Deadline day thread

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

any chance we could get involved in any 3 teamers or straight ups also any idea's on whether Cho can work some magic and turn nothing into something

[adam187]

i am ready for some rampant rumors. been too quiet.

[Jennings]

At least it will give us something to talk about. Dam.

[murphman]

NJ GM is on record saying that he knows his team doesn't have enough assets to do a trade with Orlando by themselves and he has multiple 3 and 4 team trade ideas all mapped out to get Dwight. Very possible we are in a few of those.

Last year, all teams were hesitant to do trades until the Carmelo drama was settled. Once that happened the trades started. I think the same thing will happen again this year with Dwight Howard.

[superb1]

I wish for 3 things

1. to pick up another first rounder.
2. to jettison either Diaw, Diop, Thomas or Carroll
3. to find a good trade for DJA and bring us something equal or better in return (draft pick, cap space, young talent)

oh, let me add one more.....to jettison either Diaw, Diop, Thomas or Carroll

[Toocool]

Diop

Not even with Cho can that realistically be done.
Who would want a fat overpaid useless Center (besides Miami with Eddy Curry, although he's on vet's minimum).

[anton273]

Dont Houston have two first rounders?? Would they want DJ or Diaw or Tyrus for that pick?

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

Got bored on ESPN Trade Machine and ended up with a 4 team trade
Min:
Out Beasley
In: Eduardo Najera, K-Mart and a 1st from the lakers

Charlotte:
Out: DJ Augustin , Najera, Diaw
In: Walton, Tolliver, Thabeet (yeah ik this is where it falls off a bit) Houston 1st Dallas 1st That other pick Houston has 1st

Lakers:
Out: Walton, Gasol 2 1st round draft picks
In: Scola, DJ Augustin, , Beasely

Houston:
Out: Thabeet 2 1st round draft picks K-Mart, Scola
In: Gasol, Gerald Henderson :(

[SWedd523]

Houston pays way too much for a slight upgrade from Scola to Pau

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

[/URL][URL="http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6mjpyn2"]http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6mjpyn2 (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7o8vt8n)
This trade really screws us over for this year and next but it's not like we're gonna be making huge strides by then

I had a nice 4 team including Beasley and the Timberwolves which was probably beyond the realms of all possibility but unfortunately ESPN is screwy and won't give me feedback on it.

Anyway in this trade we get both of LA's firsts and one of houstons


(http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6mjpyn2)

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

Houston pays way too much for a slight upgrade from Scola to Pau
Ye I thought that was an issue as Houston was looking pretty bare in the trade check out my 3 teamer below and I didnt realise the 4 teamer posted sorry.

[murphman]

[/URL][URL="http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6mjpyn2"]http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6mjpyn2 (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7o8vt8n)
This trade really screws us over for this year and next but it's not like we're gonna be making huge strides by then

I had a nice 4 team including Beasley and the Timberwolves which was probably beyond the realms of all possibility but unfortunately ESPN is screwy and won't give me feedback on it.

Anyway in this trade we get both of LA's firsts and one of houstons


(http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6mjpyn2)

That would give us 4 1st round picks. I thought there was a limit of 3 allowed.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

That would give us 4 1st round picks. I thought there was a limit of 3 allowed.
didn't know about the rule before I posted sorry but basically knock out the draft pick thats higher up for the lakers and thats the trade except now its even more unevenly weighted.

[spectre]

I know of no rule limiting how many picks a team can have. There is the Stepien rule, but that's about not having picks in consecutive years.

[murphman]

I may be going off of an old memory that is incorrect. Google search doesn't show any limit. Not sure if I can ever remember a team having 4 picks in the 1st round but it may have happened.

[superb1]

Not even with Cho can that realistically be done.
Who would want a fat overpaid useless Center (besides Miami with Eddy Curry, although he's on vet's minimum).

one can wish

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

Tyrus Thomas and Diaw, Corey Maggete for Blatche, Rashard lewis and their 1st round draft pick?

[Plowright]

No way Wash trade that pick until they know where it lands in the lottery,if they get number 1 they will not trade it and its quite possible

[Plowright]

I know of no rule limiting how many picks a team can have. There is the Stepien rule, but that's about not having picks in consecutive years.

There is no such rule, in 2009 Min had 4 1st rounders if memory serves me correct

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

There is no such rule, in 2009 Min had 4 1st rounders if memory serves me correct
swear they had 3 then Kahn decided to pick Flynn Rubio and Lawson haha

[SWedd523]

There is no limit to the amount of first round draft picks a team can own.


https://webfiles.uci.edu/lcoon/cbafaq/salarycap.htm

[BETCATS]

Tyrus Thomas and Diaw, Corey Maggete for Blatche, Rashard lewis and their 1st round draft pick?

Do we rufie everyone in Washington's front office or let them do that to the Lady Cats?

[ohara831]

I have not heard or seen any rumors regarding the Bobcats since the Blantch for Tyrus one where the Cats declined the deal. No one is playing well enough to draw any interest. What a freaking shame. Maybe things will change a little over the next couple weeks.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

[/URL][URL]http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7hybgsz (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7h5z3hv)
We get both of LA's first rounders and one of Houstons the less favourable pick. We also get Thabeet and Walton who are two bums although I suppose Walton could just stand in the corner waiting for an open 3 and we could D-League Thabeet

[Plowright]

We give LA DJA for Josh Mcroberts and their first rounder. We also let Kobe sleep with whichever Lady Cat he wishes... deal?

[dnbman]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story?id=7637325&_slug_=nba-trade-fixes-heat-magic-hawks-wizards-bobcats&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fstory%3fid%3d7637325%26_slug_%3dnba-trade-fixes-heat-magic-hawks-wizards-bobcats

Insiders: what's the recap for the Bobcats?

[ohara831]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story?id=7637325&_slug_=nba-trade-fixes-heat-magic-hawks-wizards-bobcats&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fstory%3fid%3d7637325%26_slug_%3dnba-trade-fixes-heat-magic-hawks-wizards-bobcats

Insiders: what's the recap for the Bobcats?

Best case scenario is to trade Diaw. But he is overweight, not playing well, and difficult to motivate.

[Plowright]

Apparently Diaw thought about retiring this offseason! Why would anyone trade for someone so unmotivated!? Maybe, just maybe because he is an expiring.

[Chef]

the rumor: Ric Bucher: I'm told that Lamar Odom is desperate to go back to L.A. The Lakers will not take him. The Clippers would love to make that deal, but they don't have the pieces that Dallas would want right now because Dallas wants expiring contracts to be a free-agent player. But don't be surprised if Lamar Odom makes his way back to L.A. It just won't be this season.

the trade:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7fhnrjm

plus: clippers 2014 first (lottery protected) to dallas

2nd trade:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7f95m53

cats out: mags
cats in: walton, world peace

lakers out: walton, metta, both lakers 1sts
lakers in: mags

why: we pay 3 mil next year and 7.7 mil the following to get 2 #1's this year. we won't be using the salary anyway. they lose 10 mil combined over the next 2 years and upgrade the sf position. we still have luke walton expiring next year which is a more movable contract than mags 10+ mil expiring and then metta's the following year for 7.7 expiring.

[adam187]

i got a crazy trade for you guys, no idea if it could get done.

cha out: henderson and najera

minn out: derrick williams

might be overvaluing our guy here, but i think henderson could fill a need for minnesota and do it pretty well.

[BETCATS]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=84y57w9
but only if we get at least 2 future 1st round picks too

[Chef]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=84y57w9
but only if we get at least 2 future 1st round picks too

i'm not sure what i believe less that lebron would only increase our wins by 23 (did you see the cavs last year, we are clearly worse than they were) or that replacing lebron with black hole and fat frenchy only decreases miami's win total by 7.

[docend24]

it would be stupid to trade Diop

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

Something like this where we pick up one of both of NJ's picks and both of the lakers
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7dtms4b
I know it's highly unlikely that we could work that many picks out of a deal like this but we could get a few

then we flip Farmar for someone like Batum

[BETCATS]

Something like this where we pick up one of both of NJ's picks and both of the lakers
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7dtms4b
I know it's highly unlikely that we could work that many picks out of a deal like this but we could get a few

then we flip Farmar for someone like Batum
Why would we trade 4 expiring contracts for 4 bench players? I feel as though we could get more out of DJ+Boris than that, and if we couldnt we are better off spending that money on 1-2 star caliber players than 4 guys who are not.

I'd be happy with something like this:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7cvsydm

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

Why would we trade 4 expiring contracts for 4 bench players? I feel as though we could get more out of DJ+Boris than that, and if we couldnt we are better off spending that money on 1-2 star caliber players than 4 guys who are not.

I'd be happy with something like this:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7cvsydm
Farmar has starter capability's and the contract don't last past next year, who really are we going to get in free agency that is going to change the face of the franchise. This way we get talent this year and then have a few valuable expirings for next which we can turn into assets.

[TattoodCats4life]

Morrow here would be totally kick ass...

[ammofan]

Morrow here would be totally kick ass...

It would be so awesome

[murphman]

Rubio may have an ACL tear but even if he doesn't, he will probably be out for a while.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ah_RlVY5t5_HKNTLIub4iEK8vLYF?slug=aw-wojnarowski_ricky_rubio_knee_injury_nba_030912

Rindour had been a hot item on the trade front by teams really needing a pg/combo guard. Minny had been resistant to take offers and now they can't afford to lose him. One less pg available next Thursday could bump up the demand for DJ.

[Chevalier au Lion]

Marc Stein: "Sources say Charlotte and Boston are discussing a Jermaine O'Neal+2012 First Round Draft pick for Tyrus Thomas"

JO is expiring and he can bring the experience lacks Biyombo. And Biyombo could learn from JO. one species of particular classes. And of course the first round. And get rid of the bad Tyrus´contract.

Please, all pray with me for the trade is made.

[murphman]

Marc Stein: "Sources say Charlotte and Boston are discussing a Jermaine O'Neal+2012 First Round Draft pick for Tyrus Thomas"

JO is expiring and he can bring the experience lacks Biyombo. And Biyombo could learn from JO. one species of particular classes. And of course the first round. And get rid of the bad Tyrus´contract.

Please, all pray with me for the trade is made.

Wow, I wouldn't care if the draft pick is top 20 protected for the next 3 years, I would do this trade in a second!

[ammofan]

Marc Stein: "Sources say Charlotte and Boston are discussing a Jermaine O'Neal+2012 First Round Draft pick for Tyrus Thomas"

JO is expiring and he can bring the experience lacks Biyombo. And Biyombo could learn from JO. one species of particular classes. And of course the first round. And get rid of the bad Tyrus´contract.

Please, all pray with me for the trade is made.

Oh god yes! And where did you find this?

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

OMG are Boston dumb I saw the image of the ESPN article young players to trade for and I thought they were idiots, but now Boston are giving us an expiring and a 1st, are they high, are they drunk. I'm going to laugh myself to sleep today thank you so much Boston. and a first round pick this just get's better and better.

[ammofan]

OMG are Boston dumb I saw the image of the ESPN article young players to trade for and I thought they were idiots, but now Boston are giving us an expiring and a 1st, are they high, are they drunk. I'm going to laugh myself to sleep today thank you so much Boston. and a first round pick this just get's better and better.

Link to the article?

[SJackson1]

would be a great trade for the Bobcats, hopefully it will go through

[spectre]

Marc Stein: "Sources say Charlotte and Boston are discussing a Jermaine O'Neal+2012 First Round Draft pick for Tyrus Thomas"

JO is expiring and he can bring the experience lacks Biyombo. And Biyombo could learn from JO. one species of particular classes. And of course the first round. And get rid of the bad Tyrus´contract.

Please, all pray with me for the trade is made.

This would be just too amazing.

If we pull this off then all should bow to the might of Cho.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

Link to the article?
cant seem to find the link it was posted either yesterday or day before and had a picture of Tyrus couldn't read it because i'm not on insider

[SWedd523]

Depending on the protection on that pick, I would absolutely do that deal.

[Plowright]

I would do that deal in a heartbeat! Hell, if i lived over there i would pack Tyrus's bags and drive him to Boston myself... as long as he paid for fuel. Even if it was protected for many years. I can't see Boston being contenders for much longer so that pick will be mid round, but a late first rounder in this years draft would be epic for giving up just TT and to get out of TT's contract would be HUGE!!! Please let that happen!

[Plowright]

Bill

Thunder trade Mohammed and Jackson to Bobcats for Augustin and R. Williams. Thunder get backups for Westbrook and Durant and Bobcats more salary dump?
Susan Bible

I like it. OKC needs a better backup PG solution as they look toward the playoffs. Of course, it would mean Aldrich has to be ready. And the Bobcats continue the salary dump path.

I just saw this posted on a chat with Susan Bible. What do you guys think? I personally like Jackson and the idea of acquiring him, but not giving up Reggie and DJ for him and Nazr who is just an expiring really

[SWedd523]

No thanks on that one

[dnbman]

That TT trade would make my year, even if we didn't do anything else. It doesn't hurt that O'Neal played high school ball in Columbia, so he'd be coming home, so to speak, to end his career.

I'd love it.

Though, I can't find any legit article about this other than a blog.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7xtmsn5
something like this with Detroits 1st and the less favourable Boston first coming our way and maybe Detroits 2nd}

then something like this
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=8y7298f

[ohara831]

If Cho pulled off the Boston deal, would be amazing. True genius.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

If Cho pulled off the Boston deal, would be amazing. True genius.
If Ainge agreed to the Boston deal, would be an idiot. True Lunatic.
not that I care although I hope T-Time doesn't come back and haunt us someday

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

some trades I saw guys at rufus on fire discussing

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7a798ds
I assume with houston and LA each giving up a pick

and
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7lks3ap
with I think Detroits 2012 1st round pick and Washingtons 2013

and some others I did when I got bored
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=78q2ak9

[Pepperz]

You all about killing cap space? How about we dont make panic moves like those. Keep on the path we have been on in removing unwanted players to clear cap room while sucking enough to get high picks.

The only trade that I heard that interest me is that Bos, Char trade....

Out:TT
In:O'neal + 1st round pick.

We lose a long term contract to get an expiring and 1st round. This is killing two birds with one stone.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

You all about killing cap space? How about we dont make panic moves like those. Keep on the path we have been on in removing unwanted players to clear cap room while sucking enough to get high picks.

The only trade that I heard that interest me is that Bos, Char trade....

Out:TT
In:O'neal + 1st round pick.

We lose a long term contract to get an expiring and 1st round. This is killing two birds with one stone.
I'm just not a believer of clearing cap space for the sake of having cap space, otherwise when we get our young players we'll just end up like Sacremento although I do agree the O'neal trade is good.

[Pepperz]

Im pretty sure we are not clearing space just to clear space. Its just pointless to trade for a guy/guys that we have to still pay 20 mil to just so we can get a late 1st rounder. If paying that much money for an extra 1st rounder is worth it, thats bad management. That is also preventing us from using that same cap flexibility to use in future trades. Sometimes it can be better that we just let the contract expire so we can use that money on better players for more reasonable salaries. Ex.) We can resign DJ for 7 mil or we can sign OJ Mayo/Batum for 7 mil or 8 mil. Way better upgrade at an equal or slight increase in pay.

Its not just about picking up all the draft picks you can get and hope that they turn into something great but a mixture of drafting and signing players.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

Im pretty sure we are not clearing space just to clear space. Its just pointless to trade for a guy/guys that we have to still pay 20 mil to just so we can get a late 1st rounder. If paying that much money for an extra 1st rounder is worth it, thats bad management. That is also preventing us from using that same cap flexibility to use in future trades. Sometimes it can be better that we just let the contract expire so we can use that money on better players for more reasonable salaries. Ex.) We can resign DJ for 7 mil or we can sign OJ Mayo/Batum for 7 mil or 8 mil. Way better upgrade at an equal or slight increase in pay.

Its not just about picking up all the draft picks you can get and hope that they turn into something great but a mixture of drafting and signing players.
I don't think we're in any position to be handing out contracts to people coming of their Rookie contracts (Batum, Mayo). Look where it got us last time (Tyrus) that's how teams get in a financial mess only rookies i'd be interested in handing contract extensions are the ones on there rookie contracts that we have now as we'd probably have a better idea of where they are at. To be honest the whole idea of clearing cap space is so that we can turn it into assets. Right now or next year we have an opportunity to turn our cap space into some toxic contracts which will come packaged with some nice draft picks to aid our rebuilding our rookies will be due extensions basically right after those contracts expire so it's a win win

[Pepperz]

I don't think we're in any position to be handing out contracts to people coming of their Rookie contracts (Batum, Mayo). Look where it got us last time (Tyrus) that's how teams get in a financial mess only rookies i'd be interested in handing contract extensions are the ones on there rookie contracts that we have now as we'd probably have a better idea of where they are at. To be honest the whole idea of clearing cap space is so that we can turn it into assets. Right now or next year we have an opportunity to turn our cap space into some toxic contracts which will come packaged with some nice draft picks to aid our rebuilding our rookies will be due extensions basically right after those contracts expire so it's a win win

Tyrus was a different situation in that we traded a 1st rounder for him on 20 game rental. If we didnt resign him, manager would have taken a big him from the public. So they did what they had to do to save face like over paying for the likes of him. We never lose anything for the likes of Batum or Mayo. This also keeps us above the cap floor that we are supposed to meet. 85% if im correct. Nice draft picks are not picks in the twenties or late teens. The odds of picking up X player that you were looking for than you hope that X player turns out good are not very good odds to begin with. Drafting is not the only way to pick assets up.

By only going your route, you destory your cap space where if there is a quality guy for a great price in FA, you screw yourself. All your money is tied up in toxic player that you wont be able to move. You want to go Cleveland's route in how they are rebuilding. Money is not an issue for them. We have to look at our situation. We dont have the Richest owner in the game so we cant just spend money any which way we want to. But even Cleveland was smart about there trade.

They took on 10 mil to get a top 7 pick in the draft. You want to take on 15+ mil to get a late teens pick. So yeah, you are getting assets but at what cost.

[Chef]

Nice draft picks are not picks in the twenties or late teens. The odds of picking up X player that you were looking for than you hope that X player turns out good are not very good odds to begin with. Drafting is not the only way to pick assets up.


we turned portland's late teens, early 20's pick into bizmack. so acquiring extra picks can allow you many more chances to move up in a draft or gain extra future picks.

[Pepperz]

we turned portland's late teens, early 20's pick into bizmack. so acquiring extra picks can allow you many more chances to move up in a draft or gain extra future picks.

We also didnt take on any extra contracts in the Portland deal. Even in the Bizmack, we never took on any extra length in the deal. Cory and Jackson have same length in contracts. We are not spending anymore then we need to to acquire those picks. What other people are asking for is lets trade every single one of our expiring for a bunch of late 1st rounders at the expense of adding 20 mil of toxic assets.

[polarcat]

I really hope that Boston rumor comes to fruition as that could help us land in the Quincy Miller range. I know it's the Clippers' pick (not the Celtics), but if we bag that up with our 2nd round pick on draft night, move into the teens with our 2nd pick, and we could walk away with Davis and Miller out of this draft. :drool:

Kemba
Henderson
Miller
Davis
Biyombo

[superb1]

Jamal Crawford, Blazers
Potential suitors: Timberwolves, Bobcats
It's obvious that Crawford and Nate McMillan aren't working. Nobody really thought they would, but the lack of money available elsewhere for Crawford made a two-year deal with Portland for $10 million the only contract worth signing. Now, though, the Blazers are looking to cut their losses. Initially, a deal with Minnesota, which coveted Crawford initially, seemed like a no-brainer, with the Blazers re-patriating Luke Ridnour to Oregon. But Ricky Rubio's season-ending ACL tear Friday has made that potential deal much less likely, with the Wolves needing to hold onto their veteran point guard. So, now, according to a source, there's a chance Crawford winds up with the Bobcats in a potential deal for guard D.J. Augustin. Augustin has played just fine this season, but he's expendable now that Kemba Walker is there.

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/features/david_aldridge/03/12/trade-deadline-chatter/index.html

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

Tyrus was a different situation in that we traded a 1st rounder for him on 20 game rental. If we didnt resign him, manager would have taken a big him from the public. So they did what they had to do to save face like over paying for the likes of him. We never lose anything for the likes of Batum or Mayo. This also keeps us above the cap floor that we are supposed to meet. 85% if im correct. Nice draft picks are not picks in the twenties or late teens. The odds of picking up X player that you were looking for than you hope that X player turns out good are not very good odds to begin with. Drafting is not the only way to pick assets up.

By only going your route, you destory your cap space where if there is a quality guy for a great price in FA, you screw yourself. All your money is tied up in toxic player that you wont be able to move. You want to go Cleveland's route in how they are rebuilding. Money is not an issue for them. We have to look at our situation. We dont have the Richest owner in the game so we cant just spend money any which way we want to. But even Cleveland was smart about there trade.

They took on 10 mil to get a top 7 pick in the draft. You want to take on 15+ mil to get a late teens pick. So yeah, you are getting assets but at what cost.
How is Detroits pick a middling pick or any other of the picks I suggested, and Dan Gilbert isn't exactly that rich. He's richer than Jordan ye but he's no Paul Allen either or Cuban or Mikhail Prokhorov

[ohara831]

With TJ Ford retiring from Spurs, there is a reasonable chance to trade DJ to San Antonio for their 1st. Would be a late rounder, but still can get something decent for DJA rather than lose him for nothing.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

With TJ Ford retiring from Spurs, there is a reasonable chance to trade DJ to San Antonio for their 1st. Would be a late rounder, but still can get something decent for DJA rather than lose him for nothing.
TJ Ford's retiring I used to love that guy, but if we fail to get anything better for DJ would like to pull the trigger on that one

[spectre]

With TJ Ford retiring from Spurs, there is a reasonable chance to trade DJ to San Antonio for their 1st. Would be a late rounder, but still can get something decent for DJA rather than lose him for nothing.

I like the idea...but I have no idea how to get the salaries to work short of us taking back multiple players

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

I like the idea...but I have no idea how to get the salaries to work short of us taking back multiple players

off the top of my head this was the only realistic one I could think of
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=85owops
although the Spurs love their draft picks they always draft well and I don't really think taking on Jefferson is worth probably the 27th pick
actually now I come to think of it T-time and Reggie Williams for Richard Jefferson and a draft pick

[Mustachio]

off the top of my head this was the only realistic one I could think of
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=85owops
although the Spurs love their draft picks they always draft well and I don't really think taking on Jefferson is worth probably the 27th pick
actually now I come to think of it T-time and Reggie Williams for Richard Jefferson and a draft pick


Richard Jefferson will be in a Bobcats uniform over my dead body.

[murphman]

Boy are the rumors flying now. Many teams interested in DJ with Portland & Indy being the only two mentioned by name so far. Nets inquiring about Diaw. Next three days are going to be exhausting.

[dnbman]

If we could get something else out of the Crawford deal-- draft pick, out going salary, etc.-- I'd like that deal a lot. Agreed, he'd be a nice matchup with either Kemba or Hendo.

Trading it even doesn't make a whole lot of sense for us though, unless you just want a veteran than can help us transition better.

[ohara831]

Boy are the rumors flying now. Many teams interested in DJ with Portland & Indy being the only two mentioned by name so far. Nets inquiring about Diaw. Next three days are going to be exhausting.

Boy, if we could wrestle away that Rockets 1st from the Nets somehow, would be happy. Top 14 protected, but looks like it will be available this year in that #16-#18 range. But we wont get that for Diaw alone.

[dnbman]

Boy are the rumors flying now. Many teams interested in DJ with Portland & Indy being the only two mentioned by name so far. Nets inquiring about Diaw. Next three days are going to be exhausting.

links?

bananas.

[murphman]

Bonnell tweeted about the interest in DJ. Nets rumors from rotoworld.

Nets fans on realgm said that Okur may be part of the Diaw deal simply because he is injured for the rest of the season but his insurance will pay 80% of his salary which sounds like something MJ would be interested in.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

Bonnell tweeted about the interest in DJ. Nets rumors from rotoworld.

Nets fans on realgm said that Okur may be part of the Diaw deal simply because he is injured for the rest of the season but his insurance will pay 80% of his salary which sounds like something MJ would be interested in.
thank god for mikhail porkhorov's deep pockets

[Pepperz]

How is Detroits pick a middling pick or any other of the picks I suggested, and Dan Gilbert isn't exactly that rich. He's richer than Jordan ye but he's no Paul Allen either or Cuban or Mikhail Prokhorov

Non of those trades will ever happen. Detroit is not going to trade Cancer patient and little ben along with there 1st to receive Diop return. Same with Milwakee trade. They give up Bogut and in return get Diop. Its just not realistic.

[spectre]

The New Jersey Nets would like Boris Diaw’s expiring $9 million contract number, and they’d give up the future first-round pick the Houston Rockets owe them to accomplish that. The Bobcats would have to take players with financial obligations beyond this season.
I hear Jordan Farmar and Johan Petro would come to Charlotte. Would the Bobcats do that and lower their salary-cap flexibility? Hard to say.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/03/12/3093385/observations-bobcats-at-hornets.html#storylink=cpy


I am so all over this one. I think this is stellar return for Boris and not bad salary coming back...and we can definitely use Farmar.

[spectre]

I just read that the Houston pick is lottery protected for the next 2 years and then turns to a 2nd rounder? If that's true then I rescind my previous statement. Almost 8 million is too high for a pick not guaranteed to be in the 1st round.

[ammofan]

When do Farmar and Petro's contract's expire?

[sprtsguyshowonyoutube]

When do Farmar and Petro's contract's expire? Their contract's expire next year

[ohara831]

I just read that the Houston pick is lottery protected for the next 2 years and then turns to a 2nd rounder? If that's true then I rescind my previous statement. Almost 8 million is too high for a pick not guaranteed to be in the 1st round.

Would be a gamble, but maybe worth it. Right now, they are the #8 seed in the West. Behind them is Minny, who just lost Rubio. Then Utah and Portland. Pretty good shot they do get in the playoffs as the #8 in West. 1st round exit, we are talking a pick somewhere in the late teens. For Diaw, and considering we need Farmar to allow a backup to Kemba and then be able to trade DJA, this is very enticing. Are you sure you would not take the gamble? And even more interesting is to know, if this trade is available, is to find out if Cho is a gambler.

[spectre]

Would be a gamble, but maybe worth it. Right now, they are the #8 seed in the West. Behind them is Minny, who just lost Rubio. Then Utah and Portland. Pretty good shot they do get in the playoffs as the #8 in West. 1st round exit, we are talking a pick somewhere in the late teens. For Diaw, and considering we need Farmar to allow a backup to Kemba and then be able to trade DJA, this is very enticing. Are you sure you would not take the gamble? And even more interesting is to know, if this trade is available, is to find out if Cho is a gambler.

I had it wrong...it's lotto protected til 2016; in 2017 it'd turn into a 2nd.

Back to "Hell yes!" for me. Maybe we can even get some cash to offset Petro's contract.

[cls77]

I say lets do it. We weren't going to make a splash in this offseason, so if we can get a 1st rounder and 2 servicable backups for a guy we're not even playing right now, then all the better.

This years draft is going to be stacked. There should still be some good options in the late teens.

And with Farmar and Petro's contracts expiring next year -- we might get to do this all over again :)

[murphman]

Just think if we could get Houston's pick from NJ in the 16-18 range, & get a 1st round pick in the 20's for DJ in a separate trade. If we could find a trade partner on draft night, combining them would get us into the lottery. Quincy Miller, Lamb, Zeller, Beal or Jones anyone?

[ohara831]

As much as I love the Biyombo and Kemba draft, if we followed that up with a Davis and Beal draft, I dont think my heart could stand it. I dont even think I could dare to daydream something like that for the Bobcats. Could you just see a starting 5 of Kemba, Beal, Henderson, Davis and Biyombo? Young, talented and athletic as all heck. That would be a team anyone would love to watch. Would be a dream.

[Mustachio]

As much as I love the Biyombo and Kemba draft, if we followed that up with a Davis and Beal draft, I dont think my heart could stand it. I dont even think I could dare to daydream something like that for the Bobcats. Could you just see a starting 5 of Kemba, Beal, Henderson, Davis and Biyombo? Young, talented and athletic as all heck. That would be a team anyone would love to watch. Would be a dream.


I know very little about Beal, and think it would be cooler if we snuck back into the lottery and got a Quincy Miller type that can play SF and leave Hendo at the 2. BUUUUUUT. The lineup you posted has 3 guys under 20!!!! and no one over 25. that is awesome.

[adam187]

As much as I love the Biyombo and Kemba draft, if we followed that up with a Davis and Beal draft, I dont think my heart could stand it. I dont even think I could dare to daydream something like that for the Bobcats. Could you just see a starting 5 of Kemba, Beal, Henderson, Davis and Biyombo? Young, talented and athletic as all heck. That would be a team anyone would love to watch. Would be a dream.

don't put these thoughts in my head. wow. that would be an awesome team. literally everything would have to go right, but, geez. that would be great.

[Chef]

As much as I love the Biyombo and Kemba draft, if we followed that up with a Davis and Beal draft, I dont think my heart could stand it. I dont even think I could dare to daydream something like that for the Bobcats. Could you just see a starting 5 of Kemba, Beal, Henderson, Davis and Biyombo? Young, talented and athletic as all heck. That would be a team anyone would love to watch. Would be a dream.

hendo can't play the sf. i would trade hendo to the wolves, 76ers, celtics or any other team willing to give a mid to late first.

[polarcat]

Honestly, I'd rather keep Henderson as our SG and just grab a SF instead of Beal or Lamb. Henderson is a solid young piece and will only get better once he has some more weapons around him. Give him a scorer like Quincy Miller, an athletic big like Davis and another season or two of Kemba Walker adjusting to the NBA game, and I think Henderson will be an All-Star dropping 18/7 a game.

[Chef]

I think Henderson will be an All-Star dropping 18/7 a game.

oh lord. not this debate again.

[polarcat]

Haha....not a debate homie. Just don't want to trade Henderson, that's all. ;)

[Felton for Prez]

Wasn't sure where to put this but I had to put it somewhere...since Kaman is on the block, this seemed like a good spot. If someone already posted, please remove.

I guess this means Kaman doesn't want to end up here at the deadline.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/extramustard/hotclicks/03/13/alyssa-miller-chris-kaman-tweets-dead-bobcat-photo/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_bf1_a3

[Chef]

Haha....not a debate homie. Just don't want to trade Henderson, that's all. ;)

i was partially kidding. just trying to stop it before it started. i can def see not trading him, i was just saying what the min i would move him for would be. i think he is a good player when healthy but i just don't see him penned in as a future player here.

[spectre]

http://www.iamagm.com/news/2012/03/11/hornets.willing.trade.first.round.pick.order.get.r id.emeka.okafor

Hornets willing to trade a first-round pick in order to get rid of Emeka Okafor (http://www.iamagm.com/news/2012/03/11/hornets.willing.trade.first.round.pick.order.get.r id.emeka.okafor)

Also in the comments by Sam Amico:


Cavs also linked to Bobcats, but all 30 teams will be turning trade discussions up a notch. At least, once they fill out NCAA brackets

What could we be discussing with the Cavs?

(http://www.iamagm.com/news/2012/03/11/hornets.willing.trade.first.round.pick.order.get.r id.emeka.okafor)

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

I just read that the Houston pick is lottery protected for the next 2 years and then turns to a 2nd rounder? If that's true then I rescind my previous statement. Almost 8 million is too high for a pick not guaranteed to be in the 1st round.
I'm pretty sure they won't be in the lottery this year, well atleast I hope so, Portland are all over the place, Minnesota lost Rubio and Utah has no backcourt depth.

[ohara831]

I'm pretty sure they won't be in the lottery this year, well atleast I hope so, Portland are all over the place, Minnesota lost Rubio and Utah has no backcourt depth.


Spectre corrected that later. Lottery protection is thru 2016, and would become a 2nd in 2017. The pick would be as first, almost certainly.

[Chef]

http://www.iamagm.com/news/2012/03/11/hornets.willing.trade.first.round.pick.order.get.r id.emeka.okafor

Hornets willing to trade a first-round pick in order to get rid of Emeka Okafor (http://www.iamagm.com/news/2012/03/11/hornets.willing.trade.first.round.pick.order.get.r id.emeka.okafor)

Also in the comments by Sam Amico:



What could we be discussing with the Cavs?

(http://www.iamagm.com/news/2012/03/11/hornets.willing.trade.first.round.pick.order.get.r id.emeka.okafor)

mags for mek straight up works. not sure what mags value would be next year as a 10mil expiring, but also a playoff contributor. essentially it would be 17 million dollars over two years (2.5 mil next year, 14.5 mil the year after). if i am jordan, that would be worth NO's pick not Minn's pick.

remember, the year after next is the year that all the luxury tax gets doubled. expirings are going to be very very valuable to a lot of owners next year. if we are in a position to trade our expirings AND take back some salaries for the next season, it could be worth plenty of draft picks.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

mags for mek straight up works. not sure what mags value would be next year as a 10mil expiring, but also a playoff contributor. essentially it would be 17 million dollars over two years (2.5 mil next year, 14.5 mil the year after). if i am jordan, that would be worth NO's pick not Minn's pick.

remember, the year after next is the year that all the luxury tax gets doubled. expirings are going to be very very valuable to a lot of owners next year. if we are in a position to trade our expirings AND take back some salaries for the next season, it could be worth plenty of draft picks.
who exactly is in the luxary tax threshold atm, I know LA are as about everyone else does, the knicks might be i'm not sure, Chicago is aswell I think, Spurs I really have no idea about, Atlanta's close but is their anyone else there?

[Twan's Kin]

Also in the comments by Sam Amico:



What could we be discussing with the Cavs?

(http://www.iamagm.com/news/2012/03/11/hornets.willing.trade.first.round.pick.order.get.r id.emeka.okafor)

probably in talks with Cavs about Sessions, Jamison, and picks.

[spectre]

probably in talks with Cavs about Sessions, Jamison, and picks.

Dag I knew that. Senior moment I guess. Funny, that used to only happen after 3-4 hour binges.

[Dcarnys]

Monta to the Bucks for Bogut and Jack. http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/17775708/report-warriors-bucks-close-to-monta-ellis-for-andrew-bogut-trade

*EDIT* Didn't see the other thread. My bad.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

Monta to the Bucks for Bogut and Jack. http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/17775708/report-warriors-bucks-close-to-monta-ellis-for-andrew-bogut-trade

*EDIT* Didn't see the other thread. My bad.
atleast theres some movement and some teams that aren't waiting for Dwight to move

[The Prodigy]

The Blazers, Wolves and Lakers are discussing a trade that would send Jamal Crawford to Minnesota and Michael Beasley to the Lakers, according to Adrian Wojnarowski, who adds that talks are "gaining momentum."
Wonder what the Blazers would get out of it

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

Wonder what the Blazers would get out of it
crap contracts and draft picks oh and maybe a trade exception from the lakers or derick williams from the T-Wolves, thats all I think they have to offer.

[ammofan]

crap contracts and draft picks oh and maybe a trade exception from the lakers or derick williams from the T-Wolves, thats all I think they have to offer.

Hell no about Williams....he isn't going anywhere.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

Hell no about Williams....he isn't going anywhere.
I'm not really high on D-Will but i've got no reason to doubt your point about Minnesotta not trading him, I'm really starting to wonder what Portlands gonna get out of this trade.

[ammofan]

I'm not really high on D-Will but i've got no reason to doubt your point about Minnesotta not trading him, I'm really starting to wonder what Portlands gonna get out of this trade.

They'll probably get Steve Blake....or that's what I've heard. Crawford to MIN and Beas to LA

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

They'll probably get Steve Blake....or that's what I've heard. Crawford to MIN and Beas to LA
if i'm them i'd rather keep Crawford than take Blake he's got a team option so they can let his contract run out

[spectre]

Chris Mannix: Nothing happening between the Nets and Jazz regarding CJ Miles, (http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html) source with direct knowledge tells http://SI.com (http://si.com/) Twitter (http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html)and a bunch of Magic players said Howard didn't mention next season in their meeting.

also:


Chris Mannix: Magic continuing to explore Dwight Howard deals, league sources tell SI. (http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html) No indication anything DH has said today changing that. Twitter (http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html)

Cho's bargaining power is looking good!

Assuming Mannix knows what the hell he's talking about.

[dnbman]

I'm not saying this what you mean, but I have to wonder if trading for Howard would be a TERRIBLE outcome for us. We'd be good enough to seriously reduce our lottery chance, give up assets, and he'd likely leave us at the end of the season. Just sayin' for those wishing for Howard.

[spectre]

You mean US trading for Howard? I can't think of any sane reason why we would ever contemplate that one.

We don't want him opting in tho if we want that proposed Nets' trade. We want them desperately coveting cap space.

If Cho pulls Morrow/Farmar/Houston 1st I think everyone should wear my avatar for a month in tribute.

[dnbman]

You mean US trading for Howard? I can't think of any sane reason why we would ever contemplate that one.

We don't want him opting in tho if we want that proposed Nets' trade. We want them desperately coveting cap space.

If Cho pulls Morrow/Farmar/Houston 1st I think everyone should wear my avatar for a month in tribute.

On the same page. Avatar ready to be added.

[spectre]

Dwight Howard won't concede option (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7688201/sources-dwight-howard-not-give-option-season-end)

:biggrin:

[dnbman]

Dwight Howard won't concede option (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7688201/sources-dwight-howard-not-give-option-season-end)

:biggrin:

From sheer logistics, I'm a little worried. Is the entire NBA on conference call for Orlando's decision? They could wait until 2:59 to make their trade and we not get anything done.

I'm sure things will fall into place better than that, but there were a couple of trades last year that didn't make it because of time.

[murphman]

1st two trades of the day



Ronald Tillery: Griz trade Sam Young to Sixers for rights to 2005 2nd rounder Ricky Sanchez, (http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html) who is playing in Argentina. CA story coming.. Twitter (http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html)




David Aldridge: Source confirms @Marc J. Spears report that Pacers will acquire Leandro Barbosa from Toronto. (http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html) Source says Raptors will get a second-rounder. Twitter (http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html)

[polarcat]

I know this is kinda off topic for us since we aren't linked to him, but I would really like to see us acquire Beasley from Minny. Don't know what we would have to give up, but I'd like to kick the tires on a young scoring SF like Beasley. Is he a head case? Sure, but Jack worked out well here and I don't think the asking price would be too high.

[adam187]

someone should start a rumor (just say done deal at the end of it and link to your twitter) and get this site flooded with traffic.