Who's your top 4?

[Katmandu]

I know a lot of people want to start buying Anthony Davis jerseys, and after months of seeing his name beside the Bobcats logo in every mock draft, it almost seems like we're entitled to pick him. But even assuming that Davis comes out (and I think that's a no brainer), we only have a one in four chance of landing that top pick. So barring some late season surge that doesn't appear imminent, we could pick anywhere from one to four. With that in mind, who's your top four for the Bobcats?

[The Milk]

1. Anthony Davis (Though I don't necessarily see him as a "clear cut" number one like everyone else does.)
2. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (Love his game, passion and hard work with the talent to boot)
3. Brad Beal (Yeah somewhat of a surprise but as stated in the title this is MY top 4, solely my opinion. I digress, can shoot and drive. Only wish he was a bit taller but what can you do?
4. Thomas Robinson (The man is just a beast every time I watch him. That's my scouting report - Beast)

As a side note I am a fan of Harrison Barnes but he is so hot and cold it makes me waffle on him a lot.

[Plowright]

1= A.Davis
2= M.Kidd-Gilchrist
3= J. Sullinger
4= B. Beal

I am not on the Robinson train I'm afraid

[Felton for Prez]

1= A.Davis
2= M.Kidd-Gilchrist
3= J. Sullinger
4= B. Beal



I agree. I'm betting people put Barnes in the top 4 but I'm terrified of that guy. If you can't take over against Ohio, how good can you really be?

[superb1]

1. Anthony Davis (Though I don't necessarily see him as a "clear cut" number one like everyone else does.)
2. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (Love his game, passion and hard work with the talent to boot)
3. Brad Beal (Yeah somewhat of a surprise but as stated in the title this is MY top 4, solely my opinion. I digress, can shoot and drive. Only wish he was a bit taller but what can you do?
4. Thomas Robinson (The man is just a beast every time I watch him. That's my scouting report - Beast)

As a side note I am a fan of Harrison Barnes but he is so hot and cold it makes me waffle on him a lot.

for now I thinking I gonna agree with your list

[Veteran_Picksetter]

With my limited knowledge.....

1. Anthony Davis
2. Trade the pick?
3. Trade the pick?
4. Trade the pick?

I have too many question marks about everyone else at this point.

[Chef]

davis

drummond



beal

trade

spaces indicate how far spaced i think they are. drummond may not have shown it in college, but the times i saw uconn, i never once saw them give him the ball on consecutive possessions on the block. college basketball offensively is absolutely horrid. my opinion is that if he develops to be even 1/2 as good as bynum he will be the 2nd or 3rd best player in the draft. look at deandre jordan or javale mcgee. at the very worst they will make excellent trade chips down the line.

[CrazyCarl139]

1 Davis, for obvious reasons. I think his ceiling is D Howard.
2 Sullinger, I hate Ohio St, but this kid has skills. He can shoot, pass and he's got great size.
3 Kidd Gilchrest, young, but a ton of talent. Fits a huge need (sf) too.
4 Drummond, I think he could be an allstar center ala Hibbert.

[SWedd523]

1. Davis





2a. Lamb
2b. Beal


4. Drummond

[Black]

Really tough to say after Davis. I don't think Sullinger is the second best player on the board, but paired with Bismack, I think that's a solid four/five combination. Sullinger providing the offensive touch and passing ability, Bismack providing the defensive power and athleticism.

Drummond has a lot of upside, but is a high risk high reward type of player. Two wildly overused cliches, but both describe Drummond well. If we didn't already have Bismack, I'd be more inclined to like Drummond.

Barnes hasn't shown "it". He should have, everyone expected him to, but it hasn't clicked like it should have yet. He's good, but he isn't the dominant scorer he should be. Same thing for Lamb.

Kidd-Gilchrist doesn't seem like a great fit to me. Not a great shooter, gets by a lot in college due to his athleticism. He scares me a bit. Same thing goes for Robinson.

I'd probably go:

1-Davis for obvious reasons.
2-Sullinger for the pairing with Bismack. They compliment each other well.

Gets shaky after that.

3-I would lean towards Barnes here. Size, shot, just needs to learn to takeover.
4-Drummond-I don't love him now, but you can't teach size. He's tall, strong, and raw. He could develop into Bynum, or he could level out like Deandre Jordan. A Jordan type player wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, we just can't give him the kind of deal Jordan got once his rookie contract is up.

Again, don't really love anyone but Davis, but it's certainly not the worst draft ever.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Really tough to say after Davis. I don't think Sullinger is the second best player on the board, but paired with Bismack, I think that's a solid four/five combination. Sullinger providing the offensive touch and passing ability, Bismack providing the defensive power and athleticism.

Drummond has a lot of upside, but is a high risk high reward type of player. Two wildly overused cliches, but both describe Drummond well. If we didn't already have Bismack, I'd be more inclined to like Drummond.

Barnes hasn't shown "it". He should have, everyone expected him to, but it hasn't clicked like it should have yet. He's good, but he isn't the dominant scorer he should be. Same thing for Lamb.

Kidd-Gilchrist doesn't seem like a great fit to me. Not a great shooter, gets by a lot in college due to his athleticism. He scares me a bit. Same thing goes for Robinson.

I'd probably go:

1-Davis for obvious reasons.
2-Sullinger for the pairing with Bismack. They compliment each other well.

Gets shaky after that.

3-I would lean towards Barnes here. Size, shot, just needs to learn to takeover.
4-Drummond-I don't love him now, but you can't teach size. He's tall, strong, and raw. He could develop into Bynum, or he could level out like Deandre Jordan. A Jordan type player wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, we just can't give him the kind of deal Jordan got once his rookie contract is up.

Again, don't really love anyone but Davis, but it's certainly not the worst draft ever.

I'd feel a little more comfortable with Sullinger's ground-bound style if he miraculously sprouted 2 inches. As I've written before, he reminds me of two guys who were perfect for college but NOT the pros: Sean May and J.R. Reid.

Looking forward to his reach measurements.....

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

1) Davis no brainer
2) Andre Drummond, guy is apparently one of the quickest guys on his UCONN team, imagine him Biz and Kemba in transition
3) Beal, like his game doesn't have t many issues although he's not as bulky as i'd like
4) Barnes Pure scorer at some point in his career.

[Katmandu]

1)4) Barnes Pure scorer at some point in his career.

I'm with a lot of other people on this thread when it comes to Barnes. He has the skills and athleticism but I don't see that intensity that allows him to impose his will on games. And in spite of his athleticism, he doesn't seem to create his own shot very well. That really showed against Ohio U. when Marshall was out. I'd like to see him stay in college and develop that rather than spend a top 4 pick and hope he develops it.

That said; 1) Davis - I remember people talking about how loaded we were at the 4 before the season started, but having four 4's doesn't really help if one of them isn't a legitimate starter. Davis and Biyombo would make a formidable frontcourt, at least defensively in the short term while they develop offensively.

2) Drummond - For similar reasons. Biyombo and Drummond could give athleticism and toughness that would essentially seal the paint for the Bobcats.

3) Kidd-Gilchrist - "Kidd-Gilchrist doesn't seem like a great fit to me. Not a great shooter, gets by a lot in college due to his athleticism." That would have been the scouting report for Gerald Wallace coming out of college. I like the way K-G took over the game against Indiana when Davis went to the bench with foul trouble.

4) Beal/Lamb - The Bobcats need scoring. Start Hendo at the 3 and let one of these natural scorers do what they do.

[Mustachio]

I agree. I'm betting people put Barnes in the top 4 but I'm terrified of that guy. If you can't take over against Ohio, how good can you really be?

This is flawed.

6 points in 29 minutes against St. Louis
11 points in 29 minutes against Alabama Birmingham.

Those are some of Dwayne Wades point totals in his sophomore year at Marquette. If he can't take over against St Louis ... how good can he really be?


1. Davis
2. Drummond
3. Barnes
4. Sullinger

I just dont trust MKG. If we are taking any player from Kentucky not named Anthony Davis... it'd better be Terrence Jones. He will be the better NBA player I think.

[ohara831]

Anthony Davis
Kidd-Gilchrist
Trade Pick

[ziggy]

I'm far from a college guru, so my question is this.

Does Drummond have average, above average or elite NBA athleticism?

If he is a truly an elite athlete, that would make me slightly less hesitant to pick him if we don't land at number 1.

[Black]

I'm far from a college guru, so my question is this.

Does Drummond have average, above average or elite NBA athleticism?

If he is a truly an elite athlete, that would make me slightly less hesitant to pick him if we don't land at number 1.

Yes, and I've read that he could have another growth spurt in him.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

1.Davis
2.Michael Kidd Gilchrist
3.Beal
4.Perry Jones III (High Risk High Reward)

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

I tihnk sullinger would be a good fit with bismack i just got a feeling he will be glen davis version 2.0

[SWedd523]

I'm far from a college guru, so my question is this.

Does Drummond have average, above average or elite NBA athleticism?

If he is a truly an elite athlete, that would make me slightly less hesitant to pick him if we don't land at number 1.

For his size? Every bit as athletic as guys like Dwight, McGee, etc.

His problem is all mental

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

i got alot of doubts about drummond....seems like he doesnt care about the game at times....

[Veteran_Picksetter]

I'm with a lot of other people on this thread when it comes to Barnes. He has the skills and athleticism but I don't see that intensity that allows him to impose his will on games. And in spite of his athleticism, he doesn't seem to create his own shot very well. That really showed against Ohio U. when Marshall was out. I'd like to see him stay in college and develop that rather than spend a top 4 pick and hope he develops it.

That said; 1) Davis - I remember people talking about how loaded we were at the 4 before the season started, but having four 4's doesn't really help if one of them isn't a legitimate starter. Davis and Biyombo would make a formidable frontcourt, at least defensively in the short term while they develop offensively.

2) Drummond - For similar reasons. Biyombo and Drummond could give athleticism and toughness that would essentially seal the paint for the Bobcats.

3) Kidd-Gilchrist - "Kidd-Gilchrist doesn't seem like a great fit to me. Not a great shooter, gets by a lot in college due to his athleticism." That would have been the scouting report for Gerald Wallace coming out of college. I like the way K-G took over the game against Indiana when Davis went to the bench with foul trouble.

4) Beal/Lamb - The Bobcats need scoring. Start Hendo at the 3 and let one of these natural scorers do what they do.

Not gonna argue that we need scoring, but I don't like the idea of Hendo at the 3. He's lengthy, but just not big enough. He would get overpowered at that spot, in my humble opinion.

How are Beal/Lamb as ball handlers. Good enough to be combo guards and get some run NEXT to Hendo?

Harrison Barnes: One wonders....if he had been around less offensive talent this year, maybe he would've shown more go-to assertiveness. Instead, he filled the hole that UNC's offense needed filled, and that was outside shooting.

[Chevalier au Lion]

For his size? Every bit as athletic as guys like Dwight, McGee, etc.

His problem is all mental

exactly

I hope we do not choose to Drummond.

With him and Tyrus could make a psychiatric

[skratch]

1. Drummond (even tho he plays like he dont care)
2. Robinson
3. Jones III (high potential)
4. Davis (hype)

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

I dont want Barnes at all.....this guy has hurt his draft stock so much in the tourney especially these last few games...hes so overrated....dont kill me tar heels fans!

[BETCATS]

I'd say after today, Barnes might go back for another year.

1. Davis
2. PJ3 - I almost prefer him to Davis, but he isn't as consistent
3. Kidd-Gilchrist
4. Jared Sullinger - I love his game but he seems a little injury prone

Wild cards- Trade down/in if Kendall Marshall declares and get him. He is a real floor general with better court vision than anyone else in the draft.
Austin Rivers. As much as I hate him for the way he traveled v. UNC on that shot, I think he could be a real answer at point guard.

[Black]

I'd say after today, Barnes might go back for another year.

1. Davis
2. PJ3 - I almost prefer him to Davis, but he isn't as consistent
3. Kidd-Gilchrist
4. Jared Sullinger - I love his game but he seems a little injury prone

Wild cards- Trade down/in if Kendall Marshall declares and get him. He is a real floor general with better court vision than anyone else in the draft.
Austin Rivers. As much as I hate him for the way he traveled v. UNC on that shot, I think he could be a real answer at point guard.

Why? Davis is better than him across the board, and like you said, he is wildly inconsistent.

[BETCATS]

Why? Davis is better than him across the board, and like you said, he is wildly inconsistent.

I just love PJ3's game. Davis and his unibrow are the prize of the draft, but I think PJ3 has more potential in the long run.

[TheDorkLord]

I dont want Barnes at all.....this guy has hurt his draft stock so much in the tourney especially these last few games...hes so overrated....dont kill me tar heels fans!

As a Tarheel fan I hate to say I agree with you. I've seen almost every game and Barnes has not shown he's an elite talent. I think it may be in him, but with Kendall out it was prime time for him to show what he is and carry the Heels on his shoulders... He didn't show up when we needed him most. Where is the fire he was supposed to have?

[stun704]

IMO if we miss out on davis we should go for players with the highest ceiling regardless of their "risk"
1)Davis
2)MKG
3)Drummond(even though he scares me)
4)Perry Jones III

[Mustachio]

Two things: I can't believe how many people in here don't think Davis is number one. which of course is fine its not like I have a crystal ball or anything, but if you watch Kentucky and don't think hes the best player on the floor despite being the 5th option, we watch basketball differently. game changer.

and also I totally disagree with the idea that Harrison Barnes needs to go back to school for another year. Thats preposterous. Going back to school wouldn't do anything but hurt his draft stock even more for next year. There isnt anything he could learn with another year in college that he couldn't learn in the NBA. Staying another year would simply stunt his growth. The only group that would benefit from Barnes staying another year is Tarheel fans.

[SWedd523]

I'm a Tar Heel fan and I'm ready for him to leave. He's been an utter disappointment and I think the team would've done better to NOT go his way during crunch time. I would much rather see Henson or Marshall come back.

[Mustachio]

I'm a Tar Heel fan and I'm ready for him to leave. He's been an utter disappointment and I think the team would've done better to NOT go his way during crunch time. I would much rather see Henson or Marshall come back.


I know no college fan wants to hear it. but Henson, Marshall and Zeller would all be better served leaving now.

[Chef]

I know no college fan wants to hear it. but Henson, Marshall and Zeller would all be better served leaving now.

particularly marshall, with no elite pg's in the draft he is almost guaranteed a lotto position.

[Mustachio]

particularly marshall, with no elite pg's in the draft he is almost guaranteed a lotto position.


and while we're at it. Macadoo too . I would love to get Davis at 1 and trade back up to late teens for Macadoo.

[SWedd523]

particularly marshall, with no elite pg's in the draft he is almost guaranteed a lotto position.

100% agree, though Butter could use another year working on rounding out his game on the college level. McAdoo would also benefit from a year of being the main offensive option because his touch around the rim and from range is atrocious.

[tondi]

Barnes will be far easier to replace than Marshall, Henson or Zeller next season. Bullock, MdDonald, and Hairston should have no problem producing similar numbers and they may actually do some rebounding and be able to dribble as well. Thinking the Heels need a low efficiency chucker who can't, rebound, dribble or raise his game when it matters is like thinking they need a hole in their head, especially when there are several other guys with the ability to do even more.

[skratch]

Barnes is a average role player at best in the nba, im happy pp are finally realizing what he is and i pray if we dont get the #1 pick we dont get him either, hes henderson 2.0, just a catch and shoot player on the wing, who cant create his own shot, needs a top pg to do all the work, UNC & duke are great for recruiting these types of players, who dont do nothing in the pros, because there system relies on the pg. Mag> barnes

[SWedd523]

Barnes will be far easier to replace than Marshall, Henson or Zeller next season. Bullock, MdDonald, and Hairston should have no problem producing similar numbers and they may actually do some rebounding and be able to dribble as well. Thinking the Heels need a low efficiency chucker who can't, rebound, dribble or raise his game when it matters is like thinking they need a hole in their head, especially when there are several other guys with the ability to do even more.

You could very easily say Bullock has been the better player this year. Better shooter, better rebounder, better with the ball in his hands, and didn't disappear in the tournament when the team needed him. at 6'7", he's big enough to play SF but has elite size and length for a SG at the next level.

Strickland/Leslie/PJ/Reggie can more than replace his production

[Mustachio]

100% agree, though Butter could use another year working on rounding out his game on the college level. McAdoo would also benefit from a year of being the main offensive option because his touch around the rim and from range is atrocious.


See thats what I'm saying. rounding your game out on the college level is taking a step backwards. If Butter (not sure who that is) or McAdoo can get drafted into the NBA, the best thing for them as players is to leave. Learning the college game helps you zero in the NBA. Any young player will learn and develop better in the NBA environment because its all basketball. The college game is so different and so much worse that its like saying Im gonna stay at McDonalds one more year before I take this job as a bank president. Its useless.

And Tondi and Skratch... i think its pretty unfair for all the tarheel fans I've seen Monday morning blaming Barnes for the team loss. you got beat by the better team period.

[ohara831]

Interesting change today. On Chad Ford's Big Board at ESPN.com, he has McAdoo ahead of Barnes now. McAdoo #7, Barnes #8. I can see McAdoo learning from Barnes by not staying another year and seeing his Draft Status go down like what happened to Barnes. He may very well be gone. Have to wait and see.

[SWedd523]

See thats what I'm saying. rounding your game out on the college level is taking a step backwards. If Butter (not sure who that is) or McAdoo can get drafted into the NBA, the best thing for them as players is to leave. Learning the college game helps you zero in the NBA. Any young player will learn and develop better in the NBA environment because its all basketball. The college game is so different and so much worse that its like saying Im gonna stay at McDonalds one more year before I take this job as a bank president. Its useless.

And Tondi and Skratch... i think its pretty unfair for all the tarheel fans I've seen Monday morning blaming Barnes for the team loss. you got beat by the better team period.

I think you're really underestimating the positive effects college can have on a player's development versus the professional game. But for the sake of getting back on topic, let's just leave it at that.

Robinson or Sullinger could work their way up into my top four if they measure out well, but I think my top three are pretty set for now.

[murphman]

Interesting update during the weekend. Draftexpress has moved Drummond back up to #2. He had fallen to #4 about a month ago. He has also dropped Barnes to #7 and moved Beal up to #5.

He wrote a long piece on Drummond last week and stated that while the tape on him will leave question marks (& was a reason why he dropped him in his rankings last month) , once the workouts begin the scouts are going to drool over his measurables, potential and athleticism.

Based on what I have seen this season, MGK is the true #2 on the board. I also am starting to love Sullinger and Robinson. Actually I love his rankings right now except I would drop Drummond back two spots.

http://www.draftexpress.com/index.php

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

1) AD
2) Uconn AD
3) Beal
4) Sullinger

Drummond just there on potential though

[tijo]

1. Unibrow
2. Kidd-Gilchrist
3. Drummond
4. Robinson

Any list that has H. Barnes on it is just pure homerism. He's not that good. Sullinger is made for the college game, but doesn't have the skills to pull it off against bigger, stronger, NBA people.

[BETCATS]

Sullinger is made for the college game, but doesn't have the skills to pull it off against bigger, stronger, NBA people.
Let's see how he does against Kansas and their big bodies before we draw that conclusion.

[anton273]

So beginning of the year this draft class had loads of potential but now it looks as if only 3/4 players are actually worth gettin?

1. Davis
2. Drummond
3. Robinson
4. MKD

[ohara831]

So beginning of the year this draft class had loads of potential but now it looks as if only 3/4 players are actually worth gettin?

1. Davis
2. Drummond
3. Robinson
4. MKD

I would not say that. There is a limit on franchise players, sure. Davis yes, MKG and a couple more are maybe's. But this is a deep Draft when you consider the players being NBA talent who can walk on and contribute as Rookies. There are a lot of good players. If we have a Top 2 pick, good chance at a Franchise player with our 1st and then a solid contributor with our 2nd pick. The more players who keep declaring, the more good players keep falling back into an area where we can get them with our 2nd.

[Mustachio]

I think alot of fluctuation during the tourney time is getting out of hand. The tourney performances will have very little effect on where these players actually get drafted. NBA scouts will take to mind that Harrison Barnes has had an underwhelming tournament so far, but will still draft him high because of NBA measureables, shooting ability and potential. You guys may be pissed he didn't take Carolina to the promise land with 40 points in every game... but NBA scouts could give a rats butt.

Kemba was BY FAR the best player in the 2011 tournament and he still fell all the way to 9.

[anton273]

So your saying Perry Jones III and Barnes will still go high just because of having a higher ceiling and what they can offer to nba? Will they get drafted higher than Beal n Lamb?

[ALong13]

My top 4...though after 2, there is a big gap from Kidd-Gilchrist to Drummond

1. Anthony Davis
2. Kidd-Gilchrist
3. Andre Drummond
4. Thomas Robinson

[skratch]

I wanna change my top 4
Beal
Robinson
Davis
Jones

I think beal is the real deal, he could be the star in charlotte

[Toocool]

I got no clue who Beal is.
Draftexpress and other websites, here I come!

[DashGlobal]

Beal's height scares me. If he was 6'6 that be awesome.

Im wary of drafting short / small players...

[Chef]

Beal's height scares me. If he was 6'6 that be awesome.

Im wary of drafting short / small players...

he is 6'4", that is fine for a sg.

oj mayo, eric gordon, wes matthews, james harden, wade, afflalo all between 6'3 and 6'5.

[Toocool]

he is 6'4", that is fine for a sg.

oj mayo, eric gordon, wes matthews, james harden, wade, afflalo all between 6'3 and 6'5.

Henderson, Ben Gordon (probably bad example, but he played nice in Chicago), Ellis.

[superb1]

updating my top 4

Davis
Beal
MKG
Robinson

[Keetch]

Davis
Henson
MKG
Rivers

If MKG stays in school as he says he will; then Beal.

I'd love to get Marshall in there too...He's much more ready than Rivers; who I wish had stayed in school.