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Brad
04-04-2012, 10:20 AM
I think people get too hung up on the high draft pick. Yes, that's going to come with tanking, but what they are attempting to do is bottoming-out from a financial standpoint. They are working to clear as much dead weight and cap space as possible and not accrue any future monetary commitments.

That is the goal.

spectre
04-04-2012, 10:29 AM
I think people get too hung up on the high draft pick. Yes, that's going to come with tanking, but what they are attempting to do is bottoming-out from a financial standpoint. They are working to clear as much dead weight and cap space as possible and not accrue any future monetary commitments.

That is the goal.

So you're saying basically that Jordan still believes in his draw to FA players vs the OKC model?

Mustachio
04-04-2012, 10:56 AM
I think people get too hung up on the high draft pick. Yes, that's going to come with tanking, but what they are attempting to do is bottoming-out from a financial standpoint. They are working to clear as much dead weight and cap space as possible and not accrue any future monetary commitments.

That is the goal.

I don't think the two things are mutually exclusive. Do we want to bottom out financially yes. Do we want a draft pick yes. I think they go hand in hand though and I think the draft pick is as important if not more important. Judging by the trade deadline flirtation I think Cho agrees. We considered taking on money for more draft picks, but in the end the deals weren't right.

anton273
04-04-2012, 11:49 AM
I think your missing the point here!

Jordan wants success with this team, i think if the right offers come in where we have to take on more money he will do it if it means we will be a championship side.

Right now we are no where near that level so he is saving money wherever possible, Diaw buy-out springs to mind. Does that help achieve Full Tank Mode? YES!!!

Rebuilding the team obviously means having to get rid of dead wood and save money (income will be lower for rubbish teams so the club has to save money somewhere).

Rebuilding is the goal not saving money

Brad
04-04-2012, 11:55 AM
Saving money is not the goal. Clearing cap space is the short term goal.

WAM9
04-04-2012, 12:22 PM
I think people get too hung up on the high draft pick. Yes, that's going to come with tanking, but what they are attempting to do is bottoming-out from a financial standpoint. They are working to clear as much dead weight and cap space as possible and not accrue any future monetary commitments.

That is the goal.

While you are right that they aren't wanting to acquire any long term contracts so they will have financial flexibility in the future, the short term goal is to acquire a couple of top 3 kind of young talent that only comes with being bad and getting high lottery picks. I have heard Cho personally say that when he took the job here the OKC model was the plan and that nothing has changed. High draft picks in this upcoming draft and probably the next, are the next step to our rebuild for sure.

Scottley Crue
04-04-2012, 12:27 PM
I think Cho is making sure he has plenty of options open to rebuild this team. I don't know that any one is vastly more important than the other, but obtaining high draft picks (and with that, hopefully core pieces to your team that are less expensive and can be retained easier than obtaining a free agent) and clearing cap space are very good tactics to use. Having cap space to take on lop-sided trades; being a home for promising young talent that can be had for a song from luxury-cap strapped teams...using all these options are smart.

I do like the idea of getting well below the cap now, since the new CBA rules will kick in soon and most likely lower it and the luxury tax line as well. There will be teams hurting to get rid of talent to get below the more punitive luxury tax and the 'Cats could (and will, I believe) position themselves to help out these teams out, and in turn, help us out. Keeping all these options in play to improve is a very smart move in my book.

Brad
04-04-2012, 02:20 PM
The three remaining albatrosses are Diop, Maggette and Thomas. Diop and Maggette have a year left, and I think it's possible Diop gets amnestied this coming season. Thomas will be hard to move, however.

dav7z
04-04-2012, 03:30 PM
The three remaining albatrosses are Diop, Maggette and Thomas. Diop and Maggette have a year left, and I think it's possible Diop gets amnestied this coming season. Thomas will be hard to move, however.

I really think TT is gone . If we draft A Davis he has no purpose at all. Mully is thriving at the power foward position. I really don't think he can play the three good enough to be effective.

spectre
04-04-2012, 05:06 PM
I really think TT is gone . If we draft A Davis he has no purpose at all. Mully is thriving at the power foward position. I really don't think he can play the three good enough to be effective.

How'd you like that foul he made last night right when the clock was running down to 0, the backup PG was just crossing half court and Tyrus frigging fouls him.

I really question his BBIQ...and we don't need guys with low IQ on the team.

Thing is it's going to cost us regardless. I think you have to keep playing the knucklehead and hope he gets to some semblance of last year...which could possibly get some team to bite and shave a year or so off in a trade.

I think that's best case scenario regarding Tyrus.

adam187
04-04-2012, 06:03 PM
other best case scenarios:

tyrus goes all ricky williams or something and retires to go smoke weed. or he decides life is too short to spend playing a game he doesn't understand and opens up a banging catfish joint in new orleans after agreeing to a significantly reduced buyout.

Scottley Crue
04-04-2012, 07:21 PM
How'd you like that foul he made last night right when the clock was running down to 0, the backup PG was just crossing half court and Tyrus frigging fouls him.

I really question his BBIQ...and we don't need guys with low IQ on the team.

Oh man...that about made my head explode. Tyrus has exceptional physical talent, but absolutely no idea how to use it. And he just doesn't show any possibilities of ever getting close to getting it. The amnesty clause is reserved for him, though maybe not next year. The big cap-room offseason will be next offseason, and if they can't unload him by then, I could see them pulling the trigger on him instead of a Diop, Carroll or Maggette since theirs expire after next season, too.

tondi
04-05-2012, 09:20 AM
Yeah, I can't see us amnestying TT and then having to pay somebody else just to make it to the salary floor. Since he probably wouldn't sign with anyone else for significant money that means we are paying him and whoever takes his place which seems highly unlikely with us hemorrhaging money.

dnbman
04-05-2012, 01:39 PM
I don't think the two things are mutually exclusive. Do we want to bottom out financially yes. Do we want a draft pick yes. I think they go hand in hand though and I think the draft pick is as important if not more important. Judging by the trade deadline flirtation I think Cho agrees. We considered taking on money for more draft picks, but in the end the deals weren't right.

This. There's no reason to over-simply when the process we're on now does a lot of positive things for Jordan: clears cap space, reduces pay-roll, and adds better odds of future talent.