My draft night trade prediction

[bbh2020]

This is just my guess, but DJA to Portland for a first round pick.

Here's why:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/portland-may-offer-first-round-picks-in-trade?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=portland-may-offer-first-round-picks-in-trade&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[Dcarnys]

I could see that going. The only problem I see is that Portland my feel that they have a logjam at PG.

[Chef]

the ultimate would be dj and their 2013 pick back for the nets pick.

[adam187]

the ultimate would be dj and their 2013 pick back for the nets pick.

along with cho texting a picture of his nutsack to paul allen for emphasis

[spectre]

along with cho texting a picture of his nutsack to paul allen for emphasis

:hysterical:

They only have Flynn & the Duke rook (Smith?) on contract for next season at PG and I see no way Felton gets invited back. I still think Crawful opts out as he said when he signed on that he would...but him opting in next season could screw them up by eating up space they would like to use for a difference maker (and one of the reasons Crash was available...oh yeah, and the pick LOL!). But he's not a PG at any rate.

That's going to be a lotto pick though...think they'd offer that for DJ? I don't think he can be talked to about an extension til July 1st, but maybe they'd do it for the right to match?

Dream scenario...right behind Chef's.

[Mustachio]

:hysterical:

They only have Flynn & the Duke rook (Smith?) on contract for next season at PG and I see no way Felton gets invited back. I still think Crawful opts out as he said when he signed on that he would...but him opting in next season could screw them up by eating up space they would like to use for a difference maker (and one of the reasons Crash was available...oh yeah, and the pick LOL!). But he's not a PG at any rate.

That's going to be a lotto pick though...think they'd offer that for DJ? I don't think he can be talked to about an extension til July 1st, but maybe they'd do it for the right to match?

Dream scenario...right behind Chef's.


Whoa whoa whoa. could this really happen? I mean was DJ mentioned several time at the deadline going to Portland so theres clear interest correct?

You guys are saying we could send them DJ Augustine and the 2013 first rounder for New Jersey's pick which will be in the top 5 probably? Meaning we could get rid of DJ, draft Davis and MKG/Barnes/Beal/Robinson/Drummond/Jones and still have our original first rounder in 2013???? Tradegasm. Cleanup on aisle Mustachio

[murphman]

If Portland keeps struggling like they are, their own pick will likely be in the 9-11 range. That might be the pick we can reasonably get for this trade scenerio you guys are talking about. I would do it in a heartbeat. Hell, Harrison Barnes may still be on the board then. Terrence Jones will probably be there also.

[Let's Go Cats 218]

Whoa whoa whoa. could this really happen? I mean was DJ mentioned several time at the deadline going to Portland so theres clear interest correct?

You guys are saying we could send them DJ Augustine and the 2013 first rounder for New Jersey's pick which will be in the top 5 probably? Meaning we could get rid of DJ, draft Davis and MKG/Barnes/Beal/Robinson/Drummond/Jones and still have our original first rounder in 2013???? Tradegasm. Cleanup on aisle Mustachio

That would be some of the "Cho Magic" that everyone keeps talking about. If he is as good as they all said he is, this would be proof.

[murphman]

That would be some of the "Cho Magic" that everyone keeps talking about. If he is as good as they all said he is, this would be proof.

Could also mean why Cho didn't pull the trigger last week. He may have gotten hints that better opportunities will come up on draft night.

[adam187]

we've already seen some cho magic:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=threewaydeal-110623

it sounds like cho had some sort of deal in place with the lakers for DJ, cleveland just undercut him with their deal, which the more i think about it, was really underselling (they took on a shitty contract in luke walton and gave up sessions for a very late pick). not much you can do about that.

[tondi]

Would do that in a heartbeat. Heck, I would give up DJ to anybody offering us any pick in the 1st round. Hopefully Cho can work another draft day miracle like last year. If we could end up drafting 1st, say 20th, and have the first pick in the second round that would be a nice influx of talent if we pick well, all for giving up somebody most of already know isn't going to be here next season anyway.

[Plowright]

Yeap Portland I will do that deal! Anyone run this past Portland on their boards? You never know their GM might see it and do it like The Memphi GM did with the signing of Arenas haha

[Jennings]

Don't we have to resign him first? When is his contract up?

[WAM9]

This would be the deal of a lifetime for us. I really can't believe that we could really pull it off but if we could...I am 100% onboard.

Any deal that doesn't kill our core and nets us a lottery pick in this upcoming deep draft is something I think any of us can get behind.

[KembaSlice]

Soooo would we go:

1 - Anthony Davis
9/10 - Tyler Zeller

2nd round - CJ Leslie

That'd give us:
PG - Kemba
SG - Hendo
SF - Leslie
PF - Davis
C - Smack/Zeller

We could even go big with Kemba, Hendo, Davis, Smack, and Zeller on the court together.

Nice set of young guys.

[QC Thundercats]

I was thinking that there was no way we could get a lottery pick for DJ, but looking at the top 100 prospects on http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/Top-100-Prospects, there are only 2 point guards in the top 30, and not even until 14 and 15. I don't remember there ever being such a terrible year for PGs, so some team desperate for one may be willing to send their pick for DJ.

Combining DJ with the Portland pick may very well net us a double dip into the lottery. Don't know if thats good enough to get the Nets pick from the Blazers though. But if we could pull that off, knowing our luck, the Nets would end up winning the lottery so that we couldn't get it this year, and our own pick would fall to number 4.

[Plowright]

Suns night also be looking for a new PG with Nash getting old. Maybe they trade him on the deadline for a pick with another team, then they give up their own pick for DJ in a 3 teamer?

But I think one of the reason we didnt make a move at the deadline is that we realised that DJ's price will go up near the draft

[murphman]

Draft express linked this chart that shows how much the production of draft picks drops off after #5, then it picks back up again. If that pick from Portland via NJ is #6, it may be just as good to just go after their own pick at #9-11. This chart is a great resource.

https://twitter.com/#!/tomhaberstroh/status/184630285613273088/photo/1/large

[spectre]

DX has Marshall & Rivers going late lottery. Think Portland would prefer DJ over those guys?

[murphman]

And yet another reason to try and do some kind of trade with Portland this year. Draft express is at the McDonalds All Star game watching the high school senior stars practice along with tons of NBA draft scouts:




Veteran NBA scout: "You can already see on first glance from a physical
standpoint that this group isn't as talented as years past."





NBA scout: "Two things that jump out about this class immediately are the
lack of prototypical positional size & perimeter shooting ability"





I've attended the last 5 straight McDonalds games. Never seen NBA guys so
down on the class. "Might not be more than 5-6 NBA players here."


Early indications is that the 2013 draft class may be weak. Giving Portland back their pick to get one this year looks better & better

[superb1]

Draft express linked this chart that shows how much the production of draft picks drops off after #5, then it picks back up again. If that pick from Portland via NJ is #6, it may be just as good to just go after their own pick at #9-11. This chart is a great resource.

https://twitter.com/#!/tomhaberstroh/status/184630285613273088/photo/1/large

this is great info and interesting

[anton273]

this is great info and interesting

I like what this is saying but its so hard to tell... Remember pick 2. Marvin Williams in 05?
Remember pick 3. Adam Morrison??

Rudy gay went 8th in 06, bynum went 10th in 05.

Yeah sometimes you get lucky later on like Dirk going pick 10 and Kobe pick 13. sometimes u end up picking wade,carter or duncan pick 5.

The graph looks nice but in reality YOU would rather have pick 5/6 then 9/10... going into a draft.

[adam187]

i like how the expected value of any draft pick past 50 is negative, like they are actively hurting the team just by showing up.

edit: also, i think the main point of the graph is just to show the importance of getting the #1 pick (ridiculously high value) or a top 5 (still significantly higher), in which case, we are on the correct path.

[Plowright]

Early indications is that the 2013 draft class may be weak. Giving Portland back their pick to get one this year looks better & better

Yes! Now if only Portland bury their head under the sand and not research into the draft until the next year we can make that trade... O wait they are rebuilding and will be looking at the draft classes for the next 3-4 years in complete and utter depth. They are not that stupid, come on now give them some respect

[QC Thundercats]

Yes! Now if only Portland bury their head under the sand and not research into the draft until the next year we can make that trade... O wait they are rebuilding and will be looking at the draft classes for the next 3-4 years in complete and utter depth. They are not that stupid, come on now give them some respect

I would tend to agree that for many teams, we shouldn't assume that they would do something stupid. But I don't think we should give too much credit to all teams in the league either. Some front offices do in fact have their head in the sand, or their priorities are so out of whack and they don't know what they're doing.

The Clippers gave up an UNPROTECTED first round pick just to give up Baron Davis, even though they were terrible and in the running for the top pick. Guess what, it ended up being #1. Instead of Chris paul, they instead could have had Irving on a cheap rookie deal to go along with Griffin, as well as kept Eric Gordon, Kaman, Aminu, Minnesotas 1st rounder, and cap space to sign another star this off season.

The Kings GM basically traded Biyombo at the 7th pick and a good backup pg for an aging, overpaid John salmons, and a worse pick for jimmer. Theres an article describing other boneheaded moves he's done too, it's quite amazing actually.

The Raiders traded TWO first round picks for a washed up Carson Palmer.

Shoot, we traded Chandler for nothing. Like Chandler or not, we should've gotten something more on top of that.

So I'm not saying that the Portland front office in particular is that bad, but we did take the brains of their office in Cho, and paul Allen wants to only hire his lackeys. All I'm saying is that there definitely are suckers to be had out there in the league, and we shouldn't just assume everyone does their homework.

[spectre]

I would tend to agree that for many teams, we shouldn't assume that they would do something stupid. But I don't think we should give too much credit to all teams in the league either. Some front offices do in fact have their head in the sand, or their priorities are so out of whack and they don't know what they're doing.

The Clippers gave up an UNPROTECTED first round pick just to give up Baron Davis, even though they were terrible and in the running for the top pick. Guess what, it ended up being #1. Instead of Chris paul, they instead could have had Irving on a cheap rookie deal to go along with Griffin, as well as kept Eric Gordon, Kaman, Aminu, Minnesotas 1st rounder, and cap space to sign another star this off season.

The Kings GM basically traded Biyombo at the 7th pick and a good backup pg for an aging, overpaid John salmons, and a worse pick for jimmer. Theres an article describing other boneheaded moves he's done too, it's quite amazing actually.

The Raiders traded TWO first round picks for a washed up Carson Palmer.

Shoot, we traded Chandler for nothing. Like Chandler or not, we should've gotten something more on top of that.

So I'm not saying that the Portland front office in particular is that bad, but we did take the brains of their office in Cho, and paul Allen wants to only hire his lackeys. All I'm saying is that there definitely are suckers to be had out there in the league, and we shouldn't just assume everyone does their homework.

Just got thru reading this Grantland piece on the Warriors:

How to Annoy a Fan Base in 60 Easy Steps (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7714701/how-annoy-fan-base-60-easy-steps)

Amazing.

Going off of QC's post on the 3 way with SAC & MIL...agreed that the Kings were pretty stupid doing what they did, but the Bucks made themselves look even dumber. They could have kept the 7th pick themselves without even including us...they got the cap relief they wanted in just dealing with SAC. Instead they swapped Bad Porn for Jax (as well as that 7th for the 19th) who pretty much showed his ass and forced them to dilute Bogut's value in the GSW trade they just did.

As bad as Jordan has been he still has a lot of screwups to go before he reaches other teams' levels.

[bbh2020]

Look at how Cho raped SAC and MIL with the last draft night trade.

Gave up Jax (now you see why) for a better player and teammate in Magette (expiring next year) and the 7th pick in the draft.

What a F'n deal for the Cats!

I don't doubt he will swing for the fences again and score!

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

Even if its for portlands pick and not the nets one id do some trade to send dj augustin there since he wants to go there and they want him...Wow if we could get anthony davis then in that range get a versatile guy like terrance jones or a jeremy lamb that'd be great

[Plowright]

Okay but i think Portland are firmly in rebuilding mode. They want flexability, draft picks and young players... Why would they take DJ on 7 mill at least a year when they can get Marshall on a rookie contract

[Chef]

Okay but i think Portland are firmly in rebuilding mode. They want flexability, draft picks and young players... Why would they take DJ on 7 mill at least a year when they can get Marshall on a rookie contract

until they trade LMA, wes matthews and batum they aren't in rebuilding mode as much as reloading mode. the three of them are good enough by themselves to keep the team in the 8-14 range which as we know doesn't do much at all. if they keep those three, i could see them taking a player like dj and trading every pick except nj's if it is top 7 for vet's. i could even see them trading nj's pick if it was say 5 for a legit all star level player.

do you think if the lakers don't win they would consider sending pau gasol for #5 and salary relief as part of a 3 teamer? or what about #5 to the knicks for tyson chandler and a future pick? either of those deals would instantly reload the blazers.

here is a thought i am sure everyone will veto but suppose we get davis at #1. portland calls and says dj, biz and 2013 back for nj's (let's say it is pick 5) AND portland's pick. would you do it?
right now that would drummond in a lot of mocks but just by sheer numbers it has to be one of thomas robinson, beal, mkg, drummond.

[superb1]

until they trade LMA, wes matthews and batum they aren't in rebuilding mode as much as reloading mode. the three of them are good enough by themselves to keep the team in the 8-14 range which as we know doesn't do much at all. if they keep those three, i could see them taking a player like dj and trading every pick except nj's if it is top 7 for vet's. i could even see them trading nj's pick if it was say 5 for a legit all star level player.

do you think if the lakers don't win they would consider sending pau gasol for #5 and salary relief as part of a 3 teamer? or what about #5 to the knicks for tyson chandler and a future pick? either of those deals would instantly reload the blazers.

here is a thought i am sure everyone will veto but suppose we get davis at #1. portland calls and says dj, biz and 2013 back for nj's (let's say it is pick 5) AND portland's pick. would you do it?
right now that would drummond in a lot of mocks but just by sheer numbers it has to be one of thomas robinson, beal, mkg, drummond.

agreed, I really don't think they are rebuilding, if that were the case they would want the draft picks not trade them away.

[BETCATS]

I'm not sure DJ is worth a late lottery pick to any team, considering that Austin Rivers/Kendall Marshall both have much more upside and are suppose to be around. But we'll see. One thing I am pretty certain of is that even Cho cant get the NJ pick.

[ohara831]

I'm not sure DJ is worth a late lottery pick to any team, considering that Austin Rivers/Kendall Marshall both have much more upside and are suppose to be around. But we'll see. One thing I am pretty certain of is that even Cho cant get the NJ pick.

Oh ye of little faith. Portland still needs a GM. Maybe Cho can sell them on Higgens? We trade them Rod, his son, DJA and our 2012 2nd for the NJ pick. Or instead of our 2012 2nd, give them back their 2013 1st.