The Official Thomas Robinson Thread (height chart post #43)

[SWedd523]

This is the place to discuss Thomas Robinson. Post up your Youtube videos, news articles, and fantasies!

[SWedd523]

Thomas Robinson is a 6'9" Junior PF from Kansas University

http://youthrowlikeagirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/JamieSquireGettyImagesKU.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXDYkWPHvcg

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Standing next to 7'0" Jeff Withey after the NC State game, Robinson looked 4"-5" shorter, in my humble opinion. He looked only a few inches taller than 6'4" Craig Sager. Not a good sign....

Love his build and incredible rebounding numbers though. Looking forward to the official measurements.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

Athletic Freak.....he relies on his athleticism alot to score....reminds me of a more athletic jj hickson

[SWedd523]

I think Robinson has the most to lose during the combine measurements. If he measures out in the 6'6"-6'7" barefoot range, it'll be more difficult to justify him going #2

[Chef]

don't want with a top 5 pick.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

what range does Thomas Robinson have on his jumper and
Kevin Love (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kevin-Love-1062/) measured out reasonably well—6-9 ½ in shoes (6-7 ¾ without), with a 6-11 ¼ wingspan and an 8-10 standing reach. His body fat is still very high at 12.9%, but in the combine he jumped 35 inches, lifted the 185 bar 18 times, and ran very well (11.17, 3.22)

If he turns out to be Kevin Love size or just below with longer wingspan i'd be happy he'd be a great tweener forward and he could learn from Jamison if it's true that he's coming here in the off season.

[Plowright]

I had a dream that we drafted Robinson last night with the 3rd pick. If this happens in June someone remind me of this post!

[Veteran_Picksetter]

what range does Thomas Robinson have on his jumper and
Kevin Love (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kevin-Love-1062/) measured out reasonably well—6-9 ½ in shoes (6-7 ¾ without), with a 6-11 ¼ wingspan and an 8-10 standing reach. His body fat is still very high at 12.9%, but in the combine he jumped 35 inches, lifted the 185 bar 18 times, and ran very well (11.17, 3.22)

If he turns out to be Kevin Love size or just below with longer wingspan i'd be happy he'd be a great tweener forward and he could learn from Jamison if it's true that he's coming here in the off season.



Looking at the stats, he almost never takes or makes a 3 pointer. Love was comfortably nailing 3's right out of high school. Kevin is extremely rare in his total comfort and ease executing a long perimeter face up game despite being a physically strong 4.

Robinson should be a solid rebounder at the least. I'd be a little more tempted if he measured with a 9 foot reach and 7'1 wingspan. I think we want a wider skill set in the top 4 picks though.......

[adam187]

in one of the tournament games i watched him swish a top of the key 3 like it was nothing, but that same game i watched him airball a baseline jumper from about 15.

i like his hustle and hard work, i think he'll find his place in the league, but he seems like he's more of a complimentary piece than a building block.

[Plowright]

I know what you mean, I feel we should get something more than just a energy guy for a top 4 pick. But saying that i have only seen him play once so I can't really judge too much

[Veteran_Picksetter]

If you go to the 1:29 to 1:30 mark of this video, Robinson is running right next to #10 from Missouri. #10 appears taller with higher shoulders. #10 is listed at 6'8". Not promising.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXDYkWPHvcg

ESPN has Robinson listed at 6'10" 237. If he were really 6'10", he'd be more like 250 with THAT build, in my humble opinion.

On the bright side, I went back and checked his 3 point shooting. At least he shot 50% on 14 attempts all year.

Rebounding energy 'tweener who can knock down a shot or two?

[BETCATS]

I like his build more than I like Davis's. But his height will work against him. Unless we turn him into a small forward I think it would be unwise to draft him. A Bismark/Thomas front court would be really small.

[SWedd523]

I like his build more than I like Davis's. But his height will work against him. Unless we turn him into a small forward I think it would be unwise to draft him. A Bismark/Thomas front court would be really small.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Bundesarchiv_Bild_193-04-1-26%2C_Schlachtschiff_Bismarck.jpg/300px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_193-04-1-26%2C_Schlachtschiff_Bismarck.jpg

[Veteran_Picksetter]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Bundesarchiv_Bild_193-04-1-26%2C_Schlachtschiff_Bismarck.jpg/300px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_193-04-1-26%2C_Schlachtschiff_Bismarck.jpg

I'm even slower than normal tonight. I don't follow....

Oh nevermind I got it. A certain spelling......

[BETCATS]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Bundesarchiv_Bild_193-04-1-26%2C_Schlachtschiff_Bismarck.jpg/300px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_193-04-1-26%2C_Schlachtschiff_Bismarck.jpg
Yeah, I guess I did call our center a nazi battleship. Oh well.

[dnbman]

What do you guys think of a Robinson/Biyombo PF/C combo? How would those two fit together, if at all, on both ends of the court?

[ziggy]

What do you guys think of a Robinson/Biyombo PF/C combo? How would those two fit together, if at all, on both ends of the court?

I'd be concerned that we'd lack size against some of the giant Hibbertesque big men in the league. I do like Robinson's motor though.

[Chef]

robinson will be a better version of kenneth faried. he will be solid. but he and biz could not start together for the long term. they are too short. if/when they are on the floor together with mags at sf and kemba and hendo at the guards the line up would be 6'0, 6"5, 6'7", 6'8", 6'9".

[Potato]

I only want Robinson with the fourth pick which if we end up there I'm gonna be so damn pissed. The three best guys are Davis, MKG and Beal. Hell I'd consider a few guys over Robinson at 4. He has an incredibly high motor and is such a hard worker but from every highlight tape I ever saw of him he really can't shoot at all and is undersized.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

I think i might prefer drummond over robinson.....that might sound crazy to some but idk

[ziggy]

I think a Drummond - Biyombo pairing works better than a Robinson - Biyombo pairing.



If Drummond isn't a bust.

[Nata Fresh]

My only concern about Robinson is that it makes the Bobcats EXTREMELY small upfront.....that only works with the right system....

[Potato]

Drummond is either going to flop or be the next Andrew Bynum, all depend on how bad he wants it

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Drummond is either going to flop or be the next Andrew Bynum, all depend on how bad he wants it

With all due respect, if he could be a flop OR the next Bynum, couldn't he also be somewhere in between? Why are the two opposite extremes his only possibilities?

[Veteran_Picksetter]

If Robinson measures longer than expected, demonstates nice ball skills in workouts, and the Bobcats come to see him as an 18 point, 11 rebound, pick-and-roll PF....I don't care who's on our roster and who he fits with. You grab him 2-4.

His low shotblocking numbers would indicate to me that Robinson is not that long, however.....

Love the productive rebounding. Love the upper body strength. Love the 7-14 from 3pt range last year.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Perhaps we shouldn't be locked into the thinking that Biyombo HAS to be a longterm starter. He could also be a great third big to guard both positions at 30 minutes a night.

I'll be the first to admit, though, that I worry about how a newcomer will fit with Bismack. Heck, I've even started threads about it.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

drummond would be a better fit with biz....drummond is a pretty good defender right now and for those people who want biz at the 4 we could move him at the 4 and drummond at the 5 hes got the prototypical nba body, off the charts athleticism....i too think robinson will measure out around 6 foot 7 to 6 foot 8 and a small frontcourt isnt what we need....im willing to gamble on drummond if beal and davis are off the board

[dnbman]

drummond would be a better fit with biz....drummond is a pretty good defender right now and for those people who want biz at the 4 we could move him at the 4 and drummond at the 5 hes got the prototypical nba body, off the charts athleticism....i too think robinson will measure out around 6 foot 7 to 6 foot 8 and a small frontcourt isnt what we need....im willing to gamble on drummond if beal and davis are off the board

That makes sense, but Drummond's mediocre rebounding numbers concern me. In college, even if you're raw, you should be able to get 10 boards per game with his size and athleticism.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

That makes sense, but Drummond's mediocre rebounding numbers concern me. In college, even if you're raw, you should be able to get 10 boards per game with his size and athleticism.
yeah ur right i just really like his potential and all that lol, robinson is a good rebounder and has a high motor but i still wouldnt take him over drummond i may be in the minority of bobcats fans by saying that but i honestly feel that way...especially if we soemhow got SVG plus drummond he could do what he did with howard....

[dnbman]

yeah ur right i just really like his potential and all that lol, robinson is a good rebounder and has a high motor but i still wouldnt take him over drummond i may be in the minority of bobcats fans by saying that but i honestly feel that way...especially if we soemhow got SVG plus drummond he could do what he did with howard....

I'm very interested in Drummond, just concerned. The fact that Robinson has his own questions doesn't help matters.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

im sure drummond will develop an offensive game and right now we can run pick and rolls with him to score until he develops a solid jumper or post game....im scared of his work ethic though....robinson i love his motor but the height is a huge question mark for me...and his offensive game isnt that great either the jumper, post moves etc. from what ive seen...

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

Keneth Faried-Markief Morris combo?

[Plowright]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/robinson-coming-for-the-number-one-spot

I think Robinson can only be successful in the NBA, the only question is how much so. He has grown on me throughout this process, look on the bright side. Out of the 2,3 and 4 picks (MKG,Beal,Robinson,Drummond) I like them all, so I won't be gutted with anyone we draft, I would be worried about Drummond a little but so will anyone who drafts him

[dnbman]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/robinson-coming-for-the-number-one-spot

I think Robinson can only be successful in the NBA, the only question is how much so. He has grown on me throughout this process, look on the bright side. Out of the 2,3 and 4 picks (MKG,Beal,Robinson,Drummond) I like them all, so I won't be gutted with anyone we draft, I would be worried about Drummond a little but so will anyone who drafts him

That's absolutely how I feel. The frustrating part is that they all seem like they can be game changers and you don't want to be the team that drafts Darko.

Drummond just seems like he has so much upside, it's hard to resist. Robinson seems the safer pick though.

[DashGlobal]

seems like it would take Drummond a lengthy time to develop. If he develops at all. Not sure id want to risk / go down that road.

we cant afford to miss on this draft.

[ammofan]

seems like it would take Drummond a lengthy time to develop. If he develops at all. Not sure id want to risk / go down that road.

we cant afford to miss on this draft.

Exactly. Even if Drummond COULD be a star player, we're not in a position to take the risk. I'd rather take someone like TRob, MKG or Beal who is more of a safe choice and sure thing good player....because that's what we need. Good players.

[Mustachio]

Exactly. Even if Drummond COULD be a star player, we're not in a position to take the risk. I'd rather take someone like TRob, MKG or Beal who is more of a safe choice and sure thing good player....because that's what we need. Good players.


I think we are the team in the best position to take that risk. Another bust may hurt, but it would hurt the same if MKG/Beal turn out to be a mediocre players. We got to the very bottom. No matter what we have to reach as high as we can now. If not, we will be right back here next year drafting number 1 again so really its not that risky.

[dnbman]

I think we are the team in the best position to take that risk. Another bust may hurt, but it would hurt the same if MKG/Beal turn out to be a mediocre players. We got to the very bottom. No matter what we have to reach as high as we can now. If not, we will be right back here next year drafting number 1 again so really its not that risky.

Yeah, I don't necessarily want to turn down quality players, but if we get a potential franchise guy in Drummond down the road, I'm more than willing to give him some time to develop.

I'm glad I'm not the one who has to make the actual decision.

[ncstamey]

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2012-05-30/nba-draft-lottery-thomas-robinson-a-franchise-player-too

[Jennings]

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2012-05-30/nba-draft-lottery-thomas-robinson-a-franchise-player-too

Great find! I'm on board. I really like this guy. Of course it is really early.

[SJackson1]

this guy is a beast !

i think he would partner Biyombo well for our second big man, he will also add points in the paint which we need.

[SWedd523]

Many believe that Robinson is the second best player in the draft. Many also believe that the pairing between him and Bismack wouldn't work because they'd be too small. I decided to put that discussion to rest once and for all. The following list is the starting bigs for every team across the league last year. I used bballref for measurements and to guess starters when I wasn't sure who it was. Charlotte has the projected Robinson and Bismack listed.

Atlanta: Horford (6'10) and Pachulia (6'11)
Boston: Bass (6'8.) and Garnett (6'11)
Charlotte: Robinson (6'9) and Bismack (6'9)
Chicago: Boozer (6'9) and Noah (6'11)
Cleveland: Thompson (6'8.) and Vaarejao (6'10)
Dallas: Dirk (7'0) and Haywood (7'0)
Denver: Faried (6'8.) and McGee (7'0)
Detroit: Maxiell (6'7) and Monroe (6'11)
Golden State: Lee (6'9) and Biedrins (6'11)
Houston: Scola (6'9) and Dalembert (6'11)
Indiana: West (6'9) and Hibbert (7'2)
Clippers: Griffin (6'10) and Jordan (6'11)
Lakers: Pau (7'0) and Bynum (7'0)
Memphis: Randolph (6'9) and Gasol (7'1)
Miami: Bosh (6'10) and Anthony (6'9)
Milwaukee: Gooden (6'10) and Bogut (7'0)
Minnesota: Love (6'10) and Pekovic (6'11)
New Jersey: Humphries (6'9) and Lopez (7'0)
New Orleans: Smith (7'0) and Kaman (7'0)
New York: Amare (6'10) and Chandler (7'1)
Oklahoma City: Ibaka (6'10) and Perkins (6'10)
Orlando: Anderson (6'10) and Dwight (6'11)
Philadelphia: Brand (6'8.) and Hawes (7'0)
Phoenix: Frye (6'11) and Gortat (6'11)
Portland: Aldridge (6'11) and Camby (6'11)
Sacramento: Thompson (6'11) and Cousins (6'11)
San Antonio: Blair (6'7) and Duncan (6'11)
Toronto: Johnson (6'9) and Bargnani (7'0)
Utah: Millsap (6'8.) and Jefferson (6'10)
Washington: Seraphin (6'9) and Nene (6'11)


League Average: 82.36667 inches
Bobcats: 81 inches


Does this change your thinking one way or the other?

[Veteran_Picksetter]

I can't come to conclusions until the combine measurements. I still recall seeing Robinson look 6'7" in an interview next to 7'0" Jeff Withey and 6'4" Craig Sager.

Like I've said in other posts, if Robinson measures out at a 7'ish wingspan and an 8'11"+ reach, I'm definitely interested. With those numbers he would be fine next to Biyombo.

But if he were truly 6'10" with his build and athleticism, I would expect him to:

A. weigh more like 250 than 237.
B. block way more than 1.0 shots per game on the college level.

As far as playing styles, they would be a decent fit. Robinson can run some pick and roll, along with some effectiveness from a face-up shooting position. That leaves space for Biyombo to stay near the lane where he can wait for offensive boards...

You'd still like to have Robinson improve his post moves, of course. But he and Bismack could be a good start....

[SuperKemba]

Biyombo just needs to get stronger during the offseason, he'll be fine.

[CharlotteHornets]

If Robinson measures in at 6'9 or above then the Bobcats could draft him but I am worried he may be closer to 6'7.5...

[CatNation1]

I think hes perfect prototypical faceup PF size that seems to dominate the NBA nowadays.

Biz is undersized but we know he plays bigger than his height

I think it could be a great pairing. we could use Robinsons rebounding..Mullens and Biz both struggled there

[Chef]

if we do go that direction it is more the two skillsets that each have that concern me the most. neither have a refined offensive game. both would be great hustle, rebound guys. biz could end up being a really great defender (he has a ton of work to do to get there though). we would really struggle to score from the front court in offensive sets.

[BlockParty]

Biz matches up just fine as a rookie against DHoward (the Center measuring stick until his back gives out). Biz is fine as a Center and we can mix Mully into the mix if we need offense and/or fouls for a few minutes here and there.

[JGib23]

Great breakdown video here of the pros and cons

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Thomas-Robinson-5496/

[SJackson1]

Biyombo is only 19 so he has time to grow even taller

[SJackson1]

we definatley need a power foward in this draft otherwise we will struggle to score points in the paint.

[westbrook08]

I personally don't care what robinson measures because i would be furious if we drafted him.His upside is not much more than what he was in college.We need to find a cornerstone in this draft not a complementary piece.He's basically gonna be david west.And while that's pretty good, we can get someone better.That's the same reason i don't want MKG.People say "oh,he's gonna be a young gerald wallace" and that's not good enough.We had the real gerald wallace, and part of the reason we blew the team up is that we need young wings that can score and not just defend.I say you have to take a chance on drummond.good bigs are hard to find.And if this were a few a years ago people would talking about him like they were leading up to the oden and howard drafts.I shouldn't be a surprise that he's raw @ this point, but he could easily end up being one of the most dominant big men in the game.And he could potentially end up meaning more for this team in the long run than davis would have.If not, i would trade down with portland for 6 and 11 and take damian lillard and quincy miller.I think those guys have some westbrook and durant potential!

[SJackson1]

i think its a good partnership and we would get more points in the paint which we need more than anything. Robinson is a strong guy with terrific athletic ability and would be a great draft pick for us

[Mustachio]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phI4jBq7wWs

[SJackson1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXDYkWPHvcg&feature=related

[Pepperz]

What do you think on playing T. Rob at the 3 in spurts? He will remain a 4 primarily but when we want to go big with T. Rob, Mullen, and Biz, can that shit work at times? He is so quick on his feet that it might work.

[SJackson1]

What do you think on playing T. Rob at the 3 in spurts? He will remain a 4 primarily but when we want to go big with T. Rob, Mullen, and Biz, can that shit work at times? He is so quick on his feet that it might work.

i like the idea of him playing SF at times, he would be impossible to guard at that position. he his very athletic for a guy 6ft 10

[raleigh]

2. Charlotte
3. Washington
4. Cleveland

The Wizards are highly unlikely to take Thomas Robinson because they have several, young bigs already. (Not to mention Nene's long-term contract). They're gonna take whichever of Beal or MKG are left to them at #3.

Cleveland also has the #24 pick, which they can use for incentive to have Charlotte take the wing (MKG or Beal) they want at #2, and then draft Robinson for the Bobcats at #4.

The Cavs do it because they can get a couple of good players (with better contracts) with their high 2nd rounders, so the #24 is not a huge loss. By leapfrogging Washington, they don't have to take the Wizards' hand-me-downs.

Charlotte gets a solid PF AND can grab a young wing on a cheap contract with the #24. Right now, Draftexpress has both Wroten and Taylor available at that pick. More talent, more talent, more talent.

[SWedd523]

Threads merged, edited, and stickied

[westbrook08]

I've actually been watching quite a bit of tape on him today and i gotta say that i'm backtracking a little bit.I still think you have to look @ drummond.But to whomever put the draft express link up above, it says in that article that kansas lists him @ 6'10 and that he measured that as well in shoes @ the lebron james skills camp over the summer.I still think he looks smaller,but it's interesting to say the least.I will say this though.he can definitely hold his position on the block and has plenty of athleticism to play above the rim.You have to look 2 strength more than height alot of times in the nba and he biz may or may not be undersized, but i damn sure don't see them getting pushed around by anyone.If we could trade down with cleveland and get him @ 4 and get fab melo @ 24 so that we could have a good young back up for biz, i think i would feel pretty comfortable with that.And i was thinking too that if drummond actually does take that long to develop we could potentially steal him away as a free agent in a few years before he's worth a max contract.But if we do draft robinson the one thing i do like is that he and biz are both very strong,they're committed to the game and will give it their all every night,and both will accept coaching.And that's how good teams win!

[SJackson1]

im impressed with his athletic ability for such a big man, he can post and and shoot the 15 ft jump shot and ive heard he's working on his 3 pointer aswell.

[LetsGoBobcats!]

What?! he is working on his 3 pointer?, he better just stick with his post moves and the 15 ft jump shot.

[spectre]

http://www.nba.com/teamsites/bobcats/gallery/2012-nba-draft-lottery?page=5

Is that Robinson on the left? He looks short.

[SJackson1]

0.57
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUQwGv3PES8

[SWedd523]

http://www.nba.com/teamsites/bobcats/gallery/2012-nba-draft-lottery?page=5

Is that Robinson on the left? He looks short.
Yes and yes

[SJackson1]

he his an all round good basketbal player and he has got good ball handling ability which helps on fast break points. Ive seen mnay videos when he gets a defensive rebound and then runs to the other end for an easy dunk.

He averaged 12 rebounds a game last year so he has to be over 6ft 9

[bes628]

http://www.nba.com/teamsites/bobcats/gallery/2012-nba-draft-lottery?page=5

Is that Robinson on the left? He looks short.

Shit. Thats not good.

[westbrook08]

I think people just get too caught up in measurements.Look @ kevin love.He's one of the best forwards in the nba in years and he gets it through effort.Robinson is so damn athletic that can easily play above the rim.He's a beast physically and if any player thinks they can push him around on the block, i say good luck with that.And he's also a good shooter and transition guy for his age who will only get better and seems very dedicated to working hard and improving.The school he went to and the skills camp he was @ this summer both listed him @ 6'10 in shoes, so even if they embellished you gotta figure he's @ least 6'8.Unless something happens like him coming in as 6'6 @ the combine, i wouldn't worry very much.He and biz are both strong as hell, quick learners, and dedicated to their sport.If we added a few scorers with those 2 guys down low, we could be pretty scary in 3 years time.just a parting thought though.If we could trade biz and portland's pick next year or take on a bad contract and could get, let's say the kings pick @ 5 and pair robinson with drummond instead of biz, would you guys wanna make that deal? Just curious.

[SJackson1]

this guy has a bit of everything and i think he his a safe pick for the No 2 spot. He his the type of player wee need in our starting 5 to play alongside Biyombo and be athletic on the boards and score points in the paint.

[westbrook08]

I totally agree.If this franchise is truly serious about building a true championship contender from the bottom up like okc, then he is exactly the kind of rugged versatile 4 that you want.And if he truly does continue to develop an outside shot he will will be a match up nightmare for other teams in the playoffs and allow kemba to get better penetration in the lane as well as giving biz easier looks with space down low.And wow, i just had to edit this because i watched the video on the other page about his family just now and if i wasn't sure about him before, i am now.That's not only the character you want in a player, but in any human being.What a great guy.I'd be proud to have him on our team and he would easily be my favorite player from day 1.I'm officially on the t-rob bandwagon!

[SJackson1]

I totally agree.If this franchise is truly serious about building a true championship contender from the bottom up like okc, then he is exactly the kind of rugged versatile 4 that you want.And if he truly does continue to develop an outside shot he will will be a match up nightmare for other teams in the playoffs and allow kemba to get better penetration in the lane as well as giving biz easier looks with space down low.And wow, i just had to edit this because i watched the video on the other page about his family just now and if i wasn't sure about him before, i am now.That's not only the character you want in a player, but in any human being.What a great guy.I'd be proud to have him on our team and he would easily be my favorite player from day 1.I'm officially on the t-rob bandwagon!

totally agree with you mate, the more videos i watch of him the better he gets. His overall game is very good becasue he can score in the paint and knock down a jump shot, a great rebounder, fantastic athletic ability which he posses alot of speed running up the floor for fast break points.

[BrotherDave]

He isn't that skilled in the post though, he mostly uses his athleticism which won't be as effective in the pros where everyone is bigger and more athletic. He can do a jumphook over his left and a nice quick spin with his right in traffic but the rest of his post game is just run of the mill effort shots. He has decent handles and good athleticism and speed but in games where he got matched up with multiple bigs (like against NC State for example), he was still pretty much nullified (7-17 that game). A lot of his stats might be just volume. He also has the same problem that Kemba does, he plays in top gear all the time, but that's less of a problem for bigs than smalls.

If he measures out to 6'9 or better, I think he'll be a very similar player to Horford. If he's 6'8 or shorter, I think he's a less skilled Derrick Williams except better suited for the 4. I'm a Drummond guy but I think TR would be a pretty good pick for us and I'm very interested to hear about his workouts.

[SJackson1]

we will learn alot in the NBA Draft combine and the workouts and that will determine if we select him or not, i think we will

[dnbman]

Just a note on Robinson's size, or lack there of it, and not being a prototypical PF: I think we have to remember that the NBA doesn't have a lot of prototypical bigs of any variety anymore. More and more teams are simply finding ways to make it work with whatever skill sets their players have.

That being said, my main question is more about how effective Robinson is going to be in the long run against what the NBA mostly produces at PF, which becoming more and more frequently slightly shorter guy, few having much in the way of back to the basket games.

That's not to say that Robinson is the pick. However, if we're expecting to draft that picture perfect PF, we may be holding out for a long time, as most of the draft capsules I've read about PFs in the last several years have either included "small," "raw," "slow," "soft," or "tweener." Robinson seems like he brings an adequate skill set to the NBA game and will continue to develop nicely.

[spectre]

Keep this post for after the official measurements. His size (or lack thereof) is what's going to keep me worried for a while.

[Mustachio]

I am basically sold on Robinson. I just don't think anyone else is good enough to pick at number 2. His size doesn't bother so much as his complete lack of a post game does. If he's 6'9 he can play PF in the league no problem, but how good he is will entirely depend on his back to basket game I think. He can be a great rebounder and a hustle guy, but to be an all star he will have to develop something in the post where he can get consistent points. The PF position in the NBA is filled with long defenders and thats something that he struggles with. Honestly though, if we went into the draft thinking we would get 2-4 instead of 1, I would have gladly accepted him. It just feels like a consolation prize in this case. Why can't we get the freaks just once?

[westbrook08]

I think to big of a deal is being made about his height.i mean charles barkley was 6'6, so was larry johnson.And i think he's gonna measure out bigger than either one of them.I think you have to look @ his actual frame.The guy has arms, legs, and shoulders like a tree.He's a freak! Do you think he's gonna have any problem boxing out our getting position? Cause i don't.I think he's built like a 19 yr old karl malone.And for whoever was saying that his lost post game wasn't great, i think you have to realize that he wasn't in a position to be the man @ kansas until a year ago.I think he's already shown a ton of improvement and will continue to be a hard worker and get better.I saw a video 2 weeks ago and he was stroking the ball from 3 point range.I think he's gonna be just fine.And any team that passes him up is gonna regret it!

[ammofan]

Are you guys really worried about whether he's 6'8, 6'9 or 6'10? It is something we should take notice of, but not something that should determine whether we pick him or not. He's a BIGGGG dude regardless of height. He's got freakin Dwight Howard shoulders and he has the athletic ability to play above the rim alot of the time...

I just think his toughness and all around skill makes him somebody we cant pass on.

[Swifft22]

Drummond. Wingspan is 7'2...and robinson is 7'1...i dont see robinsons size as problem..kg was a pf in his prime even though hes 6'11 he is only 210lbs...i think robinson's muscle will even out him being undersized

[SJackson1]

Are you guys really worried about whether he's 6'8, 6'9 or 6'10? It is something we should take notice of, but not something that should determine whether we pick him or not. He's a BIGGGG dude regardless of height. He's got freakin Dwight Howard shoulders and he has the athletic ability to play above the rim alot of the time...

I just think his toughness and all around skill makes him somebody we cant pass on.


agree mate, he his a walking double double and we have to take him in the draft becasue of his all round game.

[BrotherDave]

I think to big of a deal is being made about his height.i mean charles barkley was 6'6, so was larry johnson.And i think he's gonna measure out bigger than either one of them.I think you have to look @ his actual frame.The guy has arms, legs, and shoulders like a tree.He's a freak! Do you think he's gonna have any problem boxing out our getting position? Cause i don't.I think he's built like a 19 yr old karl malone.And for whoever was saying that his lost post game wasn't great, i think you have to realize that he wasn't in a position to be the man @ kansas until a year ago.I think he's already shown a ton of improvement and will continue to be a hard worker and get better.I saw a video 2 weeks ago and he was stroking the ball from 3 point range.I think he's gonna be just fine.And any team that passes him up is gonna regret it!

How many rings did those guys win again? Or perhaps more to the point, how far would Robinson have taken Kansas this year without 7' Withey? The answer is not nearly as far.

[SJackson1]

regladress of the team performance, Robinson had a great year scoring and rebounding and was there core all season.

[Swifft22]

His wing span is 7'1...230lbs built like lebron..dude can be a corner stone for the cats...i mean our leading rebounder diddnt even average 6 boards last year...hell bring scoring, D, and toughness...theres not alot of good 7' footers no more...

[Pepperz]

How many rings did those guys win again? Or perhaps more to the point, how far would Robinson have taken Kansas this year without 7' Withey? The answer is not nearly as far.

If rings going to be your counter argument, then you should remain silent. By that logic, you would take Ammo before you take Barkley, LJ, Karl Malone, stockton, Ewing, Iverson, and a shit load more of players that are HOFs.

[SJackson1]

His wing span is 7'1...230lbs built like lebron..dude can be a corner stone for the cats...i mean our leading rebounder diddnt even average 6 boards last year...hell bring scoring, D, and toughness...theres not alot of good 7' footers no more...


100% agree with you mate. Carlos Boozer is 6ft 9 and he his a fantastic PF and has been for many years and i think Robinson would be a great pick for us.

[Nata Fresh]

His wing span is 7'1...230lbs built like lebron..dude can be a corner stone for the cats...i mean our leading rebounder diddnt even average 6 boards last year...hell bring scoring, D, and toughness...theres not alot of good 7' footers no more...

Why are people so sure he'll bring scoring at the next level? Rebounds I can understand....scoring however isn't a given

[Plowright]

I wouldnt use the word fantastic for Boozer but i get your point haha

[Swifft22]

Why are people so sure he'll bring scoring at the next level? Rebounds I can understand....scoring however isn't a given

I can agree with you that college scoring doesnt always translate to the nba..thats a risk you take with most picks..its opinion based if you feel a player can translate there game...but he did more than hold his own against. Teams like UNC, UK etc...which is the best competition outside the NBA

[SWedd523]

The reason Robinson scored so well in college is because he almost always had a size/strength/athleticism advantage.

He won't have those same advantages in the league, and he wasn't a particularly skilled player in the first place, so it's feasible to think he'd have some difficulty scoring efficiently

[DashGlobal]

The reason Robinson scored so well in college is because he almost always had a size/strength/athleticism advantage.

He won't have those same advantages in the league, and he wasn't a particularly skilled player in the first place, so it's feasible to think he'd have some difficulty scoring efficiently

He has a pretty quick first step and a nice spin move, not to mention he has a decent mid range jumper. I dont think he will have a problem scoring. I am more concerned with his defense. Esp in the sense of blocked shots.

[Swifft22]

The reason Robinson scored so well in college is because he almost always had a size/strength/athleticism advantage.

He won't have those same advantages in the league, and he wasn't a particularly skilled player in the first place, so it's feasible to think he'd have some difficulty scoring efficiently

That opinion could be made about almost every big who came out of college...when he did face size he still was effective...his ability to face up..improve his jumper, use is first step to attack, add a up n under move, mabey a hook shot..will determine if becomes a good player or a all star..we dont know yet...i just hope hes not another TT

[Plowright]

He wont be another TT, he wont get man handled like TT does as his body is much more developed

[spectre]

Did you guys see the vid on DX's page on Robinson? It said one of his weaknesses was scoring against bigger opponents.

I sure love his motor though. In that same vid he'd beat a lot of players down to the other end on fast breaks.

[Jerp]

Did you guys see the vid on DX's page on Robinson? It said one of his weaknesses was scoring against bigger opponents.

I sure love his motor though. In that same vid he'd beat a lot of players down to the other end on fast breaks.
Just watched it, hes got good hustle gets good position on rebounds, but i think it said he shot 33% on jumpers and thats even after he's steadily improved, and when he starts shooting he just keeps on going even if hes not making them. I'm not extremely high on TRob, he doesnt have much of a post presence and he's already 21. Couple that with the fact he could measure in around 6' 7"-6 ' 7.5", and you're looking at limited upside.

[CrazyCarl139]

SI.com is reporting that the Wizards love Thomas Robinson. If he's our guy, we got to stay at #2 to get him.

[Chef]

I sure love his motor though.


jay bilas alert

[Mustachio]

jay bilas alert

This post has tremendous upside.

[SJackson1]

alot of teams will like TRob becasue of his all round game, ive heard he's working on his 3 point shot aswell

[SWedd523]

He has a pretty quick first step and a nice spin move, not to mention he has a decent mid range jumper. I dont think he will have a problem scoring. I am more concerned with his defense. Esp in the sense of blocked shots.
He still doesn't have any back to the basket post moves. He isn't going to back his man down and hit him with counters and score. Don't know why you think he's a good jump shooter, as he's below average in that aspect of the game, but you can go with it.


That opinion could be made about almost every big who came out of college...when he did face size he still was effective...his ability to face up..improve his jumper, use is first step to attack, add a up n under move, mabey a hook shot..will determine if becomes a good player or a all star..we dont know yet...i just hope hes not another TT
Two other guys in this year's draft will be adequate post scorers regardless of size. Sullinger and Zeller have what's called post moves. Robinson doesn't really have any of those.

Of course he can ADD those things. The point is he doesn't currently have them.

[SJackson1]

he has got a decent jumper and he can shoot it from range if needed. He will definatley improve our fast break points for some easy baskets and he's strong in the post

[westbrook08]

ok first of all swedd said that he had a physical advantage in college that he won't have in the pros.Bullshit! This kid is a beast.No one is gonna push him around on the block.Period.And as far as his shooting and post moves my point is that last year was the first significant playing time time he's gotten because of the morris brother's being there before him.and he has shown tremendous strides in that time.And i can see sullinger having limited success in the pros.But did someone really use zellar as a comparison? LMAOROTFL! Like i've said a million times you have to look at his frame and work ethic the most.Outside of davis i don't think there's another big who's close to his upside in the lottery.And he's not gonna make it till 4 in my opinion.I think washington would be all over him.And people keep saying the cavs wanna trade up for beal, but that's the media saying that's who they should take.They can get beal @ 4.They want MKG cause he was kyrie irving's high school teammate and those 2 desperately want to play together.We need to stay @ 2 and draft robinson! And for the record: I get so sick people talking about someone being a "franchise player" or "superstar".Those are guys, that when they come along,usually end up being first ballot hall of famers by the end of their careers.You can't count on one of those just happening in any given draft.But there are many players that can can still change the course of a franchise and put it on the right path.And i certainly believe that robinson has franchise changing qualities.He doesn't have to be a "superstar" to be what we need out of this draft.And since were tearing everyone's games apart.How many times did davis spot up for a 15 footer or back someone down and throw a smooth jump hook over them last year? All these guys need to work on their games when they get to the pros.That's why they're rookies!

[SWedd523]

He isn't going to push people around like he was able to in college. Not saying he's a string bean in the NBA, but he's certainly not going to be bullying anybody

[SJackson1]

He isn't going to push people around like he was able to in college. Not saying he's a string bean in the NBA, but he's certainly not going to be bullying anybody

he might not be able to bully anybody but he his very athletic and will challenge most PF's in the league.

[SWedd523]

he might not be able to bully anybody but he his very athletic and will challenge most PF's in the league.
... and I never said he wouldn't.

But as a player that got by more on athleticism than skill in college, there's a legitimate question of how he's going to adjust to not being the top dog anymore.

[westbrook08]

I respect your opinion swedd.I just disagree.I think he's gonna be a load to guard in the pro's and think he will turn out to be a very skilled big man.Just what i've seen in workout videos of him since the season goes a long way towards telling me that he is going to be a tireless woker and a great example in our locker room if we draft him.I'm just curious,who do like with the #2 pick? I'm not being sarcastic @ all, i just wanna know who you feel fits best for our team.I mean, you know how i feel! lol.

[SWedd523]

A lot of the things you said are true, but I'm talking about pure athleticism. He obviously won't be Sean May, but he isn't going to be a head-and-shoulders dominant athlete. Look at Kemba. In college he was lightning quick and nobody could stay with him. Then he got to the league and, while still quick, he's closer to the average than the exception.

Robinson is clearly a hard worker and should be able to get to where he has a good set of post moves, but you'd be silly to think he's Scola, Randolph, Jefferson, or even Bosh. He's just not a back to the basket type of guy at this point in his career and he's going to struggle a little bit until he adjusts.

[bes628]

I don't think Robinson is anywhere near his ceiling yet skill wise, dude has only been a starter for 1 year. He already has great athleticism that will only help his development, and a decent enough offensive/defensive/rebounding skill set to help this team out from the jump.

[DashGlobal]

A lot of the things you said are true, but I'm talking about pure athleticism. He obviously won't be Sean May, but he isn't going to be a head-and-shoulders dominant athlete. Look at Kemba. In college he was lightning quick and nobody could stay with him. Then he got to the league and, while still quick, he's closer to the average than the exception.

Robinson is clearly a hard worker and should be able to get to where he has a good set of post moves, but you'd be silly to think he's Scola, Randolph, Jefferson, or even Bosh. He's just not a back to the basket type of guy at this point in his career and he's going to struggle a little bit until he adjusts.

Kemba can beat his man off the dribble at will. He just has to learn how to finish better and find open team-mates.

[SWedd523]

Just about any PG can do that. Say hello to the "no hand-check" era.


Is Kemba an elite athlete at the PG position? No.

[SJackson1]

i think he will be a walking double double when he develops fully into an NBA player becasue of his great athletic ability

[Scottley Crue]

It's not official, but here's what Robinson told Jeff Goodman with CBS about his measurements:

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanCBS
Thomas Robinson just told me he measured 6-8 3/4 with shoes. 7-3 wingspan and 5 percent body fat. Official measurements released tomorrow

[Mustachio]

It's not official, but here's what Robinson told Jeff Goodman with CBS about his measurements:

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanCBS
Thomas Robinson just told me he measured 6-8 3/4 with shoes. 7-3 wingspan and 5 percent body fat. Official measurements released tomorrow

Yikes. love the wingspan, hate the height. decision time.

[Potato]

6'8" 3/4 though that's almost 6'9", that's less than a centimeter from 6'9" cause 2.5 centimeters make an inch lol:

[spectre]

Yikes. love the wingspan, hate the height. decision time.

Really? I know that picture influenced me but I'm pretty thrilled with 6'9" height. That's a fine size for a PF IMO. The wingspan is good and 5% body fat is pretty awesome too! With that I think he will be able to bring some sorely needed toughness to our squad.

[Mustachio]

Really? I know that picture influenced me but I'm pretty thrilled with 6'9" height. That's a fine size for a PF IMO. The wingspan is good and 5% body fat is pretty awesome too! With that I think he will be able to bring some sorely needed toughness to our squad.

No doubt about his toughness. I like him and its not like he's small but I was just hoping for 6'10. He's 6'8 3/4" IN shoes. thats awfully small beside a 6'10 center. Both have great wingspan though. Maybe ok. Still with his lack of a true post offense and relatively small size, its a literally scary at #2.

[spectre]

No doubt about his toughness. I like him and its not like he's small but I was just hoping for 6'10. He's 6'8 3/4" IN shoes. thats awfully small beside a 6'10 center. Both have great wingspan though. Maybe ok. Still with his lack of a true post offense and relatively small size, its a literally scary at #2.

Hell all these guys at 2 are scary to me...mainly the reason I can't make up my mind one way or the other.

Remember toughness and good position can negate height...and I think Robinson has both of those.

[Mustachio]

Hell all these guys at 2 are scary to me...mainly the reason I can't make up my mind one way or the other.

Remember toughness and good position can negate height...and I think Robinson has both of those.

HA totally agree. #2 is terrifying. And you don't have to sell me on Robinson, his production sold me a long time ago. Just would have been closer to 100% sure if he was 6'10.

[SJackson1]

in my opinion there are 4 guys who we could draft at No 2, TRob, MKG, Beal and Barnes. Robinson is the safest pick out of all of them but MKG has alot to offer at such a young age.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

There are no positions in basketball only mismatches ~ Wise person
T-Rob fits this quote perfectly, you put him up against a bruiser in the post Jefferson, Randolph, Landry or Milsap I guarantee 9/10 Robinson will be quicker than them. Put him up against a new age power forward Bargnani, Bosh, P.Gasol and again it's clear to see he will have a strength advantage over them. He's just got to be clever on D and get in the right positions to avoid being dominated in the post.

Still nothing on Drummond though.

[SJackson1]

There are no positions in basketball only mismatches ~ Wise person
T-Rob fits this quote perfectly, you put him up against a bruiser in the post Jefferson, Randolph, Landry or Milsap I guarantee 9/10 Robinson will be quicker than them. Put him up against a new age power forward Bargnani, Bosh, P.Gasol and again it's clear to see he will have a strength advantage over them. He's just got to be clever on D and get in the right positions to avoid being dominated in the post.

Still nothing on Drummond though.

yes TRob is very athletic and will be a nightmare for other PF in the league with his ability to spin and shake

[BRNC]

I finally got around to voting in the #2 draft poll...I really hope we keep the pick and take Robinson...I realize we get a little crowded at the four but he'd be the best four on the roster...I'd rather pick him and try to package DJ/TT for something...anything...

[spectre]

I finally got around to voting in the #2 draft poll...I really hope we keep the pick and take Robinson...I realize we get a little crowded at the four but he'd be the best four on the roster...I'd rather pick him and try to package DJ/TT for something...anything...

Great to see you BRNC!

Now if we can get Keetch, Muttley & Beagle to weigh in maybe I can figure my choice out too!

[SJackson1]

I think Robinson would be an instant success with us and would be candidate for ROY, he will get loads of rebounds and we need points in the paint and he will post up quite a bit i imagine

[dnbman]

Great to see you BRNC!

Now if we can get Keetch, Muttley & Beagle to weigh in maybe I can figure my choice out too!

A while back, Keetch said MKG, which is coloring my vision on all of this. No idea if he still agrees.

[WAM9]

First thing I have seen from the combine about Robinson. Still no height without shoes but ...

6'8.75" in shoes with a 7'3" wingspan!

5% Body Fat.

Nothing here I don't like. 7'3'' wingspan...are you kidding me?

I want him.


http://www.bulletsforever.com/2012/6/7/3070841/nba-draft-combine-height-length-thomas-robinson-bradley-beal

[DashGlobal]

First thing I have seen from the combine about Robinson. Still no height without shoes but ...

6'8.75" in shoes with a 7'3" wingspan!

5% Body Fat.

Nothing here I don't like. 7'3'' wingspan...are you kidding me?

I want him.


http://www.bulletsforever.com/2012/6/7/3070841/nba-draft-combine-height-length-thomas-robinson-bradley-beal

You like the fact that he isnt even 6'9 with shoes on?!?

[SWedd523]

Great to see you BRNC!

Now if we can get Keetch, Muttley & Beagle to weigh in maybe I can figure my choice out too!
Unfortunately, I think a lot of the uh... "new talent" has scared the older folks off

[Plowright]

When Robinson was asked about Anthony Davis's t shirt which said "Check The Stats" he replied saying "if this is about stats then I am the number 1 pick. I've got to get one of those shirts" THOMAS ROBINSON= LAD!

[WAM9]

You like the fact that he isnt even 6'9 with shoes on?!?

He is slightly undersized. We already knew that. But 6'9'' in shoes is so bad? That means he is almost a legit 6'8''.

I was talking primarily about the 7'3'' wingspan. I know that looking past the 1st line of obvious stats isn't your specialty but I am completely stoked about his wingspan. That will translate to standing reach, etc...

I also love his 5% body fat.

So, yes, this does nothing but make ne want him even more. Period.

[SJackson1]

yes i think Robinson might have made up the minds of Rich Cho and co following today

[DashGlobal]

He is slightly undersized. We already knew that. But 6'9'' in shoes is so bad? That means he is almost a legit 6'8''.

I was talking primarily about the 7'3'' wingspan. I know that looking past the 1st line of obvious stats isn't your specialty but I am completely stoked about his wingspan. That will translate to standing reach, etc...

I also love his 5% body fat.

So, yes, this does nothing but make ne want him even more. Period.

6'9 isnt terrible but it certainly isnt ideal.

[SJackson1]

his wingspan is very very good at 7.3 and becasue he's athletic he will be able to challange bigger fowards in the post

[WAM9]

6'9 isnt terrible but it certainly isnt ideal.

Am I crazy and the only one who looks at wingspan as much as height?

7'3'' is a crazy wingspan.

Maybe he isn't finished growing? Who knows.

I am looking forward to seeing his standing reach vs other top PFs in the league.

[SWedd523]

No, you're not. Wingspan and standing reach usually have more value, but good luck getting people to look past that

[SJackson1]

Biyombo's wingspan is about very good aswell so they should be ok defending in the post.

[WAM9]

Biyombo's wingspan is about very good aswell so they should be ok defending in the post.

I think Smack is like 7'5'' or something crazy like that.

This is one of the main reasons I think Robinson and Smack can play together a la Zo-LJ.

[WAM9]

No, you're not. Wingspan and standing reach usually have more value, but good luck getting people to look past that

:)

....10 char

[BETCATS]

I am sort've scared that him and Biyambo would be too undersized to play both together. I really do think Robinson is the best player available though.

[ohara831]

I'm OK with 6'9 and a wingspan of 7'3. He can play the PF for us.

[superb1]

I am sort've scared that him and Biyambo would be too undersized to play both together. I really do think Robinson is the best player available though.
idk, maybe this is where Mullens will best fit in the picture, he can bring the length, but he needs to toughen up though

[bes628]

Seriously..who gives a shit what he measures without shoes ? When is the last time somebody didn't wear shoes while playing ball. Dude is basically 6'9"

[DashGlobal]

Seriously..who gives a shit what he measures without shoes ? When is the last time somebody didn't wear shoes while playing ball. Dude is basically 6'9"

The point is 6'9 is undersized for the post.

[bes628]

The point is 6'9 is undersized for the post.

Does not mean he won't be productive.

[dnbman]

The point is 6'9 is undersized for the post.

6.9 is pretty average for a 4/PF/big/whatever.

[DashGlobal]

Does not mean he won't be productive.

Ovcourse not. But is is certainly an area for concern.

[dnbman]

Many believe that Robinson is the second best player in the draft. Many also believe that the pairing between him and Bismack wouldn't work because they'd be too small. I decided to put that discussion to rest once and for all. The following list is the starting bigs for every team across the league last year. I used bballref for measurements and to guess starters when I wasn't sure who it was. Charlotte has the projected Robinson and Bismack listed.

Atlanta: Horford (6'10) and Pachulia (6'11)
Boston: Bass (6'8.) and Garnett (6'11)
Charlotte: Robinson (6'10) and Bismack (6'9)
Chicago: Boozer (6'9) and Noah (6'11)
Cleveland: Thompson (6'8.) and Vaarejao (6'10)
Dallas: Dirk (7'0) and Haywood (7'0)
Denver: Faried (6'8.) and McGee (7'0)
Detroit: Maxiell (6'7) and Monroe (6'11)
Golden State: Lee (6'9) and Biedrins (6'11)
Houston: Scola (6'9) and Dalembert (6'11)
Indiana: West (6'9) and Hibbert (7'2)
Clippers: Griffin (6'10) and Jordan (6'11)
Lakers: Pau (7'0) and Bynum (7'0)
Memphis: Randolph (6'9) and Gasol (7'1)
Miami: Bosh (6'10) and Anthony (6'9)
Milwaukee: Gooden (6'10) and Bogut (7'0)
Minnesota: Love (6'10) and Pekovic (6'11)
New Jersey: Humphries (6'9) and Lopez (7'0)
New Orleans: Smith (7'0) and Kaman (7'0)
New York: Amare (6'10) and Chandler (7'1)
Oklahoma City: Ibaka (6'10) and Perkins (6'10)
Orlando: Anderson (6'10) and Dwight (6'11)
Philadelphia: Brand (6'8.) and Hawes (7'0)
Phoenix: Frye (6'11) and Gortat (6'11)
Portland: Aldridge (6'11) and Camby (6'11)
Sacramento: Thompson (6'11) and Cousins (6'11)
San Antonio: Blair (6'7) and Duncan (6'11)
Toronto: Johnson (6'9) and Bargnani (7'0)
Utah: Millsap (6'8.) and Jefferson (6'10)
Washington: Seraphin (6'9) and Nene (6'11)


League Average: 82.36667 inches
Bobcats: 81.5 inches


Does this change your thinking one way or the other?

Swedd, can you add a note to the thread title for where this chart is? (page 5)

[SJackson1]

Boozer and Noah are only 6ft9 and 6ft11 and lets not forget that biyombo is only 19 years old and he may grow even taller

[Black]

Swedd, can you add a note to the thread title for where this chart is? (page 5)

Actually, I've been meaning to mention this. When you want to mention a specific post, give the post number, not the page number. I have my options set so that I get more posts per page then the default setting. The post number is in the top right corner of the post.

[Black]

Some quotes from Robinson today that I really liked:


Asked if he'd be miffed if New Orleans didn't consider him, Robinson said. "I don't need to be top pick, just the best pick.''


How fired up is Robinson to make his mark in the NBA? He says "I'm going to try to kill everybody." Robinson had been asked if he'd be keeping a list of teams that passed on him to get revenge later, at which point he officially entered the media day version of beast mode: "I'm going to go after every team that I step on the floor against. There's really not going to be a specific team that I'm going to point out and just try to kill. I'm going to try to kill everybody."

With his measurements coming in strong, and that attitude, I'm starting to love the idea of him at #2.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

I know that looking past the 1st line of obvious stats isn't your specialty but I am completely stoked about his wingspan. That will translate to standing reach, etc...


Not neccessarily. He also appears to have a large head, which could mean low shoulders and a mediocre standing reach. Or most of his wingspan could come from broad shoulders rather than arm length. Or some combination of the two.

Danny Granger is an example of someone who's standing reach didn't exactly match up with his height and wingspan measurements. It happens.

But I hope I'm wrong. 6'7.5" in socks, 7'3" wingspan, and 8'11-9'0" standing reach could have me a little more excited about him.

[SWedd523]

Swedd, can you add a note to the thread title for where this chart is? (page 5)
I compiled those numbers on my own. Robinson will likely be listed at 6'9, so him and Bismack would be 1.3 inches shorter than the average PF/C tandem.


Which isn't a big deal really when you think about the combined length. Bismack has some of, if not the, longest arms in the league and Robinson at 7'3 isn't too far behind.

[dnbman]

I compiled those numbers on my own.

Right. It was great work that I keep wanting to return to. I was thinking you could add a post number on the thread title like the parenthetical coaches notes on the coaching thread.

[SWedd523]

Right. It was great work that I keep wanting to return to. I was thinking you could add a post number on the thread title like the parenthetical coaches notes on the coaching thread.
Oh my bad, I edited the chart to reflect his likely listing and will update the thread title

[westbrook08]

I could straight up give a shit about the measurements.He and biz both have good frames and reach and play with fire and dedication.There are plenty of teams that would be drooling over having 2 young guys like that down low to build a team around.I just can't say enough about robinson's attitude though.Some players just have "it".And i think he does in abundance.You can throw stats and measurements out the window as far as i'm concerned.I think this kid is gonna be a big time star.But everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

[SJackson1]

if we get Robinson we are a step closer to building a solid team, with Walker, Biyombo, Henderson and TRob we have 4 young prospects their and i think they will all turn into good solid pros

[Plowright]

Oh wow Jared Sullinger had better Reach to Robinson... 8'11 to Robinson's 8'10

[dnbman]

Oh wow Jared Sullinger had better Reach to Robinson... 8'11 to Robinson's 8'10

I like Robinson's physique and game so much better than Sullinger's that the inch difference seems completely inconsequential.

[WAM9]

Since this has turned into a measurements discussion...

Heigth is one of the most over rated measurements in sports, especially basketball. You can make assumptions on other things based on height but by itself, it means next to nothing.

Other than measurables like vertical jump and that type of thing, there are really only 2 stats I look at - Wingspan and Standing Reach.

This tells you, regardless of heigth, how long a player is (vertically) and how wide they can get on defense (horizontally).

Let me give you 2 generic kids and you tell me who you would rather have:

Kid 1 - 6'11'' height - 6'11'' wingspan - 8'11'' standing reach OR
Kid 2 - 6'8'' height - 7'3'' wingspan - 9'1'' standng reach?

Even if you were asking me for our starting center spot, I would take kid 2 ALL DAY LONG.

Since when does anyone play defense with there forehead?

When you have all the measurements in front of you, height is one of the last things I would look at.

[SJackson1]

if i guy is 6ft 11 and averages 8 boards a game in college and and other guy is 6ft 8 3/4 and averages 12 boards a game you select the 6ft 8 3/4 guy !

[Mustachio]

Some quotes from Robinson today that I really liked:
Asked if he'd be miffed if New Orleans didn't consider him, Robinson said. "I don't need to be top pick, just the best pick.'' How fired up is Robinson to make his mark in the NBA? He says "I'm going to try to kill everybody." Robinson had been asked if he'd be keeping a list of teams that passed on him to get revenge later, at which point he officially entered the media day version of beast mode: "I'm going to go after every team that I step on the floor against. There's really not going to be a specific team that I'm going to point out and just try to kill. I'm going to try to kill everybody."




With his measurements coming in strong, and that attitude, I'm starting to love the idea of him at #2.

100% agree. he needs to keep that chip on his shoulder. Attitude is one thing, but you got to put in the work as well, and I have zero reason to believe this kid wont do that. Drafting Thomas Robinson and getting a SF out of this draft will make the sting of losing Anthony Davis settle a bit.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Oh wow Jared Sullinger had better Reach to Robinson... 8'11 to Robinson's 8'10

Where are you getting your info?? I feel left out!!

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Since this has turned into a measurements discussion...

Heigth is one of the most over rated measurements in sports, especially basketball. You can make assumptions on other things based on height but by itself, it means next to nothing.

Other than measurables like vertical jump and that type of thing, there are really only 2 stats I look at - Wingspan and Standing Reach.

This tells you, regardless of heigth, how long a player is (vertically) and how wide they can get on defense (horizontally).

Let me give you 2 generic kids and you tell me who you would rather have:

Kid 1 - 6'11'' height - 6'11'' wingspan - 8'11'' standing reach OR
Kid 2 - 6'8'' height - 7'3'' wingspan - 9'1'' standng reach?

Even if you were asking me for our starting center spot, I would take kid 2 ALL DAY LONG.

Since when does anyone play defense with there forehead?

When you have all the measurements in front of you, height is one of the last things I would look at.

Thank you. I've been trying to say this for years, ever since I was a 6'3" baller with low shoulders and average length arms who couldn't quite dunk. Unfortunately back then we didn't have standing reach measurements. The dark ages.

[Jerp]

Where are you getting your info?? I feel left out!!

Chad Ford posted some pictures on the twitters earlier
https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/211090879375613953/photo/1
https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/211090854654386176/photo/1

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Oh wow Jared Sullinger had better Reach to Robinson... 8'11 to Robinson's 8'10

Sullinger blocked more shots per minute last season than Robinson, rebounded well himself, AND has a more complete offensive repetoire than Robinson. Something to think about.......

Maybe get Sullinger lower in a trade down......

[dnbman]

Sullinger blocked more shots per minute last season than Robinson, rebounded well himself, AND has a more complete offensive repetoire than Robinson. Something to think about.......

Maybe get Sullinger lower in a trade down......

Though his stats might be better, I was much more impressed with Robinson in the tournament. That may be a skewed way to look at it, but Robinson seems like a better candidate to transition to the NBA. Thomas is also 24 lbs lighter, yet doesn't seem any less strong than Sullinger. That tells me he's likely better conditioned and will last longer.

[SJackson1]

Robinson also averaged 11.8 rebounds per game and he also shot 69% from the free throw line which is impressive.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Though his stats might be better, I was much more impressed with Robinson in the tournament. That may be a skewed way to look at it, but Robinson seems like a better candidate to transition to the NBA. Thomas is also 24 lbs lighter, yet doesn't seem any less strong than Sullinger. That tells me he's likely better conditioned and will last longer.

Very good points. But if Sullinger could get you better offensive post play at number 6, along with another asset(pick 11?), maybe it would be worth it?? Quantity vs. Quality......

Man, if Sullinger could get down to 250 lbs, he'd be so good. (Can't count on that, of course)

[bes628]

I love Thomas Robinson attitude.

[Mustachio]

More of Thomas Robinson's attitude. He wants to kill... everybody.

http://dimemag.com/2012/06/thomas-robinson-im-trying-to-kill-everybody/

[bes628]

More of Thomas Robinson's attitude. He wants to kill... everybody.

http://dimemag.com/2012/06/thomas-robinson-im-trying-to-kill-everybody/

yes yes yes !

[Ghost Kat]

I like Robinson, I hope we pick him. Even though our low post will be on the small side they have bounce and aggression on their side. Atleast Thomas has some sorta post up game and I like his rebounding totals. That means he goes after the ball. I dont know if he's a franchise player but with this weak draft He's a real good choice.

[dnbman]

bounce and aggression on their side.

Hell, yeah. We could make a buddy-cop movie based on those two guys.

[Black]

Posted this in the #2 pick thread:


The second-best player in this draft class – or perhaps the best – is Kansas power forward Thomas Robinson. It seems strange, then, that the Charlotte Bobcats, who own the second pick in the draft, haven’t even reached out to Robinson’s camp. No phone call, no interview scheduled, no workout request. It starts to make sense, though, when you learn that the Bobcats are actively shopping the pick, and have no intention of drafting number two. According to several league sources, the Bobcats are looking for a star-caliber player and will only move the pick to a team willing to take on bad contracts like that of Tyrus Thomas or Gana Diop.

[Felton for Prez]

T-Rob didn't make it to 6'9 with shoes on

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2012-nba-draft-combine-measurements-released

[spectre]

Posted this in the #2 pick thread:

This is weird as hell to me. We contacted Beal & MKG and both are coming in...why not Robinson?

[Mustachio]

This is weird as hell to me. We contacted Beal & MKG and both are coming in...why not Robinson?


its still really early. Perhaps they've been scouting him hard and know what they are getting in him and are in no rush to meet. Lot of players to look at. Just spitballing here.

Also this just came across the wire from Chad Ford.

Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider (https://twitter.com/#%21/chadfordinsider) Thomas Robinson measured a 35.5 inch vert. Very good for a player his size. Blake Griffin also has a 35.5


Consider me sold. He is already a better basketball player than Blake. Having his athleticism just the icing on the cake.

[iowabobcat]

According to Chad Ford, Robinson had a 35.5 inch vertical. He added that Blake Griffin also has a 35.5 inch vertical.

[spectre]

its still really early. Perhaps they've been scouting him hard and know what they are getting in him and are in no rush to meet. Lot of players to look at. Just spitballing here.

Also this just came across the wire from Chad Ford.

Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider (https://twitter.com/#%21/chadfordinsider) Thomas Robinson measured a 35.5 inch vert. Very good for a player his size. Blake Griffin also has a 35.5


Consider me sold. He is already a better basketball player than Blake. Having his athleticism just the icing on the cake.

A feint maybe? Those who are most hot to move up appear to be after MKG or Beal.

[Plowright]

This has Wowed me for sure, the same athleticism as Blake!?!? I know its only standing vert but thats very impressive. I mean Swedd was saying one of his drawbacks was he used his athelticism too much in college, but if he is that athletic maybe it will carry to the NBA...


Have I angered the mighty Swedd? haha

I dont know how much difference there is between standing Vert and actual all round athleticism

[BlockParty]

I'm not concerned at all that we haven't contacted Robinson. From everything I've seen, his stock has only risen in the the last week, even given mild speculation that Davis may not be a 100% lock at #1. So since he is unquestionably in the top 2, we don't need to evaluate him or Davis. We merely need to draft whichever one is left after New Orleans picks.

The reason we are engaging other players that are outside of the top 2 is to identify what is available for some of the trades that are undoubtedly being talked about.

This doesn't mean we don't bring Robinson in, it just means we are in no hurry to bring him in, the draft is still weeks away.

[Chef]

I'm not concerned at all that we haven't contacted Robinson. From everything I've seen, his stock has only risen in the the last week, even given mild speculation that Davis may not be a 100% lock at #1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vQaVIoEjOM

[Black]

I'm 100% sold on Robinson, we will probably contact him within the next day or so. Take him at #2, and try and move back into the first in the 20-24 range; still plenty of talent available.

[Chef]

robinson measured a 35.5" vert. equal to blake griffin and same size as he is. i think he is the clear #2, in my mind.

[BlockParty]

@bobcats posted an interview picture with Robinson

T-Rob would welcome being selected #2 by the Bobcats (https://twitter.com/bobcats/status/211182072872701952/photo/1)

[Veteran_Picksetter]

T-Rob didn't make it to 6'9 with shoes on

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2012-nba-draft-combine-measurements-released

Only because he wore shoes with short soles.

Most shoes add about 1.25" of height. T-Rob was 6'7.75" in socks, which would make him 6'9" in a typical shoe. Some guys even wear shoes to these things that add a full 2 inches. T-Rob didn't care to "cheat" high heels. I like that.

More important than height, he's 244 lbs. of solid muscle, with a great 7'3" wingspan, and a passable 8'10.25" standing reach(correcting for sole size). At least that reach is better than Blake Griffin, Sean May, and Kevin Love.

I wouldn't cry if we took him. But let's keep exploring to see if there is one other franchise player to be gained from this draft besides Anthony Davis.

[SJackson1]

TRob is going to be a great player in the NBA and i just hope we take him at No 2 !

[dnbman]

Have I angered the mighty Swedd? haha

It's kind of entertaining to keep Swedd angered. Keep it up!

I definitely don't think the vertical solidified him as #2, but he helps his case.

[SJackson1]

i think Robinson might be the most NBA ready out of the candidates and the guy will be a walking double double in my opinion.

[SWedd523]

This has Wowed me for sure, the same athleticism as Blake!?!? I know its only standing vert but thats very impressive. I mean Swedd was saying one of his drawbacks was he used his athelticism too much in college, but if he is that athletic maybe it will carry to the NBA...


Have I angered the mighty Swedd? haha

I dont know how much difference there is between standing Vert and actual all round athleticism
I didn't mean it as a drawback. I said he wasn't going to be a dominant athlete on the same level as he was in college

[spectre]

robinson measured a 35.5" vert. equal to blake griffin and same size as he is. i think he is the clear #2, in my mind.

Just to entertain the guy who's an idiot in regards to these college players...what's the differences between Griffin & Robinson?

BTW I'm getting pretty sold too, but I'm trying not to fall in love with anyone.

[Ghost Kat]

I don't understand all the talk about inches and measurements. Maybe since it's the summer and we have nothing better to talk about. Robinson must live in the weight room. He has the body of one of my G.I. Joe actions figures from when i was little. Robinson and Bizzy B would be like two pit bulls in the low post.

[Black]

I don't understand all the talk about inches and measurements. Maybe since it's the summer and we have nothing better to talk about. Robinson must live in the weight room. He has the body of one of my G.I. Joe actions figures from when i was little. Robinson and Bizzy B would be like two pit bulls in the low post.

Agreed. I was concerned with how he measured initially, but he's blown me away. He's long, strong, athletic as hell, and has the best mentality of anyone in the draft. He would be a perfect compliment to Bismack.

[bes628]

I don't understand all the talk about inches and measurements. Maybe since it's the summer and we have nothing better to talk about. Robinson must live in the weight room. He has the body of one of my G.I. Joe actions figures from when i was little. Robinson and Bizzy B would be like two pit bulls in the low post.
What I don't understand is the amount of fucks given about height without shoes. Like he's gonna play without them.

[dnbman]

I don't understand all the talk about inches and measurements. Maybe since it's the summer and we have nothing better to talk about. Robinson must live in the weight room. He has the body of one of my G.I. Joe actions figures from when i was little. Robinson and Bizzy B would be like two pit bulls in the low post.

http://www.accelerator3359.com/Wrestling/pictures/doom2.jpg

[Veteran_Picksetter]

What I don't understand is the amount of fucks given about height without shoes. Like he's gonna play without them.

My rule. NBA height = height without shoes + 1.25"(the typical sole of a shoe).

That puts T-Rob squarely at 6'9" in my book.

But you need the height without shoes to figure that out. Some of these guys get 1.75" to 2" in gain from the shoes they wear on measurement day. I doubt they could play effectively in those high heels.....

[Veteran_Picksetter]

This awesome new video of T-Rob, along with the new measurements, has me:

A. wanting T-Rob to play for the Bobcats so I can see him live.
B. hitting the weights and working out again!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmzwMeQy5o0&feature=related

[Veteran_Picksetter]

T-Rob ties or beats out the following NBA bigs in both wingspan and standing reach:

Blake Griffin
Kevin Love
Troy Murphy
Tyler Hansbrough
Paul Millsap
Marcus Morris
Trevor Booker
Jason Smith
Brian Scalabrine
Matt Bonner
Sean May (I know, "NBA big" is a stretch)
Eduardo Najera
Craig Smith

[Veteran_Picksetter]

T-Rob beats out the following NBA bigs in wingspan, and comes within half an inch of their standing reaches(correcting for sole size):

Kris Humphries
Josh Smith
Drew Gooden
DeJuan Blair
David Lee
Ronny Turiaf
Brandon Bass
Josh McRoberts

[ziggy]

I'm on the verge of really leaping onto the Thomas Robinson bandwagon.

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs7/3776352_o.gif

[Veteran_Picksetter]

I'm on the verge of really leaping onto the Thomas Robinson bandwagon.

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs7/3776352_o.gif

Watch that video I just posted. It'll get you jacked up and ready to go see him from the front row....

[BlockParty]

After watching the YouTube Veteran_Picksetter put up, I looked at a couple others. Same story, lot of the same highlights, but the voice overs include MJ...It'd be nice if they could watch this together and then go play a game of HORSE (with BCP members in attendance).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDPaU9Iuzjk&feature=related

[QC Thundercats]

I don't think Robinson's size should be a matter of concern for anybody anymore.

Here's another blurb from DraftExpress concerning his measurements:


-There are not too many ideal comparisons for Thomas Robinson (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Thomas-Robinson-5496/) (6'7.75 without shoes, 7'3.25 wingspan, 244 pounds) we can find physically, as his +7.5 wingspan differential makes him as long as a player like Jason Maxiell (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jason-Maxiell-419/), but only half an inch shorter than a David West (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/David-West-4823/). In many ways, Robinson finds a middle ground among elite power forward prospects, especially when you take his 244 pound frame and 5 percent body fat into consideration.

Compared to the average power forward in our database (http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=avepos&year=All), Robinson is slightly taller, heavier, and has a wingspan nearly 3 inches longer than the norm. Given the season he had and his presence on the boards, it seems safe to say that questions about Robinson's size are unfounded.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz1xGhxGn5K

Now if its a question of his fit with the team or what his potential may be compared to other prospects, thats still up for debate. I've been 100% in the Robinson camp since the end of the NCAA tourney as the consolation prize if we were screwed out of Davis. Nothing has convinced me to go for anyone else at this point, unless MKG has a sudden 6 inch growth spurt.

Also, I see an eery comparison to a PF from the 80s who wasn't drafted until the 13th pick due to doubts about how his game would translate to the league.

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6451/070755karlmalone.jpg
http://www.statesman.com/multimedia/dynamic/01364/thomasdrive_1364141c.jpg

Malone was listed at 6'9", 250 pounds, and averaged 18.7 points and 9.3 rebounds in college.
Robinson is listed at 6'9", 244 pounds, and averaged 17.7 points and 11.8 rebounds the year he actually played.

Neither one really blocked shots that well, but I think Robinson could actually develop this aspect with more game experience and teaching him timing and how to use his athleticism.

Both are known as workout warriors, with incredible drive and focus, and both seem like generally low maintenance type of players.


Built more like a tight end than a basketball player, his size and strength made him difficult to defend in the low block, but he also filled the lane on the fast break and shot a deadly medium-range jumper.This is a quote about Malone, but it could eventually describe Robinson. He doesn't quite have the deadly medium range jumper yet, but he has a nice touch and once he develops it and polishes his post game, why couldn't he develop a Malone-ish offensive game, with further range and more athleticism?

I don't see a peak or ceiling to his game as some of his critics bring up. He just started getting playing time this year, and he turned it into an All-American year and a championship game appearance with mostly his athleticism and a raw, still developing game. He is a fluid athlete with good mechanics, and with his work ethic and good basketball instincts already, I don't see what limits there are on his game.

Malone only averaged 14.9 points and 8.9 rebounds his rookie year, which are realistic numbers for Robinson next year. Once Malone figured it out, he exploded to 27.7, 29.7, and 31.0 PPG his 3-5 years. I'm not saying Robinson is as skilled or will turn into such an offensive machine, but their similar profiles coming out of college are something to look at.

I mean, after all these years of getting screwed as a fan of this team, don't we deserve to get a future hall of famer like Malone? We're due, right??

[Veteran_Picksetter]

QC,

I was thinking about the same Karl Malone comparison today. Yeah, it's about time a future hall of famer came our way.

Obviously T-Rob will need to work on his offensive skills. You make a good point that he didn't play a whole lot until this year, his junior season.

We'll never know what the Mailman's length was for a full-on comparison. But physically I see T-Rob as somewhere between Malone and the shorter, athletic, pre-injury Larry Johnson. That's not a bad place to be.

As far as the shot-blocking and low post defense, I wonder if Robinson layed off players some in order to avoid fouling out. Seems like he should have collected a few more swats on the collegiate level.

Imagine when T-Rob's 27 and he has REALLY filled out. Could be scary.

[WAM9]

My brother and I have been talking about the Karl Malone Comparison for a few days now.

Completely reasonable.

[anton273]

I think I'm getting sold on T Rob!!! Looks like a few of us are aswell!

I have seen interviews but when does camp practice videos come out?

[Potato]

I want T-Rob too but it doesn't sound like we have much interest in him

[WAM9]

I want T-Rob too but it doesn't sound like we have much interest in him

Patience.....

[BlockParty]

Malone was listed at 6'9", 250 pounds, and averaged 18.7 points and 9.3 rebounds in college.
Robinson is listed at 6'9", 244 pounds, and averaged 17.7 points and 11.8 rebounds the year he actually played.


Nice research as always QC. I dare say Robinson's stats at Kansas while nearly identical to Malone's stats at Louisiana Tech are impressive, they are even more impressive when you compare Kansas' schedule and level of competition vs Louisiana Tech. Robinson might have gone for 30 ppg and 20 reb in Malone's situation/competition level.

Another thing about Robison...5% body fat....wow-combine that with NBA conditioning, he'll be like GW and Felton in the past never wanting to come off the court.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Nice research as always QC. I dare say Robinson's stats at Kansas while nearly identical to Malone's stats at Louisiana Tech are impressive, they are even more impressive when you compare Kansas' schedule and level of competition vs Louisiana Tech. Robinson might have gone for 30 ppg and 20 reb in Malone's situation/competition level.

Another thing about Robison...5% body fat....wow-combine that with NBA conditioning, he'll be like GW and Felton in the past never wanting to come off the court.

It's a little tricky comparing college stats though, especially from different eras. Malone played during a time when there were no shot clocks in nonconference play, and only some conferences used shot clocks for league match ups. And some of the leagues used long 45-second clocks. So his stats might have been lessened by slower pace.

Also, he probably played a ton of games with no 3-point shots in effect, so defenses could pack it in on him. Hard to tell....

[Ghost Kat]

The government is planning on shutting down the post office so I guess robinson would be the E-mail Man

[BrotherDave]

I can't believe you guys are seriously comparing Robinson with Karl Malone.

[dnbman]

I can't believe you guys are seriously comparing Robinson with Karl Malone.

As prospects, they compare pretty favorably. Obviously, Malone is one of the greatest of all time, but it's worth imagining what Robinson could be. As TQ mentioned, Malone had questions coming out also.

[BrotherDave]

Malone had a post game whereas Robinson wants to fall in love with his mediocre jumpshot.

[Mustachio]

Malone had a post game whereas Robinson wants to fall in love with his mediocre jumpshot.

Did you watch a lot of lousiana tech basketball in the 80s?... im gonna say probably not since no one did. I think you may be projecting nba karl against college junior Robinson. Bottom line, post game or no, they had very similar body types and very similar college stats. Even if you are correct and watched every college game and he did have a developed post game; he didnt do much more with it against lesser competition than trob did without a developed post game against much tougher teams.

Karl obviously went on to be an nba superstar, but as college prospects it is very reasonable to compare the two.

[Jennings]

I really like this guy. I just hope we don't pass on him and he turns out to be a great player. Adding fuel to everyone's fire against the Bobcats. We just have to trust in Cho! Fa sho!

[westbrook08]

I posted a week ago that he reminds me of malone. And brother dave, how much of karl malone did you watch? because for as rugged as he was, he made a living coming off pick and rolls from stockton and nailing open 15 footers on the wing.I think there's alot to compare between their games coming out of college.

[gamecocksmitty4]

In my dream world, we get TRob and Henson (obviously he's not falling to 31, but packaging the pick with DJA and something else could move us up there). That would potentially set up the front court for the next decade. Mullens, Biyombo, Henson, TRob. So many different things you can do with those four considering that Mullens, Biyombo, and Henson could all potentially play either the 4 or 5. Then you set yourself up with Kemba as the PG of the future (I think he will be really good once he gets some work on his game), Hendo as potential trade bait/possible starter/future 6 man. That leaves the 3 spot open for a potential superstar.

Kemba/???
Hendo/???
???
TRob/Mullens
Biyombo/Henson

[CrazyCarl139]

I'm getting sold on T-Rob.

I think they move the pick though...

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

For me its TROB or drummond.....trob is the safe pick at 6 foot 9 with a 7 foot 3 wingspan he can no doubt play the PF position....Drummond is a huge gamble with a high reward....I just hope we dont move this pick for rudy gay

[polarcat]

I know I'm late to the party, but wanted to chime in my 2 pennies on TRob. I believe he needs to be our pick at 2 and after re-watching several videos (especially the ESPN one on his family's passing), this guy has "it". He might not be a franchise guy like a Durant, Wade, Duncan, etc., but I can see a player that is the kind that every great team needs and will be at worst a #2 threat on a starting squad. I totally get the Malone comparison and for all of the height naysayers, players like Boozer, Love, Milsap, Lee, Brand, etc. have had All-Star caliber careers, so I don't get the hang-up. Also, Biyombo will be only 20 years old at the end of the summer, so if you read that Bismack grew an inch or so to say 6'10" or 6'10 3/4", would that ease your pain of having an almost 6'9" PF? I know I'm not saying anything that hasn't already been said on this board, but for those that haven't watched the ESPN video regarding the passing of his grandparents and mother within 25 days of each other, you should. Robinson is ready for whatever life throws at him, and IMO, he possesses the greatest chance of handling it and making it his bitch. His passion and drive far exceed the normal love of the game and his intentions are rooted deeply in family and that he has a responsibility much higher than most draftees to succeed. Add to that the chip that he has on his shoulder already for not being considered the #1 and I think we have the exact player that a franchise in our dismal situation needs. Honestly, as much as I loathe ESPN, the only player in college b-ball that I heard and saw more highlights of than AD this past year was Thomas Robinson. H2H in the championship game, Robinson outplayed AD (6pts/16rbs) and MKG (11pts/6rbs) and dropped 18pts and 17 rebounds. I know it's one game, and UK is much deeper and the stats get spread, but just using the stats as evidence of the biggest game of the year, and how well Robinson took ownership of the game.

/end rant :)

[SJackson1]

i hope we don't trade the pick becasue i think we should pick Robinson and we will get a decent player for the 31st pick

[BrotherDave]

Did you watch a lot of lousiana tech basketball in the 80s?... im gonna say probably not since no one did. I think you may be projecting nba karl against college junior Robinson. Bottom line, post game or no, they had very similar body types and very similar college stats. Even if you are correct and watched every college game and he did have a developed post game; he didnt do much more with it against lesser competition than trob did without a developed post game against much tougher teams.

Karl obviously went on to be an nba superstar, but as college prospects it is very reasonable to compare the two.
I'm not that old but as a general rule big men were much more likely to have a post game b/c if you were any tall at all you were practically restricted from learning guard skills. It wasn't until the Euro explosion when it became en vogue for big man to have face-up games. Regardless, I wouldn't even bother comparing players from such different eras. Too much time has passed for it to be anything more than romantic.

I posted a week ago that he reminds me of malone. And brother dave, how much of karl malone did you watch? because for as rugged as he was, he made a living coming off pick and rolls from stockton and nailing open 15 footers on the wing.I think there's alot to compare between their games coming out of college.
I grew up idolizing him as my favorite non-Hornet and modeled much of my game after him. He didn't become one of the best PFs of all time simply b/c of the P&R. You can't just run P&R all day and win games, some teams can actually defend it. Much of Utah's success was predicated on Malone drawing double teams and kicking it out to shooters like Hornacek and Russel.

[CharlotteHornets]

I like Robinson a lot and will be interested to see some of the vertical jump #'s and other stats from the combine...if Robinson has a 35+ vertical I think that may lock him in!

[DashGlobal]

I like Robinson a lot and will be interested to see some of the vertical jump #'s and other stats from the combine...if Robinson has a 35+ vertical I think that may lock him in!

Robinson is all ready a lock IF we keep the 2nd pick.

[CharlotteHornets]

Robinson is all ready a lock IF we keep the 2nd pick.

I would like to think so...but I am not quite sold on that yet.

[DashGlobal]

I would like to think so...but I am not quite sold on that yet.

Trust me.

With his college dominance and athleticism he is a lock at number 2. Too many question marks with Beal, MKG, and Drummond.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Too many question marks with Beal, MKG, and Drummond.

I agree with this. Robinson answered his glaring question mark with the measurements. At worst, this guy will average a low double-double in the NBA.

Hopefully the Bobcats see it the way we do.

Draft T-Rob or trade down for two good pieces.

[Potato]

T-Rob needs to be the pick, simple as that

[DashGlobal]

T-Rob needs to be the pick, simple as that

If we stay at 2 yes, but im hoping we can get 1-3 more 1st round picks with this draft being so deep!

[Twan's Kin]

Will Robinson put on a lot more muscle in the NBA? Or is he maxed-out in adding more bulk to his upper frame?

[BrotherDave]

Will Robinson put on a lot more muscle in the NBA? Or is he maxed-out in adding more bulk to his upper frame?

I don't think he's maxed out but I don't see a reason for him to put more on, at least not to his upper frame. If he needs to bulk up anywhere it would be his lower body so he can hold his position in the post better against bigger opponents and gobble up boards like K-Love.

[SWedd523]

If anybody doesn't need to put on muscle, it's this guy:

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/001/721/640/142349617_crop_650x440.jpg?1338325594

[WAM9]

If anybody doesn't need to put on muscle, it's this guy:

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/001/721/640/142349617_crop_650x440.jpg?1338325594

I've heard of micro-analyzing this but who could possibly be asking about Robinson adding more muscle...except Bonnell :)

[spectre]

Saw on another site that Chad Ford is saying that we're trying to get Robinson in on around the 18-20. Think it's in 'insider'.

[Black]

Saw on another site that Chad Ford is saying that we're trying to get Robinson in on around the 18-20. Think it's in 'insider'.

Good to hear.

[dnbman]

Succinct if nothing new:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1217645-thomas-robinson-why-kansas-star-deserves-to-be-no-2-overall-pick-in-nba-draft

[superb1]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog/_/name/nba_draft/id/8036913/nba-wrapping-nba-draft-combine

Robinson has just two workouts scheduled. He'll be in Washington on Wednesday and is in the process of finalizing a date in Charlotte on either the 18th or 20th. Depending on how those two workouts go, it's possible Robinson could add other dates later.

The question is will he be drafted at No. 2? We've had Michael Kidd-Gilchrist as the No. 2 pick for the past few weeks. Sources say the Bobcats still haven't decided and are seriously considering trading the No. 2 pick to get multiple picks back. However, Robinson is very seriously in the mix, and I'm told right now that Michael Jordan isn't sold on Kidd-Gilchrist.

[DashGlobal]

Keep the number 2 pick and buy NO's number 10 pick. Then use a player or future draft pick to get a mid first.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Will Robinson put on a lot more muscle in the NBA? Or is he maxed-out in adding more bulk to his upper frame?


The scary thing is that he will naturally get "broader", because that's just how 20-something men tend to develop. No need for him actively increase his muscle size, though.

What he needs to add is more of a low post game. And continued refinement on his outside shot.

[Potato]

Thomas Robinson has to be the pick. I'm so scared we're gonna f this up

[CharlotteHornets]

No step vertical of 28.5" makes me a little nervous...I am now all for trading the #2 Pick

[Ghost Kat]

Sad thing about these measurement and other stats is it doesn't tell you how well they box out. Dennis Rodman couldnt jump for shit but we all know what he did. As a rookie i'll be happy if Robinson can play at a Brandon Bass level

[Plowright]

Hey Kat! where you been!?

[Veteran_Picksetter]

No step vertical of 28.5" makes me a little nervous...I am now all for trading the #2 Pick

Makes me a little nervous too, and along with his so-so standing reach, it helps explain why he's not a supreme shotblocker.

HOWEVER, according to draftexpress, he was the second-faster sprinter at the combine, and faster than every point guard there.

Bottom line is, he's guaranteed to out-muscle for position and rebound. And he's gonna get out on the break and get some nice dunks for ya. He's gonna run some nice pick-and-roll/pop. Is that enough for the number 2 pick??

[Scrapper1]

All of these players have question marks in certain areas.. including Davis. I believe Robinson and Gilchrist will surpass Davis..and it will be between those two who Charlotte selects. I like both.. check out what Chad Ford of ESPN reported from the draft combine:

"Much like the situation with Williams last year, NBA scouts have been wondering for months whether Robinson was big enough to play the 4 in the NBA. Robinson’s measurements strongly helped his cause as an NBA 4 man. He measured nearly 6-foot-9 with an impressive 7-3 1/4 wingspan and 8-10 standing reach. Those wingspan and standing reach measurements (the two measurements NBA teams really care about) put him on par with both Blake Griffin and Kevin Love, two NBA all-star power forwards. Ditto for his 35 1/2-inch vertical"

damn... thats some great company to be in..

[bes628]

standing vert is 28.5, but max is 35.5. So I think he will be fine.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

standing vert is 28.5, but max is 35.5. So I think he will be fine.

He'll benefit from a run and gun system. His atheticism seems to be more in his stride than his 2-footed leap. Might help him on the pick-and-roll too.

What's important now is how quick his reaction time is. How quickly does he get up there to go after a shot?? How quickly does he anticipate? That's harder to measure....

[Ghost Kat]

Hey Kat! where you been!?

Been a rough couple monthes, But i'm trying to make the best of it.

[Mustachio]

I think his standing vert is more or less just bad form. Either way it doesn't give me even a seconds pause. Robinson gets boards, lots of em. Next time we need a guy to stand with his feet together and get a board, we will just let Biz do it.

Robinson is the only real option at 2. He's a better prospect than MKG on every single level.