The Official Perry Jones III Thread

[SWedd523]

This is the place to discuss Perry Jones III. Post up your Youtube videos, news articles, and fantasies!

[SWedd523]

Perry Jones is a 6'11" Sophomore PF/SF from Baylor University.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/03/10/magazine/10perry/10perry-blog480.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WcbIPgU38Q

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

I think he's got the 2nd or 3rd most potential in this draft class shame he probably won't reach it, but he'd be a steal late on

[Plowright]

Do not want if with top 4 picks

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

the only problem with this guy is his motor....he's got skills...athleticism....hes young...if he could learn to dedicate himself to the game i wouldnt mind him....high risk high reward type playr

[SWedd523]

Where do yall picture him playing at the next level? super tall SF or stretch 4?

[Plowright]

I think it will totally depend what team he lands on and their strengths/weaknesses

[Chef]

Where do yall picture him playing at the next level? super tall SF or stretch 4?

sf. if he can play that position as he is talented enough, he would be a game changer. the stretch 4 is SUCH an overrated position when every team has one.

[s.d.s]

i'd call perry a tall 3-he is kinda like durant in his style of play-plays more like a 2-but has the length of a 4, mentally is more of a 2 in game etc etc...i think he would be a 3 and with his athleticisim make complete mis match ups for opposing teams-he could be a nightmare if he goes to the right team that developes him right-i think he has the 3rd most potential after Davis and Drummond
-Drummond is jsut because hes an athletic centers and big-big athletic centers are a rarity and can make a ehh team a WOW team,
Davis is just the concensus best pick-great length-great defender down low and outside the paint due to him used to being a pg-shows flashes of his pg handling ability-
Perry at sf because of how big of a mismatch that would be-
Robinson i see as a 3/4 has the athletic tools and ball handling skills to be a 3-can do everything you want a 3 to do-just isnt long enough to be a 4-this is coming from a KU fan that says we are going to kill uk-even if UK wins the game-the will liekly lsoe the championship and forfeit it over to KU 4 years down the road lol

[mrfargo]

I know this thread has been idle awhile, but yahoo posted a very good article on Perry Jones. Care to discuss??

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--draft-stock-of-baylor-s-perry-jones-iii-hinges-on-proving-his-consistency.html;_ylt=AmVUe_AwQrrxzvG260xVN2.8vLYF

[Plowright]

I have heard from Sam Amick, Marc Spears etc that he has looked very very good in workouts. I think he will go up the draft board as when it comes to workouts he can do everything and will just look impressive. However, in reality I think he has the skills but struggles to influence the game

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

If we don't land AD and say get the 4th pick I say we go for either him or Andre Drummond. He is top-3 in this draft potential wise and I would rather we shoot for the stars than get a solid player like T-Rob or Sullinger. I remember the anology by someone on this board, "we should look for a home run instead of hitting singles" or something like that. PJ3 fits the bill for me.

[mrfargo]

He hits a home run for me also. For some reason I have been following him the past 2 years. Mabye it is because of all the criticism he has recieved. I think this kid will go a long way. Baylor was a system offense. He didnt really fit in well there. Yes he had times where he just exploded and scored at will and he had times where you didnt even know he was there. I think he will surprise everyone. Eventual allstar in the making.........said it her and now.....

[dnbman]

He hits a home run for me also. For some reason I have been following him the past 2 years. Mabye it is because of all the criticism he has recieved. I think this kid will go a long way. Baylor was a system offense. He didnt really fit in well there. Yes he had times where he just exploded and scored at will and he had times where you didnt even know he was there. I think he will surprise everyone. Eventual allstar in the making.........said it her and now.....

I like the idea of getting him. I'm just wondering if could trade down and still land him.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

If we trade down we'd have to get in around 7-9th picks in the draft, but the problem is the two picks we could trade down to, Portland and NO are looking to be 10-11

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

id rather take a gamble and go for a home run in PJ3 than go for someone like Thomas Robinson.....Especially if we end up with the 4th pick.....i dont see how we could trade down....believe me PJ3 will keep rising in the mock drafts after all his workouts...his upside is so high im willing to take a risk....

[Plowright]

Yeah if we get the 4 pick I would like PJ3 a bit of an all or nothing attitude. If we have that shit luck I dont mind rolling the dice

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

Yeah if we get the 4 pick I would like PJ3 a bit of an all or nothing attitude. If we have that shit luck I dont mind rolling the dice

exactly what im thinking UK....we get the 4th pick might as well gamble on it....im not a big fan of robinson honestly

[Plowright]

to be honest, all the prospects are growing on me. I was very anti robinson just a month ago but I am coming around. I really like everyone but PJ3 could be something else

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

to be honest, all the prospects are growing on me. I was very anti robinson just a month ago but I am coming around. I really like everyone but PJ3 could be something else

haha yeah man last month i was anthony davis or bust...now ill be happy if we get someone like drummond, jones, MKG, beal....but im still praying for Davis haha

[polarcat]

Last week, I read one of Sam Amick's tweets that said they have been playing him at the 3 during scouting. I know his size makes him look like a PF, but if he's flexible enough to play either the 3 or the 4, and is slated to be a SF versus down on the block, I'm intrigued. No doubt, inconsistency has been his fatal flaw since his freshman season. I too, agree with if we get screwed with the #4 pick, to gamble and go big on either he or Drummond. The only "safe" picks I want us to make are AD at #1 or MKG at #2. After that it's Beal, Drummond, PJIII for me.

[Plowright]

Yeah i would want to play him at the 3 all day long. He would cause all sort of match up problems, playing him at the 3 takes away his strengths in size, ball handling and speed

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

i would have him be the 3 for us

[Plowright]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4fYlN-0VaUw#! This is a breakdown of his strengths and weaknesses. Interesting for those who have not seen much of him

[SWedd523]

Jones at the 3 would be a bad fit. Sounds like those of you wanting him to play on the wing haven't seen him play enough. He's not quick enough or a good enough ball handler to beat NBA wings off the dribble and would be forced to play at the 4. He's still a good prospect as a stretch 4 but hardly what we're looking for in a player

[WAM9]

Jones at the 3 would be a bad fit. Sounds like those of you wanting him to play on the wing haven't seen him play enough. He's not quick enough or a good enough ball handler to beat NBA wings off the dribble and would be forced to play at the 4. He's still a good prospect as a stretch 4 but hardly what we're looking for in a player

I agree. I have seen nothing of him in college which suggests he is quick/agile enough to play the 3 in the pros.

I do like him but not as a 3 and certainly not as the answer to our problems.

[Plowright]

I think he can play 3 pretty easily if I am honest. There are so many tweeners in todays NBA that he will come up against a 4 50% the time anyway. Chad Ford and Givony also think he is a 3 and I trust those two guys especially if they agree, they have some very good contacts.

[SWedd523]

I think he can play 3 pretty easily if I am honest. There are so many tweeners in todays NBA that he will come up against a 4 50% the time anyway. Chad Ford and Givony also think he is a 3 and I trust those two guys especially if they agree, they have some very good contacts.
He is a 3.



In a 4's body, with a 4's athleticism, with a 4's skill set. He doesn't project to be a very good wing player.

[Pepperz]

He's going to be mostly a 4 with moments at the 3.

[CharlotteHornets]

He is a 3.



In a 4's body, with a 4's athleticism, with a 4's skill set. He doesn't project to be a very good wing player.

In my opinion he is the ultimate Boom/Bust player in this draft...Could become a Kevin Garnett if his motor ever turns on or could be Darius Miles...

[110oldeast]

Perry Jones at the 3 would make our NBA worst offense even worst, IMHO. He is a 4 in today's NBA. At the 3, he lacks the outside shot, lateral quickness, or ballhandling to play on the perimeter versus TRUE wing players. He is a 4, b/c at this position he can better use his athleticism, have more time to get his shot off and still have the length for defense while being in a position he has played most of his life.

Furthermore, at the 3 we need someone with real 3 point range. We can't afford to continue to have mediocre to poor 3 pt shooting on the wings if we want to get better. If your 3 pt shooting is poor, your halfcourt offense will suffer and you will be forced to depend on fast break points to score.

As for the stretch 4, being overrated, I couldn't disagree more. The stretch 4 with pick and pop ability is ESSENTIAL to a halfcourt offense. The Bobcats inability to consistently have one has held them back for years. It's a pg's best friend and is a great bail out option at the end of a shot clock.

If we can't get Davis at 1, I would just as soon get Beal or Barnes with the hope of improving our perimeter offense and floor spacing. I understand PJIII could be a homerun, but he also could be a K as well. My theory is that if we don't swing for the fence and connect on Davis, I would rather hit a double with a Beal or Barnes and prepare for the lottery again next year with the hope of stringing together a few good drafts with no clear whiffs.

[Plowright]

His quickness and ball handling are all thinks he is pretty good at, I dont get where people are getting this info from?

So we should get someones with real 3% range? Does that rule MKG out of the number 2 pick then?

[SWedd523]

His quickness and ball handling are all thinks he is pretty good at, I dont get where people are getting this info from?
For where he HAS played, plow.

For a POST PLAYER, as he's been all high school and college, he is a great athlete. For a wing, he's an average athlete and loses most of his physical advantages. You do know there's a huge difference between playing predominantly near the post vs. playing predominantly on the wing.

Blake Griffin is quick and a good ball handler.... for a PF. Play him against LeBron, Melo, Durant, etc. every night and those advantages go away.


So we should get someones with real 3% range? Does that rule MKG out of the number 2 pick then?
We should get someone who is the best player in the draft. Perry isn't a top 4 talent, and I'd be hesitant to take him with even a traded down pick because 3/4 tweeners hardly ever work out in the NBA.

[Plowright]

Sorry, but I just have to say I disagree on that one Swedd. How does he lose his advantages playing at the 3 being 6 11 where everyone else who plays that position is 6 5-6 9? That would help so much on defence as he is big enough to stay with the smaller guys also we could switch the defence quite easily as he could guard 4s and maybe some 5s (Like Jefferson)

[SWedd523]

Sorry, but I just have to say I disagree on that one Swedd. How does he lose his advantages playing at the 3 being 6 11 where everyone else who plays that position is 6 5-6 9? That would help so much on defence as he is big enough to stay with the smaller guys also we could switch the defence quite easily as he could guard 4s and maybe some 5s (Like Jefferson)
What in the world does being taller have anything to do with what I'm talking about?

The athleticism requirements of a wing are very different than that of a post, not to mention the vastly different skill requirements. His advantages playing at the 4 (quickness and guard skills) disappear when he plays on the wing. Being taller helps, sure, but he's also going to be slower and less skilled than most guards/wings.

He's also nowhere near strong enough to guard a lot of the bigger guys like Jefferson. You saw how badly Jeff bullied Bismack around the paint, why in the world would you think Jones could hold his own?

[Toocool]

The athleticism requirements of a wing are very different than that of a post, not to mention the vastly different skill requirements. His advantages playing at the 4 (quickness and guard skills) disappear when he plays on the wing. Being taller helps, sure, but he's also going to be slower and less skilled than most guards/wings.

This I agree on. He's shown some great quickness, but is he quick enough to guard the wings who can blaze away? Not sure, from all reports his defense is somewhat lacking.


He's also nowhere near strong enough to guard a lot of the bigger guys like Jefferson. You saw how badly Jeff bullied Bismack around the paint, why in the world would you think Jones could hold his own?

Would be suicide to put PJ3 vs Jefferson. Jefferson plays C anyway, but he's absolutely massive (was even bigger pre-knee injury). PJ3 won't be able to hold up to the bigger PFs in the league, Z-Bo etc.

Needless to say though, PJ3 has so much talent. Reminds me a tiny bit of an athletic Diaw, but without the passing skill set. He's one I would take a punt on with pick 7-9, but nothing higher than 7. At Pick 2, I feel he's too much of a risk, but I'll be curious to see how he does in the workouts. Perhaps Cho will fall in love with him.

[SJackson1]

i think he will be a top 10 pick but i don't think he has the same ability as TRob

[Plowright]

You said playing SF took away his physical advantages. I was making the point the dude is 6 11 and that he would be a match up nightmare especially for all the sg/sf combos in the league. But again, Personally I think he is going to succeed in the NBA as a 3 for sure, I think hes going to be a great pro player and he will play the 3

[SWedd523]

And the point I was making is that you're underestimating the athletic and technical requirements of a 4 vs a 3


Blake Griffin is a star because he's quick, explosive, and a good ball handler. Put him at the 3 and all of a sudden he's an average athlete and under skilled

[mrfargo]

draft express...


Perry Jones III was the star of Day 1 at the NBA (http://bleacherreport.com/nba) draft combine.
Working out with the power forwards, he showed off his otherworldly athleticism and dispelled concerns about his intensity. No one has ever questioned his skills or physical gifts, and if Jones continues to produce like he did today, he could jump into the top five of the draft.


this guy has the makings of an al-lstar......should we really pass on him ?

[SWedd523]

Yes. Yes we should

[dnbman]

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/46544/does-motor-matter

Given we have a coach who specializes in teaching and working hard, PJ3 might make a very nice pick if we get the 24th and he slips.

I know folks have addressed his size issues, but we could develop him in situational roles until we figure out where he works best. Assuming we take T-Rob, I'd like one of the better 3s available at the pick, but if the quality 3s get taken earlier, he'd be a nice consolation prize.

Sidenote: the example of Faried speaks to taking TRob or MKG.

[Felton for Prez]

He's not going to fall to 24, sadly. I'd like to add him, regardless of who we take at 4 (assume the CLE trade). I think he needs the right situation and a place like CLT works because he can get PT with little expectation.

[BrotherDave]

After much deliberation, DO NOT WANT.

He's a SF trapped in a PF's body and he's too soft to play PF and too unskilled to play anywhere else. Would rather have Nicholson or Moultrie.