Nets possibly interested in Diaw?

[JohnnyTimmons]

Hoopshype.com reported today in rumors section that the nets would be interested in Diaw's expiring contract for their first round pick from Houston, if Charlotte was willing to take on contracts extending past this year. Farmar and petro possibly. Interested?

[dav7z]

I WOULD SAY DONE . Farmer has the makings of a nice back up behind Kemba with just one more year left on his contract. Petro has just one year left all so . Hes a young 7 ft center with one year left all so . But hasn't showed nothing .
We talking around a no#15 pick hear , With players like P Jones , T Jones , mabe a Henson, Zellers , Marshell , all around that area .
Bottem line is that pick worth 8 mil FOR 1 MORE YEAR .

I say go for it Farmer as KEMBAS back up puts this over the top for me . Augustine could still be moved for say a LA first .

[superb1]

I believed that this deal should be already done, we probably looking for the right deal to move DJA. I don't see why they won't pull the trigger on this move.

[WAM9]

Even though it makes sense, it sounds too good to be true.

Acquiring Farmar would make dealing Augustine more likely.

My only question is how it would effect this season's cap space and if that makes a difference.

If the cap space isn't a deal breaker, then I would do it in a heartbeat.

[Mustachio]

Even though it makes sense, it sounds too good to be true.

Acquiring Farmar would make dealing Augustine more likely.

My only question is how it would effect this season's cap space and if that makes a difference.

If the cap space isn't a deal breaker, then I would do it in a heartbeat.


Seeing as how both incoming players are only on the books for one more year after this, and their salaries equal that of Diaw... I would say its effect on us is pretty much nil.

This trade effectively
-gives the Bobcats a draft pick
-gives the Bobcats 2 players that will be arguably more valuable than Diaw
-gives the Nets immediate cap relief for signing any free agents this season (Howard maybe)

Really no downside when you consider that bringing in Farmar and Petro is akin to extending Diaw for one more year. Given that the Bobcats aren't exactly even in the major free agent market this year or maybe even next. I don't see it as a problem

It does sound too good to be true though.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

Morrow and Petro would just make that deal awesome plus the pick

[bbh2020]

Per Tony Parker, it sounds like Spurs and Knicks want Diaw too.

I would guess that they would wait for buy out though. I don't see them having anything to give up.

[dav7z]

Per Tony Parker, it sounds like Spurs and Knicks want Diaw too.

I would guess that they would wait for buy out though. I don't see them having anything to give up.

Not really if we take back any contract beyond this year it allows them to save 9 milion after this year . But we have to be very careful hear and not get stuck with contracts from hell . Imthinking contracts with no more than 1 year left .
Other assets that might come in handy right now is our 3.5 tpe execption whitch i hope we use to our advantage some way.
DJ is another asset with nice filler contracts like White , Mullens , Williams., Brown
We should be able to make a couple good moves .
I really dont think Cho LETS US GET SCREWED

Mathews , Felton, Crawford , Portland out
Diaw , DJ , 3.5 tpe Charlotte out .
We taking on Mathews contract hear whitch i think is a deal breaker , All so a possable one year. 5 mil Crawford contract . Felts is a expiring .
Portland does this for cap purposes whitch management wants bad

Questin is . Is Mathews worth a TT type contract.

[murphman]

Per Wojo, Howard is gone to NJ either Thursday or July 1 and this Diaw trade is an important part of NJ's plan to make room for him & Deron's & Lopez's extensions.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AvcROfSM2TFUTiYPxUzpN5m8vLYF?slug=aw-wojnarowski_dwight_howard_magic_nets_trade_031312

Getting that pick from Houston is huge and worth bringing back salary for one more year. Getting Dwight out of our division is the icing on the cake & I would love for the Bobcats to facilitate that with this trade.

[Proudiddy]

Let's do it.

[Chevalier au Lion]

Let's do it.

Agree.

Petro and Farmar´s contract aren´t too high, and Farmar could be a great back up PG...

In this case, in the summer of 2013, Diop, Carroll, Reggie, Petro and Farmar end their contract... 20 millions leave us.

[JohnnyTimmons]

Realistically petro and farmar are the only players i see them moving in the price range we r discussing. I could see them wanting to get rid of outlaw but other than him.... i cant see them wanting to unload morrow or lopez or humphries.

[JohnnyTimmons]

Saw another trade scenario on bleacherreport with us sending hendo and boris to twolves, them sending us beasley ellington and maybe ridnour? Cant remember seemed more of someone spitballing than the nets scenario.

[Proudiddy]

I really hope we get Morrow and then I could tolerate either Farmar or Petro, but I prefer not to take on both.

Either way, they're better options than most of the trash we have collecting salaries on the bench.

But, getting the 1st round pick? We have to do it. And anything we take back in salary isn't too large of a commitment so it won't hurt us long-term.

[rsxnova]

Boris Diaw is going to net the bobcats something? Is this real life?

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

this is probably the best offer we have forBoris we have to do it...get kemba a backup....probably move DJ....Petro has size and gives us more depth....and they both expire next year....we're gettina FIRST ROUND PICK FOR BORIS....we have to do it...its lottery protected but it looks like houston will make the playoffs so a 15-20 pick in this draft is GOOD

[dav7z]

Would you guys do Morrow , Petro, Farmer,1st for Borris and the TPE

Little more news
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/219682/Nets_Plan_To_Re_Sign_Lopez_On_$10M_Annual_Deal
All so the Houston is just top 5 protected

[BETCATS]

To be honest, I'd rather they just buy Boris out and use all the money on a young player we can use for our core this offseason. Getting two bench players and a end of the lotto/mid 1st round pick (Houston is 8th in the West) won't do anything long term besides add to the clutter. Bench players are expendable and replaceable. We need a core before we start worrying about who we fit in around it.

[ohara831]

To be honest, I'd rather they just buy Boris out and use all the money on a young player we can use for our core this offseason. Getting two bench players and a end of the lotto/mid 1st round pick (Houston is 8th in the West) won't do anything long term besides add to the clutter. Bench players are expendable and replaceable. We need a core before we start worrying about who we fit in around it.

Understand your point, but have to disagree. Farmar is a great backup for Kemba, and allows us to then trade DJA for another likely 1st rounder. And a pick around #16-#18 in this Draft will yield someone who can be of great help to this team. Not to mention that if we do trade DJ for another 1st in the 20's, then combining that pick and the Nets pick via Houston would allow us to move up to somewhere in the late Lottery and get us a much better prize. Best case for Charlotte is to get 2 more quality players to add to what we did last season. Would be huge for this franchise. Take Kemba, Hendo and Biyombo and add 2 quality players who can step right in for us, and this team becomes young and exciting.

[BETCATS]

Understand your point, but have to disagree. Farmar is a great backup for Kemba, and allows us to then trade DJA for another likely 1st rounder. And a pick around #16-#18 in this Draft will yield someone who can be of great help to this team. Not to mention that if we do trade DJ for another 1st in the 20's, then combining that pick and the Nets pick via Houston would allow us to move up to somewhere in the late Lottery and get us a much better prize. Best case for Charlotte is to get 2 more quality players to add to what we did last season. Would be huge for this franchise. Take Kemba, Hendo and Biyombo and add 2 quality players who can step right in for us, and this team becomes young and exciting.
That is very wishful thinking we could pull that off, although it does sound like a classic Cho move.

I just see this list: http://www.hoopsworld.com/2012-nba-free-agents and all the possibilities it could hold with that open roster spot from losing Diaw plus his salary. Reserves are reserves and they are a dime a dozen. I can think of a lot of shooters on par with Morrow/reserve pgs on par with Farmar/we already have Mullens who is better than Petro. We still probably won't be winning next year so we might as well use someone on a 1 year minimum for Kemba's back up.

[JohnnyTimmons]

Anyone know how strong draft after next is? More like this coming year or last, stronger? Too early to tell?

[SWedd523]

Anyone know how strong draft after next is? More like this coming year or last, stronger? Too early to tell?

This year's HSSr class is big man heavy, but overall pretty deep. Nerlens Noel plays a lot like Anthony Davis but is much more limited offensively. Shabazz Muhammed will be the prize of that draft though because he's the first "superstar" in a few years.

[JR4P]

Shabazz Muhammad best case is Kobe 2.0 and worst case James Harden 2.0..according to nbadraft.net. Do want.

[Ghost Kat]

I read the first sentence and now i need to change my underwear....if there more's sorry, I'm a preemie

[dnbman]

That is very wishful thinking we could pull that off, although it does sound like a classic Cho move.

I just see this list: http://www.hoopsworld.com/2012-nba-free-agents and all the possibilities it could hold with that open roster spot from losing Diaw plus his salary. Reserves are reserves and they are a dime a dozen. I can think of a lot of shooters on par with Morrow/reserve pgs on par with Farmar/we already have Mullens who is better than Petro. We still probably won't be winning next year so we might as well use someone on a 1 year minimum for Kemba's back up.

You're not going to save that much money on guys that can contribute. Kemba's backup, if we're ready for him take over, is still going to be serious minutes. Paying Farmar $4M for one more year is incredibly reasonable. Petro is only 3.5 for next year. You're going to likely spend $2M on a useful veteran at each position. So, we're basically paying an extra $4-5M next year for a first round pick and guys who can help us.

No problems with that.

[BETCATS]

You're not going to save that much money on guys that can contribute. Kemba's backup, if we're ready for him take over, is still going to be serious minutes. Paying Farmar $4M for one more year is incredibly reasonable. Petro is only 3.5 for next year. You're going to likely spend $2M on a useful veteran at each position. So, we're basically paying an extra $4-5M next year for a first round pick and guys who can help us.

No problems with that.

I wouldnt be 'mad' if this happened. All I'm saying is that extra $4-5 million could be an extra $8-10 million spent on one guy who could help us for the long term so I'd prefer it.

[ND22]

I'm assuming this happens if Augustin is traded. I like it though.

[dav7z]

I wouldnt be 'mad' if this happened. All I'm saying is that extra $4-5 million could be an extra $8-10 million spent on one guy who could help us for the long term so I'd prefer it.

And out of that group who is going to be your 1o to 12 milion dollar man ?
Howard , Lopez, Williams . Gone for sure Nash wont come hear. Batum might Wallace is to old for this core . I just don't seee any real wins in free agency. I would much rather wait til most other teams cap is used up .

[Zoolander]

any updates?

[BETCATS]

And out of that group who is going to be your 1o to 12 milion dollar man ?
Howard , Lopez, Williams . Gone for sure Nash wont come hear. Batum might Wallace is to old for this core . I just don't seee any real wins in free agency. I would much rather wait til most other teams cap is used up .
Seeing that we suck at small forward Batum is actually on my short list. Nick Young, Jeff Greene (if his health is proven to be better), Eric Gordon, OJ Mayo, Wilson Chandler, Yi, Brandon Bass, or Louis Williams are all guys I'd give at least a sizeable chunk (or more, depending on who) of what we spent on Boris.

And I'd rather have Jared Bayless, Randy Foye, Johnny Flynn, Ramon Sessions, George Hill, or maybe even Jameer Nelson/the return of Usher Raymond (Felton) as a point guard than Jordan Farmar (with Nelson/Felton being part of our longer term solution).

[GoBobs]

that pick is lotto protected for 2 years and then turns into a 2nd rounder. I would just take the cap space honestly. There is no assurance that pick will get you an NBA player, and it might just be another guy you have to pay. If we could use it to trade up maybe, but if we really want an extra later first round pick why don't we just do what the knicks do and buy one for 3 mil. That is cheaper then paying Farmar and Petro, who are two scrubs I have no desire to see in a Bobcats uniform.

[ohara831]

that pick is lotto protected for 2 years and then turns into a 2nd rounder. I would just take the cap space honestly. There is no assurance that pick will get you an NBA player, and it might just be another guy you have to pay. If we could use it to trade up maybe, but if we really want an extra later first round pick why don't we just do what the knicks do and buy one for 3 mil. That is cheaper then paying Farmar and Petro, who are two scrubs I have no desire to see in a Bobcats uniform.

If you are referring to the Nets 1st from the Rockets, it is Lottery protected thru 2016. Becomes a 2nd in 2017. So no real worry that it reaches 2017 without being used by us first.

[Mustachio]

Ummm.

http://store.nba.com/product/index.jsp?productId=12458953

I guess that bodes well for the trade. They are gonna need some cap room to take on Howards new contract.

[dnbman]

that pick is lotto protected for 2 years and then turns into a 2nd rounder.

I'm seeing protection through '16. If nothing else, we could flip for another pick before it turns into a second rounder in '17.

[BETCATS]

I didnt realize the pick was protected. Mid first round pick in all likeliness = bench player. 3 bench players or cap space? I will take cap space. (sorry for sounding like such a broken record)

[Boomer]

I will drive Diaw to NJ myself.

[Proudiddy]

Ummm.

http://store.nba.com/product/index.jsp?productId=12458953

I guess that bodes well for the trade. They are gonna need some cap room to take on Howards new contract.


What was it? I'm guessing a Howard Nets' jersey?

[SWedd523]

I didnt realize the pick was protected. Mid first round pick in all likeliness = bench player. 3 bench players or cap space? I will take cap space. (sorry for sounding like such a broken record)

We got Biyombo with the #19 pick. Wouldn't call him a bench player ;)

[JR4P]

What was it? I'm guessing a Howard Nets' jersey?

It was a Howard T-shirt jersey..of the NETS.

[JR4P]

We got Biyombo with the #19 pick. Wouldn't call him a bench player ;)

I thought he was drafted 7th by Sacramento then traded here?

[Bobcat4Ever]

We got Biyombo with the #19 pick. Wouldn't call him a bench player ;)

Since when was the #7 pick the #19 pick?

[SWedd523]

Since when was the #7 pick the #19 pick?

June 23, 2011: In a 3-team trade, the Charlotte Bobcats traded Tobias Harris (#19), Stephen Jackson and Shaun Livingston to the Milwaukee Bucks; the Milwaukee Bucks traded Corey Maggette to the Charlotte Bobcats; the Milwaukee Bucks traded Jimmer Fredette and John Salmons to the Sacramento Kings; the Sacramento Kings traded Bismack Biyombo (#7) to the Charlotte Bobcats; and the Sacramento Kings traded Beno Udrih to the Milwaukee Bucks.


Does that trade happen without the #19 pick? No.

Mid round picks can be very valuable if you use them correctly.

[adam187]

exactly.

the first of what i hope are a bunch of excellent cho moves.

[QC Thundercats]

We are in asset acquiring mode. The best assets a team can have are 1st round draft picks. If you can save the pieces you want to keep and get rid of undesirables for 1st round assets, you take it, no matter what peripheral players you get back - as long as there are no long term contracts. As mentioned above, even if its a mid or late 1st round pick, these can be packaged with other picks or young players to get a potential lottery pick.

Cho's background is with the Blazers and Thunder, and they acquired these kinds of assets to fill out their team. Now the Thunder got lucky with Durant, and the Blazers are cursed for some reason, but they were able to fill out a solid roster with depth using these assets.

For Diaw to fetch a 1st was completely unfathomable to me, as we were thinking about just buying him out instead. Personally, I would have traded him for a couple Cajun filet biscuits from Bojangles (no such thing in the midwest :-( But to get any pick above 60 for this segway conductor, thats icing on the beignet.

So if we get a mid round 1st for Diaw, and can trade Augustin for another 1st somewhere, now we have assets to jump into the lottery. Say we get lucky to win the lottery, we get the Unibrow, then trade two 1st rounders and maybe Mullens to jump up and grab Barnes for some much needed perimeter scoring - now we're starting to fill out the roster.

Kemba
Hendo
Black Falcon
Unibrow
Smackdaddy

Tell me you can't get behind that lineup! Long, young athletic players, with the potential to absolutely shut teams down. Potential clutch scorers in Kemba and Barnes, maybe even Davis, since nobody knows everything he can do yet. This is in fact attainable with us continuing to collect assets, and of course getting lucky as well.

[superb1]

Thank you for explaining that here because some people can't wrap their minds around what we are doing. These assets you don't love nor hate them, they are just pawns.

[ohara831]

As much as most here miss Crash, that Portland deal seems to have worked out well for us. And for all the love Portland fans gave to Crash, looks like Portland is trying hard to trade him before Thursday. They dont want his contract for next season, and they prefer Batum.

[Chef]

We are in asset acquiring mode. The best assets a team can have are 1st round draft picks. If you can save the pieces you want to keep and get rid of undesirables for 1st round assets, you take it, no matter what peripheral players you get back - as long as there are no long term contracts. As mentioned above, even if its a mid or late 1st round pick, these can be packaged with other picks or young players to get a potential lottery pick.

Cho's background is with the Blazers and Thunder, and they acquired these kinds of assets to fill out their team. Now the Thunder got lucky with Durant, and the Blazers are cursed for some reason, but they were able to fill out a solid roster with depth using these assets.

For Diaw to fetch a 1st was completely unfathomable to me, as we were thinking about just buying him out instead. Personally, I would have traded him for a couple Cajun filet biscuits from Bojangles (no such thing in the midwest :-( But to get any pick above 60 for this segway conductor, thats icing on the beignet.

So if we get a mid round 1st for Diaw, and can trade Augustin for another 1st somewhere, now we have assets to jump into the lottery. Say we get lucky to win the lottery, we get the Unibrow, then trade two 1st rounders and maybe Mullens to jump up and grab Barnes for some much needed perimeter scoring - now we're starting to fill out the roster.

Kemba
Hendo
Black Falcon
Unibrow
Smackdaddy

Tell me you can't get behind that lineup! Long, young athletic players, with the potential to absolutely shut teams down. Potential clutch scorers in Kemba and Barnes, maybe even Davis, since nobody knows everything he can do yet. This is in fact attainable with us continuing to collect assets, and of course getting lucky as well.

looking longer term, the best move we can do is to preserve as much cap space for going into the 2013-2014 season. that is the year the luxury tax really goes up and an effectual hard cap is fully in place. for every dollar a team spends over the luxury tax limit it counts as $2+. if we are in a position to take on short term money and not exceed the cap, we could get a bunch of draft picks. given that by then tyrus is our only big money, we should prepare now to put ourselves in that situation.

[murphman]

Ugh, according to NY Post Fred Kerber, the Bobcats wanted Farmar and Morrow instead of Farmar & Petro and the Nets refused. Now Utah is talking with the Nets for a CJ Miles/Morrow trade that may include that Houston pick. I hope we don't blow this.

[JR4P]

I hope the Magic panic and ship dwight to get something in return..forcing the nets to panic and take Diaw's contract for cap relief giving us what we want in Morrow/Farmar w/pick.

[Chef]

I hope the Magic panic and ship dwight to get something in return..forcing the nets to panic and take Diaw's contract for cap relief giving us what we want in Morrow/Farmar w/pick.

we are losing site of the big picture. fact 1: diaw is no way worth a first round pick fact 2: we can get a first for him without taking on much salary fact 3: morrow is no way a make or break player

make the freaking deal now!

[JR4P]

we are losing site of the big picture. fact 1: diaw is no way worth a first round pick fact 2: we can get a first for him without taking on much salary fact 3: morrow is no way a make or break player

make the freaking deal now!

I concur...

[ohara831]

Unless there is something of which we are unaware, not making this deal is not very bright in my opinion.

[ohara831]

Why would NJ consider the Utah deal over the Charlotte deal? CJ Miles is only an expiring of $3.7 mil and Diaw is expiring at $9 mil. And they would not throw in Morrow in our deal, but would in the Utah one? Does not make any sense. Dont think the Houston 1st is a part of the Utah offer, but still. If they need cap space, the Utah deal stinks compared to the Bobcats deal.

[JohnnyTimmons]

Everything you are seeing here, that doesn't seem to make sense (besides Diaw being worth anything at all), is misdirection and business.

We ask for Morrow because though I don't think we care if we get him, if we could that is a plus, and shows we are not over-eager. Playing hardball etc.

Nets news about talking to the Jazz is the same shit, why take 3.5 and give up morrow instead of taking on 9 expiring and not giving him up? Just, again, showing they have options too, to make us back off and take Farmar or whomever.

I'm happy if we eschew Diaw's salary, or if we make the trade. My gut says Diaw is gone and we get a modest pick. And I think if we get back Farmar or any PG for that matter, DJ is packaged for either a logjammed young player, or another pick, possibly from next year's draft.

Also this:

Tony Parker, via Radio Monte Carlo said that he would love to have Boris Diaw in San Antonio. Diaw is on his way to leave Charlotte Bobcats and New York is interested in him as well. (http://www.sportando.net/eng/usa/nba/36454/tony-parker-spurs-are-very-interested-in-tony-parker.html) 'He is in great shape. I am the first to make fun of him when he gains weight, but this is not the case. We are very interested in him, but New York is interested as well' said Parker. Sportando (http://www.sportando.net/eng/usa/nba/36454/tony-parker-spurs-are-very-interested-in-tony-parker.html)

[Scottley Crue]

The Nets deal (Diaw for Farmar, Petro, Houston's pick) makes a tremendous amount of sense for both sides. The Nets get to remove more salary to not only sign Dwight Howard, but put more pieces around him and Deron Williams next season. For us, it gives us an extra pick in a deep draft (presuming the Rockets make the playoffs, and they are certainly capable of that), a very nice backup PG in Farmar, the ability to shop Augustin for more assets and it gives us more expiring deals so we can have this kind of fun again one year from now. Unless the Nets go nuts and try to trade for Howard (which they clearly don't have to), I can see this deal going down later tomorrow.

I do applaud Cho for tyring to include Morrow, which I would prefer. But the "original" deal is good for both sides and there is adequate motivation for both sides to pull it off. Hopefully, nothing goes sideways to derail it.

[spectre]

I love Cho! This is exactly what he should be doing. He probably won't get Morrow but I applaud the hell out of him trying.

If it kills the deal then so be it...there'll be others.

[ND22]

I want this to happen. I want Doris gone.

[ohara831]

Morrow is NOT included in the Nets talks with Utah.

[dav7z]

Beasley gone to LA, Crawford to Minny in a three team deal . Don't know if that affects any DJ moves or even NJ move . THOUGHTS
Does Cho have a ace in his back pocket . Even though no move might be our best move ?

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

'He is in great shape. I am the first to make fun of him when he gains weight, but this is not the case. We are very interested in him, but New York is interested as well' said Parker. Sportando (http://www.sportando.net/eng/usa/nba/36454/tony-parker-spurs-are-very-interested-in-tony-parker.html)

Is Parker out of his mind has he seen Diaw recently although they could use his fat ass to clog the paint and "help" Tim Duncan down there.

[Mustachio]

Is Parker out of his mind has he seen Diaw recently although they could use his fat ass to clog the paint and "help" Tim Duncan down there.


I've never understood the whole Boris is fat thing. I've never thought he looked particularly in shape or out of shape really. Just Diaw shape. I've got no problem with Boris's body, just his head.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

I've never understood the whole Boris is fat thing. I've never thought he looked particularly in shape or out of shape really. Just Diaw shape. I've got no problem with Boris's body, just his head.
Every time I think he's not fat I just look at his arms and it makes me think he's hiding a beer belly under his shirt and he does have the wrong attitude but I suppose playing next to his best french friend may make him decide to knuckle down.

[Jennings]

Man i wish something would happen! At least we have the game tonight.

[dav7z]

Looks like lots of options . Got to love Cho
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/219737/Trade_Talk_Opens_Up_Following_News_Of_Howards_Deci sion

[Boomer]

yep, glad we have options on Diaw. I'll be tickled if we get a 1st round pick out of his fat ass.

[Toocool]

Watch Cho milk some sexy ass trade out of his ass.
I'm seriously interested into what Cho will pull out of his hat this time.

[Scottley Crue]

Watch Cho milk some sexy ass trade out of his ass.
I'm seriously interested into what Cho will pull out of his hat this time.

He just might. He's dealing from a position of strength...he doesn't HAVE to make a move. At the end of the day, he knows he can walk away with a little more than $12 million in expiring contracts and a high lottery pick in a deep draft. Nothing wrong with that.