am somehow cheering on the new orleans hornets.

*slow clap*

[kickazzz2000]

This discussion has devolved to the point that the thread is fucking retarded. :facepalm:

Im in group B, for the record. I despise the idiots in group A, but i'm pretty safe in saying that here, because anyone in group A WOULDNT BE POSTING HERE ANYWAY.

[Chef]

This discussion has devolved to the point that the thread is fucking retarded. :facepalm:


http://static.flickr.com/3543/3502140649_14dc5d32b4_z.jpg

that's right. lock it down.

[John Morgan]

I agree...the thread has devolved at a rapid pace.

But it's only because of one troll. His sole motive (on this site and others) is to convince the mods to do just this; to get the thread locked so no one can discuss actual news about the matter at hand. Isn't there a way to limit the access of said bad apple on this thread, if for no other reason than to continue the dialogue?

Agree with the rebrand or not, this is major news within the organization, and it seems worthy of a robust discussion.

[CLTHornCats]

Solid interview from WFNZ this morning with Muggsy talking about the "old days" and what he thinks about the name change.

http://charlotte.cbslocal.com/2012/04/17/muggsy-bogues-talks-about-the-old-days-and-the-bring-back-the-buzz-campaign/#.T5BN3xJ-VvU.twitter

[Chef]

I agree...the thread has devolved at a rapid pace.

But it's only because of one troll. His sole motive (on this site and others) is to convince the mods to do just this; to get the thread locked so no one can discuss actual news about the matter at hand. Isn't there a way to limit the access of said bad apple on this thread, if for no other reason than to continue the dialogue?

Agree with the rebrand or not, this is major news within the organization, and it seems worthy of a robust discussion.

i think you missed my point. the team's name and/or colors are so far down on my "what's ailing the bobcat's" and "interesting things to talk about" lists. basically, i don't give a harry rat's ass what the name and colors are. i watch for the basketball and right now that is what i think needs to change the most.

but, this is not chef's planet, so feel free to discuss as much as you want to as long as it stays civil and semi-productive, i don't have a problem with it. (not that that matters anyway)

[John Morgan]

No, I got ya Chef. By no means should this be the main concern of the forum, but this particular thread is about the rebrand, which is a valid topic. It would be a shame (and ultimately futile; somebody would just start another one) to shut it down over one troll.

[ziggy]

I don't consider King T a troll at all. He is arguing his point which I have no problem with.

We'll leave the thread open as long as it doesn't devolve into name calling and insults.

[Proudiddy]

I agree with Zig. KT isn't a troll, but some of what he's been doing is trolling - when he calls out fellow fans for NOT being fans. It's divisive. There's a huge difference between expressing your stance and why you feel that way versus expressing how you feel and antagonizing/insulting anyone who doesn't share that opinion.

But, that is usually countered with "you're insulting us by suggesting we change the name."

None of us know the ultimate outcome of this. Will MJ rebrand, will he stick with Bobcats? We don't know. I tend to think he will rebrand with the Cats not denying a rebrand is in the future and some of the comments made by MJ in the past regarding the Hornets. BUT, we don't know.

So, I'd prefer people wouldn't draw a line in the sand just yet, because 95% of us were all fans before and will all be fans after, we just may have differing opinions on what's best for the franchise.

[CLTHornCats]

Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this or brought this up, but I wonder about the possibility of changing the mascot/logo but not our team colors.

I wonder if changing the logo and mascot and NOT the colors would save money during a re-brand. Additionally, it might appease those who want to remain the Bobcats while still bringing the Hornets namesake back home.

I'd love to see those mockup Hornets jerseys and logo that have been floating around in Bobcats colors instead of the teal and purple. Just a thought.

[Mustachio]

Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this or brought this up, but I wonder about the possibility of changing the mascot/logo but not our team colors.

I wonder if changing the logo and mascot and NOT the colors would save money during a re-brand. Additionally, it might appease those who want to remain the Bobcats while still bringing the Hornets namesake back home.

I'd love to see those mockup Hornets jerseys and logo that have been floating around in Bobcats colors instead of the teal and purple. Just a thought.


Thats what I'm pulling for. Little of the old mixed with the new. I think its the perfect compromise. I doubt it would save much money in the change over, but it might. Somebody needs to do a really good mock up using the current Blue/grey/orange I think it can work.

[JGib23]

It may save money but it would be a bad move in my opinion. I think part of the reason the merchandise doesn't move off the shelves is because its ugly ( again just my opinion).

I don't believe it doing something half way.... You either do it all or do nothing.

If they only changed the name, you would still have people asking for different colors.

All or nothing for me.

[QC Thundercats]

Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this or brought this up, but I wonder about the possibility of changing the mascot/logo but not our team colors.

I wonder if changing the logo and mascot and NOT the colors would save money during a re-brand. Additionally, it might appease those who want to remain the Bobcats while still bringing the Hornets namesake back home.

I'd love to see those mockup Hornets jerseys and logo that have been floating around in Bobcats colors instead of the teal and purple. Just a thought.

No, they tried that atrocity when the Sting still existed when we got the Bobcats.

http://content.sportslogos.net/logos/16/305/full/1576.gif

Somebody might think that looks cool, but I'm currently wiping the blood from eyes right now. I've always hated the shade of blue the Bobcats use, its always been to dingy and faded to me - would've looked sweet with Navy Blue. I think if you rebrand, you go all the way. If we're going to embrace the past, then embrace it and not half ass it.

[SWedd523]

It may save money but it would be a bad move in my opinion. I think part of the reason the merchandise doesn't move off the shelves is because its ugly ( again just my opinion).

I don't believe it doing something half way.... You either do it all or do nothing.

If they only changed the name, you would still have people asking for different colors.

All or nothing for me.

You know as soon as they change back to the hornets people will be complaining about the jersey design. Then they'll whine about the font. Then the logo. Then the colors. Then the court.

You see the theme.

[Chef]

You know as soon as they change back to the hornets people will be complaining about the jersey design. Then they'll whine about the font. Then the logo. Then the colors. Then the court.

You see the theme.

i am not from charlotte, didn't care about the hornets (it was all about the bulls then) and still don't. i have always disliked the colors, never have been a fan of teal jerseys and thought the court was distracting and ugly. a basketball court needs absolutely nothing to make it look beautiful, do you hear that minnesota and toronto?

but, if they want to change the name and it makes the people of charlotte come out in support and that allows me to watch them on freakin tv, then fine, i am game.

[bes628]

You know as soon as they change back to the hornets people will be complaining about the jersey design. Then they'll whine about the font. Then the logo. Then the colors. Then the court.

You see the theme.

Well we should probably get it right the first time.

[CLTHornCats]

No, they tried that atrocity when the Sting still existed when we got the Bobcats.

http://content.sportslogos.net/logos/16/305/full/1576.gif

Somebody might think that looks cool, but I'm currently wiping the blood from eyes right now. I've always hated the shade of blue the Bobcats use, its always been to dingy and faded to me - would've looked sweet with Navy Blue. I think if you rebrand, you go all the way. If we're going to embrace the past, then embrace it and not half ass it.

Well, in all fairness, that's a monstrosity of a logo in the first place and it's associated with the WNBA. So, basically, it's a moot point.

In all seriousness though, I had forgotten the Sting took on those colors for a short period before their demise. I agree it's not the greatest looking thing in the world, and I'm more partial to the teal and purple, but just trying to play devil's advocate a bit here. I'd still love to see a real Hornets mockup with Bobcats colors based off the fake uni's and floor that is already circulating. It will probably turn out similar to that Sting logo, but I'd love to take a look for kicks and giggles.

[dnbman]

i am not from charlotte, didn't care about the hornets (it was all about the bulls then) and still don't. i have always disliked the colors, never have been a fan of teal jerseys and thought the court was distracting and ugly. a basketball court needs absolutely nothing to make it look beautiful, do you hear that minnesota and toronto?

but, if they want to change the name and it makes the people of charlotte come out in support and that allows me to watch them on freakin tv, then fine, i am game.

This is pretty much how I feel, though I did like the Hornets in the 90s.

That being said, I'm very happy being a Bobcat fan, I like their colors, and I think it would be ashame to distance ourselves from the first several years just because it wasn't very successful. I like being part of a thing that's growing. It's much more fun to enjoy success when you've been down in the dumps. When we arrive, victory will be much sweeter.

Still, come what may. I'll support this team no matter what it is. I've just been a passionate fan since the organization started and would prefer that we continue to be the Bobcats.

I will say that the bickering over the name is tiresome. Of course, that's what happens when there's nothing much else to talk about except for lottery odds.

[dnbman]

I'd still love to see a real Hornets mockup with Bobcats colors based off the fake uni's and floor that is already circulating. It will probably turn out similar to that Sting logo, but I'd love to take a look for kicks and giggles.com

Assuming it was a good design, that would make me feel a lot better about rebranding.

Though, I completely agree with Swedd's point to: if your ceding to the people's desires, you probably want to do all of the way or you just get more moaning.

[adam187]

anyone who played nba jam growing up probably loves the hornets. and scottie pippen. and penny hardaway. at least that's how i feel.

[John Morgan]

A really great guy/excellent filmmaker named Rusty Sheridan at Yellow Arrow Film got in touch with me a couple months back about creating a little documentary of this whole thing, and this weekend he put together an interview that Muggsy gave a few weeks back in support of the Cause. It'll get your blood pumping; check it out!

vimeo.com/40808917
(Sorry, you have to copy and paste the link into your address bar; there's something wrong with the embed function on Yellow Arrow's Vimeo page).

Off camera, Muggsy couldn't have been more gracious and cool about what we're trying to do; he seemed genuinely pumped up about the whole thing. It was a really exciting day that only got better after seeing Rusty's work...hope y'all dig it!

[CLTHornCats]

Another article talking about the movement and how money is being made off the Hornets brand.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/04/23/3192963/charlotte-hornets-gear-is-back.html

Hard to know how much Charlotte Hornets merchandise is sold, but I'd venture to guess it's at least as profitable, if not marginally more, than Bobcats gear. Even when the Bobcats were competitive in recent years and made a playoff run, I didn't see Bobcats gear flying off the shelves.

[bes628]

Another article talking about the movement and how money is being made off the Hornets brand.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/04/23/3192963/charlotte-hornets-gear-is-back.html

Hard to know how much Charlotte Hornets merchandise is sold, but I'd venture to guess it's at least as profitable, if not marginally more, than Bobcats gear. Even when the Bobcats were competitive in recent years and made a playoff run, I didn't see Bobcats gear flying off the shelves.

Outside of Charlotte I never see Bobcats gear anywhere. Charlotte Hornets on the other hand.....has gear in like 3 sports shops per mall from here to the fucking Key's in Fla.

[CLTHornCats]

Outside of Charlotte I never see Bobcats gear anywhere. Charlotte Hornets on the other hand.....has gear in like 3 sports shops per mall from here to the fucking Key's in Fla.

Now the realist in me knows part of this is due to the nostalgia and day-glow colors that have made a resurgence in the past couple of years. On the other hand, I think it's far from a stretch to say that the Hornets brand is a stronger one and far more recognizable, regardless of fashion trends.

How often do reporters still refer to Charlotte as the Hornets instead of the Bobcats? It's been 10 years!

[JGib23]

The most important part of that article is that the Bobcats Merchandise is DFL in the entire NBA

[skratch]

Another article talking about the movement and how money is being made off the Hornets brand.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/04/23/3192963/charlotte-hornets-gear-is-back.html

Hard to know how much Charlotte Hornets merchandise is sold, but I'd venture to guess it's at least as profitable, if not marginally more, than Bobcats gear. Even when the Bobcats were competitive in recent years and made a playoff run, I didn't see Bobcats gear flying off the shelves.


that purple & grey snapback is nasty, if we get the name back they need to fight a way to make those colors an alternative jersey

[bes628]

lolz, I just noticed in that article poll...more people actually voted for the Cougars > Bobcats.

[Proudiddy]

that purple & grey snapback is nasty, if we get the name back they need to fight a way to make those colors an alternative jersey

It's not a snapback, it's a fitted. I know because I bought one about two weeks ago and yes, it is sick, lol.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/Proudiddy/SAM_1413.jpg

[spectre]

Outside of Charlotte I never see Bobcats gear anywhere. Charlotte Hornets on the other hand.....has gear in like 3 sports shops per mall from here to the fucking Key's in Fla.

I haven't seen it much here in Raleigh until this last year or so. We went bowling in Cary on Saturday and a guy came in wearing the Cougars/Hendo jersey.

Never see Hornets stuff around here.

[CLTHornCats]

I haven't seen it much here in Raleigh until this last year or so. We went bowling in Cary on Saturday and a guy came in wearing the Cougars/Hendo jersey.

Never see Hornets stuff around here.

To your point, and I think it's a fair one, neither brand is entirely strong outside of Charlotte except for the recent fashion resurgence of the Hornets colors/logo. If a re-brand is even being considered, why not choose the mascot that actually has a history in the Charlotte market?

If all things are equal, why wouldn't you change the name back to Hornets, if only for the historical relevance? It's not like changing the name from Bobcats will undo any traction up to this point because, quite frankly, there hasn't been any.

[WAM9]

Well, spekaing of the Raleigh area and logos...

My sons play AAU basketball at a place called Hoops City U just outside of Raleigh. When we went to practivce on Monday, I had a Bobcats sweatshirt on. When I saw one of the employees as I walked in, he said I was brave for wearing that. I simply replied that when we get it turned around, no one can accuse me of being a fair weather fan. During the next 2 hours, I happen to see 2 guys with old Charlotte Hornet's gear on. One was a sweet shirt and one was a hat but the Charlotte Hornets gear outnumbered the Bobcats gear 2-1. Hmmm.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Well, spekaing of the Raleigh area and logos...

My sons play AAU basketball at a place called Hoops City U just outside of Raleigh. When we went to practivce on Monday, I had a Bobcats sweatshirt on. When I saw one of the employees as I walked in, he said I was brave for wearing that. I simply replied that when we get it turned around, no one can accuse me of being a fair weather fan. During the next 2 hours, I happen to see 2 guys with old Charlotte Hornet's gear on. One was a sweet shirt and one was a hat but the Charlotte Hornets gear outnumbered the Bobcats gear 2-1. Hmmm.A small number to draw a conclusion don't you think?...hmmm

I would guess you see very little of Hornets or Bobcats stuff at this point. The Hornets name still exist and is in NOLA and the Bobcats suck. However with a real possibility of the original Hornets name, logo and colors returning I bet in the coming months you will see more Hornets apparel around.

[-Ian-]

Guys, can anyone please tell me the significance of the name "Hornets" to the city of Charlotte.

Because a fan in another board says that Utah is nicknamed as "The Beehive State" so it's more apt if they are going to have the "Hornets" moniker. Thanks.

[ND22]

Guys, can anyone please tell me the significance of the name "Hornets" to the city of Charlotte.

Because a fan in another board says that Utah is nicknamed as "The Beehive State" so it's more apt if they are going to have the "Hornets" moniker. Thanks.

The Hornets were the first professional team in Charlotte.

[Dcarnys]

Guys, can anyone please tell me the significance of the name "Hornets" to the city of Charlotte.

Because a fan in another board says that Utah is nicknamed as "The Beehive State" so it's more apt if they are going to have the "Hornets" moniker. Thanks.

From Wikipedia

A second nickname derives from the American Revolutionary War, when British commander General Cornwallis occupied the city but was driven out by hostile residents, prompting him to write that Charlotte was "a hornet's nest of rebellion," leading to the nickname The Hornet's Nest.

[JGib23]

Guys, can anyone please tell me the significance of the name "Hornets" to the city of Charlotte.

Because a fan in another board says that Utah is nicknamed as "The Beehive State" so it's more apt if they are going to have the "Hornets" moniker. Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsZI6TjfzxI

[Black]

That video is incredible.

[JGib23]

That video is incredible.

It gives me goosebumps. I've watched it like 15 times

[QC Thundercats]

It gives me goosebumps. I've watched it like 15 times

Wow, that really was an awesome video.

A few things:
1)Holy hell did Tyrus get repeatedly banged on HARD this year. I think every opponent's highlight dunk was a facial on TT;
2) I was at that playoff game when Baron took off and completely emasculated Tim Hardaway on that dunk. That might've been the most hyped I've ever been as a sports fan next to Zo's buzzer beater and Steve Smith's double overtime touchdown catch in the playoffs. And I'm glad that clip exists of his 80 footer at the buzzer, I've been looking for that;
3) I love how Boris gets a big red X too, the fat, lazy, unappreciative bastard;
4) Around 2:00 is an awesome clip of Dell punting the ball into the Bulls stands after beating them. Awesome.
5) Damn I miss #3. Hope we can bring him back when his contract is up so he can retire here, but I think the well may be poisoned on that one.

[WAM9]

A small number to draw a conclusion don't you think?...hmmm

It was just an observation, not a conclusion. Hmmmmm.

[Dcarnys]

@rick_bonnell: NBA deputy commish Adam Silver is here...expects to have a conversation with #Bobcats about the Hornets name.”

This just went up a notch.

[Dcarnys]

More from Bonnell

Adam Silver confirmed a name change usually takes 24 months. Said a Bobcats-to-Hornets change simpler since rights already NBA property.

[kickazzz2000]

More from Bonnell

It just moved

[JGib23]

Can't wait to hear more about the Adam Silver & MJ Hornets name change conversation.

This is really exciting.

I guess it is safe to say, the NBA /MJ have noticed the groundswell growing

[CLTHornCats]

Can't wait to hear more about the Adam Silver & MJ Hornets name change conversation.

This is really exciting.

I guess it is safe to say, the NBA /MJ have noticed the groundswell growing

I don't want to get my hopes up because I would hate to be let down, but this HAS to be a good sign and a sign there's something afoot here, right? Right?! Right?!?!

*HEAD EXPLODES*

[JGib23]

Colors/jerseys I saw most at the game last night.
1. Teal & Purple
2. Orange (Knicks)
3. Orange (Syracuse- Melo)
4. Brown (paper bags)
5. Orange (Bobcats)

[CLTHornCats]

This is ripped from the Gaston Gazette regarding Silver and MJ last night:


Silver on a potential name change: “But I haven’t had the conversation with either (new New Orleans owner) Mr. (Tom) Benson or Mr. Jordan. I’ve certainly heard him make those public comments about wanting to come up with a new nickname for the team in New Orleans. I think he mentioned the Jazz and I know Greg Miller of the Utah Jazz isn't ready to give up the Jazz name. But I think it’s something we’ll clearly look at.”

I think it's pretty evident that the league might try and strong-arm MJ and company on this. Obviously it's wait and see mode with whatever Benson does, but at the simplest level, the Hornets name will be free at some point and I think the league knows it's something a majority of the fans would like to have back. I don't trust ownership enough to actually listen to the fans on their own, so it's nice to see the league recognizing the situation and chiming in.

The only oddity from that quote, and maybe he got it before the game, is that Silver claims he didn't talk to MJ about the name-change and Bonnell said that he DID talk to MJ about it.

[JGib23]

Gazette could have talked to Silver before He met with MJ and Bonnell caught up with him later.

Can't wait for the season ending press conference with the local media to hear MJs thoughts

[Mustachio]

And this thread had just gone off the front page too.. smh. Bump.


Pay the Pick purchase plan.
I think this is the perfect opportunity for proponents of the name change to put their money where their mouth is. $43.00 for a season ticket. Call up, buy a Bobcats season ticket, on the phone make sure your rep knows exactly how you feel about the Hornets name change. Write a letter even. But this gives your cause some credence. Now you aren't just some johnny come lately that wants to harken back to the good ol days. Now you support the Charlotte team and have an opportunity to wear your Hornets gear to EVERY game and really make your presence felt. I can just tell you this, that the name change message from a season ticket holder is waaaaay more important than the from the guy who buys one ticket a year to protest the current name.

What say ye, buzzers?

[Proudiddy]

Mustachio, you mind if I copy and paste your post on the movement's FB page?

I think it is an awesome idea?

[Mustachio]

Mustachio, you mind if I copy and paste your post on the movement's FB page?

I think it is an awesome idea?


of course. feel free. just trying to appeal to both sides of the coin.

[Proudiddy]

On second thought, I just appealed to the movement in my own words but asking the same thing... Put some money into this team and tell them you want the Hornets rebrand. As the old saying, money talks.

Great idea Mustachio!

[Deadshot]

Keep in mind that the season ticket could be anywhere from $43 to $170. You are not guaranteed the $43 seat (the team has to secure the #1 pick first....if they get #2, it costs $86, if pick #3, it costs $129, etc).

[JGib23]

My issue with your idea is that I have no desire to sit in those seats.

I'm willing to spend a couple thousand dollars if they make the change. I have emailed the team and even talked to season ticket reps and told them that I would write a check the next day if they change the name.

With me, it's not just the name change that would entice me to write that check, to me the name change also signifies that MJ is listening to what the fans want and is willing to invest in something's that is important to his fans. That earns my respect, trust, and my money

[Mustachio]

Keep in mind that the season ticket could be anywhere from $43 to $170. You are not guaranteed the $43 seat (the team has to secure the #1 pick first....if they get #2, it costs $86, if pick #3, it costs $129, etc).


Small price to pay if the name change means that much to them. I at the very least think the guys heading the charge on this should get these. Worst case scenario you are paying 4$ to see 41 NBA games. Its worth the price... besides the losing, going to games is a blast.

[Mustachio]

My issue with your idea is that I have no desire to sit in those seats.

I'm willing to spend a couple thousand dollars if they make the change. I have emailed the team and even talked to season ticket reps and told them that I would write a check the next day if they change the name.

With me, it's not just the name change that would entice me to write that check, to me the name change also signifies that MJ is listening to what the fans want and is willing to invest in something's that is important to his fans. That earns my respect, trust, and my money

Then take the first step. If you truly are willing to spend a couple thousand dollars when the name changes... I'm sure a season ticket rep will be glad to upgrade your seats to the 1000 dollar level if the name changes. but to be honest I take offense to people who would spend money on the Hornets but not the Bobcats. Consider it a down payment ... but until then, all this name change stuff from non-attendees is just talk.

[Deadshot]

Small price to pay if the name change means that much to them. I at the very least think the guys heading the charge on this should get these. Worst case scenario you are paying 4$ to see 41 NBA games. Its worth the price... besides the losing, going to games is a blast.

Right, I agree. I just wanted to clarify for people who might be confused about the pricing. Heck, I'm a Pacers fan and since moving to Charlotte in January 2011, I've been to at least 15 games here (love NBA basketball). And yes, I will cheer for the Bobcats as long as they aren't playing Indy.

[JGib23]

but to be honest I take offense to people who would spend money on the Hornets but not the Bobcats. Consider it a down payment ... talk.

For clarification, I'm a former Bobcats season ticket holder. I was not satisfied with the level of service that I received and I had concerns related to the season ticket experience that were not addressed. I had lunch with Bob Johnson and was turned off, the Bobcats themselves made me feel like my opinion didn't mean very much. I didn't feel valued.

Its their job to prove to me and every other potential fan that they are worthy of my investment, and for me it goes beyond the product on the floor.

I've been a PSL holder of the Panthers for about 10 years and I have been very happy with how the Panthers value my business.

[JGib23]

Article from New Orleans today about rebranding.

http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ssf/2012/05/new_orleans_eager_to_drape_its.html