The Official Moe Harkless Thread

[polarcat]

Moe Harkless
SF / 18 years old/ St. John's
6'8" / 208 lb
15.3ppg/ 8.6rpg/ 1.4 bpg
NBA Comparisons: Rudy Gay/ More slasher version of Joe Johnson with less range
http://cdn2.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/2561691/133211006_extra_large.jpg

I feel like as the draft nears, this kid's stock is going to propel him into the late lottery or mid teens. Knowing Cho's skills, I can see him landing us an additional pick in this range. If so, I am all aboard the Harkless Train. Landing Davis and Harkless would make me a very happy man. Throw in a Tayshaun Taylor/Draymond Green/J'Covan Brown with our 2nd round pick and it would go down as one of our best drafts.




http://youtu.be/NLQGHNgT7MI

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

Harkless isnt being talked about, hes real underrated from what ive heard....and hes so young and athletic he has a real high ceiling...i wouldnt mind him if we have another 1st rounder

[DashGlobal]

i would cream my pants if we landed Davis and Harkless! Not a good shooter but looks to have nice slashing ability.

[Mustachio]

I am officially obsessed with this guy. I think he is a better SF prospect than MKG. The stats are very comparable and MKG played on one of the best teams ever, while Moe played 32 minutes as a freshman on a terrible team.

I think Moe is the guy that will shock everyone and be one of the best players in this class. My new hope for the draft is to stay at 2 and somehow get into the lottery and grab Harkless. I want to take the BPA, but I really think we need to leave this draft with a big and a SF. T-Rob/Drummond and Moe would be amazing.

he gets a lot of questions about his shot, but I think the form is there just needs to work on consistency. anyone else head over heels about this guy?

[DashGlobal]

I am officially obsessed with this guy. I think he is a better SF prospect than MKG. The stats are very comparable and MKG played on one of the best teams ever, while Moe played 32 minutes as a freshman on a terrible team.

I think Moe is the guy that will shock everyone and be one of the best players in this class. My new hope for the draft is to stay at 2 and somehow get into the lottery and grab Harkless. I want to take the BPA, but I really think we need to leave this draft with a big and a SF. T-Rob/Drummond and Moe would be amazing.

he gets a lot of questions about his shot, but I think the form is there just needs to work on consistency. anyone else head over heels about this guy?

You could say im head over heels for Harkless. He has more upside and potential than MKG, and id prob go as far as to say he is more skilled also! I have no earthly idea why people are sleeping on him as a SF prospect!

I would do everything humanly possible to get another pick in the first round to get him. If not him Royce White and Quincy Miller are both great prospects as well.

Then pray to God John Jenkins is still on the board for our last pick.

[Mustachio]

You could say im head over heels for Harkless. He has more upside and potential than MKG, and id prob go as far as to say he is more skilled also! I have no earthly idea why people are sleeping on him as a SF prospect!

I would do everything humanly possible to get another pick in the first round to get him. If not him Royce White and Quincy Miller are both great prospects as well.

Then pray to God John Jenkins is still on the board for our last pick.

Glad I'm not alone. I honestly can't see why someone would consider MKG with the second pick. I don't see a difference anywhere except that MKG played on the National Champion loaded Wildcats and Moe played power forward on an undermanned team without its head coach for most of the season.

Playing out of position on a bad team in a very tough conference, without a coach this kid still won Big East Rookie of the Year. I also love Royce White. would be happy with either of those guys or BOTH. Where do you think we have to trade back into to get one of them? I think Moe is gonna sky rocket, so I'll say about 11.

[DashGlobal]

Glad I'm not alone. I honestly can't see why someone would consider MKG with the second pick. I don't see a difference anywhere except that MKG played on the National Champion loaded Wildcats and Moe played power forward on an undermanned team without its head coach for most of the season.

Playing out of position on a bad team in a very tough conference, without a coach this kid still won Big East Rookie of the Year. I also love Royce White. would be happy with either of those guys or BOTH. Where do you think we have to trade back into to get one of them? I think Moe is gonna sky rocket, so I'll say about 11.

Im afraid Moe will jump alot just like I thought Lillard would. I see mocks now with Lillard going 6th overall. I could easily see Moe jumping to around 10. But this draft is so loaded that I could easily see him still being there in the 15-20 range.

In a perfect world I hope for something like this.

Trade with Cavs for 4th and 24th.

Trade DJ and Portlands 13' pick to Phoenix for the 13th pick.

Trade Hendo to Boston for 21st pick.

Charlotte's 2012 Draft

4th - Bradley Beal

13th - Moe Harkless

21st - Quincy Miller

24th - John Jenkins

31st - Tyshawn Taylor

[Frosty06306]

Well think if Harkless was a Wildcat last year, and Gilchrist was a Red Storm. Harkless had more of an opportunity to show his talents on a team where he was the marquee player, while MKG was busy playing with 4 other potential draftees this year and had to share the limelight. I like Harkless but honestly if MKG was in that position I feel he could have done at least the same and possibly better than Moe did.

[DashGlobal]

Well think if Harkless was a Wildcat last year, and Gilchrist was a Red Storm. Harkless had more of an opportunity to show his talents on a team where he was the marquee player, while MKG was busy playing with 4 other potential draftees this year and had to share the limelight. I like Harkless but honestly if MKG was in that position I feel he could have done at least the same and possibly better than Moe did.

Not so sure about that.

MKG had had a hard time scoring in the half court on a loaded team and got the bulk of his points in transition and clean up baskets at point blank range. Imagine his difficulties if he was the focal point of the defense.

Harkless had a couple of dominant games where he single handily keep St Johns in the game. Go watch the Dook game where he scores 30 points.

[Mustachio]

Well think if Harkless was a Wildcat last year, and Gilchrist was a Red Storm. Harkless had more of an opportunity to show his talents on a team where he was the marquee player, while MKG was busy playing with 4 other potential draftees this year and had to share the limelight. I like Harkless but honestly if MKG was in that position I feel he could have done at least the same and possibly better than Moe did.


I think its the complete opposite way around. I think having a tremendous team around him made MKG appear better than he actually was. He had Anthony Davis playing with him, who literally affected every single play. It's easier to operate in an environment where you only get a certain amount of attention thats left over from what they give your teammates. And Harkless averaged more assist with less talent around him, and more steals with way less defensive help.

[Frosty06306]

Fair enough, I'll argue it could go either way though.

[Mustachio]

Fair enough, I'll argue it could go either way though.

Very true. Its a total crapshoot. Its not so much that I wouldnt take mkg its that I think him and harkless should be around the same area and mkg should not be considered at 2. I personally think thats what will happen come draft time. Moe will rise and mkg will drop.

[Mustachio]

Moe is being interviewed by the Bobcats tonight from 8:20-8:50. Impress em kid, or at least tell them how dumb it would be to use #2 on MKG.


@moe_harkless
Sheesh .. Interview schedule http://instagr.am/p/LiyPWhHER5/ (http://t.co/5IPbL5Mi)

[SWedd523]

Hopefully just as a trade down option, and I wouldn't at all be mad if we walked away with him and Lamb if we did go that route

[Mustachio]

Combine quotes:


@GoodmanCBS
Moe Harkless was very impressive here earlier today. Shot it well and played with intensity.


(https://twitter.com/#%21/NBAGuru)NBA Guru ‏@NBAGuru (https://twitter.com/#%21/NBAGuru) Moe Harkless swishing jumpers left & right. Also has a high release point. Very impressive. http://yfrog.com/nypj1oj (http://t.co/s1d1l1cF)

[DashGlobal]

Id take Moe over MKG all day

[Plowright]

Apparantly Moe Harkless is beginning to think his middle name is potential he has been asked about it so much haha. But yeah I like this kid if we trade down, he is definitely a sleeper

[Frosty06306]

I watched the SF, PF, and C groups today on ESPNU, and Harkless looked damn good. Out of curiosity how did you know what time his interview was at? Is there some sort of list for that and I'm not aware of. Either way I wouldn't mind if we traded into Harkless range in addition to our 2 pick. Robinson and Harkless would be good, and hopefully get a shooter with 31 if we can keep it.

[DashGlobal]

I watched the SF, PF, and C groups today on ESPNU, and Harkless looked damn good. Out of curiosity how did you know what time his interview was at? Is there some sort of list for that and I'm not aware of. Either way I wouldn't mind if we traded into Harkless range in addition to our 2 pick. Robinson and Harkless would be good, and hopefully get a shooter with 31 if we can keep it.

TRob + Harkless + Jenkins would be UNREAL!

Harkless is gonna climb into the lottery so I dont really see anyway to get him without trading our 2nd pick.

[Potato]

This guy is very impressive. I remember I was at the game this year when he played Duke and I said he had star potential. Hell, use the 2 on him.

[Mustachio]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/19360016/with-his-maturity-skilled-harkless-sets-himself-apart-from-nyc-forebears

good read on Harkless. Just something about him. I want him on this team.

[polarcat]

Rudy Gay v2.0...... bring it!

513

[DashGlobal]

Rudy Gay v2.0...... bring it!

513

Gay is a better shooter, but Harkless is better off the bounce.

[Mustachio]

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/moe_at_work_djZrae7jQ8kJqWzb4kwFAP

[Mustachio]

Bobcats hire St. Johns coach......:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::bi ggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

[polarcat]

I like in there that they say he has put on 15 pounds of muscle since his last college game. He was lanky and needed to add some bulk too.

[adam187]

anybody care to sell me on harkless over a guy who seems similar and was drafted last year, tobias harris (we actually traded this guy as part of our draft deal). i liked tobias harris last year, but he didn't do anything in the league (as far as i'm aware), although it has only been one year.

is there a reason to think harkless will be a significantly better player? i want to buy into him, so help me out.

[DashGlobal]

anybody care to sell me on harkless over a guy who seems similar and was drafted last year, tobias harris (we actually traded this guy as part of our draft deal). i liked tobias harris last year, but he didn't do anything in the league (as far as i'm aware), although it has only been one year.

is there a reason to think harkless will be a significantly better player? i want to buy into him, so help me out.

Just going off this vid he doesnt appear to be near as quick as Moe. Also looks like Moe is more athletic and def has a better handle.

Harris really didnt get much PT for the Bucks. 11 minutes is hardly anything. He still averaged 5 ppg. Play him 30 mpg and Id see him averaging 15 - 20 ppg.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve-aTHGhX8A

[Mustachio]

anybody care to sell me on harkless over a guy who seems similar and was drafted last year, tobias harris (we actually traded this guy as part of our draft deal). i liked tobias harris last year, but he didn't do anything in the league (as far as i'm aware), although it has only been one year.

is there a reason to think harkless will be a significantly better player? i want to buy into him, so help me out.

Well a glaring difference is that Moe is an inch taller than Harris. But you are right, body wise and measurables are similar. Both are long, athletic SF's. Generally across the board Harkless is a smidge better in every category, but they are very close, too close to make drastic statements about one of the other really.

I don't think its fair to right off Harris yet after one year, but there are a lot of similarities between these two guys. The only thing I can really offer on why he is better than Harris is production and how that production came about. Moe has better stats in almost every category, even if they are not great differences. Better rebounder, more assist, but the major difference is how they got those numbers. The reason I am so high on Harkless is his production on a team that only had 6 scholarship athletes. Moe was the best player on the team as a freshman and got the attention to prove it. To me thats much more impressive than what MKG did this year and to a certain extent what Harris did last year.

In summary I can't tell you why he will be signifcantly better. I just have the feeling that what he did at St Johns on a terrible team, facing terrible adversity will translate to the NBA. The young man got it done when everything around him said he shouldn't. I like that in a player, and especially when a player is coming to a team that rarely has things go its way.

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Scott Howard-Cooper ‏@SHowardCooper
A lot of good buzz for St. John's Moe Harkless, athletic 6-8 SF. Could get late-lottery. I had him 19 in my last mock. Will be moving up.

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