The Official Andre Drummond Thread

[SWedd523]

This is the place to discuss Andre Drummond. Post up your Youtube videos, news articles, and fantasies!

[SWedd523]

Andre Drummond is a 6'11" Freshman C from the University of Connecticut

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/532/256/ad_display_image.jpg?1320696531

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNvdH5Bzz_Y

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How can someone THAT athletic and skilled have such an average statistical season this year? 10 points and 7.6 boards?

Somebody please enlighten me.

[Chef]

How can someone THAT athletic and skilled have such an average statistical season this year? 10 points and 7.6 boards?

Somebody please enlighten me.

college basketball is terrible at getting guys the ball when and where they need it.

[Plowright]

Apparantly he doesnt even look for the ball though, he doesnt even ask for it. If you were that skilled you should be confident and demand the ball

[Chef]

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/ohio-state/greg-oden

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/connecticut/andre-drummond

similar stats. oden a bit better, particularly with rebounds. both get offensive boards at the same rate and block shots roughly on the same rate. drummond only shoots 30% from the FT which is criminal. if he could get to 60% he probably would have avg'd closer to 14 pts per game. the rebounds are concerning because they show hustle and desire at his size. however, i only watched uconn a few times and it seemed to me he wasn't afraid of hustle and work. didn't watch minute for minute (i know there are some unconn fans around here who could probably lend some great opinions) but i wonder if opposing teams didn't try to go small ball and pull him away from the rim when they were on offense. it doesn't make a whole lot of sense that his offensive rebound rate was fairly high while his defensive was pedestrian. if we can get him and don't have #1 pick, i would definitely do it on potential alone.

dream scenario: get #2, trade down with hornets by offering #2 overall and our second for their 2 lottery picks. take drummond.

trade with portland NO's pick, DJ and the portland pick 2013 for NJ's pick and take beal.

edit: not sure if this is even a valid point but...he avg'd 8.5 shots per game and a little over 3.5 offensive rebounds. if 50-55% of his offensive rebounds were putback shot attempts that means he really only got between 5.5-6.75 shots per game on "touches". this is criminal considering he is the premier big man in the country. part of this could be heart/not demanding the ball, part could be freshman adjustments, but either way calhoun has to absolutely require his team to get him involved early and keep him involved.

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The UConn fans for the most part are really down on him. They feel like he didn't have enough of a mean streak ad that he didn't play nearly hard enough this past season

http://the-boneyard.com/threads/andre-drummond.13030/

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I'm trying hard to think of Drummond as a possible backup plan if we don't land Davis, but can any of you convince me that he isn't the next Michael Oliwakandi or the next Stromile Swift?

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

I'm trying hard to think of Drummond as a possible backup plan if we don't land Davis, but can any of you convince me that he isn't the next Michael Oliwakandi or the next Stromile Swift?
i've seen him outpace guards on the fast break don't think anyones been as quick with his size since Karl Malone and he's got the NBA body already, ridiculously explosive, soft touch, decent footwork, something resembling an jump shot

[Pepperz]

To be honest, Ill stay away from this guy in the draft. He did nothing to warrant a look at. If he doesnt have the desire to be great than lets move on and find somebody that would want to. Desire and work ethic play a big part in my view on wanting to build a franchise.

[Plowright]

I jsut don't think we can afford a bust pick right now. This franchise is losing and is already a joke. I just don't know if we can risk the high reward/high risk player in our situation right now

[Chef]

I jsut don't think we can afford a bust pick right now. This franchise is losing and is already a joke. I just don't know if we can risk the high reward/high risk player in our situation right now

i am thinking just the opposite because we are already a joke. we need a star more than anything and a gerald wallace or rudy gay just won't do it.

[GoBobs]

Here is what I think about Drummond. Very high bust potential. He is in fact almost guaranteed to be considered a bust in his rookie year because he is a project. He has a lot of learning to do and the NBA is not an easy place to develop. Watching some of his games this season I had to look for Drummond to find him on the court. Things aren't going to suddenly become easier for him in the NBA. I would say the Bobcats are probably a bad fit because we don't have the patience to work with someone that is a project. We think we do sometimes, but we don't.

Now here is the good part. There is only one player in this draft who has the potential to be a Dwight Howard like dominant NBA center and that is Drummond. He is one of the youngest players in college basketball and is already 250 pounds to go with great speed and mobility. That is pretty hard to pass up because there aren't to many centers like that even if he does have some things to work on.

I think the best plan is to do good evaluations in the interviews. If we get the second or third pick which is the likely case, I would probably take either Drummond or MKG. I wouldn't mind trading back to three and taking who ever is left if the compensation was a jermey lamb - royce white caliber player.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

The guy has the potential to be a dwight howard/ andrew bynum type....he has so much potential and already has an nba body...but is a terrible free throw shooter...hardly any offensive game...and doesnt look motivated at all...like someone earlier said the guy is so dominant he sawn uconn wasnt that good he shouldve demanded the ball.....he'll be picked purely on potential and he is a project...high risk high reward but idk if we can afford another play who doesnt pan out..the guy seems like he doesnt care about basketball he doesnt care about being great

[Plowright]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/220461/Drummond_Set_To_Declare_For_Draft

Very good news!

[Chef]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/220461/Drummond_Set_To_Declare_For_Draft

Very good news!

excellent news. he is my #1 consolation prize. i expect by draft night for him to be #2 on the big board. no way he doesn't move up in workouts/measurements.

[ohara831]

I like it, not because I would take him at #2 or #3, but because it makes a very good chance someone would trade up for him and we could get a pretty good deal if we dont land Davis at #1.

[Plowright]

exactly why I said this is good news.

1) We have the option to take him
2) Someone else takes him and leaves talent for us
3)Someone falls in love and trades up

[Kemba2Hendo]

When you are playing on a team of chuckers he is lucky to average what he did. Thank God he is declaring so if the ping pong balls don't land our way we can still either get this good talent or trade back with someone who wants to move up for a shot at him.

[Chef]

can anyone post this article

Is Andre Drummond the next Dwight Howard or the next Kwame Brown?
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog/_/name/nba_draft/id/7806409/nba-draft-andre-drummond-dwight-howard-kwame-brown (insider)

[-Ian-]

Yes, someone please post the complete article.

There's also an article by Thorpe saying that if ever we don't get the first pick and end up with the second, we should pick Thomas Robinson.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

insider is so dumb man fuck espn for that

[ohara831]

Yes, someone please post the complete article.

There's also an article by Thorpe saying that if ever we don't get the first pick and end up with the second, we should pick Thomas Robinson.


Article basically said that Davis is who we need. But if we dont get #1, taking Thomas Robinson at #2 is the next best fit and would help us greatly. If #3 or #4, look at Bradley Beal. Does not think Charlotte needs MKG or Drummond as they may have lots of upside, but they have a lot of work which needs to be done before they are really ready. And Charlotte does not need players who are "projects" from this Draft. Was a good article.

[Chef]

Article basically said that Davis is who we need. But if we dont get #1, taking Thomas Robinson at #2 is the next best fit and would help us greatly. If #3 or #4, look at Bradley Beal. Does not think Charlotte needs MKG or Drummond as they may have lots of upside, but they have a lot of work which needs to be done before they are really ready. And Charlotte does not need players who are "projects" from this Draft. Was a good article.

couldn't disagree more. last thing we need is another gerald wallace or even kenneth faried type player. they won't get us any closer to relevance. i would rather swing for the fence and miss than keep hitting solid single and doubles.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Drummond's freshman stats per 35 minutes:

12.3 points, 9.3 rebounds, 3.3 blocks

Drummond's stats per 35 minutes if he had made 60% of his free throws:

13.2 points, 9.3 rebounds, 3.3 blocks

These numbers make me feel a little better about him. A lot of guys in college averaged 35 or more minutes a game this year. Big men can take longer to develop, because it's common for them to play mostly against smaller centers in high school.

[Whiz Kid]

I'd stay away from him. He's got high potential to be a great player, but also high potential to be a bust. It's not something we can risk right now. What we need is someone who is already ready to be a big contributor but also has the potential to get even better along the way.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

I'm with Chef on this one do we really want to be in the position where we let someone with his talent slip through our fingers and so what if he's a bust theres always next year. Another thing is this guy is such a valuable asset for teams in full rebuild a 6"11 big man with athleticsm to match some of the best in the league whose to say we can't grab a huge haul trading down.

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How is he mentally?

Is he soft, a space cadet, lazy, unmotivated?

Any ideas on what he is like from the neck up?

[Veteran_Picksetter]

How is he mentally?

Is he soft, a space cadet, lazy, unmotivated?

Any ideas on what he is like from the neck up?

Leave me out of this. Oh, wait. We're still talking about Drummond.

[Chef]

How is he mentally?

Is he soft, a space cadet, lazy, unmotivated?

Any ideas on what he is like from the neck up?

the uconn guys on here will have better answers but i think it is probably a combination of space cadet and getting used to playing real competition. imagine being him in high school and never seeing anyone near his size and athleticism, then overnight playing against at least one guy near you in size every night. it would take a little while to get used to.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Does the NBA better suit a guy like Drummond, who has overpowering physical abilities?..

He won't be facing a lot of zone.

The longer 3-point line combined with deadlier shooters stretches the floor a bit, and opens things up for more individual 1-on-1 post plays. And also easier entry passes to the bigs. Drummond is already something like 270 lbs of long athletic ability at age 19.

Also, the nba has a lot more pick-and-roll basketball. Does this suit Drummond? How did he fare at catching the ball and scoring while rolling towards the basket??

I'm reminded of DeAndre Jordan, who had a very disappointing freshman season and slipped way down in the draft. He's doing fine in the league now.

Thoughts??

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I wouldn't want to spend a top 5 pick on a Deandre Jordan though. 10-15 pick yes. Top 5 no.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

In this draft, if you told me I could get a starting Center in the top 5, I'd be very tempted to take one over Sullinger and Robinson. I could easily see Sullinger and Robinson being nothing special in the league due to height or length issues. (Robinson looks more like 6'7"-6'8" to me, but I could be wrong)

[SWedd523]

Drummond has far more offensive potential than Jordan. They both suck nuts at FTs, but at least Drummond has shown some post moves, ball handling, and flashes of a jumpshot. And I say that as probably the only person on this forum who was a fan of Jordan when he was coming out of A&M.


Drummmond has more talent than anybody in the draft, including Davis. He just hasn't put it together (yet?)

[Whiz Kid]

Drummmond has more talent than anybody in the draft, including Davis. He just hasn't put it together (yet?)

I do agree with this statement. But I don't think we should risk on a "could-be" player, assuming we get first pick. If we don't get first pick, We need a better scoring option at the wing.

[SWedd523]

The problem with that is that the only real "scorer" in this years draft is Jeremy Lamb and his stock is low lottery right now.

[polarcat]

I don't think Drummond would be considered with picks 1 & 2, but after that, he's as talented (probably more) than anyone in line. Everybody in this draft has their strengths and weaknesses that could make any player not named Anthony Davis a suspect selection. If we lose out on the #1 pick, I'm okay with Drummond. I'm nervous if he's too soft of a big man that plays too tentative of a game rather than realizing his size and taking over the paint, and the game for that matter. That being said, at only 18 years old, he just needs maturity and time to put it all together. I think there are a few comparisons out there that are both good and bad..... Kwame Brown, Andrew Bynum, Dwight Howard and DeAndre Jordan. I remember prior to the season, Drummond was arguably the #1 pick in the draft and everyone was drooling over his potential.

[gamecocksmitty4]

The problem with that is that the only real "scorer" in this years draft is Jeremy Lamb and his stock is low lottery right now.

Lamb needs to develop a consistent 3-point shot before he is considered a "scorer" in the NBA. He could be good but he has a LONG way to go.

The only guys I like in this draft for Charlotte are:

1) Anthony Davis
2) Andre Drummond
3) Thomas Robinson
4) Michael-Kidd Gilchrist
5) John Jenkins
6) Royce White
7) Jeffery Taylor
8 ) Doron Lamb
9) Jeremy Lamb
10) Jared Sullinger

[Veteran_Picksetter]

I hope no one thinks I consider Deandre Jordan and Andre Drummond to be very similar or on the same level.

My point is that they were both very disappointing as freshmen. As it turned out with Jordan, people put too much stock in his one disappointing season of college ball.

I don't think college basketball necessarily showcases a huge big man's talents for the NBA. (See my previous post on that.)

[SWedd523]

A lot of Jordan's issues stemmed from behavioral problems and clashes with his coach. That's why his stock dropped suddenly from lottery to late first/early second. The talent was obvious, there were just concerns that he was a bad apple. (The same thing happened with Jordan Hamilton this year if you remember).

Drummond's problems were twofold. One, he played on a team with two notoriously bad chuckers (Napier and Boatwright) and another guard who needed his shots (Lamb). There weren't many opportunities for him to be assertive. Two, the opportunities he DID have, he didn't take advantage of them. In the games I watched, he showed a lot of the Boris Diaw Syndrome where repeatedly passed out of open looks. I don't know if it was because he was afraid of upsetting the upperclassmen, or if he really doesn't like to take over games.

[Plowright]

Lamb needs to develop a consistent 3-point shot before he is considered a "scorer" in the NBA. He could be good but he has a LONG way to go.

The only guys I like in this draft for Charlotte are:

1) Anthony Davis
2) Andre Drummond
3) Thomas Robinson
4) Michael-Kidd Gilchrist
5) John Jenkins
6) Royce White
7) Jeffery Taylor
8 ) Doron Lamb
9) Jeremy Lamb
10) Jared Sullinger

How on earth is Beal not in that list?

[gamecocksmitty4]

Because I don't think he is enough of an upgrade over Gerald Henderson to warrant a draft pick. The only SGs I have listed are Jenkins and both Lambs. And that's because I think they offer an added dimension to our game whereas Beal's game is VERY similar to Henderson's (although he is a slightly better shooter). IMO, Jenkins has the potential to be a starter in the league. If he can develop a slashing game and work on his defense, he could be an outstanding SG. Not to mention that he adds the 3 pointer to our offense right away off the bench. Lamb and Lamb could both be pretty good subs and add parts to our game that we don't have from Henderson. Doron adds a 3 point shooter and Jeremy adds a solid scorer off the bench. IMO, Beal will never be a "scorer" in the league and spending a draft pick on Gerald Henderson is not worth it since....well....we already have Gerald Henderson.

[Plowright]

He is a much better shooter than Henderson. He was the best rebounding guard in college. He has much much better handles than henderson. Also Beal can actually shoot the 3 which Henderson can't. So Beal can handle the ball, creat his shot and hit 3s. What can Henderson NOT do? Just those things I cannot believe you think henderson is so similar. Beal has a way higher ceiling than Henderson and I can he will be a scorer you just wait and see. Also Henderson was the 12th pick in an average draft. Beal could go 2 or 3 and this is the strongest draft in years

[gamecocksmitty4]

He is a much better shooter than Henderson. He was the best rebounding guard in college. He has much much better handles than henderson. Also Beal can actually shoot the 3 which Henderson can't. So Beal can handle the ball, creat his shot and hit 3s. What can Henderson NOT do? Just those things I cannot believe you think henderson is so similar. Beal has a way higher ceiling than Henderson and I can he will be a scorer you just wait and see. Also Henderson was the 12th pick in an average draft. Beal could go 2 or 3 and this is the strongest draft in years

I have my opinion. You have yours. I just think that what Beal offers over Henderson is not enough to warrant a draft pick on him. Let me put it this way...would you rather have Beal, DBrown, and DJW/Mully...Hendo, TRob/MKG, and DJW/Mully...or Hendo, DBrown, and ADavis going into the future?

[Veteran_Picksetter]

A lot of Jordan's issues stemmed from behavioral problems and clashes with his coach. That's why his stock dropped suddenly from lottery to late first/early second. The talent was obvious, there were just concerns that he was a bad apple. (The same thing happened with Jordan Hamilton this year if you remember).

Drummond's problems were twofold. One, he played on a team with two notoriously bad chuckers (Napier and Boatwright) and another guard who needed his shots (Lamb). There weren't many opportunities for him to be assertive. Two, the opportunities he DID have, he didn't take advantage of them. In the games I watched, he showed a lot of the Boris Diaw Syndrome where repeatedly passed out of open looks. I don't know if it was because he was afraid of upsetting the upperclassmen, or if he really doesn't like to take over games.

Thank you for the insight. I remember Rudy Gay being criticized for failing to take over games when he was an underclassman at UCONN.

I guess the fact that Drummond blocked nearly 3 shots a game in 28 minutes shows promise. If we draft him I will look on the bright side.

As good as Anthony Davis is, it sounds like an assertive Drummond could completely overpower him in the post at this point. We all know Davis is more of a help defender than anything else....

[raleigh]

Personally, I'd be okay with taking the Drummond gamble (you have to swing a little harder to hit a home run, you know), but I have serious doubts that the Bobcats would do it.

Why?

Because NBA teams rarely choose to have two project bigs on their roster at one time. It's gonna be enough work to get Biyombo ready.

If the 'Cats take a big, I think it has to be Robinson. (Meaning the question comes down to whether Robinson projects to be a better pro than the two young wings).

[SJackson1]

i don;t think we need Andre Drummond becasue we have Biyombo who is a similar player to Andre.

[SWedd523]

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[SJackson1]

his he an out and out Center or can he play PF ?

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

his he an out and out Center or can he play PF ?
he can definitely guard Power forwards, but with his offensive game I think he's more of a centre. I think he could defend against stretch 4's all the way to the perimetre though and let Smack operate in the middle.

[Katmandu]

How can someone THAT athletic and skilled have such an average statistical season this year? 10 points and 7.6 boards?

Somebody please enlighten me.

I don't know. Ask Tyrus Thomas.

And that, fellow fans, is the trouble with Drummond. We already have a freakishly athletic, worth the risk, power foreward and there should be a lesson there. We gamble a lot. Take the solid player for once. I still like MKG but if you want top go big, go Robinson.

[BrotherDave]

Argument: He's too soft/passive; he can't shoot FT; can't rebound; has no "motor," et cetera.

Counter: He's 18 and coasted on his athleticism his whole life. He can't box out, shoot FTs or play aggressive b/c he hasn't had enough coaching to play organized basketball, due to a tumultuous season at UConn with Calhoun being in and out of the picture. These things are easily fixable. What he's good at are not teachable.

Argument: He lost 20 lbs, that means he has a weight problem a la Sean May.

Counter: At 268, he was already the fastest player on his team and had no injury problems at that weight. He's dieting and eating better id est taking basketball seriously so 20 lbs lighter he'll be even more of an athletic freak.

Argument: He can't co-exist with Bismack, they're both too raw, too many projects.

Counter: He's potentially the best complement to Biz. When he's #1 option on his team like in his high school and AAU days, he displayed excellent court vision and passing ability for his size, not unlike LeBron. On offense, they're both raw but Andre has the handle, passing, and soft hands enough to roam and draw doubles and get Biz wide open looks. He's also got legit C size at 6'11" and 7'2" wingspan which would allow Biz to guard PFs if match ups call for it. With Robinson, you're pretty much stuck with Biz at C. It would be a lot of projects but we have the unique luxury of being a rebuilding team and it's actually counter-productive to get too good (or worst case scenario: mediocre) too soon. Biz's youth and maturity would go a long way in rubbing off on Andre and giving him a guy to compete against and guard against becoming timid of older vets and becoming a bust.

Argument: He's too risky, we need to take a solid, safe pick. A winner with an impressive college resume, a sure thing.

Counter: There's no such thing as a sure thing. Impressive college winners get bounced out of the NBA just as much as raw projects. Players have to find right situations for them to succeed, very rarely are players transcendent beyond this like LeBron, Jordan, etc. The Bobcat's have done nothing but take "safe" college winners and have little to show for it. Okafor, Felton, May, Morrison, Wright, Dudley, Augustin, Henderson. All hugely successful in college, all gone or mediocre players that have stalled this franchise. We took a drastic departure from this strategy when Cho traded up and drafted Bismack, a player with many red flags (age? offense? small sample error?) and higher bust potential than Andre. It's working out.

Argument: He's most likely gonna be no better than Kwame or DeAndre Jordan.

Counter: Even though I hugely disagree with this evaluation I'll play along anyway. As a rebuilding team, we need assets, players to build around or worth value to other teams as to improve us via trading. Teams are high on Bismack. DeAndre got a huge contract and all he does is block and score on alley oops. Kwame, at 29 yo got a 1 year 7 million dollar deal. No matter how bad a big is, he still has value as a big and Andre's a very young big. We sold Jeremy Tyler for like $3M if I remember correctly, he is not as skilled as Andre and he already started late in the season, albeit while they were in tank mode, at Golden State.

[spectre]

Good post and welcome to the forum.

I'm not against a risk pick and I agree with a lot of what you said. The more I'm learning about the (supposed?) flaws in all the other choices the more I'm open to going for the home run.

[BrotherDave]

Good post and welcome to the forum.

I'm not against a risk pick and I agree with a lot of what you said. The more I'm learning about the (supposed?) flaws in all the other choices the more I'm open to going for the home run.

Thanks. I guess what bothers me the most and why I'm becoming such a Drummond advocate is that I constantly see people using highly subjective rationales for arguing against picking Drummond (like no heart, doesn't hustle, poor motor, etc.) that's really hard to gauge unless you witness it in person. I think people blow out the risk part way out of proportion when really all these guys have tons of risks behind them. Long gone are the days of 4yr college players and what you see is what you get. MKG, Robinson, Beal and even Davis all have just as many question marks as AD does b/c their being evaluated off of one (1!) year of basketball, since Robinson didn't get a whole lot of playing time his first two years.

If he was really that bad at basketball and had a terrible motor and didn't hustle and had the basketball IQ of a box turtle then why did he instantly start for one of the most prestigious programs in college basketball, defending National Champs?

[Mustachio]

This is the workout and combine performance I am most interested in. Has the ability to move up to 2 (a stupid wild long shot, but not out of the realm that a 7 footer as big and fast as he is unseats AD at 1) or fall all the way to 6 with a bad workout. Easily the one to watch this month. I, like everyone here, am enamored with his highlights and physical presence, but totally shook about his production at the college level. Really scared of his free throw shooting.

I honestly think he could be as good or a better fit in Charlotte than Anthony Davis. He has lost a bunch of weight and looks to be taking this serious. I know he is considered a Center by just about everyone, but I think in Charlotte we would still stick to the "big" label. I think on defense he may be a better defender against PF's than Bismack, especially in or just outside the paint. He would give us the beef we are looking for, and we would still be plenty long and fast.

And depending on how he does this month, we could probably easily move back to 4 or even 6 and still get him, while collecting other assets. the main guy to watch as a Bobcats fan this month in my eyes.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

I really have to trade with Cleveland to get the 4th pick, if we let him drop any further I think Sac willl jump all over him, to create a twin towers duo with him and Cousins. I really feel paired with Biz he could dominate down low, and as good as Davis is I don't think he has the same upside as Drummond.

[BrotherDave]

I really have to trade with Cleveland to get the 4th pick, if we let him drop any further I think Sac willl jump all over him, to create a twin towers duo with him and Cousins. I really feel paired with Biz he could dominate down low, and as good as Davis is I don't think he has the same upside as Drummond.

I've been trying to figure out what Sacramento are going to do with this draft. They've said that they want a big man that won't eat into DMC's touches and I don't think Drummond would but I have to think they'd be better suited with a veteran big b/c their roster really needs some vets.

[Potato]

Dude is a bust waiting to happen. I'll be pissed if we get him, HE HAS NO TECHNIQUE in the post. Everytime he scores it's an easy dunk, alley-oop or he just awkwardly throws it in the direction of the rim and it goes in. BUST BUST BUST, we can not take the risk on him. Someone like Portland can but hell to the no we can't

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

if anything we're in the perfect position to "risk it" we can't get much worse and FO don't want to go back to the days of mediocrity.

[Plowright]

Drummond met with Charlotte at the combine

[BrotherDave]

Dude is a bust waiting to happen. I'll be pissed if we get him, HE HAS NO TECHNIQUE in the post. Everytime he scores it's an easy dunk, alley-oop or he just awkwardly throws it in the direction of the rim and it goes in. BUST BUST BUST, we can not take the risk on him. Someone like Portland can but hell to the no we can't

Well that's not really true at all. If he had no technique he'd post up like Helen Keller.

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(http://sulia.com/source/S-245111)
Sam Amick (http://sulia.com/source/S-245111)




Who's the physical beast of this draft? Far and away Connecticut's Andre Drummond: 278 pounds with 7.5 percent body fat. He said his vertical leap today was 38 inches. He was disappointed - said he's hit 40 before. He measured 6-9 3/4 w/out shoes, 6-11 3/4 w/ shoes, with a 7-6 1/4 wingspan.



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[BlockParty]

Here is his interview with the Bobcats earlier today
http://www.nba.com/bobcats/video/2012/06/07/120607andredrummondmov-2122565

[Black]

Sam Amick


Who's the physical beast of this draft? Far and away Connecticut's Andre Drummond: 278 pounds with 7.5 percent body fat. He said his vertical leap today was 38 inches. He was disappointed - said he's hit 40 before. He measured 6-9 3/4 w/out shoes, 6-11 3/4 w/ shoes, with a 7-6 1/4 wingspan.

7 foot with a 38-40 inch vertical is nucking futts.

[Chef]

7 foot with a 38-40 inch vertical is nucking futts.

so is 29% FT. i have already predicted he will end up rising to the consensus #2 by draft night. if we want the super risky homerun pick, we go drummond. i now think we should go robinson but drummond is the only alternative in my opinion.

if i were running the show, i would not fall into the drummond or myers leonard trap.

[DashGlobal]

if this dude even had a half way decent frosh yr he would be the number one pick.

he just doesnt seem to have the hustle you need out of bigs.

he is a FREAK athlete no doubt.

Imagine Drummond having TRob's drive!! Holy Shiiiiiiiiii

[Plowright]

saw an interview with Drummond which said " are you better than a 29% FT shooter"... It took him about 5 seconds to figure out the right answer "yes" I mean come on dude! You gotta expect to be asked that, how did it take him so long to answer, theres only one answer you can say! Apparantly he blames it on focus and changing his Jump shot... my question, if it was just about focus, why didnt you focus then!?

[Chef]

saw an interview with Drummond which said " are you better than a 29% FT shooter"... It took him about 5 seconds to figure out the right answer "yes" I mean come on dude! You gotta expect to be asked that, how did it take him so long to answer, theres only one answer you can say! Apparantly he blames it on focus and changing his Jump shot... my question, if it was just about focus, why didnt you focus then!?

if we did draft him, i would extend a 1 year 20 million contract to kg to mentor him the first year. he has way too much potential to be this much of an immature idiot.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

Drummond really intrigues me....6 foot 11 nearly 7 foot witha 38 inch vertical....he doesnt even need a great post game right now...run some pick and rolls with him get him easy buckets...dwight howard isnt that skilled in the post and he averages over 20 ppg....hes got to work on the FT shooting no doubt but him and biyombo could shut the paint down defensively. If we hire brian shaw and his triangle offense drummond would probably be my choice.,..hes an ideal fit for the triaangle since he is a big man who can pass very well. For me its between him and robinson....either go for the superstar homerun with drummond or the safe pick with robinson

[Plowright]

imagine our ft shooting percentage as a team with Drummond and Biyombo haha

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

imagine our ft shooting percentage as a team with Drummond and Biyombo haha
hahah i dont even want to imagine

[Black]

Latest NBADraft.net mock has us taking Drummond. Last week it was Robinson, and Barnes the week before that. No idea what they base their mocks on.

[Plowright]

nothing.... use Draft express is my advice

[polarcat]

yeah, NBADraftnet is garbage. Some of their player comparisons are okay to gauge an unknown player, but outside of that, their mocks and lots of their analyses have been far off. Plowright is spot on..... DX all the way.

[DashGlobal]

Id be shocked and pissed if we drafted Drummond at 2.

To much risk and work needing to be done.

[SWedd523]

Id be shocked and pissed if we drafted Drummond at 2.

To much risk and work needing to be done.

Would it make you quit BCP?

[Potato]

Would it make you quit BCP?It would make me want to quit being a Bobcats fan in general. I wouldn't do it, but I'd want to. I can live with either of Beal, MKG, T-Rob or a trade back but not Drummond at 2.

[spectre]

A lot of us lived thru the Ammo pick. Drummond can't be as bad.

I don't see Drummond being Cho's pick anyway. IMO he's missing out on too many of those "C's" & "S's".

[DashGlobal]

A lot of us lived thru the Ammo pick. Drummond can't be as bad.

I don't see Drummond being Cho's pick anyway. IMO he's missing out on too many of those "C's" & "S's".

At least with Ammo the dude dominated college and certainly didnt under achieve. Drummond just completely under achieved last yr.

Id take Drummond in the top 10, but not at 2.

[Mustachio]

A lot of us lived thru the Ammo pick. Drummond can't be as bad.

I don't see Drummond being Cho's pick anyway. IMO he's missing out on too many of those "C's" & "S's".


Yup. those C's and S's make me think the pick has to be Robinson. Consistent, Covered pretty well, Character for sure, and arguably competed better than anyone in college basketball last year. Not stupid, not selfish, the opposite of soft, not slow.

Thinking about the C's and S's though... throwing out the "projected draft positions" who do you think fits the bill best for that? This should probably be its own thread , but how hilarious and good for the blog/message board economy would it be if Cho drafted Royce White at 2.

[Plowright]

Did Dash say yes? If so I hope we trade back to 6 and 11 and get Drummond

[spectre]

Yup. those C's and S's make me think the pick has to be Robinson. Consistent, Covered pretty well, Character for sure, and arguably competed better than anyone in college basketball last year. Not stupid, not selfish, the opposite of soft, not slow.

Thinking about the C's and S's though... throwing out the "projected draft positions" who do you think fits the bill best for that? This should probably be its own thread , but how hilarious and good for the blog/message board economy would it be if Cho drafted Royce White at 2.

It'd be hilarious as an afterthought and esp. if he was indeed the right choice, but if we did go off the reservation like that I'd probably be in the toilet throwing up right after we made the pick.

I'd certainly be interested in reading a thread on the Cs & Ss and who that might mean. Wouldn't be able to contribute tho.

[spectre]

At least with Ammo the dude dominated college and certainly didnt under achieve. Drummond just completely under achieved last yr.

Id take Drummond in the top 10, but not at 2.

Yeah there were a whole different set of reasons on why Ammo shouldn't have been the pick...I'll give you that.

The drive thing is really what scares the hell out of me and I don't think that was an issue with Ammo.

[dnbman]

In defense of Drummond, didn't Connecticut have a bunch of issues this year? Granted, that doesn't excuse his production, but I thought there were coaching issues and other stuff going on.

[DashGlobal]

In defense of Drummond, didn't Connecticut have a bunch of issues this year? Granted, that doesn't excuse his production, but I thought there were coaching issues and other stuff going on.

Coaching issues doesnt excuse not playing hard.

[dnbman]

Coaching issues doesnt excuse not playing hard.

True, but was his lack of production just from not playing hard or were there issues where he wasn't well coached on what he should be doing? We've seen here what happens when guys have mediocre understandings of what they should be doing, and then play tentatively as a result of it. (Fine Ham Biscuit.)

[DashGlobal]

True, but was his lack of production just from not playing hard or were there issues where he wasn't well coached on what he should be doing? We've seen here what happens when guys have mediocre understandings of what they should be doing, and then play tentatively as a result of it. (Fine Ham Biscuit.)

Maybe points, but I feel like rebounding is primarily about hustling and playing hard.

If you watch Robinson and Drummond play it is like night and day the amount of energy and hustle they exert on every possession.

I don't want a big if he doesnt understand that he needs to play hard (getting rebounds and contesting every shot in the paint)

Thats just elementary stuff if you ask me.

[BrotherDave]

Maybe points, but I feel like rebounding is primarily about hustling and playing hard.

If you watch Robinson and Drummond play it is like night and day the amount of energy and hustle they exert on every possession.

I don't want a big if he doesnt understand that he needs to play hard (getting rebounds and contesting every shot in the paint)

Thats just elementary stuff if you ask me.
There is so much more to rebounding than hustling and playing hard. Look at our team last season. Biz and Mullens hustled and played hard but they couldn't rebound for chit. Their overall team defense was so bad that Biz and Mullens were hardly in position to rebound b/c one or the other was constantly having to rotate off their man to provide weakside help. When you do that, you surrender rebounding position to your man so getting the rebound becomes a 50/50 thing. Now, if the rest of your team also doesn't box out their men (like guards and forwards are bad at often), then the chance of you getting the rebound becomes more like 1/4.

There was definitively something bad about that UConn team. Look at Oriakhi's numbers. He went from getting 8 something boards on a Nat. Championship team to like 4 something. That's awful and he's a solid rebounder. Rebounds are very dependent on a team effort, just like passing and shooting but lots of people don't realize this b/c they never played in the paint.

[spectre]

There is so much more to rebounding than hustling and playing hard. Look at our team last season. Biz and Mullens hustled and played hard but they couldn't rebound for chit. Their overall team defense was so bad that Biz and Mullens were hardly in position to rebound b/c one or the other was constantly having to rotate off their man to provide weakside help. When you do that, you surrender rebounding position to your man so getting the rebound becomes a 50/50 thing. Now, if the rest of your team also doesn't box out their men (like guards and forwards are bad at often), then the chance of you getting the rebound becomes more like 1/4.

There was definitively something bad about that UConn team. Look at Oriakhi's numbers. He went from getting 8 something boards on a Nat. Championship team to like 4 something. That's awful and he's a solid rebounder. Rebounds are very dependent on a team effort, just like passing and shooting but lots of people don't realize this b/c they never played in the paint.

Good post.

[DashGlobal]

There is so much more to rebounding than hustling and playing hard. Look at our team last season. Biz and Mullens hustled and played hard but they couldn't rebound for chit. Their overall team defense was so bad that Biz and Mullens were hardly in position to rebound b/c one or the other was constantly having to rotate off their man to provide weakside help. When you do that, you surrender rebounding position to your man so getting the rebound becomes a 50/50 thing. Now, if the rest of your team also doesn't box out their men (like guards and forwards are bad at often), then the chance of you getting the rebound becomes more like 1/4.

There was definitively something bad about that UConn team. Look at Oriakhi's numbers. He went from getting 8 something boards on a Nat. Championship team to like 4 something. That's awful and he's a solid rebounder. Rebounds are very dependent on a team effort, just like passing and shooting but lots of people don't realize this b/c they never played in the paint.

True, there is more to rebounding than just hustle. But lets not kid ourselves, it is still significantly important.

Id prob break it down like

50% Hustle

50% Instincts / Timing & Positioning

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

He's one of the only players in my opinion with star potential in this draft....id risk it at 2...imagine if we got a coach like jerry sloan to be paired with drummond...he wouldnt take his BS....thta would be a good scenario...but u gotta see drummond played with napier...boateng...lamb...all of them took a ton of shots....not enough for drummond...but you dont teach 6 foot 11 inches and a 38 inch vertical

[Plowright]

I am not a massive Drummond homer but I feel someone should fight his corner: UConn struggled for a number of reasons this year. Jim Caloun had Spinal Stenosis last year so they lost their coach for a large part of the season, so to create a decent system and team spirit will have been hard. Drummond and someone else joined the team really late for some reason, I dont know why though. It was not Drummond's responsiblity that he joined late, it was for some reason but I cant remember so he struggled to feel part of the team and learn the plays. If you want to see the interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeSByhECZWw

[JMo]

I'm definitely on the Drummond band wagon and cannot wait for this draft. I'd love to see what kind of rotations we could do with him, Biz, and Mully. Especially if Oak comes back and helps these guys out.

[BrotherDave]

True, there is more to rebounding than just hustle. But lets not kid ourselves, it is still significantly important.

Id prob break it down like

50% Hustle

50% Instincts / Timing & Positioning

Nah, it's more like:
25% sheer luck
50% positioning/instincts
25% teammates boxing out their guys.

Hustling only comes into play on those long rebounds you have to chase down. You can be really lazy and just suck down rebounds, trust me.

[DashGlobal]

Nah, it's more like:
25% sheer luck
50% positioning/instincts
25% teammates boxing out their guys.

Hustling only comes into play on those long rebounds you have to chase down. You can be really lazy and just suck down rebounds, trust me.

You can also be really lazy and not fight for position....

[WAM9]

Nah, it's more like:
25% sheer luck
50% positioning/instincts
25% teammates boxing out their guys.

Hustling only comes into play on those long rebounds you have to chase down. You can be really lazy and just suck down rebounds, trust me.

Luck has nothing, and I repeat nothing, to do with rebounding.

You can be really lazy and suck down rebounds? Are you kidding?

I am almost ready to get into this discussion about rebounding but it seems that some of the folks talking about it have no idea about the subject.

Again, maybe you were kidding about the luck and lazy things...IDK.

[SWedd523]

I think Luck plays a part. I don't think it's a huge aspect, but it definitely matters. I'm sure we've all played basketball and had a rebound come directly to us despite not being in position to get it.

[WAM9]

I think Luck plays a part. I don't think it's a huge aspect, but it definitely matters. I'm sure we've all played basketball and had a rebound come directly to us despite not being in position to get it.


But that is the exception, not the rule.

We are talking about being a good rebounder, not getting an occasional rebound.

I will go out on a limb here and say that there has never been a player regarded as a solid rebounder (at any level) who relied on luck as part of the reason they get rebounds.

The best rebounders of all time talk about how they are working for position for the rebound based upon where the shot is going up from...sometimes it might even look like luck when they are in the right spot but more times than not, them being in that spot is no mistake. Positioning is everything.

I would make a Texas Hold'em analogy - Many people think hold'em is based on luck but it is only based on luck for amatuers. The pros play the percentages. Numbers determine whether they play a hand or not, not luck. There is a reason why Phil Helmuth just won his 10th WSOP.

Rebounding is the same way, an amatuer might get a rebound because he happens to be where the rebound comes down but a true rebounder, gets the rebound because he seems to always be in the right (lucky) spot. Listen to Bill Russell talk about rebounding...

Sorry, but I do not believe rebounding is based on luck at all.

[Chef]

But that is the exception, not the rule.

We are talking about being a good rebounder, not getting an occasional rebound.

I will go out on a limb here and say that there has never been a player regarded as a solid rebounder (at any level) who relied on luck as part of the reason they get rebounds.

The best rebounders of all time talk about how they are working for position for the rebound based upon where the shot is going up from...sometimes it might even look like luck when they are in the right spot but more times than not, them being in that spot is no mistake. Positioning is everything.

I would make a Texas Hold'em analogy - Many people think hold'em is based on luck but it is only based on luck for amatuers. The pros play the percentages. Numbers determine whether they play a hand or not, not luck. There is a reason why Phil Helmuth just won his 10th WSOP.

Rebounding is the same way, an amatuer might get a rebound because he happens to be where the rebound comes down but a true rebounder, gets the rebound because he seems to always be in the right (lucky) spot. Listen to Bill Russell talk about rebounding...

Sorry, but I do not believe rebounding is based on luck at all.

helmuth just won his 12th bracelet but to dissect your point, any poker player who denies luck is lying to you. you and swedd are arguing the same point. i would be comfortable saying that at least 1 rebound from everyone of kevin love's games was luck. i am also sure that he loses one every game to someone else's luck.

[DashGlobal]

Luck? Really.

Like WAM said, we are talking about the general rule, not an exception.

Positioning / Instincts and Hustle are the main aspects of rebounding.

[WAM9]

helmuth just won his 12th bracelet but to dissect your point, any poker player who denies luck is lying to you. you and swedd are arguing the same point. i would be comfortable saying that at least 1 rebound from everyone of kevin love's games was luck. i am also sure that he loses one every game to someone else's luck.

What can I say, I am more of a bball fan than Poker :)

If you are saying that everyone in the league gets a rebound per game from "just the way the ball bounces" then I would tend to agree that that is always an issue.

What I am saying though is that the elite level rebounders, know "how the ball bounces" better than anyone else in the world and they get to those spots on the court, based on the shot, that get you the best % chance of getting the board (based on defender positioning). Add that to their drive/desire/hustle & combination of size/strength/athletic ability and you have the makings of an elite level board grabber.

[spectre]

Remember the Worm?

Of course I always figured that guy used voodoo and hexes.

[Chef]

What I am saying though is that the elite level rebounders, know "how the ball bounces" better than anyone else in the world and they get to those spots on the court, based on the shot, that get you the best % chance of getting the board (based on defender positioning). Add that to their drive/desire/hustle & combination of size/strength/athletic ability and you have the makings of an elite level board grabber.

agree 100%

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

Andre Drummond apparently lied about his "38 inch" vertical apparently it was 33 1/2 according to an ESPN Mock Draft

[Chef]

Andre Drummond apparently lied about his "38 inch" vertical apparently it was 33 1/2 according to an ESPN Mock Draft

it must have been cold in the gym. it is clearly just a case of shrinkage.

[Potato]

Lmao Miles Plumlee did better than him in every category. BUST BUST BUST BUST BUST

[dnbman]

Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/DRE_DRUMMOND_

[dnbman]

Drummond's Kings workout highlights

http://www.cowbellkingdom.com/2012/06/14/cowbell-kingdom-2012-draft-profiles-andre-drummond/

Appears to have better shooting touch than I anticipated.

[Scrapper1]

I saw two red flags in this article 1) his UCONN coach willingness to damn near write a novel about his weaknesses and 2) him saying " i havent played against anyone in two nonths".. shows he has poor work ethic and lacks desire. MKG plays daily..for hours.. Drummond will be a bust..imo

[ohara831]

Workout video was pretty impressive. We need to have him come in next week for a pre draft workout. Even if our FO is not really interested in drafting him at #2, we might be if we trade back. But still, bringing him in to Charlotte is necessary to help raise our #2 pick trade value. Other teams need to know we are considering him at #2 in order to get the best value if we trade the pick.

[WAM9]

UConn center Andre Drummond worked out for the Portland Trail Blazers on Saturday. He also has had a session with the Sacramento Kings and is slated to work out for the Charlotte Bobcats, Washington Wizards and Cleveland Cavaliers prior to the draft, according to Ben Golliver of BlazersEdge.com.

Golliver said the Blazers were predictably tight-lipped about the session, but Drummond rapped with reporters afterward and had some interesting tidbits of information. Despite the general assumption that he's a seven-footer, Drummond admitted that he is "6-foot-11 with shoes on. Elevated shoes. WIthout shoes I'm about 6-foot-10 or 6-foot-9." He also said he has shed 22 pounds since he left UConn. At 270 pounds, he feels he is "quicker on his feet."

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors

Not such a physical specimen at all to me...I guess I like his long term potential but he is no home run to me at all. Unless he fell to 7-10 range, I would stay away.

[SWedd523]

He's still 6'11.25 in normal shoes. That's more than fine for a modern Center and, paired with Bismack, is above average for a front court unit as far as height goes. Not to mention that they both have the athleticism and strength to guard any 4 or 5 in the league. They would also have two of the top 21 wingspans in DX's database at over a 7'6'' average.

Simply put, even if Drummond became nothing more than an athlete, we'd have the biggest, longest, most athletic duo in the league.

[JMo]

Drummond's athleticism is one thing that makes me believe he is higher on our draft list than a lot of sources may state. When you look at last year's draft and our trade up to make sure we got Bismack right before Detroit could then I'm wondering if Cho is just as interested in Drummond. Bismack was very raw offensively but obviously very gifted athletically. If these are the players that Cho finds to be good additions to the team then I'm wondering if Drummond is a much bigger target on his radar than we may know?

[dnbman]

Drummond's athleticism is one thing that makes me believe he is higher on our draft list than a lot of sources may state. When you look at last year's draft and our trade up to make sure we got Bismack right before Detroit could then I'm wondering if Cho is just as interested in Drummond. Bismack was very raw offensively but obviously very gifted athletically. If these are the players that Cho finds to be good additions to the team then I'm wondering if Drummond is a much bigger target on his radar than we may know?

I think he's always been a target, but there are guys that other people like better. I expected the Bobcats to give serious analysis to Drummond, ThoR (love that nickname), MKG, Beal, and Barnes, even if there are other guys that might be worthy.

[adam187]

Drummond's athleticism is one thing that makes me believe he is higher on our draft list than a lot of sources may state. When you look at last year's draft and our trade up to make sure we got Bismack right before Detroit could then I'm wondering if Cho is just as interested in Drummond. Bismack was very raw offensively but obviously very gifted athletically. If these are the players that Cho finds to be good additions to the team then I'm wondering if Drummond is a much bigger target on his radar than we may know?

this is true. but bismack also displayed a terrific work ethic and an incredibly self-aware disposition. he also took full advantage of his one main opportunity (nike hoops summit), while drummond was a total flop in his (March Madness). http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=320750066

so i would argue bismack was less of a risk than drummond.

[BrotherDave]

But that is the exception, not the rule.

We are talking about being a good rebounder, not getting an occasional rebound.

I will go out on a limb here and say that there has never been a player regarded as a solid rebounder (at any level) who relied on luck as part of the reason they get rebounds.

The best rebounders of all time talk about how they are working for position for the rebound based upon where the shot is going up from...sometimes it might even look like luck when they are in the right spot but more times than not, them being in that spot is no mistake. Positioning is everything.

I would make a Texas Hold'em analogy - Many people think hold'em is based on luck but it is only based on luck for amatuers. The pros play the percentages. Numbers determine whether they play a hand or not, not luck. There is a reason why Phil Helmuth just won his 10th WSOP.

Rebounding is the same way, an amatuer might get a rebound because he happens to be where the rebound comes down but a true rebounder, gets the rebound because he seems to always be in the right (lucky) spot. Listen to Bill Russell talk about rebounding...

Sorry, but I do not believe rebounding is based on luck at all.
You're not very good at reading apparently. I said luck played a part in about 1/4 of rebounds, not all of them or even most of them.

And yes, you can be lazy and still be a good rebounder, any big fat kid can camp out in the lane and pull down boards all day as long as the ref isn't blowing the whistle for 3 seconds.

[WAM9]

You're not very good at reading apparently. I said luck played a part in about 1/4 of rebounds, not all of them or even most of them.

And yes, you can be lazy and still be a good rebounder, any big fat kid can camp out in the lane and pull down boards all day as long as the ref isn't blowing the whistle for 3 seconds.

Talking about reading, you should see that my response was to the previous poster who is very well respected on this site. I am not looking to get into a discussion with you about great rebounders being able to be lazy. That is one of the craziest premises I have ever heard. I disagree with basically everything you have said so I figured the discussion with you wasn't worth it but if you insist.

You talk about the fat, lazy guy getting rebounds...what age/level are you talking about. I understand you are probably pretty young and learning the game but as you progress levels, not only will fat/lazy not get you a rebound, it won't get you a roster spot.

To say that luck plays a 25% part in rebounding is an incredibly naive statement. I am not trying to be rude but again, to say that, lets me know 100% that you don't understand the nuances of rebounding.

Read my post you quoted again, since you now know it wasn't directed towards you, and let me know what you think.

[JMo]

this is true. but bismack also displayed a terrific work ethic and an incredibly self-aware disposition. he also took full advantage of his one main opportunity (nike hoops summit), while drummond was a total flop in his (March Madness). http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=320750066

so i would argue bismack was less of a risk than drummond.

I wouldn't look at one game a piece if you're going to compare Drummond to Bismack. Bismack's season avg in Spain and Drummond's at UCONN were almost identical. Bottom line is Drummond is huge, freakishly fast for his size, and can help us defend the paint which is one of the many things we were very bad at last year. In addition, we now have a new coach who's apparently well known for player development.

[BrotherDave]

Talking about reading, you should see that my response was to the previous poster who is very well respected on this site. I am not looking to get into a discussion with you about great rebounders being able to be lazy. That is one of the craziest premises I have ever heard. I disagree with basically everything you have said so I figured the discussion with you wasn't worth it but if you insist.

You talk about the fat, lazy guy getting rebounds...what age/level are you talking about. I understand you are probably pretty young and learning the game but as you progress levels, not only will fat/lazy not get you a rebound, it won't get you a roster spot.

To say that luck plays a 25% part in rebounding is an incredibly naive statement. I am not trying to be rude but again, to say that, lets me know 100% that you don't understand the nuances of rebounding.

Read my post you quoted again, since you now know it wasn't directed towards you, and let me know what you think.
Nice personal attacks and assumption making, is that how you become a respected member of this site? Luck has nothing to do with it huh? Everything is predestined. Are you the John Calvin of basketball? Lol. Eddy Curry still draws a paycheck in the NBA despite being the fattest, laziest center in the league. Diop is fat, brutally slow and also has an awful work ethic but he was sadly one of if not our best rebounder last year.

[WAM9]

Nice personal attacks and assumption making, is that how you become a respected member of this site? Luck has nothing to do with it huh? Everything is predestined. Are you the John Calvin of basketball? Lol. Eddy Curry still draws a paycheck in the NBA despite being the fattest, laziest center in the league. Diop is fat, brutally slow and also has an awful work ethic but he was sadly one of if not our best rebounder last year.

Sorry BrotherDave if I have offended you. You responded to my quote back comment to another member by saying "you're not very good at reading" and then you take issue with my response to you? This is exactly why I didn't want to get into this discussion with you in the first place. Clearly, anyone who thinks that rebounding is based on luck, is going to be offended by me saying that you just don't get the nuances of rebounding. Not sure of how else to say it though. Predestined? What in the world are you talking about. Nothing about rebounding is "predestined" either.

Also, bring some better examples if you want respect. Using Curry as a rebounding example is crazy. The dude averaged .9 rebounds last season. That's point 9, not 9. Yeah, it has really worked out for him. Boris Diaw? He is a career 5 rebounds a game guy. Also, he might not take care of his body but he does understand positioning incredibly well and has a very high basketball IQ. He could be better if he applied himself but...

...are we really using Boris Diaw and Eddy Curry as examples of great rebounders...good grief.

We will just have to agree to disagree.

[JMo]

He's still 6'11.25 in normal shoes. That's more than fine for a modern Center and, paired with Bismack, is above average for a front court unit as far as height goes. Not to mention that they both have the athleticism and strength to guard any 4 or 5 in the league. They would also have two of the top 21 wingspans in DX's database at over a 7'6'' average.

Simply put, even if Drummond became nothing more than an athlete, we'd have the biggest, longest, most athletic duo in the league.

Check out the video of his workout with Sacramento. This kid is ridiculously gifted.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1228603-nba-draft-2012-why-andre-drummond-will-have-the-biggest-impact-in-the-nba

[Chef]

Check out the video of his workout with Sacramento. This kid is ridiculously gifted.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1228603-nba-draft-2012-why-andre-drummond-will-have-the-biggest-impact-in-the-nba

so much to like. so afraid of the "workout warrior" and not a basketball player potential. definitely needs a post game. too many jumpers, too soft. needs extension on the jump hook. needs at least one counter to the jump hook so he doesn't have to settle for 5 foot fading jumpers.

[Potato]

Check out the video of his workout with Sacramento. This kid is ridiculously gifted.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1228603-nba-draft-2012-why-andre-drummond-will-have-the-biggest-impact-in-the-nbaWe know he's incredibly gifted physically, but he has no post moves.

[BrotherDave]

We know he's incredibly gifted physically, but he has no post moves.

Most 18 year olds don't nowadays.

[BrotherDave]

Sorry BrotherDave if I have offended you. You responded to my quote back comment to another member by saying "you're not very good at reading" and then you take issue with my response to you? This is exactly why I didn't want to get into this discussion with you in the first place. Clearly, anyone who thinks that rebounding is based on luck, is going to be offended by me saying that you just don't get the nuances of rebounding. Not sure of how else to say it though. Predestined? What in the world are you talking about. Nothing about rebounding is "predestined" either.

Also, bring some better examples if you want respect. Using Curry as a rebounding example is crazy. The dude averaged .9 rebounds last season. That's point 9, not 9. Yeah, it has really worked out for him. Boris Diaw? He is a career 5 rebounds a game guy. Also, he might not take care of his body but he does understand positioning incredibly well and has a very high basketball IQ. He could be better if he applied himself but...

...are we really using Boris Diaw and Eddy Curry as examples of great rebounders...good grief.

We will just have to agree to disagree.

See, your reading comprehension is terrible. I never mentioned Boris Diaw, nor did I say anything about being lazy and a great rebounder. I guess you don't understand the nuances of language, I don't want to offend you but I don't know any other way to say it. You know who else was incredibly lazy and still averaged 9.3 boards a game? Derrick Coleman, whose initials were commonly said to stand for "Doesn't Care." You can be lazy and still rebound well, you just have to be either really athletic, tall or too heavy to move out of the paint or any combination thereof.

How is this little e-spat relevant to Drummond? He's very athletic, has center height, and despite looking like a complete mess on a massively disorganized UConn team as a freshman, he still averaged almost 8 boards a game. Now if that's his floor, imagine the numbers he could put up if Dunlap can teach him how to play.

[WAM9]

Whatever BrotherDave.

Have you ever heard the old saying of "you don't know and don't know that you don't know"?

It apples here - Evidently with my language and certainly with your rebounding opinion.

Again, we will just have to agree to disagree. Go Cats!

[JMo]

We know he's incredibly gifted physically, but he has no post moves.

Shaq had no post moves at 18 either

[DashGlobal]

Shaq had no post moves at 18 either

I dont think anyone would have called Shaq soft....

[JMo]

I dont think anyone would have called Shaq soft....

Not at all. My point was just that his first season at Louisiana State was far from what he showed he was capable of. Drummond is young and with the right coach he can develop a much more aggressive game.

[DashGlobal]

Not at all. My point was just that his first season at Louisiana State was far from what he showed he was capable of. Drummond is young and with the right coach he can develop a much more aggressive game.

I dont think players go from soft to hard. Either you have it or you dont....

[spectre]

I dont think players go from soft to hard. Either you have it or you dont....

Kind of parallel, but we used to have that discussion about Okafor and being aggressive.

I think your last line is applicable to both counts.

[BrotherDave]

Whatever BrotherDave.

Have you ever heard the old saying of "you don't know and don't know that you don't know"?

It apples here - Evidently with my language and certainly with your rebounding opinion.

Again, we will just have to agree to disagree. Go Cats!
We certainly will. I just don't know why my or anybody else's knowledge/opinions has to be automatically inferior to yours. I never inferred that your basketball knowledge was inferior, and I'll even extend an olive branch by saying if you thought I was attacking your opinion I apologize.








But I'm right about rebounding and we're gonna regret not drafting Andre Drummond.;):biggrin::cool:

[WAM9]

No need for an olive branch but I appreciate the gesture. We disagree, that is all. Let's just stop cluttering the thread with this and move on.

[Plowright]

Looks like Drummond is dropping. Portland have decided on Lillard at 6 from the sounds of it. I imagine that GSW would take him at 7, however some people are saying he could drop to 9 or 11.

[Chef]

Looks like Drummond is dropping. Portland have decided on Lillard at 6 from the sounds of it. I imagine that GSW would take him at 7, however some people are saying he could drop to 9 or 11.

i would give up kemba + portland's pick next year to get him from 8-11.

[ohara831]

i would give up kemba + portland's pick next year to get him from 8-11.

Not Kemba AND the Portland pick. Too much. Want to keep Kemba. But if Drummond falls a bit further, may be able to see #31 and the Portland pick. Maybe if he is still on the Board at #14?

[Chef]

Not Kemba AND the Portland pick. Too much. Want to keep Kemba. But if Drummond falls a bit further, may be able to see #31 and the Portland pick. Maybe if he is still on the Board at #14?

portland's and #31 would definitely be the first choice, but kemba is very replaceable and IF drummond hits the middle of his potential would be far more valuable then kemba considering we could find a guard to do what he does in almost every draft.

[spectre]

portland's and #31 would definitely be the first choice, but kemba is very replaceable and IF drummond hits the middle of his potential would be far more valuable then kemba considering we could find a guard to do what he does in almost every draft.

I don't agree, not at this point. I might think so halfway/end of the year but IMO there are way too many unknowns about Kemba to move him right now. We're gambling for potential with something really valuable, a #2 overall. Kind of silly to give up other possible potential that's ours for the next 3 years on a rookie deal until we have some idea.

[westbrook08]

I'm not sure he's really falling.Teams always send smokescreens this time of year.I wouldn't be surprised to see a team in the top 4 take him.Just like i wouldn't be surprised to see washington take robinson if we got cute and tried to trade back.Idk why, but for as much as cleveland has talked about wing players, they need a center and i could see him going @ 4 to them.

[akaseinfeld]

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanCBS (https://twitter.com/#%21/GoodmanCBS) That's cold. @blazersedge (https://twitter.com/#%21/blazersedge): UConn G Jeremy Lamb on ex-UConn teammate Andre Drummond's NBA potential: "It depends on if he wants to work."

[dnbman]

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanCBS (https://twitter.com/#%21/GoodmanCBS) That's cold. @blazersedge (https://twitter.com/#%21/blazersedge): UConn G Jeremy Lamb on ex-UConn teammate Andre Drummond's NBA potential: "It depends on if he wants to work."

hmmmm... That doesn't sound good. Usually teammates look out for one another, especially when they know it could effect their draft status.

[Nata Fresh]

"It depends on if he wants to work. He's a great athlete. He can jump. He can block shots. He can rebound. I always say, it's funny, we will have an early practice at like 8 AM, and everyone is trying to get warmed up and stuff. He'll just come out and do a windmill to warm up. His bounce is amazing. I believe he's going to work hard, develop post moves, I think he can be a great pro."


It's the full quote.... not as damning...

[kitch0202]

It's the full quote.... not as damning...

That's more like a team-mate's comment.

However one thing that bothered me in Andre's interview after his workout with us was after he said he 'would play hard, run the floor, rebound and block shots' (usual soundbite for bigs), he said that "offence will come to me."

Now I could well be reading far too much into the semantics of this, and do realise that 'come to me' is an common expression, but just how indicative of his work ethic & general attitude is it that he said 'it'll come to me'? He could have said he'll 'work at it' or ... anything other than it coming to him would have left me with a higher level of confidence that he might be the player he can be.

Cheers,

Kitch.

[BrotherDave]

Huh, Drummond's mother and family are Jamaican. Patrick Ewing anybody?