The Official Bradley Beal Thread

[SWedd523]

This is the place to discuss Bradley Beal. Post up your Youtube videos, news articles, and fantasies!

[SWedd523]

Brad Beal is a 6'4" Freshman SG from the University of Florida

http://www.gatorcountry.com/images/uploads/basketball/BealBrad_111012_1265_TCasey.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI5TVCJuY3s

[Chef]

is james harden a good comp for beal?

[SWedd523]

is james harden a good comp for beal?

To me, not really. He's closer to Eric Gordon.

[Chef]

To me, not really. He's closer to Eric Gordon.

he has to be third on the big board at this point right?

well, i guess it depends on your take on mkg and t. robinson. neither of which i want with a top 3 pick.

[SWedd523]

Assuming he measures well (and I think he will), I wouldn't be mad it we took him second. I still think Lamb has more potential and better overall talent, but that's a different discussion.

[Plowright]

Chad Ford and Givony are really high on Beal. They say more potential than Eric Gordon. Plus he is one of the best rebounding guards around. I like him a lot

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

i think id prefer beal over lamb...what do you guys think?

[anton273]

I've not payed much attention to Beal... so can you tell me why he is better than Lamb in your opinion?

[Plowright]

Lamb apparantly has some chemisty issues and has in game sulks. Also Lamb is built like a twig right now. Lamb struggles to get to the FT line (3.5), Beal gets to the line 5 times a game. Also Beal lead the NCAA in rebounds this year for guards and topped 10 a game reguarly, with 1.5 pg of those being offensive. Thats everything i know. Chad Ford and Givony have Beal over Lamb aswell but im not sure why, they haven't said why

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

Lately i've seen and read more about Brad Beal...Eric Gordon is one of my favorite players and they got real similar game id easily prefer brad beal over hendo if we dont get the #1 pick i'd love to some how get Beal....Guy is gonna be the best SG in this draft class...

[Whiz Kid]

If he gets his expected shooting stroke back this guy can be dangerous.

[Kemba2Hendo]

is james harden a good comp for beal?

Think Eric Gordon meets Ray Allen.

[gamecocksmitty4]

Think Eric Gordon meets Ray Allen.

Allen is a 40% 3 point shooter in the NBA and holds the record for 3 pointers made. Beal is a 34% 3 point shooter in college. The two are nothing alike. A poor man's Eric Gordon is a decent comparison. I still see a slightly better shooting Gerald Henderson.

[SWedd523]

I don't understand why you think Beal will only be a slightly better shooting Henderson. Beal has elite range and shooting ability

[Kemba2Hendo]

Allen is a 40% 3 point shooter in the NBA and holds the record for 3 pointers made. Beal is a 34% 3 point shooter in college. The two are nothing alike. A poor man's Eric Gordon is a decent comparison. I still see a slightly better shooting Gerald Henderson.

He shot a low percentage from 3 this year but that is not who he is, he is who I suggested.

[Kemba2Hendo]

I don't understand why you think Beal will only be a slightly better shooting Henderson. Beal has elite range and shooting ability

I love Hendo but I'd take Beal over him in a second, I hope we take Beal if we get the #2 pick as I think he would be the BPA.

[gamecocksmitty4]

Can I ask a question? What makes Beal more of a "scorer" than John Jenkins? Jenkins was more efficient in each of his three seasons at Vandy. He was the number 1 option his junior season and was still more efficient. Taking 13.1 shots per game (2.5 more than Beal) he connected on 47.4% (compared to Beal's 44.5%). He also shot an incredible 44% from behind the arc with a ridiculous 8.7 3-pointers attempted per game (compared to Beal's 33.9% on 5.0 per game). Not to mention that Jenkins already has one of the deadliest crossovers that I've ever seen which he uses frequently to set up his shot. Jenkins is outstanding at creating his own shot and, as noted by his 47.4% from the field, knocks them down consistently. The only advantage Beal has over Jenkins is his defense. If that's the case, why not use the combo of Jenkins and Henderson? I think Jenkins is the most underrated player in the draft this year. IMO, he should be a top 3 pick, probably second right after Davis. I really, truly believe that Jenkins has star potential in the NBA.

For comparison's sake, these are the averages in their two head-to-head matchups. I didn't see either one (I'm going to try to find the video) but I assume they guarded one another:

Beal: 16 pts, 47.8%, 37.5 3-pt % (3-8 ), 6 rebs, 1.5 ast, 1.0 blk, 2.5 stl, 2.5 pfs, 1.5 to
Jenkins: 18.5 pts, 52.2%, 52.9 3-pt % (9-17) 2 rebs, 1.5 ast, 0.5 blk, 1.0 stl, 1.5 pfs, 1.5 to

[dnbman]

Can I ask a question? What makes Beal more of a "scorer" than John Jenkins? Jenkins was more efficient in each of his three seasons at Vandy. He was the number 1 option his junior season and was still more efficient. Taking 13.1 shots per game (2.5 more than Beal) he connected on 47.4% (compared to Beal's 44.5%). He also shot an incredible 44% from behind the arc with a ridiculous 8.7 3-pointers attempted per game (compared to Beal's 33.9% on 5.0 per game). Not to mention that Jenkins already has one of the deadliest crossovers that I've ever seen which he uses frequently to set up his shot. Jenkins is outstanding at creating his own shot and, as noted by his 47.4% from the field, knocks them down consistently. The only advantage Beal has over Jenkins is his defense. If that's the case, why not use the combo of Jenkins and Henderson? I think Jenkins is the most underrated player in the draft this year. IMO, he should be a top 3 pick, probably second right after Davis. I really, truly believe that Jenkins has star potential in the NBA.

For comparison's sake, these are the averages in their two head-to-head matchups. I didn't see either one (I'm going to try to find the video) but I assume they guarded one another:

Beal: 16 pts, 47.8%, 37.5 3-pt % (3-8 ), 6 rebs, 1.5 ast, 1.0 blk, 2.5 stl, 2.5 pfs, 1.5 to
Jenkins: 18.5 pts, 52.2%, 52.9 3-pt % (9-17) 2 rebs, 1.5 ast, 0.5 blk, 1.0 stl, 1.5 pfs, 1.5 to

I have no horse in the race, as I don't follow college ball. However, I know enough to know that stats don't tell the whole story. Otherwise, Redick would have been a top three pick and annual all-star.

The knock on Jenkins seems to be athleticism and that he doesn't contribute much aside from shooting. In many ways, he sounds like Steve Kerr, who I wouldn't want to take in the first round.

In some cases, guys get judged unfairly. But many sites seem to have concerns about his athleticism and be able to contribute more than spot up shooting. What say you to that?

[SWedd523]

Jenkins is a pure shooter and doesn't really bring much else to the table. He isn't a strong ball handler, average athlete with a small frame, weak defender, and poor rebounder. Beal, while not quite as good a sniper as Jenkins, is much closer in that aspect than Jenkins is to him in literally every other facet of the game.

Jenkins should be a top 3 pick? Are you related to him?

[dnbman]

It can be pretty hard to figure out what translates well in the NBA, especially if you've been wowed by a player. I remember local sports talking about Devan Downey as a possible lottery pick, and I don't even think the guy was in the draft discussion.

[Plowright]

Jenkins can shoot, that is an elite skill so thats great. What else can he do, nothing... he averaged like 1 assist per game, can defend, cant drive it, cant handle the ball. He is totally 1 dimensional

[gamecocksmitty4]

Sigh. Why is it impossible to share an opinion on a message board? Just because my opinion differs from yours doesn't mean that I am a homer or "related to him". My opinion is that Jenkins' game will transition well to the NBA. MUCH MUCH better than JJ Redick's. People look at his stats and assume that he is strictly a 3-point specialist and not a good athlete. Unfortunately, his tape says otherwise. I already provided some evidence as to why I think he will do well in the NBA. One reason is his ability to create his own shot. His crossover is ridiculous. Also, his shooting form is similar to Ray Allen's, which he can get off from anywhere.

I find it funny that people consider Barnes a top 5 prospect (although he has fallen to as low as top 10 recently in some mocks) because of his ability to hit threes. Fact is, he's only an above average 3-point shooter in college. Jenkins has been one of the best snipers for the last three years but because he doesn't play in Chapel Hill people will be quick to say he's "only a shooter". Well, what can Barnes do better than Jenkins (other than be 4 inches taller)? Absolutely nothing. In fact, Jenkins is better at EVERYTHING than Barnes except maybe slightly defense (and he's better on D than people give him credit for). The biggest knock on Barnes is his inability to create his own shot and his GOD-AWFUL ball handling. Yet, he's still considered a lottery pick because he's supposedly a good spot-up shooter. Now explain that logic. Jenkins does everything that Barnes can't do, yet he's considered a possible second round pick? You can't tell me that 4 inches (at different positions) is the difference between a top 3 pick and a possible second round pick. I didn't say he will be a top 3 pick. I said he should be. That's my opinion. Just because you have a different one doesn't mean I'm stupid. Try using facts and your own observations to formulate an opinion rather than saying "well a website said he's not super athletic and he shoots (and makes) a lot of threes so he must be the same as JJ Redick" or something similar.

[dnbman]

Sigh. Why is it impossible to share an opinion on a message board? Just because my opinion differs from yours doesn't mean that I am a homer or "related to him". My opinion is that Jenkins' game will transition well to the NBA. MUCH MUCH better than JJ Redick's. People look at his stats and assume that he is strictly a 3-point specialist and not a good athlete. Unfortunately, his tape says otherwise. I already provided some evidence as to why I think he will do well in the NBA. One reason is his ability to create his own shot. His crossover is ridiculous. Also, his shooting form is similar to Ray Allen's, which he can get off from anywhere.

No disrespect. I didn't mean to say that you were a homer. However, I haven't seen a draft site list him high yet and the ones I've seen all mention his lack of athleticism and skills other than shooting. You seem to be in a pretty small minority with your opinion.

I've seen a couple of Gamecocks that look like they could blow by anybody with their crossovers, but that doesn't mean they'd be good NBA prospects, which is why I mentioned Downey, who some thought would be another AI.

[ohara831]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/220522/Bradley_Beals_Catch_And_Shoot_Ability_Draws_Compar ison_To_Ray_Allen

This kid has to be considered a strong candidate for #2 if we dont get Davis at #1.

[SWedd523]

Sigh. Why is it impossible to share an opinion on a message board? Just because my opinion differs from yours doesn't mean that I am a homer or "related to him". My opinion is that Jenkins' game will transition well to the NBA. MUCH MUCH better than JJ Redick's. People look at his stats and assume that he is strictly a 3-point specialist and not a good athlete. Unfortunately, his tape says otherwise. I already provided some evidence as to why I think he will do well in the NBA. One reason is his ability to create his own shot. His crossover is ridiculous. Also, his shooting form is similar to Ray Allen's, which he can get off from anywhere.

I've been a fan of Jenkins ever since his freshman year, so it's not like I'm against him. I've long advocated for picking him up in the draft but you seem to be seeing things in his game that simply aren't there. Jenkins is nothing more than a fantastic long range shooter.

I have watched at least 25 of his games (3 in person at CLA) and have seen nothing about his game that projects to anything more than a floor spacing option off the bench. He is an average athlete (by NCAA standards), has a weak body and small frame, and is a poor defender, rebounder, and passer. His first step is average and will have a difficult time beating his man off the dribble and finishing at the rim.

Nearly two thirds (8.7/13.1) of his FG attempts are from long range. If he had such a "ridiculous crossover", I'd expect him to get into the lane more often. By comparison, Austin Rivers DOES has a killer crossover and utilizes that by getting into the lane at will.



I find it funny that people consider Barnes a top 5 prospect (although he has fallen to as low as top 10 recently in some mocks) because of his ability to hit threes. Fact is, he's only an above average 3-point shooter in college. Jenkins has been one of the best snipers for the last three years but because he doesn't play in Chapel Hill people will be quick to say he's "only a shooter". Well, what can Barnes do better than Jenkins (other than be 4 inches taller)? Absolutely nothing. In fact, Jenkins is better at EVERYTHING than Barnes except maybe slightly defense (and he's better on D than people give him credit for).You're far overrating Jenkins' ability on the defensive end. Jenkins has the worst DRtg on his team among players receiving at least 10 minutes per game (9 players). In other words, he's a bad defender. On the other hand, Barnes has the fourth highest DRtg on his team among players receiving at least 10 minutes (8 players).

Also, despite Barnes being average in just about every facet of the game other than shooting, he still managed to have a much higher TRB% than Jenkins (9.0 to 5.1) despite playing with two guys who averaged 10 per game. He also had a higher AST%, albeit slightly so at 8.4 to 8.2 despite playing with a much more ball dominant PG in Kendall Marshall (45.1 AST% to Tinsley's 29.9).

I agree with you though that Barnes is considered a high lottery pick largely due to the hype he received coming out of high school. He hasn't shown anything to make him worth being a lottery pick, but you have to keep in mind that people are projecting what he can do in the NBA, not what he has done at the NCAA level.


I didn't say he will be a top 3 pick. I said he should be. That's my opinion. Just because you have a different one doesn't mean I'm stupid.I never called you stupid. But I guarantee there is not a single levelheaded person who would agree with you that he should be a top 3 pick.


Try using facts and your own observations to formulate an opinion rather than saying "well a website said he's not super athletic and he shoots (and makes) a lot of threes so he must be the same as JJ Redick" or something similar.I hope I used enough facts and anecdotal evidence for you this time.

p.s. there's absolutely nothing wrong with being the same as JJ Redick. He's a fantastic bench/fringe starter than just about any team would love to have.

[Plowright]

We May clash on some just things Swedd but you have just typed everything i couldn't be bothered to so thank you for that :D

[Potato]

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/3692240/141085604_extra_large.jpg

This is my guy if we don't get the first overall pick. Let's be real, we need scoring terribly and this guy is the most creative scorer in the draft. He can create his own shot and has mad range. He was a bit inconsistent at Florida this year, one game he would be hot and the next he would be cold but the kid was 19 years old and has a lot to learn. This guy is gonna finish with a career average of over 20 points, that's a guarantee and he has the skills to run the point.

It's still a mystery as to how tall Beal is whether it's 6'3" or 6'4" he's a bit undersized for your prototypical NBA 2 but I'm not too worried about it honestly. I fell in love with this guy when he scored 20 points in the SEC tournament almost leading the Gators past the best team in the nation, Kentucky. He really emerged as Florida's go-to guy by the NCAA tournament. He still has a lot to learn but I saw a lot of improvement from Beal the lone season he played at Florida and he still has a lot of improving to do.

I know, Hendo was arguably our best player last year and he plays the 2... that's a problem but I'm still not positive Hendo is starter worthy. He seems to me to be your prototypical 6th man in the NBA while Beal can be a go-to scorer for years to come. This is my guy if we lose out on Davis. I'll be fine with MKG too, but I'd prefer Beal.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOPu1bFBUaQ

Btw, if we already have a Beal thread just move this.

[dav7z]

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/3692240/141085604_extra_large.jpg

This is my guy if we don't get the first overall pick. Let's be real, we need scoring terribly and this guy is the most creative scorer in the draft. He can create his own shot and has mad range. He was a bit inconsistent at Florida this year, one game he would be hot and the next he would be cold but the kid was 19 years old and has a lot to learn. This guy is gonna finish with a career average of over 20 points, that's a guarantee and he has the skills to run the point.

It's still a mystery as to how tall Beal is whether it's 6'3" or 6'4" he's a bit undersized for your prototypical NBA 2 but I'm not too worried about it honestly. I fell in love with this guy when he scored 20 points in the SEC tournament almost leading the Gators past the best team in the nation, Kentucky. He really emerged as Florida's go-to guy by the NCAA tournament. He still has a lot to learn but I saw a lot of improvement from Beal the lone season he played at Florida and he still has a lot of improving to do.

I know, Hendo was arguably our best player last year and he plays the 2... that's a problem but I'm still not positive Hendo is starter worthy. He seems to me to be your prototypical 6th man in the NBA while Beal can be a go-to scorer for years to come. This is my guy if we lose out on Davis. I'll be fine with MKG too, but I'd prefer Beal.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOPu1bFBUaQ

Btw, if we already have a Beal thread just move this.

Ill say this any one who takes Beal top 3 will be disapointed big time . Hes not even the best 2 guard in this draft .
He a little small, little slow , handle needs a little work , A his long range game has to inprove. At 6.3 that doesn't exactly spell all star .
http://nbadraft.net/players/bradley-beal
Hes just a poor mans Hendo .
Ross projected much futher back has just as much ability if not more. Rivers and Lame may have more.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

i got beal #2 on my draft board now....cooling a little on MKG

[SJackson1]

great scorer, we are spolit for choice in this draft !

[Demon DeaCat]

Sigh. Why is it impossible to share an opinion on a message board? Just because my opinion differs from yours doesn't mean that I am a homer or "related to him".

Amen to that. Definitely a highly annoying aspect of this and all message boards. But back to the topic at hand, I haven't seen enough of Jenkins to have a strong opinion one way or the other, but I have cooled considerably on Beal. His shooting percentage is very troubling to me. 34% is what it is. I know he has the rep, but you can't be considered an elite shooter shooting that percentage from distance.

[DashGlobal]

any good clips that showcase Beal's handle?

i havent really watched any games of his to know how good of a handle he has.

[SWedd523]

Don't have any clips.

But I know from the 10 or so games I saw on TV, and the one time I watched him in person when UF came to Columbia, I know he's more than capable of being a secondary ball handler. Is he Wade? No. But he (and Lamb) is/are good enough to initiate the offense and allow Kemba to play off the ball a little bit

[SJackson1]

i think the Bobcats need a seondary ball handlerto take the pressure off kemba

[DashGlobal]

Don't have any clips.

But I know from the 10 or so games I saw on TV, and the one time I watched him in person when UF came to Columbia, I know he's more than capable of being a secondary ball handler. Is he Wade? No. But he (and Lamb) is/are good enough to initiate the offense and allow Kemba to play off the ball a little bit

More concerned with how well he can break his man down off the dribble and create shots for himself and others.

[akaseinfeld]

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell
Bradley Beal has a workout scheduled with #Bobcats (https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23Bobcats) in next two weeks. Asked what he knows abotu them, he said, "Hardly ever on TV.''

[dnbman]

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell
Bradley Beal has a workout scheduled with #Bobcats (https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23Bobcats) in next two weeks. Asked what he knows abotu them, he said, "Hardly ever on TV.''

Sad face.

"That's where you come in."

[ncstamey]

i think the Bobcats need a seondary ball handlerto take the pressure off kemba


I agree with that

[Potato]

Sad face.

"That's where you come in."

Translation: "Fuck no I don't want to play here."

[dnbman]

Translation: "Fuck no I don't want to play here."

I really don't read it like that. The reality is we're not on TV much. As I said in the other thread, I think most of these guys will be fine to be drafted high and placed in a situation where they can succeed.

[Plowright]

Also I saw a reporter ask him today why do you think you have shot up the board and are so high? He said I don't know and sounded like he was very surprised that he had shot up. It just shows even he knows he shouldn't be up there. I really hope we stay away from him, I would much rather Lamb. Beal just doesn't quite do it for me and kind of irks me

[dnbman]

Bradley Beal said in his interview that he doesn't want to limit himself and be "not just a shooter, like Ray Allen."

Can't wait to see this kid play against Ray Allen next year.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Beal was a big winner in today's draftexpress adjustments on the measurements.

Now he suddenly has an 8'3.75" standing reach in typical shoe soles. That combined with a 6'8" wingspan could be enough to get it done at SG....

[Twan's Kin]

Would y'all be calling for Cho's head if we selected Beal with the 2nd pick?

[spectre]

Would y'all be calling for Cho's head if we selected Beal with the 2nd pick?

Of course not. There's warts all thru 2 thru 5 and no absolute clear choice. I'd much rather Cho make this pick then any of us.

If the pick busts then I'll just blame it on MJ. :biggrin:

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Would y'all be calling for Cho's head if we selected Beal with the 2nd pick?

Not really. And I like Henderson. At least we'd know we were getting some shooting and scoring punch. More than I can say for drafting MKG and Drummond.....

[NotFromAroundHere]

I think Beal is the best player in the draft. Davis is so overrated it isnt even funny. He's serge ibaka with a weaker jump shot. He has 0 post game, hes rail thin. Itll be at least 5 years til he resembles anything like a top pick, and thats if everything goes right.

[gamecocksmitty4]

Beal is a shooter...and he can't shoot (not as well as everyone makes him out to be). He's a scorer...and he doesn't score.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Beal is a shooter...and he can't shoot (not as well as everyone makes him out to be). He's a scorer...and he doesn't score.

Nearly 15 points a game as a freshman, playing against a lot of talented teams.

But the big thing is his offensive efficiency. He averaged 1.39 points per field goal attempt. That's superb for a guard. The Bobcats didn't even have big men who were that efficient on the nba level, much less guards. Corey Maggette was our highest with 1.29 points per shot.

So Beal serves a need.

[dnbman]

Beal's workout is Monday.

Also, Twitter handle: https://twitter.com/#!/RealDealBeal23

[Black]

Bradley Beal ‏@RealDealBeal23
Just touchdown in Charlotte !

10 characters.

[Steelmatic]

Davis is so overrated it isnt even funny. He's serge ibaka with a weaker jump shot. He has 0 post game, hes rail thin. Itll be at least 5 years til he resembles anything like a top pick, and thats if everything goes right.

If only New Orleans would realize this.

[dnbman]

Apparently, Beal is done working out, as his agent feels comfortable that he'll be a top 4 pick. Also, Sorenson said he was stroking it at the workout. (And by "stroking it," I mean jump shots.)

[Black]

I read that Cleveland will take Beal if he is there at four, but the Kings, who pick fifth, are in love with him.

What would you want from either of these teams if they wanted to move up?

[Chef]

I read that Cleveland will take Beal if he is there at four, but the Kings, who pick fifth, are in love with him.

What would you want from either of these teams if they wanted to move up?

if i were management and were not overwhelmed by robinson's or beal's workouts would consider evans and #5 for #2. i would push to keep hendo but if he was absolutely needed i would do it. nothing with cleveland unless i knew robinson would fall to 4. then i would do #2 and #31 for #4 and #24, 33, 34.

[Black]

if i were management and were not overwhelmed by robinson's or beal's workouts would consider evans and #5 for #2. i would push to keep hendo but if he was absolutely needed i would do it. nothing with cleveland unless i knew robinson would fall to 4. then i would do #2 and #31 for #4 and #24, 33, 34.

I agree with you on both points. If we could trade back and somehow still land Robinson, I would be thrilled.

[Freshlete]

This is what I posted in another thread:

"I personally think Beal is the second best player in this draft and has more superstar potential than T Rob. It's a bit unfortunate that our "best" player on our team is a SG in Hendo, but I think we should still draft Beal.

At first, I was a bit hesitant about this plan but the more I think about it the more I am warming up to it. Beal has claimed he wants to be a combo guard (although I really don't know how well he'll do being the primary ball handler because he rarely did that at UF) which will come in handy if we decided to trade DJ. He's not really a facilitator but neither are half the PGs in this league...just look at Russell Westbrook.

SG is clearly his strength. The one thing I would say he needs to work on his shooting off the dribble. But otherwise, he is such a good shooter and has nice form (can't stand watching MGK shoot). He can drive to the basket and finish extremely well at the hoop even in the face of bigs. He did it plenty of times against UK so his height shouldn't be a problem when it comes to that. His height really should only be a problem when it comes to defending. If we decided to go small we might have problems with him guarding bigger SGs and SFs but he is an agile defender. We saw that his height wasn't a problem rebounding. When UF lost their best rebounder to injury, he stepped up big time and was a machine on the boards.

Wouldn't totally be against T Rob just don't like his offensive game. He is a hard worker and works to get in good position but I think he relies (for a lack of a better of term) too much on his motor."

I am a Gator fan so it might be a bit biased but it's probably more informed than most here because I have seen him play a lot. And let's just say I don't like every Gator that comes out. Just a good basketball player and a better kid.

He also had two posterizing dunks this year. Here they are for those of you that haven't seen them:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vC81QmG91o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvphslEAInk

[DashGlobal]

This is what I posted in another thread:

"I personally think Beal is the second best player in this draft and has more superstar potential than T Rob. It's a bit unfortunate that our "best" player on our team is a SG in Hendo, but I think we should still draft Beal.

At first, I was a bit hesitant about this plan but the more I think about it the more I am warming up to it. Beal has claimed he wants to be a combo guard (although I really don't know how well he'll do being the primary ball handler because he rarely did that at UF) which will come in handy if we decided to trade DJ. He's not really a facilitator but neither are half the PGs in this league...just look at Russell Westbrook.

SG is clearly his strength. The one thing I would say he needs to work on his shooting off the dribble. But otherwise, he is such a good shooter and has nice form (can't stand watching MGK shoot). He can drive to the basket and finish extremely well at the hoop even in the face of bigs. He did it plenty of times against UK so his height shouldn't be a problem when it comes to that. His height really should only be a problem when it comes to defending. If we decided to go small we might have problems with him guarding bigger SGs and SFs but he is an agile defender. We saw that his height wasn't a problem rebounding. When UF lost their best rebounder to injury, he stepped up big time and was a machine on the boards.

Wouldn't totally be against T Rob just don't like his offensive game. He is a hard worker and works to get in good position but I think he relies (for a lack of a better of term) too much on his motor."

I am a Gator fan so it might be a bit biased but it's probably more informed than most here because I have seen him play a lot. And let's just say I don't like every Gator that comes out. Just a good basketball player and a better kid.

He also had two posterizing dunks this year. Here they are for those of you that haven't seen them:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vC81QmG91o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvphslEAInk

Why do people continue to say he is such a good shooter when clearly his stats say otherwise?

For the record I think he is better than his numbers last year but until he proves it we cant say otherwise.

Wanna see good shooters look at Lamb and Jenkins.

[Plowright]

Even Diop has a highlight reel... you can't learn anything from those you need to watch the entire games to see the good bad and ugly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcQzOkRXkEY

[dnbman]

Why do people continue to say he is such a good shooter when clearly his stats say otherwise?


Got shot 44.5 percent from the field and 33.9 percent from three point range. Those numbers aren't amazing, but they aren't bad.

Shooting percentages have a lot to do with how the team plays. By all accounts, the guy is a lethal shooter.

You can continue to keep posting rhetorical questions about why people think he's a good shooter, but the bottom line is the guy can stroke it despite having average stats from last year. He was especially good when it counted, shooting well over 50% the last 5 games of the year against quality opponents. In those games he was 12 of 26 from 3, hitting at almost a 50% clip. That and the fact that guy seems to hit just about everything in workouts make people think he's a good shooter.

[Freshlete]

Why do people continue to say he is such a good shooter when clearly his stats say otherwise?

For the record I think he is better than his numbers last year but until he proves it we cant say otherwise.

Wanna see good shooters look at Lamb and Jenkins.

He shot 72% from the field and 43% from the 3 point line in high school.

If people look at stats, especially from one year, to get there information on how people play then you are doing it wrong. Have to watch him play. He has nice form and can stroke it. Dude is a good shooter but just didn't find his groove, for whatever reason, until later in the season.


Even Diop has a highlight reel... you can't learn anything from those you need to watch the entire games to see the good bad and ugly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcQzOkRXkEY

Not sure what this post is in response to but those are dunks are just for entertainment. But it goes to show you he is not afraid to drive with his height. I gave you my insight from watching plenty of games.

[DashGlobal]

Got shot 44.5 percent from the field and 33.9 percent from three point range. Those numbers aren't amazing, but they aren't bad.

Shooting percentages have a lot to do with how the team plays. By all accounts, the guy is a lethal shooter.

You can continue to keep posting rhetorical questions about why people think he's a good shooter, but the bottom line is the guy can stroke it despite having average stats from last year. He was especially good when it counted, shooting well over 50% the last 5 games of the year against quality opponents. In those games he was 12 of 26 from 3, hitting at almost a 50% clip. That and the fact that guy seems to hit just about everything in workouts make people think he's a good shooter.

Never said his numbers were bad, they simple are not GOOD / AMAZING.

Yea his shooting improved towards the end of the year but that doesnt discount his percentages prior.

I actually think he is a good shooter but I am gonna wait until he proves it over a season to be proclaiming anything.

[DashGlobal]

I see a guy with zero post moves and minimal athletic ability getting all his points off of easy dunks created by teammates.

Highlights can tell more than you think sir.....


Even Diop has a highlight reel... you can't learn anything from those you need to watch the entire games to see the good bad and ugly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcQzOkRXkEY

[JamieMcNeill]

I see a guy with zero post moves and minimal athletic ability getting all his points off of easy dunks created by teammates.

Highlights can tell more than you think sir.....

Using this logic one might read 1-10 of your posts (a highlight) and assume you are an overly sarcastic know-it-all with limited basketball knowledge and a complete lack of tact for dealing with other humans (and their posts).

But I guess you're right. Highlights do teach us something.

[DashGlobal]

Using this logic one might read 1-10 of your posts (a highlight) and assume you are an overly sarcastic know-it-all with limited basketball knowledge and a complete lack of tact for dealing with other humans (and their posts).

But I guess you're right. Highlights do teach us something.

Unlike you and other posters I stick to discussing basketball and leave out the personal attacks.

[SJackson1]

how tall did he measure at the combine ?

[Black]

how tall did he measure at the combine ?

6'4.75'' in shoes.

[SJackson1]

6'4.75'' in shoes.

thats not bad but a little short

[Kemba2Hendo]

I have a feeling in a few years we will look back and regret not drafting him.

[spectre]

I have a feeling in a few years we will look back and regret not drafting him.

I'm worrying about that with like 4 guys in this draft. Have to trust Cho, and thank God we now have him instead of just Higgins/Jordan.

[Kemba2Hendo]

I'm worrying about that with like 4 guys in this draft. Have to trust Cho, and thank God we now have him instead of just Higgins/Jordan.

As a fan it is supposed to be fun but this is going to be very nerve wracking haha

[spectre]

All in all, they appear content with the level of talent -- maybe three and a half stars out of four if we're going movie-review style. But no one expects a bevy of future All-Stars. The execs I've spoken with mention Kentucky power forward Anthony Davis and Florida shooting guard Bradley Beal as the only players who seem bound for that status.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/sam_amick/06/25/nba-draft-key-questions-picks-trades/index.html#ixzz1ytpMSxCY

Pretty bold statement by Amick. Has anyone else of significance said that ?

Agree? Disagree?

[Scrapper1]

Starting to think that skipping Beal may come back to bite the Bobcats on the ass...hard. But, what ifs will always be there.. great talent everywhere. Beal and T-Rob has great potential.

[Chef]

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/sam_amick/06/25/nba-draft-key-questions-picks-trades/index.html#ixzz1ytpMSxCY

Pretty bold statement by Amick. Has anyone else of significance said that ?

Agree? Disagree?


i have heard that several times from different folks

[dnbman]

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/sam_amick/06/25/nba-draft-key-questions-picks-trades/index.html#ixzz1ytpMSxCY

Pretty bold statement by Amick. Has anyone else of significance said that ?

Agree? Disagree?


I've heard the same about AD and Barnes, AD and Robinson, and AD and MKG.

It's all speculation. We could all be banging our heads in 10 years for not drafting Feb Melo.

[Pepperz]

AD Barnes Robinson and Beal are the 4 guys that I feel could and will be all stars from this draft.

[Kemba2Hendo]

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/sam_amick/06/25/nba-draft-key-questions-picks-trades/index.html#ixzz1ytpMSxCY

Pretty bold statement by Amick. Has anyone else of significance said that ?

Agree? Disagree?


Strongly agree, also T-Rob has a chance to be solid but will likely never be an All Star.

[SJackson1]

i would take Beal over Barnes !

[adam187]

Strongly agree, also T-Rob has a chance to be solid but will likely never be an All Star.

Oh really? The East All Star roster is weak at forward. The forwards from this past year were Lebron, Carmelo, Bosh, Luol Deng, Iggy, and Paul Pierce. That's 2 locks, one power forward with a weak stat line, and 3 small forwards who are regressing. A few awesome dunks and strong rebounding numbers could easily propel a power forward like Robinson onto the team.

[SJackson1]

i think he will be in a slam dunk contest at some point in his career and that will get him more recognised and also the Bobcats more fame !

[ammofan]

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/sam_amick/06/25/nba-draft-key-questions-picks-trades/index.html#ixzz1ytpMSxCY

Pretty bold statement by Amick. Has anyone else of significance said that ?

Agree? Disagree?


Completely disagree. How can you even say that? Anyone in the draft at this point could be an all star. There are qualities in everyone from Anthony Davis to Austin Rivers to Jared Sullinger that could allow them to be future all stars.

[SJackson1]

no one can say hand on heart who is going to be an all star in this draft

[Bobcatter]

NBAdraft.net was the first major draft site to change Charlotte's pick from TRob to Beal...just did so a few hours ago.

Jay Bilas has Beal as second best available, TRob as fourth.

OKC, Nuggets, and who knows what other teams are attempting to acquire a higher pick for Beal.

I'm starting to think the pick will be Beal unless a trade is made. I wouldn't be disappointed with either scenario.

[Potato]

NBAdraft.net was the first major draft site to change Charlotte's pick from TRob to Beal...just did so a few hours ago.

Jay Bilas has Beal as second best available, TRob as fourth.

OKC, Warriors, and who knows what other teams are attempting to acquire a higher pick for Beal.

I'm starting to think the pick will be Beal unless a trade is made. I wouldn't be disappointed with either scenario.

I agree, if we think Beal is BPA take him. Sure we'll be crowded at SG but that doesn't matter. We need help everywhere.

[Freshlete]

i think he will be in a slam dunk contest at some point in his career and that will get him more recognised and also the Bobcats more fame !

You think who will be in the slam dunk contest? Beal?

[SJackson1]

You think who will be in the slam dunk contest? Beal?

i thought i was posting in the Thomas Robinson thread.....apologies

[SWedd523]

I've gone this whole time without claiming a favorite player for the #2 (other than Lamb, and that isn't going to happen). So now it's time for me to place my allegiance behind one of the popular guys out there. I've probably tipped my hand over the past few weeks with my big boards having him at 1b behind Lamb, but whatevs.


It's Brad Beal.


Sucks that he's become the hype magnet this past week or so because I've been on his train since before the season started and it seemed like I was the only one. When I saw him live in Columbia, I knew he was the guy I really had my eye on. He plays much bigger than he looks and was in command of the floor without having to control the ball too much.

I think he's a perfect match (other than Lamb) for Kemba and this team going forward. He can ably serve as a secondary ball handler, an elite floor spreader, and a tough leader that meshes well with the intense personalities of Bismack and Kemba.


Take Beal at 2, but don't trade him!

[Freshlete]

I've gone this whole time without claiming a favorite player for the #2 (other than Lamb, and that isn't going to happen). So now it's time for me to place my allegiance behind one of the popular guys out there. I've probably tipped my hand over the past few weeks with my big boards having him at 1b behind Lamb, but whatevs.


It's Brad Beal.


Sucks that he's become the hype magnet this past week or so because I've been on his train since before the season started and it seemed like I was the only one. When I saw him live in Columbia, I knew he was the guy I really had my eye on. He plays much bigger than he looks and was in command of the floor without having to control the ball too much.

I think he's a perfect match (other than Lamb) for Kemba and this team going forward. He can ably serve as a secondary ball handler, an elite floor spreader, and a tough leader that meshes well with the intense personalities of Bismack and Kemba.


Take Beal at 2, but don't trade him!

He really does play bigger than his size. All of his strengths like rebounding and attacking the rim wouldn't be something you'd expect from a 6'4"-6'5" SG.

I got attached to him during HS recruiting being a UF fan. I followed Rivers in HS because he originally committed to UF but de-committed and went to Duke. Then I heard that Beal was being recruited by Billy D and could have been a reason Rivers left. Was upset at first when Rivers decided to de-commit but when I saw highlights of Beal in HS and saw him the HS All Star Games, I knew he was the better all around player.

The way he played towards the end of the season and into the tourney really shot him up the boards and what I was waiting for him to do all year. And it doesn't hurt that he is a good kid.

[Kemba2Hendo]

It is Beal's birthday, have a heart Cho!

[ziggy]

I've gone this whole time without claiming a favorite player for the #2 (other than Lamb, and that isn't going to happen). So now it's time for me to place my allegiance behind one of the popular guys out there. I've probably tipped my hand over the past few weeks with my big boards having him at 1b behind Lamb, but whatevs.


It's Brad Beal.


Sucks that he's become the hype magnet this past week or so because I've been on his train since before the season started and it seemed like I was the only one. When I saw him live in Columbia, I knew he was the guy I really had my eye on. He plays much bigger than he looks and was in command of the floor without having to control the ball too much.

I think he's a perfect match (other than Lamb) for Kemba and this team going forward. He can ably serve as a secondary ball handler, an elite floor spreader, and a tough leader that meshes well with the intense personalities of Bismack and Kemba.


Take Beal at 2, but don't trade him!

So we draft Beal, then trade Hendo?

[ohara831]

Yes. Yes we do.

[SJackson1]

alot of people like Beal so there must be something about him which is special if several teams want him

[Plowright]

http://www.iamagm.com/news/2012/06/28/thunder.nuggets.hawks.and.spurs.reportedly.trying. move.draft.bradley.beal?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

If teams like the spurs are moving up to get him I think we should take him, there is obv something about him that is elite. Or, we should trade with them and get back someone like Leonard and something else

[SJackson1]

we should consider offers from other teams but not be too adventerous

[SWedd523]

So we draft Beal, then trade Hendo?
There's the problem.

Drafting Beal gives us a logjam, so we probably need to move somebody. We really need a SF so we need to sign or trade somebody to fill in there. Hendo would have the most trade value of any guy I'd be willing to move, but you aren't sure if Beal will be the real deal or not so you want to hold onto Hendo. If you hold onto Hendo then he's going to be an RFA next year and we're in the same situation as we are with DJ. I would float him out there WITH Tyrus or Diop to see if we can get a vet on a shorter contract, or by himself and try and pick up another mid first round pick because you probably can't risk holding onto him all year.


I think I just confused myself.

[Chef]

There's the problem.

Drafting Beal gives us a logjam, so we probably need to move somebody. We really need a SF so we need to sign or trade somebody to fill in there. Hendo would have the most trade value of any guy I'd be willing to move, but you aren't sure if Beal will be the real deal or not so you want to hold onto Hendo. If you hold onto Hendo then he's going to be an RFA next year and we're in the same situation as we are with DJ. I would float him out there WITH Tyrus or Diop to see if we can get a vet on a shorter contract, or by himself and try and pick up another mid first round pick because you probably can't risk holding onto him all year.


I think I just confused myself.

nobody is taking ty with hendo. he doesn't have that much value. diop will be more valuable at the deadline when teams are trying to get under the cap, so i would probably be inclined to hold on to him.

i suppose the only real trade out there for hendo, where we don't have to take back a really bad contract would be for mid first. i know houston got #18 for budinger, but they made out on that one. hendo is probably worth that so i would guess anywhere between 14-22, to a team who needs a sg but missed on lamb, rivers, etc.

[Plowright]

I am suddenly leaning towards taking Beal at 2, then trading Hendo for a SF

[DashGlobal]

I am suddenly leaning towards taking Beal at 2, then trading Hendo for a SF

I would LOVE to get Beal then trade Hendo for either Harkless, Miller, or White.

Sign me up!

[heelcat]

Amen! This is my dream scenario. Take Beal at #2, trade Hendo + whomever (possibly #31) to get into position to take Harkless. I honestly believe drafting those two would be better in my eyes than getting Anthony Davis. Just my opinion. I feel both are going to be difference makers in the league and Beal is a potential superstar! Why oh why can't I play GM for a day? I am so nervous that we are in position to do this but will miss out on both guys. I hope I am wrong.

[kitch0202]

For me it has become clear that Beal & Robinson are the only players worthy of being picked at 2. There is no chance Beal's available at 4, however there is a chance that Robinson is available at 4.

So ... I'd be inclined to draft Beal at 2 and then only trade with Cleveland if their offer is a good one (24th pick is the absolute minimum) AND Robinson is still there.

I'm not interested in trading with Cleveland if we don't come away with Beal or Robinson. As for the various other trades ... we need to either be ridding ourselves of Tyrus' contract or taking on a quality player in his mid 20s.

[spectre]

For me it has become clear that Beal & Robinson are the only players worthy of being picked at 2. There is no chance Beal's available at 4, however there is a chance that Robinson is available at 4.

So ... I'd be inclined to draft Beal at 2 and then only trade with Cleveland if their offer is a good one (24th pick is the absolute minimum) AND Robinson is still there.

I'm not interested in trading with Cleveland if we don't come away with Beal or Robinson. As for the various other trades ... we need to either be ridding ourselves of Tyrus' contract or taking on a quality player in his mid 20s.

I think this is pretty much where I am, but I'm not locked in. Trust in Cho.