The Next Head Coach Thread (down to Shaw and Snyder)

[Chef]

we should hire him immediately.

[Mustachio]

I like SVG a lot. I think he's more important to the Magic than Dwights overrated giant ass.

BUTTTT. Hiring him wouldn't make sense for us. This team as is with Silas coaching can win 15-20 games if that was the goal. SVG is good but he isn't the final piece to a championship or anything and thats how he is going to get paid.

This team is lottery bound and paying him the salary he will command doesn't make sense... cause no matter how good a coach you are.. you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

[Proudiddy]

I don't think he is the guy that MJ sees as the coach to lead us into prominence. I think he's a good coach with x's and o's, but I think he isn't credible at all with NBA players and is constantly disrespected and undermined. I don't want him.

[dnbman]

No interest either.

[spectre]

I'd rather SVG than the other guys. Certainly more than the status quo.

[Scottley Crue]

Man...I think he's a superb coach and if the timing were different, I'd run as fast as I could to make a contract offer. It's just not quite time in the rebuilding process for a coach like him yet, I believe. Then again, coaches like him don't become available every day. Man, that's tough (if he'd come here) but I think it's really in the team's best interests to hold off right now.

I will say Van Gundy deserves waaaaaaaaaaaaay better than Orlando management and Dwight Howard. However, Orlando management and Dwight Howard DEFINITELY deserve each other.

Edit: Check that, now that I've read what I wrote and thought about it a few more seconds, if he'll do it and is fine working with a rebuilding team, then hire him immediately if not sooner. This will be my only Dwight Howard decision-making impression of this thread.

[ziggy]

I may rename this thread "who should be the next bobcats coach". So that we can have a catch-all for discussion for all future candidates.

With that being said, how do you guys feel about Nate McMillan?

[dnbman]

I may rename this thread "who should be the next bobcats coach". So that we can have a catch-all for discussion for all future candidates.

With that being said, how do you guys feel about Nate McMillan?

I'm wondering if he has the patience for a young team. Felton isn't the only pg to have problems with Nate riding him.

[Chef]

how is svg not a good coach for us. he gets players to collectively play like an nba team. our coaches suck ass. LB got us playing well despite being one of the worst coaches i have ever seen. svg is a much much better coach than lb at this point in time. hiring him with the understanding that we are building a future contender would be one of the best things for biz, kemba and whoever we draft this year that we could do.

[dnbman]

how is svg not a good coach for us. he gets players to collectively play like an nba team. our coaches suck ass. LB got us playing well despite being one of the worse coaches i have ever seen. svg is a much much better coach than lb at this point in time. hiring him with the understanding that we are building a future contender would be one of the best things for biz, kemba and whoever we draft this year that we could do.

There just seems to be too much sub-plot with him. Granted, his had several player that create sub-plots on their respective teams. I'm just not a big fan. That being said, I don't really have anyone in mind that I think would be a better option, so maybe bring him in.

[ziggy]

I'm not a fan of Van Gundy but i would rather have him over an unproven Stephen Silas.

[Mustachio]

With that being said, how do you guys feel about Nate McMillan?

I don't understand how he has any appeal what so ever. I think hes kind of a bum coach. never been out of the first round. couldn't control a pretty docile Portland team. Keep him away from here. Rather see new blood than tired old tricks that don't get you out of the first round.

[Mustachio]

how is svg not a good coach for us. he gets players to collectively play like an nba team. our coaches suck ass. LB got us playing well despite being one of the worse coaches i have ever seen. svg is a much much better coach than lb at this point in time. hiring him with the understanding that we are building a future contender would be one of the best things for biz, kemba and whoever we draft this year that we could do.


So the only coach in the world to ever win an NBA and NCAA championship is the worst coach you've ever seen??? I don't like the guy either but c'mon... he's a hell of a coach.

I think the best thing we can do for biz/kemba and whoever we draft this year is get a coach with potential just like these players. Some one ... anyone please tell me who Scott Brooks was before he grew up and matured with the current crop in OKC? Anyone?

[dnbman]

So the only coach in the world to ever win an NBA and NCAA championship is the worst coach you've ever seen??? I don't like the guy either but c'mon... he's a hell of a coach.

I think the best thing we can do for biz/kemba and whoever we draft this year is get a coach with potential just like these players. Some one ... anyone please tell me who Scott Brooks was before he grew up and matured with the current crop in OKC? Anyone?

I don't need a young coach, but I do want one who is good at developing young talent.

[Proudiddy]

Silas seems to have more credibility with players than SVG. I don't ever recall any players crediting SVG with developing them or helping them with skills, or giving him credit for anything else either. Everywhere he's been players have come out and mocked him and undermined him. That is not what we need here. I have nothing against him, in fact, I think he's an excellent coach as far as strategy as I mentioned above... But, I just don't think he'll ever succeed in this league, and that is more of a testament to the current mindset of players than anything he has or hasn't done as a coach.

[BETCATS]

I dont want Van Gundy or D'Antoni because their systems dont work. Run and Gun with a high assist ratio from the point guard failed in Phoenix and New York. Three point shooters + dominate center failed in Miami and Orlando. Show me the rings if you disagree. Those teams do great in the regular season, but in the playoffs a balanced team will always be able to stop them.

We need a balanced coach. Don't blame Silas for this shit of a season, when he had Gerald/Jackson the team actually won some games. Silas is at least being positive with the young guys and he tried to get the most out of players. We were designed to become a terrible team by Cho, it is part of the process.

[BETCATS]

Some one ... anyone please tell me who Scott Brooks was before he grew up and matured with the current crop in OKC? Anyone?
He was on the 76ers in the early 90s. The only way I know that is because when I was a kid the $2.99 grab packs of random basketball cards at target always had one of his cards in it, and every time I got one I asked myself "who the f**k is this?" ^-^ When he got hired by OKC I spazzed.

[Chef]

So the only coach in the world to ever win an NBA and NCAA championship is the worst coach you've ever seen??? I don't like the guy either but c'mon... he's a hell of a coach.

I think the best thing we can do for biz/kemba and whoever we draft this year is get a coach with potential just like these players. Some one ... anyone please tell me who Scott Brooks was before he grew up and matured with the current crop in OKC? Anyone?

what i saw of him WHILE WITH THE BOBCATS was one of the worst coaching jobs i have seen. at no point during his tenure was ever impressed with anything other than our defense. he is/was a temperamental egotistical asshole. his coaching style is grating and off putting.

however, ray and crash both said they liked him but both of their actions did not show this especially at the end of his stay here.

the problem with comparing any team to the "okc model" is that it completely discounts the fortunes they had in the draft. they have an absolutely loaded team. 1 top 5 player, 1 top 15 player, 6th man of the year, best shot blocker/top defender. just wait until this year (just like last year) at the end of games, the thunder are not very good at all coming out of timeouts. i am not sold on scott brooks being a great coach.

[Chef]

I dont want Van Gundy or D'Antoni because their systems dont work. Run and Gun with a high assist ratio from the point guard failed in Phoenix and New York. Three point shooters + dominate center failed in Miami and Orlando. Show me the rings if you disagree.



2006 heat champs, magic were runners up, suns were not far off on several occasions particularly the nash/horry body check suspensions.

this is a question. van gundy was not incharge of putting the pieces on the floor ie gm in any situation right? if not, can you blame him for utilizing the talent to its strength?

[Mustachio]

what i saw of him WHILE WITH THE BOBCATS was one of the worst coaching jobs i have seen. at no point during his tenure was ever impressed with anything other than our defense. he is/was a temperamental egotistical asshole. his coaching style is grating and off putting.

however, ray and crash both said they liked him but both of their actions did not show this especially at the end of his stay here.
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Oh i basically agree that he didn't work here, and that he is kind of a douchebag...and he quit on us. And when he came out and said Davis will make his team a 50 win team regardless of where he lands, reminded me of when he coached here he would GUSH about other players and then just start and the floor and hem and haw when asked about our guys. Just saying that worst coach ever, is a bit much.


the problem with comparing any team to the "okc model" is that it completely discounts the fortunes they had in the draft. they have an absolutely loaded team. 1 top 5 player, 1 top 15 player, 6th man of the year, best shot blocker/top defender. just wait until this year (just like last year) at the end of games, the thunder are not very good at all coming out of timeouts. i am not sold on scott brooks being a great coach

You are making my point for me. This discredits your desire for SVG or McMillan or any proven name that comes along for a gigantic price. You are basically saying that as long as you get lucky in the draft, it doesn't matter if the coach has won 156 world championships or starting his first gig... if the players are good and believe in the goal and respect the coach, then it doesn't matter who it is. Thats why I like Stephen to take over next year. He's got the respect of the players, knows his X's and O's, and understands where we are at and how much he is worth. I think thats a better idea to start with these young players, than to bring in a guy with a set system and a set ego to match.

Many here seem to think the Silas name is nepotism at its finest, but I actually see it as a hurdle. You have to work twice as hard to appear even semi confident when you have that high of expectations around you. I think we have a good potential coach right under our noses, and are at the right place and time to start with him.

[Chef]

Oh i basically agree that he didn't work here, and that he is kind of a douchebag...and he quit on us. And when he came out and said Davis will make his team a 50 win team regardless of where he lands, reminded me of when he coached here he would GUSH about other players and then just start and the floor and hem and haw when asked about our guys. Just saying that worst coach ever, is a bit much.

i guess i should have clarified that: worst coach with rep of his stature that i have ever seen. i thought we were getting gold and we got pyrite.




You are making my point for me. This discredits your desire for SVG or McMillan or any proven name that comes along for a gigantic price. You are basically saying that as long as you get lucky in the draft, it doesn't matter if the coach has won 156 world championships or starting his first gig... if the players are good and believe in the goal and respect the coach, then it doesn't matter who it is. Thats why I like Stephen to take over next year. He's got the respect of the players, knows his X's and O's, and understands where we are at and how much he is worth. I think thats a better idea to start with these young players, than to bring in a guy with a set system and a set ego to match.

Many here seem to think the Silas name is nepotism at its finest, but I actually see it as a hurdle. You have to work twice as hard to appear even semi confident when you have that high of expectations around you. I think we have a good potential coach right under our noses, and are at the right place and time to start with him.

no, i am not agreeing with that point. i think the thunder would be much better if scott brooks wasn't their coach. if they had a coach like pop or rivers they would be better. what i am saying is different coaches are needed at different points in a team's life. a young team needs a harder coach who is also a developer while a vet team needs a coach who is tough when they need it, not grating but a an excellent tactitian. i think svg would make a great coach for a young rebuilding team where ego's are in check. and the two players who have challenged svg are shaq and howard, (if, and please god make it so) we get davis, i don't see davis, kemba or biz having the ego of those two.

btw: watch this clip. absolutely crazy. howard is absolutely killing his "brand" which he is supposedly concerned with most

http://www.nba.com/magic/video/2012/04/05/040512svghowardfiredreportsm4v-2057675/index.html

[Icky Thump]

Silas seems to have more credibility with players than SVG. I don't ever recall any players crediting SVG with developing them or helping them with skills, or giving him credit for anything else either. Everywhere he's been players have come out and mocked him and undermined him. That is not what we need here. I have nothing against him, in fact, I think he's an excellent coach as far as strategy as I mentioned above... But, I just don't think he'll ever succeed in this league, and that is more of a testament to the current mindset of players than anything he has or hasn't done as a coach.


THIS....

I don't know a whole lot about SVG. I'll take Chef's word that he is a good coach HOWEVER, what I do know is it seems he has a hard time getting a number of his players to respect him and in turn I don't think that allows him to be a great coach. Just going off of what I've seen. Seems like he must be very grating or something to have his players turn on him the way they have at times. That doesn't seem like it would work especially with young guys. Who knows though...

[BETCATS]

2006 heat champs, magic were runners up, suns were not far off on several occasions particularly the nash/horry body check suspensions.

this is a question. van gundy was not incharge of putting the pieces on the floor ie gm in any situation right? if not, can you blame him for utilizing the talent to its strength?
2006 heat champs were coached by Pat Riley, who had a different system and did a roster overhaul the summer before. Shaq and Wade both wanted him fired.

Compare the Magic with the Lakers and Celtics teams that beat them during their best runs in the playoffs. Both played lock down defense and a different type of offense. Van Gundy's model doesnt work. Plus besides Reggie Williams/DJ Augustin we don't have any 3 point shooters, and both of them are marginal at best.

And the Suns were always getting stopped by the Spurs. 'Close' doesn't mean much to me because it is over and the results are in. No rings.

[spectre]

I don't think Larry Brown was an excellent coach; what he is/was great at was teaching the game. When players buy in and let him mold them you get a team that goes from middling/below average in D to 1st in the league.

What more could you want when you're running young'ins like we are? "Playing the Right Way" isn't just some bullshit catch line.

Course there was all that other baggage like being too much a wannabe GM.

I want a coach who can develop the kids...and that IMO is the very most important thing our coach could do right now. I don't know who that is, but I definitely think Nate isn't the guy (Blazers' fans complain about him not playing guys to their strengths...his way or the highway). D'antoni is IMO a fluke coach. I still think defense wins championships and I don't think he'd take us far enough.

I hate the Silas' boys as it's well known.

I don't know that SVG could be a great developer of talent...but as was said he certainly molded ORL to a system that was smart and it works for the most part. To me that's more cred than any of those mentioned for what we need right now.

[SWedd523]

Stan Van Jeremy and BJ Mullens should get together and make a film adaptation of "7 Feet of Smooth"





On second thought, no they shouldn't

[Mustachio]

I don't think Larry Brown was an excellent coach; what he is/was great at was teaching the game. When players buy in and let him mold them you get a team that goes from middling/below average in D to 1st in the league.

What more could you want when you're running young'ins like we are? "Playing the Right Way" isn't just some bullshit catch line.

Course there was all that other baggage like being too much a wannabe GM.

I want a coach who can develop the kids...and that IMO is the very most important thing our coach could do right now. I don't know who that is, but I definitely think Nate isn't the guy (Blazers' fans complain about him not playing guys to their strengths...his way or the highway). D'antoni is IMO a fluke coach. I still think defense wins championships and I don't think he'd take us far enough.

I hate the Silas' boys as it's well known.

I don't know that SVG could be a great developer of talent...but as was said he certainly molded ORL to a system that was smart and it works for the most part. To me that's more cred than any of those mentioned for what we need right now.


So to recap, you hate every coach out there and want to do it yourself. haha kidding. But i still dont know exactly why you HATE the Silas boys.

[ziggy]

I've always thought that this guy would make someone an excellent head coach, but there is no way in THE HELL that Jordan would hire him... just no way.

http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-tough/files/2011/06/bill-laimbeer-thumb-299x224-342650.jpg

[Chef]

2006 heat champs were coached by Pat Riley, who had a different system and did a roster overhaul the summer before. Shaq and Wade both wanted him fired.


that's curious because svg went 11-10 that year before wade and shaq quit on him and then riley finished 41-20. so obviously a complete overhaul of the roster 21 games into the season never happened. it is also curious that the exact same roster went 59-23 the year before and lost in the ECF in 7 to the defending champions while having the 5th best offense and 6th best defense in the league.

[adam187]

P.J. Carlesimo anyone? Just kidding.

SVG's system, whether you like it or not, is probably the only thing that kept LeBron's Cavs from getting a ring (ruining basketball in Cleveland) and ripped the hearts out of the Bobcats (ruining basketball in Charlotte). I think he's too honest and too big of a personality to bring in for the Bobcats right now. I'd rather have a more low key coach for the team.

So either bring in Phil Jackson (you can do it MJ!) or I'd like to let Stephen Silas run it for a bit. Worst case scenario is that he's not the right fit while we're rebuilding and we keep getting good draft picks and we make the jump with a new coach when we're ready to make the jump with the team as a whole.

[Twan's Kin]

Stan Van Gundy would be coveted by a lot of NBA teams and a lot NBA owners willing to pay the big bucks. He wouldn't want to coach the Bobcats anyway.

[Scottley Crue]

Here's another reason to go after SVG...he's got skillz:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21cE2aUbWB0&feature=fvst


Seriously though, would love to have him but I'd bet Stephen Silas is the guy and I'm fine with that as well.

[TheBeagle]

Stan Van Jeremy and BJ Mullens should get together and make a film adaptation of "7 Feet of Smooth"





On second thought, no they shouldn't :)

Tom Thibadeaux (sp?) He's close to usurping Pop as my #1 coach. And as unlikely that as it is that he'd come here, it's more likely than Pop coming here, plus Chicago hasn't given him an extention that I know of....for some insane reason.

Most likely, if it isn't the Silases still, it's going to be another transition coach who won't be here by the time we're comeptitive again. Maybe try someone "outside the box" who has some experience but has never been a head coach in the league before. I know this backfired with Biscuit, but this time, do some research and not just pick a name from Jordan's friend's list, and with Cho in place, I feel a lot safer.

[BETCATS]

that's curious because svg went 11-10 that year before wade and shaq quit on him and then riley finished 41-20. so obviously a complete overhaul of the roster 21 games into the season never happened. it is also curious that the exact same roster went 59-23 the year before and lost in the ECF in 7 to the defending champions while having the 5th best offense and 6th best defense in the league.
The roster overhaul happened over the summer, so did rumors of Riley's return. They brought in Antonie Walker, Jason Williams, Posey, Gary Payton, Kapono, and Derek Anderson. Riley just felt like he needed to give Van Gundy a chance.

The thing is, during the regular season a Van Gundy or D'Antoni works great. A team playing and preparing for one game against them will have a hard time if all cylinders are clicking. But in the playoffs 7 games v one team who has time to prepare it is beatable because you can contain a 2 trick pony. His offense simply isnt dynamic enough.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

i would not mind stephen silas...hes young and is good with our players....and he isnt too expensive...why bring in a coach like SVG who will ask for alot of money to a team that isnt in championship contention? Atleast give stephen silas a chance

[cltblkhscoach]

Stephen Silas all the way, he's already developing our young kids, keeps the message consistent and the system installedcan continue to be built upon. Its been proven he can develop players and the players seem to respect his message.

I can understand the hate for Paul, but he went 25-29 last year after LB left and to be fair, he didnt come on for a full rebuild, he signed on with the thoughts of turning the team around and making the playoffs, which he almost did. Paul is probably my favorite coach of all time, but i hope he moves to a director of player personnel position before retiring in a couple of years.

[Dcarnys]

I'm all for Stephen Silas. Heck I'd be okay with another year of Paul Silas at the helms. I have to admit I feel bad for the guy, he comes in last year and turns the team around. They extend his contract and thats when we trade Wallace and go into a rebuild mode. I'm not trying to attack Jordans decision but I do think the FO screwed Paul Silas over.

[spectre]

So to recap, you hate every coach out there and want to do it yourself. haha kidding. But i still dont know exactly why you HATE the Silas boys.

And we were just starting to get along...

As far as the team winning more once Silas took over last year? See the Knicks/Portland this season. Most teams have a resurgence when a coach causing issues with the players gets canned/leaves. Thing is it doesn't last.

For all the talk about how LB held DJ down...look at his stats. Other than that little resurgence run his numbers are still subpar. Pumping up players' confidence is all well and good but it only gets you so much...and from where I sit it hasn't made anyone a better basketball player.

We lost Jackson...who has always been an average volume scorer. We lost Kwame. In turn we added two very talented rookies. We added Mully. There is NO WAY we should have fell from a mid 30s win team to where we are now. If Silas ran Kemba out there as much as he did Jackson and gave him the same green light I think he'd get us better overall production (not advocating that). Add in what we get outta Bad Porn and it's at least equal. Is the dropoff from Kwame to Smack and Mully worth 20 something wins?

Silas runs very few plays; he's said as much himself. He jerks the players around (youth movement: Kemba starts...for ONE GAME!). Look how he jerked Smack around. He continually pumps DJ yet it's pretty damn obvious DJ is not a leader and this team desperately needs one. It's also MIGHTY coincidental that DJ is sucking total ass until he's forced to come off the bench for one game...then all of a sudden he's playing better. Silas then rewards that by starting him the very next game.

Way to hold players accountable coach.

Look at how many games we've lost by 30+. Know how many games we lost by 30 or more our very first season? ONE. Someone PLEASE explain to me how Cory Alexander, Primoz and Malik Allen were better players than what we have now. Why did that group fight so hard to stay in games for Bernie yet Silas' team gets continually blown out? Silas has more talent (best players Bernie had was Mek with a 16.3 PER & Crash with a 14.1 PER) yet he can't get near the production.

I don't buy that Silas is tanking on purpose...too much body of work saying this is what he is. Whatever Silas used to be he's nothing like that now.

That's why I hate the Silas boys and why I want them gone.

[Chef]

Stephen Silas all the way, he's already developing our young kids, keeps the message consistent and the system installedcan continue to be built upon. Its been proven he can develop players and the players seem to respect his message.

i haven't seen much development at all. kemba is still a volume scorer, biz is still not an offensive threat, dj hasn't improved at all. and on top of this we look like we have very little plans to each game. we look more like an IM team just kinda showing up and tipping it up.

[cltblkhscoach]

How fast do you expect these guys to develop? Development takes offseasons, training camps, etc....which we haven't had with these rookies. Biz has started to show flashes of an offensive game, and actually I'd credit that to Rob Werdann, the team's big man coach. Kemba has done better at times in running the team, but hell he's still a rookie. As for DJ, his knee injury has been well chronicled. In his 4th year he is what he is - he's best supporting a volume scorer or scorers probably as a #3 option. Against the teams like the Pistons and Raptors, they've been competitive lately. In fairness, most teams in the league have the same damn game plan - pick and roll, and several options off of it. I watched some of ESPN's coverage of the Final 4, and Bob Knight blasted teams for turning the game into this. And I agree, one team I do like to watch offensively are the Celtics - they run a lot of old school offense and it's beautiful to watch when Rondo is on.

Spectre, come on man. Maggette has been out half the season, Biz is a project and we all know that. Kemba and Mullens are both basically rookies. DJ is fragile and Paul is trying to manage his confidence in the case we don't move him next year and he plays out the last year of his deal. That 1st year team had a good veteran point guard in Brevin Knight, Okafor was decent in the post, and Primoz was a better developed Mullens. Not to mention Gerald was developing and we had a decent shooting guard in Keith Bogans. A lot more veterans on that team, and that makes a huge difference compared to a team with a lot of rookies and young players. If anything, one change we have to make next season is bringing in a couple of proven veterans at a good cost to help teach these guys the game - Jamison would be great for this.

All that being said, if you don't like the Silases, cool, but either way I think by Stephen will be this team's next head coach.

[ND22]

I just feel kind of meh about our coaching situation in general. I used to be on the Stephen Silas train, but this season has left a foul taste in my mouth. On top of that, I don't hear a lot of praise or support for either coach from any of the players. When the losses have piled up, I don't see a lot of motivation.

But then I look at possible replacements. Nate McMillan, no. Stan Van Gundy, wouldn't work here. So who are we left with? Some assistant that we hope turns out to be the next Tom Thibodeau? Which I guess, is who we hope Stephen Silas becomes.

My point is, no option excites me or gives me the sense that they could be our long term option.

[Mustachio]

And we were just starting to get along...

As far as the team winning more once Silas took over last year? See the Knicks/Portland this season. Most teams have a resurgence when a coach causing issues with the players gets canned/leaves. Thing is it doesn't last.

For all the talk about how LB held DJ down...look at his stats. Other than that little resurgence run his numbers are still subpar. Pumping up players' confidence is all well and good but it only gets you so much...and from where I sit it hasn't made anyone a better basketball player.

We lost Jackson...who has always been an average volume scorer. We lost Kwame. In turn we added two very talented rookies. We added Mully. There is NO WAY we should have fell from a mid 30s win team to where we are now. If Silas ran Kemba out there as much as he did Jackson and gave him the same green light I think he'd get us better overall production (not advocating that). Add in what we get outta Bad Porn and it's at least equal. Is the dropoff from Kwame to Smack and Mully worth 20 something wins?

Silas runs very few plays; he's said as much himself. He jerks the players around (youth movement: Kemba starts...for ONE GAME!). Look how he jerked Smack around. He continually pumps DJ yet it's pretty damn obvious DJ is not a leader and this team desperately needs one. It's also MIGHTY coincidental that DJ is sucking total ass until he's forced to come off the bench for one game...then all of a sudden he's playing better. Silas then rewards that by starting him the very next game.

Way to hold players accountable coach.

Look at how many games we've lost by 30+. Know how many games we lost by 30 or more our very first season? ONE. Someone PLEASE explain to me how Cory Alexander, Primoz and Malik Allen were better players than what we have now. Why did that group fight so hard to stay in games for Bernie yet Silas' team gets continually blown out? Silas has more talent (best players Bernie had was Mek with a 16.3 PER & Crash with a 14.1 PER) yet he can't get near the production.

I don't buy that Silas is tanking on purpose...too much body of work saying this is what he is. Whatever Silas used to be he's nothing like that now.

That's why I hate the Silas boys and why I want them gone.


Haha we were starting to get on weren't we. To all this above, fair enough, I find it hard to argue any of it. I would agree (especially about yanking Kemba after one mediocre start... i thought he was supposed to be building confidence) BUT

I can't get past the idea that we are obviously tanking. you don't think thats the case and an argument could be made both ways. We don't know if he has talked to Kemba about all this and it isn't actually affecting his confidence. We don't know enough details, but I think the context clues show a pretty decisive tank. I personally think he's the inside man on this tank job. But we can agree Paul isn't going to work out long term.

But none of that is a really good excuse to hate Stephen, cept that they are blood. From all evidence we have of Stephen coaching, the team plays much better, much harder, much more organized, better lineups, better subs and better results (still loses but not blowouts ha) and he is just all around a more positive figure.

[spectre]

Haha we were starting to get on weren't we. To all this above, fair enough, I find it hard to argue any of it. I would agree (especially about yanking Kemba after one mediocre start... i thought he was supposed to be building confidence) BUT

I can't get past the idea that we are obviously tanking. you don't think thats the case and an argument could be made both ways. We don't know if he has talked to Kemba about all this and it isn't actually affecting his confidence. We don't know enough details, but I think the context clues show a pretty decisive tank. I personally think he's the inside man on this tank job. But we can agree Paul isn't going to work out long term.

But none of that is a really good excuse to hate Stephen, cept that they are blood. From all evidence we have of Stephen coaching, the team plays much better, much harder, much more organized, better lineups, better subs and better results (still loses but not blowouts ha) and he is just all around a more positive figure.

Hey, we're still getting along!

I'm not opposed to giving his kid a go next season so long as his pop isn't the assistant...else he might defer (just like a lot of us would). SVG ain't coming here and I don't see a lot of positives with those currently available.

[Chef]

How fast do you expect these guys to develop? Development takes offseasons, training camps, etc....which we haven't had with these rookies. Biz has started to show flashes of an offensive game, and actually I'd credit that to Rob Werdann, the team's big man coach. Kemba has done better at times in running the team, but hell he's still a rookie. As for DJ, his knee injury has been well chronicled. In his 4th year he is what he is - he's best supporting a volume scorer or scorers probably as a #3 option. Against the teams like the Pistons and Raptors, they've been competitive lately. In fairness, most teams in the league have the same damn game plan - pick and roll, and several options off of it. I watched some of ESPN's coverage of the Final 4, and Bob Knight blasted teams for turning the game into this. And I agree, one team I do like to watch offensively are the Celtics - they run a lot of old school offense and it's beautiful to watch when Rondo is on.

Spectre, come on man. Maggette has been out half the season, Biz is a project and we all know that. Kemba and Mullens are both basically rookies. DJ is fragile and Paul is trying to manage his confidence in the case we don't move him next year and he plays out the last year of his deal. That 1st year team had a good veteran point guard in Brevin Knight, Okafor was decent in the post, and Primoz was a better developed Mullens. Not to mention Gerald was developing and we had a decent shooting guard in Keith Bogans. A lot more veterans on that team, and that makes a huge difference compared to a team with a lot of rookies and young players. If anything, one change we have to make next season is bringing in a couple of proven veterans at a good cost to help teach these guys the game - Jamison would be great for this.

All that being said, if you don't like the Silases, cool, but either way I think by Stephen will be this team's next head coach.

i was responding to your post saying he has developed our young guys. no he hasn't. whether it is a time/practice issue or coaching is not the point. our young players are not developing, silas may or may not be at fault but he certainly can't get credit for developed youngs.

i don't know how much i would listen to bob knight. the nba has been pick and roll as the main focus for offense for 30 years. the celtics are a high screen team as a first option, they just run more off ball stuff and are blessed with an excellent pass first pg just like the suns.

[spectre]

How fast do you expect these guys to develop? Development takes offseasons, training camps, etc....which we haven't had with these rookies. Biz has started to show flashes of an offensive game, and actually I'd credit that to Rob Werdann, the team's big man coach. Kemba has done better at times in running the team, but hell he's still a rookie. As for DJ, his knee injury has been well chronicled. In his 4th year he is what he is - he's best supporting a volume scorer or scorers probably as a #3 option. Against the teams like the Pistons and Raptors, they've been competitive lately. In fairness, most teams in the league have the same damn game plan - pick and roll, and several options off of it. I watched some of ESPN's coverage of the Final 4, and Bob Knight blasted teams for turning the game into this. And I agree, one team I do like to watch offensively are the Celtics - they run a lot of old school offense and it's beautiful to watch when Rondo is on.

Spectre, come on man. Maggette has been out half the season, Biz is a project and we all know that. Kemba and Mullens are both basically rookies. DJ is fragile and Paul is trying to manage his confidence in the case we don't move him next year and he plays out the last year of his deal. That 1st year team had a good veteran point guard in Brevin Knight, Okafor was decent in the post, and Primoz was a better developed Mullens. Not to mention Gerald was developing and we had a decent shooting guard in Keith Bogans. A lot more veterans on that team, and that makes a huge difference compared to a team with a lot of rookies and young players. If anything, one change we have to make next season is bringing in a couple of proven veterans at a good cost to help teach these guys the game - Jamison would be great for this.

All that being said, if you don't like the Silases, cool, but either way I think by Stephen will be this team's next head coach.

How quick did Larry Brown get us from mediocre to 1st in defense? Bernie had his guys playing above their talent level the very first season.

All those guys were just as young as what we have now sans Knight. Crash was raw as hell. Bogans was mediocre (Hendo's WAY better) and Primoz...sorry but I hated him. Mully at least tries on defense. Can't tell you how many times I saw Primoz stand there and just watch a guy go right by him for a dunk. We did have Knight the "pure" PG (meaning he couldn't shoot for shit)...which brings up the leadership point...

I know DJ is fragile, but I don't agree with what your reasoning is saying why Silas is bending over so much for him. Assets...remember? At this stage Silas isn't going to get us anything more than what we'd get right now, and to me that looks like squat. After 4 years everyone knows what we know.

I'm not going to get into it too much cuz debating it won't change a damn thing. I do agree with needing some good veterans tho and I like Jamison...mainly because I think he could lead.

[BRNC]

There are a couple of head coaches in the D-league I like...they've had success in different situations (overseas as well as the D-league)...and with a young team I'd rather take a chance on an unproven head coach that "can" develope young talent rather than a retread (set in their ways...LB comes to mind) more consumed with ego rather than helping young player...I still think we screwed the pooch by not getting Collins though...MJ likes him and he's done a good job with the sixers...

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

like i said i think we gotta atleast give stephen silas a chance next season.....if not we need a guy who is great with young guys and can develop them....like someone said earlier LB made players buy into his system and we became the best defensive team in the NBA

[spectre]

To Stephen's credit he is the guy who writes up the plays currently. Maybe left to his own devices he could give the team some order and direction. And I'd keep the big man coach...regardless of why they're developing there's no doubt both Smack & Mully have improved over the course of the season.

[DashGlobal]

until we get some better talent in here it wont matter what coach u bring in.

[Toocool]

Let's get a bloody coach who can reign in Kemba's trigger happy head.
:facepalm:

Not hard to tell someone when they're not shooting well not to friggin shoot.

[spectre]

Let's get a bloody coach who can reign in Kemba's trigger happy head.
:facepalm:

Not hard to tell someone when they're not shooting well not to friggin shoot.

Thought the same thing. Reminded me of Bernie leaving Felton in just to see (I guess) how many TOs he could get...think he reached 11 in that game?

I don't think any of them were bad shots and I do think he got fouled a lot and it wasn't called...but Jesus.

[ziggy]

If the Bobcats win the lottery and gain the services of the unibrow, do you think his presence will be enough to draw a bigger name coach... Someone who might not otherwise be interested in our head coaching gig?

[murphman]

If the Bobcats win the lottery and gain the services of the unibrow, do you think his presence will be enough to draw a bigger name coach... Someone who might not otherwise be interested in our head coaching gig?

Bigger question is, would waiting until after May 30th to hire one put us at a disadvantage since other teams may have their guy by then?

[ziggy]

Via Rick Bonnell (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/04/28/3205610/bobcats-road-map-to-improvement.html)


If Silas isn’t retained, here are two names worth remembering: Nate McMillan, most recently with Portland, and Mike D’Antoni, most recently with New York. Also keep in mind that if Orlando’s Stan Van Gundy is fired, he has previously interviewed with Jordan (before Sam Vincent was hired).

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/04/28/3205610/bobcats-road-map-to-improvement.html#storylink=cpy


Hmmmm... Stan Van Gundy's name comes up again.

[Scottley Crue]

You know, I forgot SVG interviewed here before FHB happened. I just wonder if the Clippers will make him an offer he can't refuse. If not, it certainly wouldn't hurt my feelings to have him guiding this ship.

I wonder how Cho feels about Nate McMillan. He certainly has the NC ties, and if he's impressed Cho, he may be the guy. I can't say I'd be surprised if it happened. I'd be much more surprised if SVG was hired.

[Chef]

well you guys already know that i want svg here. to add to my first sentiment: if the magic are dumb enough to fire svg after making the pacers series competitive with the worst playoff roster in years, then i would gladly overpay for him if i were jordan.

[ziggy]

We have been thinking about this from Jordan's perspective but perhaps the question should be "who would Rich Cho hire as the next Bobcats head coach"

[Wolfpackbobcat]

I want a high ranking assistant from a successful coaching staff. A Thibodeau kind of hire.

[adam187]

Silas is out.

B.J. Evans ‏ @BobcatsBballPR Reply Retweeted Favorite · Open
Charlotte @bobcats President of Basketball Operations Rod Higgins will announces today that Paul Silas will not return as head coach.

[Plowright]

So the clean out has started. Paul Silas is not returning as head coach according to Rick Bonnell. Kind of saw this coming if you want me to be honest, with a season like ours I saw MJ wanting to do a clear out. I imagine Paul is just the first to fall victim to this, I think a lot of our players maye get moved in the off season for picks and other players. I wouldnt be surprised if it was only Kemba, Biz, Hendo, Mullens here next year (maybe RW) and we get a whole new crew in. Interesting considering most of the players sounded like they wanted Silas back. I hope they dont get Silas jr in, just too much stigma with the entire old coaching regime I think. Get in some new fresh blood.

[marino13882]

Give me McMillan

[adam187]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏ @WojYahooNBA Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
"From roster to salary to ownership, Charlotte will be offering one of the least appealing coaching jobs in modern NBA history."

Ouch. And with that said, I'd like to formally announce my candidacy for the position.

[Mustachio]

So the clean out has started. Paul Silas is not returning as head coach according to Rick Bonnell. Kind of saw this coming if you want me to be honest, with a season like ours I saw MJ wanting to do a clear out. I imagine Paul is just the first to fall victim to this, I think a lot of our players maye get moved in the off season for picks and other players. I wouldnt be surprised if it was only Kemba, Biz, Hendo, Mullens here next year (maybe RW) and we get a whole new crew in. Interesting considering most of the players sounded like they wanted Silas back. I hope they dont get Silas jr in, just too much stigma with the entire old coaching regime I think. Get in some new fresh blood.

the blood doesnt get any fresher than Stephen Silas and thats who I'd pick to replace his father.

And I say booo on this. Don't make Silas the scapegoat for a year we knew was going to be bad. I mean I'll wait till i hear an explanation and details before I get too worked up, but if we are going to be bad next year too, whats the point in bringing in a new guy and starting him off on the wrong foot?

Like I said I want Stephen Silas to get the shot next year. He is the freshest blood that has the most credentials and he knows the situation we see ourselves in. Plus who better to lead the team than a guy who wants to right his name? But that isn't going to happen if the let Paul go this quickly. but like I said, waiting on more details.

[Mustachio]

Give me McMillan


Why? must be his extensive playoff record, or maybe its his ability to keep a relatively docile roster under control... oh wait.

[Wolfpackbobcat]

Good. We need a whole new staff. No to his son.

[ammofan]

Bring on MDA, Lil Silas or SVG.

[marino13882]

Why? must be his extensive playoff record, or maybe its his ability to keep a relatively docile roster under control... oh wait.

I'm an NCSU guy.

[bozzy]

And I say booo on this. Don't make Silas the scapegoat for a year we knew was going to be bad.

I don't think people generally will see it that way considering the team lacked any talent to even compete. The team was awful and frankly I wouldn't wish another year of it on Silas anyways. There is only so much torture a coach should have to endure.

[CLTHornCats]

I'm of the opinion that Silas was gone regardless of the outcome this year. He was a stopgap and they knew that when they fired Brown, started gutting the team and hired Silas. They needed someone with a basic understanding of the roster and a willingness to try some things out with a young team while they evaluated talent. It's not fair to categorize Paul as a puppet but they hired him because they knew he wouldn't fight their new path to rebuilding, unlike LB.

Quite frankly, it doesn't matter who they hire unless they get an impact player in the lottery and a couple of pieces in free agency over the next few seasons.

[Mustachio]

I don't think people generally will see it that way considering the team lacked any talent to even compete. The team was awful and frankly I wouldn't wish another year of it on Silas anyways. There is only so much torture a coach should have to endure.


yeah i get it. You really just can't bring back a coach who had the worst record of all time. I'm not upset at all about Silas being out. I did think the players and himself were genuine when they said they wanted one more shot to make this right. but again, you get the worst record of all time, its hard to keep you on as coach. I get that.

And marino13882 ... I get that you're an NCSU guy and you want him because of that. but that reason isn't good enough. I'm a Bobcats guy, and I don't want anyone who has proven beyond a shadow of doubt that he can't get the job done. That guy just isn't good enough.

[Katmandu]

Quite frankly, it doesn't matter who they hire unless they get an impact player in the lottery and a couple of pieces in free agency over the next few seasons.

I agree that no coach is going to make them into a playoff team next year, but we do need to look for somebody that can develop young talent and we need them sooner rather than later. Biz and Walker need a lot of off season help - Thomas, too, assuming he sticks. I have no idea who that is. I hope Cho and Jordan.

[SirBobcat]

Via Rick Bonnell (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/04/28/3205610/bobcats-road-map-to-improvement.html)



Hmmmm... Stan Van Gundy's name comes up again.

Hired Fine Ham Biscuit over SVG!? ROTFLMAO EL OH EL!

[Mustachio]

I freaking love this quote by Cho -: "It's easy to go to a winning team. We want someone who sees this is a good challenge to build from the ground up.'' Thats the way I feel about players as well as coaches.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

I don't know why because I expected it, but Silas not returning feels weird. As for coaches I hope we give someone their first chance whether it be Silas Jnr or another coach. I just don't see any available coaches atm that I think could lead the Cats to success.

[adam187]

@rick_bonnell: Rod Higgins says Paul Silas will continue in consultant role. Higgins says Stephen Silas will get interview for head coach.

[ohara831]

As soon as Orlando loses in the Playoffs and they fire SVG, I hope MJ and Cho jump on him quick. I'd love SVG in Charlotte - if he would agree to come. Likely would want to wait till after the Lottery to make sure we get the #1 pick and Davis is coming to town.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

if we get SVG and anthony Davis i hope SVG can help develop Davis like he did with Howard

[Mustachio]

As soon as Orlando loses in the Playoffs and they fire SVG, I hope MJ and Cho jump on him quick. I'd love SVG in Charlotte - if he would agree to come. Likely would want to wait till after the Lottery to make sure we get the #1 pick and Davis is coming to town.


I surely wouldn't scoff at SVG coming here. hes a good coach. But why would you want a guy 1. who would have to think twice about coming here and 2. would want to wait until the lottery to make a decision.

I just want a guy who has a new fresh plan, and wants to be here and wants to build a roster rather than inherit one. I don't care how bad our record is, we shouldn't have to beg.

[BIGCatBobcat]

Ugh, new coaches. I just want to gag when I think of a new coach. The coach sets the tone, to some extent, but not enough. It just never works with a new coach. Thanks to all of you who havent mentioned ol' 11 time. We get it, he coached Jordan...nope. Not a chance.

[Plowright]

I just want a guy who has a new fresh plan, and wants to be here and wants to build a roster rather than inherit one. I don't care how bad our record is, we shouldn't have to beg.

You can't blame a guy for wanting to see if we get the number 1 pick. You have to live and work around the player for 6 months of the year and more, your going to want the situation to be the right one. Why would a successful coach ruin his own career by coming here?

[Mustachio]

You can't blame a guy for wanting to see if we get the number 1 pick. You have to live and work around the player for 6 months of the year and more, your going to want the situation to be the right one. Why would a successful coach ruin his own career by coming here?


I see what you're saying, I just think its the wrong attitude to bring in here. I want someone who is determined to win no matter who is on the roster. it may be a naive mindset, but with this team I think its the only appropriate answer. Plus we need someone working with our current rookies RIGHT NOW... not sometime mid summer when a coach feels like we are good enough for him to coach. I feel thats very LarryBrownish. coming in with a built in excuse almost.

Thats why I think fresh blood is our best bet. They will have that detirmination that no matter if we get Anthony Davis or Adam Morrison... we are going to build a winner. And besides, who says Anthony Davis is a sure thing.

[skratch]

please dont give stephon silas the job, if u gonna give him the job u might as well keep his dad

[bes628]

Say no to Stephen Silas. I hope they at least interview some of the more experienced choices out there. McMillan, SVG, D'Antoni, etc.

[spectre]

:wootjump:

:kingofpop:

:clapping:


I agree that no coach is going to make them into a playoff team next year, but we do need to look for somebody that can develop young talent and we need them sooner rather than later. Biz and Walker need a lot of off season help - Thomas, too, assuming he sticks. I have no idea who that is. I hope Cho and Jordan.

Totally agree.

from Bonnell:


--Higgins said he wants a coach who will emphasize developing young players, but “the
main quality is somebody who wants to win.’’Right now that's the most important thing we can do.


As soon as Orlando loses in the Playoffs and they fire SVG, I hope MJ and Cho jump on him quick. I'd love SVG in Charlotte - if he would agree to come. Likely would want to wait till after the Lottery to make sure we get the #1 pick and Davis is coming to town.

Of all the candidates I've heard of I think I'd like him best.

Anyone concerned/excited that we might give Ewing a shot? Surely not...

[Plowright]

I am beyond concerned Spectre. I don't want anymore of MJ's friends around the franchise

[JGib23]

I would love to get Brian Shaw as our next coach.

Also, don't really want Ewing but, would be interested in his relationship with Dwight Howard. I could get on the Ewing Bandwagon, if it means we have a better shot at Dwight next summer.

[Nata Fresh]

Chalk me up for either Mo Cheeks or Mike Budenholzer.....but definitely not Pat Ewing, not if we want the "MJ only hires his friends" nonsense to die...

[cltblkhscoach]

I don't want a damn retread coach, I want someone young and energetic who's going to grow with our young players. How much patience do you guys think D'Antoni, McMillan, and SVG are going to have with our guys? Those 3 are used to competing for playoff berths with veteran players. Give me the next Tom Thibodeau or Stephen Silas.

Plain and simple, we need to find a happy medium between Sam Vincent and Larry Brown. lol.....

[GoBobs]

I really want MDA. Have wanted him for years really. People say things didn't work with the suns but MDA didn't let joe johnson walk instead of paying him. His system played a role in the development of Lin in NY. I am pretty sure he didn't tell Mello to miss all those shots either.

The top players in the draft would all be good in a running system. MDA would be a solid choice

[spectre]

Just a general feeling and from casual reading, but both Nate & D'antoni have been criticized for not adjusting to the players but rather trying to shoehorn them into their respective offensive schemes.

A few guys have improved playing in Orlando...Riddick & Anderson just to name a couple. That's kind of why I'm leaning towards SVG.

[BIGCatBobcat]

I would be so excited for a no-name, assistant/d-league guy. SVG has too much going on, too mouthy. D'Antoni is a system guy, plain and simple. 7 seconds and shoot, that's it. Little development of younger guys. McMillan hasn't really impressed me. I know he was around in Seattle for a long time and Portland for even longer but longevity doesn't help you bring a team from worst to some sort of team on the way up. It's going to take a special sort of coach and I don't think any of those mentioned are special enough. Still sad for Silas. I have a feeling that it precludes Stephen from becoming the next coach.

[BlockParty]

I'm going to go with Stephanie Ready. She knows her X's and O's, she's been the coach of a men's NBDL team before and her first coaching gig (women's volleyball in college) she helped the team snap a 129 game losing streak...23 games is nothing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephanie_Ready

[ziggy]

** Merged the Paul Silas let go thread with the Who should be the next coach thread.

Let me just say this, If it winds up being Patrick Ewing I think we may be in store for FHB 2.0

[SJackson1]

who is the favourite ?

[BETCATS]

1.Michael Malone - G. State assistant that everyone claims is going to be a good head coach
2.Stephen Silas - great at guard development, I'd give him a shot next year
3.Nate McMillan - Looking for redemption, from NC (went to the same high school as me, different era tho), and has a balanced system. He never had a year where half his roster wasn't injured at any given time and his point guards have clashed with him over his love of combo guards, but I think Kemba would do well under him.

Shout out to Tom Thibbodeau but we cant afford him. I doubt Sloan or Jackson would come out of retirement for our mess either.

WHO I DONT WANT

1. SVG- He was voted the most disliked coach in the NBA. His managing of conflicts is extremely poor, imagine how he would handle our roster full of young guys who are bound to get frustrated by losing and by his ideas. We don't have a single player that fits his overrated/failed system. Whoever said he is more important to Orlando than Dwight doesn't recognize the team was built in his image by Otis Smith (who also deserves to be fired). They put up a fight in game 1 v. Indy, but they are going to be gone within 4-5 more games.

2. D'Antoni - While it might do Kemba good, we won't get anywhere with him as the coach. He won't know what to do with a defensive center like Biyambo. His system is by far the most unbalanced thing in basketball since Don Nelson retired. It might get us the 8th seed in 2 years, but it won't get us to title contention. Defense wins championships.

3. Vinnie Del Negro - If he gets fired (which I am guessing he will unless he gets to the conference finals) keep him out of here. He has proven in Chicago and now with the Clippers that with rosters full of talent he can't get more than mediocre results. DO NOT WANT.

[ND22]

If we're following the "Thunder formula," we need to find the next Scott Brooks. In other words, an assistant willing to build this team from the ground up. Someone the players can grow with.

Some of these names come to mind:

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2012/1/17/2713916/gms-name-mike-malone-top-assistant-coach

Personally, I like Brian Shaw.

[superb1]

Paul will not be leaving the organization, will probably get a consulting job. Stephen will get an interview. Looks like they doing everything the right way.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/04/30/3209725/bobcats-reassign-coach-paul-silas.html

[skratch]

Phil jackson

[Scottley Crue]

Given what Cho said about wanting someone who wanted to be here, someone who viewed this as an opportunity and not a burden, I think that lends more to an up-and-coming type coach. Someone out of the assistant ranks or perhaps D-League. That brings two to mind, Mike Budenholzer (someone did mention him earlier, but it escapes me as to who right now...my apologies) from the Spurs and Eric Musselman from the D-League.

Budenholzer has over 15 years of experience under Popovich, which is quite the positive in my book. Musselman was the D-League coach of the year and from what I've read, he's done well to come back from a less than spectacular debut a few years back. Brian Shaw (Pacers), Ron Adams (Bulls) and David Joerger (Grizzlies) are also interesting candidates. I've included some links to some info on these gentlemen:

Budenholzer: http://www.nba.com/coachfile/mike_budenholzer/index.html?nav=page
Musselman: http://www.nba.com/dleague/news/musselman_coy_042612.html
Shaw: http://www.nba.com/coachfile/brian_shaw/index.html?nav=page
Adams: http://www.nba.com/coachfile/ron_adams/index.html?nav=page
Joerger: http://www.nba.com/coachfile/david_joerger/index.html?nav=page

Certainly, I'd like SVG, but I don't know if he'd take the job or if he fits exactly what the 'Cats are looking for right now. These guys may be high on the wish list and are some of the ones to keep an eye on, I believe.

[May4prez]

Ghost of Red Auerbach?

Not a huge SVG fan. Regardless of what is happening in Orlando or whose fault it is, I don't trust anyone that would pull that press conference stuff where he just said "Howard wants me fired." Even if its true, thats not something you take to the media right before you enter the playoffs (or at any time).

I like Malone and Budenholzer.

Do we think that S.Silas would be that much different from Paul? Though in all honesty, I don't think Silas was "that" bad. Even Phil Jackson couldn't have coaxed 15 wins out of this team. But a change was needed to save face. Is S.Silas a big enough change?

[Scottley Crue]

Here's a report from the Orlando Sentinel listing some names rumored to be candidates for the Charlotte job. Not surprisingly, they list Magic assistants Patrick Ewing and Steve Clifford among that group. I'm not in love with the idea of Ewing as the coach and Clifford doesn't seem to have anything that makes him stand out at first glance of his bio...but I'm very sure Cho would know more about him than I do. Anywho, just some early names of who we may have steering this ship soon.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_magic/2012/05/orlando-magic-assistant-patrick-ewing-rumored-to-be-contender-for-charlotte-bobcats-head-coaching-job.html

[Plowright]

I will bet anyone we wont have a coach before the lottery and we know if were getting Davis or not

[Chevalier au Lion]

Musselman. He can develop young player.

McMillan no, please. He can´t make a good team with players like Felton, Batum, G.Wallace, Aldridge, Crawford, etc in Portland. He had problems with Felton and Crawford. He prefers Steve Blake than Felton...

[superb1]

I will bet anyone we wont have a coach before the lottery and we know if were getting Davis or not

I think they said they will wait until after the lottery to hire a coach.


Musselman. He can develop young player.

McMillan no, please. He can´t make a good team with players like Felton, Batum, G.Wallace, Aldridge, Crawford, etc in Portland. He had problems with Felton and Crawford. He prefers Steve Blake than Felton...

I read earlier that Nate did not want the job when asked. Really I'm not impressed with what he has done either. I guess he knows his strengths as a coach and he couldn't hack it here.

[bes628]

Orlando Magic assistant Patrick Ewing rumored to be contender for Charlotte Bobcats head coaching jo

Orlando Magic assistant coach Patrick Ewing’s name once again is popping up in connection with an NBA head coaching vacancy.

After the Charlotte Bobcats suffered through the worst season in NBA history, the franchise relieved head coach Paul Silas Monday of his duties and reassigned him to work as a consultant for the team.


Now Charlotte owner Michael Jordan and general manager Rich Cho are searching for a new head coach to take over mentoring the struggling team.

While the NBA Draft lottery will make the final call on the selection order, the Bobcats are strong contenders to earn the No. 1 pick in the upcoming NBA Draft. The new Charlotte coach could end up working with former Kentucky Wildcats star Anthony Davis, this year’s projected No. 1 draft pick.

Ewing, who is close friends with Jordan, is among the potential candidates whose name has been linked to the job. Former Trailblazers coach Nate McMillan, who previously worked with Cho in Portland; former New York Knicks coach Mike D’Antoni; Indiana Pacers assistant coach and former Magic player Brian Shaw; Magic assistant coach Steve Clifford; and Warriors assistant coach Michael Malone and former Warriors and Kings head coach Eric Musselman have all been mentioned in connection with the Bobcats job opening.

SI.com’s Sam Amick suggested it would be best to let Cho, a respected NBA executive, handle the search. Amick added the Bobcats should stay away from Jordan’s rolodex of NBA friends, including Ewing, because they may not be up for the challenge of leading a troubled team.

However, Ewing was rumored to be a close second for the Bobcats job when Jordan hired Silas in 2010 and a favorite to one day take over as the team’s head coach.

Ewing, a former Hall of Fame player for the New York Knicks, has been an Orlando Magic assistant coach since 2007.


LINK: http://nurize.com/sports/vids/vidfile/sports%20articles.html

[spectre]

SI.com’s Sam Amick suggested it would be best to let Cho, a respected NBA executive, handle the search.

I agree with Sam on this one. If we're going with his plan we need to go all the way.

Not so thrilled with Ewing but I don't know that he can't develop the players. It's going to be hard to get a top tier guy anyway for next season.

All the rest were "mentioned". By Bonnell?

[Katmandu]

"Asked why Silas won’t get another season, as he requested, president of basketball operations Rod Higgins said, “The record kind of speaks for itself.”'

I don't think the record speaks for itself. I still maintain that no team suffered more from the lockout than the Bobcats. Young talent was denied the help they needed and had to try to learn on the fly. People were denied the opportunity to mesh and that was before all the injuries. I'm not confusing Paul Silas with Red Auerbach, but there's a lot more to that record than Paul Silas.
I really liked Tom Sorenson's column (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/04/30/3209930/paul-silas-pushed-charlotte-bobcats.html) about Silas.


Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/04/30/3209725/bobcats-reassign-coach-paul-silas.html#storylink=cpy

[TheBeagle]

I agree with Sam on this one. If we're going with his plan we need to go all the way.

Not so thrilled with Ewing but I don't know that he can't develop the players. It's going to be hard to get a top tier guy anyway for next season.

All the rest were "mentioned". By Bonnell? Yeah, let Cho have his pick. Really think it should be an up-and-comer and not a former NBA coach. The way we've been rolling through coaches since we began, it's not likely that whoever is next will be here when we can contend for the playoffs again anyway, so why not take a chance on some new blood?

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

i agree with everyone else that we should let cho pick..........i have a feeling we are gonna hire patrick ewing though....idk what it is maybe just a gut feeling....But we should try to hire that golden state assistant Malone....according to everyone he will make a great coach when he gets the chance

[Toocool]

Mcmillan? Please.
His half court offense is even slower than LBs, and our offense is even more anemic than in our LB glory days.
Definately do not want!

[marino13882]

Cho is going to be WFNZ tomorrow morning around 9. Maybe he will give some insight on what they are looking for.

[QC Thundercats]

Higgins was on WFNZ earlier today, he basically said the coaching search was wide open, and they hadn't started crossing anyone off the list yet. They are considering everyone from veteran coaches, young upcoming assistants, and even college coaches. He also said they were getting a lot of calls inquiring about the position. I think all the names popping up are because no one has been ruled out yet, so basically any available person is a consideration.

As for some main candidates, I'd say no to Ewing - he has never struck me as a strong leader, even when he played for the Knicks, and I haven't seen or heard anything from him on what kind of knowledge or expertise he could bring to a team, other than as a big man coach. Nate McMillan I would prefer as an assistant coach than a head coach, although he probably wouldn't take that position. Dantoni is a no because he needs a certain type of personnel to be successful, and we have none of that.

SVG I'm kind of iffy on, he seems to eventually start rubbing people the wrong way, and I don't really know how much players really respect him. He is a good coach, and his reputation might have been unfairly earned by dealing with the divas named Howard and Shaq. I personally would rather have his brother Jeff, as he's an awesome defensive coach, but I don't think he'd ever leave his cushy tv gig for our train wreck, although it wouldn't hurt to offer.

I think I'm in the minority here - I still think I'd like to give a shot to Stephen Silas, but only if he had at least one or two veteran NBA coaches next to him on the bench. I think the awful season has unfairly put a bad light on him. If we had won 20 games instead, would people still turn their heads in disgust? Even though he coached several games, the season of futility is more on the front office and Paul's in game coaching this year. Paul is a player's coach who is good at getting veterans to buy in and play with confidence. He is not a good teacher of youth, and has never been strong with his X's and O's. And his player rotations are very confusing most of the time.

So why do people think we'll get a carbon copy with Stephen? I think he has a more direct approach, rather than Paul's way of letting players figure things out on their own and working through their mistakes on the court. He actually seems to be the opposite of his father, in that he's all about preparation and studying game tape, knows his X's and O'x at a higher level. He's not as intimidating obviously, but if he had a strong staff, then he could slowly grow into that strong leader role as he grows with the team. Did anyone think Scott Brooks or Frank Vogel would be successful coaches when they started out? Had anyone even heard of Vogel?

What if it was possible to have Stephen as head coach, with SVG as an assistant so he can take some time away from the pressure of head coaching duties, and to teach our team how to play defense? And then maybe get Flip Saunders, who while not necessarily a great head coach, he definitely is known as a top offensive coach. Both those assistants have tons of experience, making multiple deep runs in the playoffs, and so their insight would be invaluable.

[spectre]

http://queencityhoops.com/blog/2012/05/01/silas-is-out-whos-coming-in-3-on-3-style-4-opinions/

Not to take traffic away from QCH, but they make an intriguing case for Spurs' lead assistant Mike Budenholzer. I freaking love Pop and consider him the best by far in the crop of current coaches, so a guy who's been with their organization since '94 and Pop's lead assistant since '08 might be a smart way to go?

[BETCATS]

http://queencityhoops.com/blog/2012/05/01/silas-is-out-whos-coming-in-3-on-3-style-4-opinions/

Not to take traffic away from QCH, but they make an intriguing case for Spurs' lead assistant Mike Budenholzer. I freaking love Pop and consider him the best by far in the crop of current coaches, so a guy who's been with their organization since '94 and Pop's lead assistant since '08 might be a smart way to go?
I love Pop too but Mike Brown is an ex-Pop assistant. Budenholzer is interesting. All I'm saying is the apple sometimes does fall far far away from the tree when it comes to coaching staff people.

[Katmandu]

I think I'm in the minority here - I still think I'd like to give a shot to Stephen Silas, but only if he had at least one or two veteran NBA coaches next to him on the bench. I think the awful season has unfairly put a bad light on him.

I agree that there's plenty of blame to go around and I would say that the whole coaching staff was in an impossible position. But those last few weeks that team was just demoralized. I don't doubt that the players like and respect both Silas's, but I think a change is in order. There's an old saying that says, "A new broom sweeps clean." I don't blame the old staff. I sincerely wish them well, but we need the cleanest possible break from the disaster we just witnessed.

[Scottley Crue]

http://queencityhoops.com/blog/2012/05/01/silas-is-out-whos-coming-in-3-on-3-style-4-opinions/

Not to take traffic away from QCH, but they make an intriguing case for Spurs' lead assistant Mike Budenholzer. I freaking love Pop and consider him the best by far in the crop of current coaches, so a guy who's been with their organization since '94 and Pop's lead assistant since '08 might be a smart way to go?

We're on the same page here. The more I read about Budenholzer, the more I like him for what we're trying to do. I know Mike Malone out of Golden State is very well thought of as well, but I think it'd be a very wise move to pluck someone from the Spurs organization. I mean, they're also a small market and have put in place a system that works well. I think we'd be well advised to pick the fruit from that tree. (Already have, in a roundabout way...Cho worked under Sam Presti at Seattle/OKC, who worked for the Spurs under RC Buford.)

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

I think that assistant from San Antonio you guys are talking about is pops successor so idk if hes gonna leave?.....id go for mike malone from what i heard he'll be very good

[TheBeagle]

http://queencityhoops.com/blog/2012/05/01/silas-is-out-whos-coming-in-3-on-3-style-4-opinions/

Not to take traffic away from QCH, but they make an intriguing case for Spurs' lead assistant Mike Budenholzer. I freaking love Pop and consider him the best by far in the crop of current coaches, so a guy who's been with their organization since '94 and Pop's lead assistant since '08 might be a smart way to go? Agreed that he's still the best there is in the league and has been for quite a while but I'd say Thibodeou (sp?) is inching his way to that level. Pops is better but not "by far."

But back OT: even though he looks like a cretin, we could do much worse than Budenholzer, and he could actually turn out to be a home run, considering the Pop pedigree.

[Scottley Crue]

I think that assistant from San Antonio you guys are talking about is pops successor so idk if hes gonna leave?.....id go for mike malone from what i heard he'll be very good

He may not want to coach here, you're right. Time will tell on that. He's really the guy I'd like running the show because of his Spurs pedigree. I just think that San Antonio is an excellent model for the success that Charlotte is looking to achieve. Budenholzer certainly knows the model and looks to offer exactly what this team needs. I don't know that he designed these plays in the link below, but I'm sure he's more than familiar with it and the principles of said offense. Just looking at that the options off that one play, I know I'd like to see something similar built here.

http://nbaplaybook.com/2012/05/02/the-spurs-%E2%80%9Cweak%E2%80%9D-action/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NBAPlaybook+%28NBA+Playbook%2 9&utm_content=ESPN

Now, it's not that Malone or any other up-and-coming assistant can't be successful here either. Many GMs seem to really like Malone, so he definitely is talented in a way that his peers can easily recognize. For me, at least, Budenholzer seems like the best fit here. (Also, the name Budenholzer just sounds awesome, like you just should think twice before messing with the guy.)

[ohara831]

http://queencityhoops.com/blog/2012/05/01/silas-is-out-whos-coming-in-3-on-3-style-4-opinions/

Not to take traffic away from QCH, but they make an intriguing case for Spurs' lead assistant Mike Budenholzer. I freaking love Pop and consider him the best by far in the crop of current coaches, so a guy who's been with their organization since '94 and Pop's lead assistant since '08 might be a smart way to go?


Good points! Love Pop as a Coach, and if this guy is his right hand man, might be a very smart move.

[superb1]

We're on the same page here. The more I read about Budenholzer, the more I like him for what we're trying to do. I know Mike Malone out of Golden State is very well thought of as well, but I think it'd be a very wise move to pluck someone from the Spurs organization. I mean, they're also a small market and have put in place a system that works well. I think we'd be well advised to pick the fruit from that tree. (Already have, in a roundabout way...Cho worked under Sam Presti at Seattle/OKC, who worked for the Spurs under RC Buford.)

It maybe the way to go but the Spurs benefited from having David Robinson and Tim Duncan for the past 2 decades. If we do get AD and then hire Budenholzer, I'll be happy.

I think that assistant from San Antonio you guys are talking about is pops successor so idk if hes gonna leave?.....id go for mike malone from what i heard he'll be very good

The Spurs maybe on their last hooray, Tim and Pops may have a few years left and then they will be reloading so they would be basically in the same boat as us (but not as beat down) Bodenhollzer may end up staying there. Its up in the air

[Potato]

I would like SVG but if we can't land him, I'd like a young assistant not named Stephen Silas... we need to just rid the franchise of the name Silas. We'll be dumping most of our roster and most of the coaching staff as well, get some new blood in for coach. Nothing that's going to remind us of this season, the name Silas would. I like the idea of bringing in a new assistant, young... some fresh blood. That's if we can't get SVG though.

[polarcat]

I would like SVG but if we can't land him, I'd like a young assistant not named Stephen Silas... we need to just rid the franchise of the name Silas. We'll be dumping most of our roster and most of the coaching staff as well, get some new blood in for coach. Nothing that's going to remind us of this season, the name Silas would. I like the idea of bringing in a new assistant, young... some fresh blood. That's if we can't get SVG though.

I disagree and saying that the Silas name is tainted in this city is wrong. Paul Silas was solid back when the Hornets were here, and he came in at a bad time and righted a severely sinking Bobcats' ship. He did not get us to the playoffs and his schemes/plays are horrific, but he was a gentleman in what he did here. I disliked him as a coach moving forward, but to say that you don't want the Silas name with this franchise is not fair to he or his son. I don't know enough about Steven to know if he's the right coach, but from what people say, he is one of those up-and-coming coaches that is a good X's and O's "players" coach.

[GOBOBCATS24]

Hopefully the interest is mutual. Can't see why it would be though

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/jerry-sloan-coach-michael-jordan-rebuild-reeling-charlotte-bobcats-article-1.1073124

[JGib23]

Holy Fuck Nuts.

That would be an incredible home run hire.

[Jennings]

It would be great, but I'm with the guy in the article, I can't see why he would come to a rebuilding team at his age. It would be awesome though.

[ziggy]

At 70 years old, he isn't the right coach for our situation.

I'll pass.

[JGib23]

At 70 years old, he isn't the right coach for our situation.

I'll pass.

Ziggy, I'm curious to find out why?

The age while a little concerning, isn't enough to scare me off. Sloan is one of the greatest coaches ever and could definitely teach some x's and o's that could really benefit our team. Imagine him teaching Biz and Kemba how to run the pick and roll lie Stockton and Malone... (Kemba and Biz are nowhere close to those HOF'ers but, they could definitely improve that part of their games)

I think he's Larry Brown without the drama and roster churning.- which to me is perfect for a young team. He may not be around to see it all the way through but, could definitely get us pointed in the right direction.

It's not Jerry Sloan or bust for me but, I wouldn't complain for 1 second if we were able to land Sloan.

[ziggy]

He is a fantastic coach, but at his age he can't be more than a short term solution. He'd have about 3 years tops before he would HAVE to step down.

If he were 65 I could deal with it. But 70, No.

[spectre]

Sloan is one of the greatest coaches ever and could definitely teach some x's and o's that could really benefit our team. Imagine him teaching Biz and Kemba how to run the pick and roll lie Stockton and Malone... (Kemba and Biz are nowhere close to those HOF'ers but, they could definitely improve that part of their games)

I think he's Larry Brown without the drama and roster churning.- which to me is perfect for a young team. He may not be around to see it all the way through but, could definitely get us pointed in the right direction.

That's exactly what he'd be. He also knows about small markets and what it takes to make a contender. Sloan is my absolute dream scenario for this team.

I'd be shocked if he even considered us though.

[SWedd523]

Ehh, not denying that Sloan is a great coach, because he's an all-time great (and was a nasty player too), but I'd personally rather go with a young guy who's going to grow with the team and be here for the long haul.

Bernie--60 years old when hired, lasted 3 years
Sammy V--44 years old when hired, lasted 1 year
Brown--68 years old when hired, lasted 2.5 years
Silas--67 years old when hired, lasted 1.5 years


Average age of the franchise's head coach when hired? 59.75 years!



If we're going to move into the future with a new, young, exciting team that appeals to a lot of people, then we need a young, hungry, excitable head coach to be the leader. Pay Sloan big money to be the lead assistant and be the "teacher", but he's not what we should be looking for.

[SWedd523]

merged into the head coaching thread and updated title, btw

[CatNation1]

Sloan would be a grand slam. I get the young leader thing but I'd be a little more comfortable with that if our players actually knew what the hell they were doing first. Sloan can teach em how to play basketball, and he's also a good leader himself. A few years of actually learning how to play from a great coach then phase in to a younger long term as these guys transition into veterans whenever Sloan wants to leave.

I dunno why he would come here though

[DY_nasty]

NY Daily News isn't even as reliable as Chris Broussard.

[Plowright]

I would not want Sloan. He is well known for not playing young guys and making Rookies ride the pine, I could see Kemba's and Biz's minutes going wayyy down next year with him at the helm. Sorry not for me!

[Scottley Crue]

NY Daily News isn't even as reliable as Chris Broussard.

Yeah, I'd take this with a grain of salt coming from them, too.

That said, Sloan is obviously a fantastic coach but I just don't think he's the right fit right now. I think a young, on-the-rise assistant ready with everything to prove is the way to go. Sloan, again, can definitely teach the game but he's not the only one. All the great coaches had to start and build somewhere. I like the idea of finding the next great one and let them build their winning culture here as opposed to trying to shoehorn someone else's culture in some sort of quick fashion. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be mad if Sloan did coach, but I think if were' building from the ground up, let's place our own foundation instead of having it pre-fabricated.

[Potato]

That would be amazing, even if he only coaches us for 5-7 years he could turn us into playoff contenders and make this one of the most attractive jobs for any young coach in the NBA. Or we could hire a young assistant to groom right behind Sloan.

[dnbman]

I would not want Sloan. He is well known for not playing young guys and making Rookies ride the pine, I could see Kemba's and Biz's minutes going wayyy down next year with him at the helm. Sorry not for me!

You may be right, but what are you basing that on? The only thing I've heard along those lines is that he has more conservative expectations than other coaches about players' attitudes and work ethic.

[spectre]

I actually think he'd be a perfect fit vs a young coach. Our young guys SORELY need instruction on how to play the game. A guy like Sloan who would only be here for a few years would set the team up for that up and comer. Not to mention it wouldn't phase Sloan so much about our record. Once he had them on the right direction then we could bring in a younger guy.

Not going to happen anyway...so that's probably my last push on the subject.

[Twan's Kin]

Tony Barone of Grizzlies fame might be a good choice.

[SirBobcat]

I am with Ziggy that while Sloan is an excellent coach that he is not the right guy. Look no further than Brian Shaw. Long time assistant head coach for many years for the Lakers and this season with Indiana. I think the improvement in Indiana is mostly because of Shaw's influence. During his time in LA, he was instrumental in getting egos checked (Shaq and Kobe) while developing a solid plan. I think he's deserving of the shot and has the youthful desire along with experience to lead Charlotte to great things.

[BlockParty]

http://www.csnnw.com/pages/landingblazers?McMillan-not-oppose-to-coaching-a-team-l=1&blockID=703368&feedID=5212

Apparently Nate McMillan isn't opposed to coaching in Charlotte, and is actually building a house here. Still not sure if it is a perfect fit though...

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[WAM9]

After being a little behind and reading 4000 posts, I just wanted to chime in on Sloan.

I am 100% in the hire Jerry Sloan camp if it is possible.

The point has been made that he is 70 and that should keep us from hiring him b/c he would "have" to step away in 3 years. First, even if this were true, I would still be for hiring him. The impact he could make on our franchise in 3 years would be phenomenal!

The truth is though that he wouldn't "have" to step down in 3 years. Who says 73 is a magic number after which you can't coach. Age is just a number and I know many older folks who are 80 and in perfect health. I also know several 40 year olds that can't walk to the parking lot without stopping to rest. Also, I know many 70 year business owners that can mentally get it done with the best of them. On the other side, being younger doesn't guarantee better in any way shape or form. Again, even if it were for 3 years, I would do it.

As far as the point about him not playing rookies...He didn't play them much in Utah because his roster was full of capable veterans (most of which he had coached for years). That is the way a successful NBA franchise is supposed to work. Rookies get drafted and then get worked in as they learn from the veterans. Since we have few veterans, and are clearly rebuilding, then I think he would happily develop and play the young guys. This doesn't worry me at all.

As far as why he does it (which I have doubts about)... Maybe he is looking for that last challenge. The older you get, the more you want to teach what you know to youth. Maybe this would be the type of challenge that would give him more personal pleasure than people are giving him credit for.

[Plowright]

http://salt-lake-services.com/services/Page.php?pid=128

http://jazzfanatical.wordpress.com/2010/03/01/its-not-that-jerry-sloan-doesnt-play-rookies/

there are more articles but I got bored. If you look on the Jazz fan forums there a number of posts about rooks who didnt get PT. It is a relatively well known fact that he doesnt like playing them as he is a winner, not a developer. I am not saying this guy is a bad coach, far from it butits not what we need right now

[McBeastie]

http://www.csnnw.com/pages/landingblazers?McMillan-not-oppose-to-coaching-a-team-l=1&blockID=703368&feedID=5212

Apparently Nate McMillan isn't opposed to coaching in Charlotte, and is actually building a house here. Still not sure if it is a perfect fit though...

I agree. All things considered he's a solid coach, but he's got a little Larry Brown in him that makes me a bit wary. Highly demanding of his PG, likes a slowed down, defensive-minded game, preference for starting veterans over developing young players, etc. Early in the season with Portland he had some success running an uptempo offense. Then things kind of fell apart and he reverted back to his old ways. So who knows how much he's learned from that experience.

[WAM9]

I don't buy into the fact of a coach, as great as Jerry Sloan is, who can only coach championship contenders.

A great coach, like Sloan, understands the game on a level that even the brightest of us only dream about.

He can successfully coach veterans and rookies alike. He was a very successful coach who developed a very deep roster over the years. The fact that he didn't play average rookies over proven veterans he had developed into a winning team should not be held against him.

Way back, when he was building what became a very strong and consistent frachise, Jerry Sloan got a rookie named John Stockton. He only played him 18 minutes per game as a rookie (why? 5 points, 5 assists, 2 turnovers per game). He brought him along relatively slowly and it seemed to work out just fine for Stockton as he is one of the greatest point guards of all time.

The next year, he got a rookie named Karl Malone. He ws different. More ready. Bigger. He played him 30+ minutes per game his rookie year and almost 40 minutes per his sophmore. He gave the minutes to the guy that deserved it.

Bottom line...if we hired him for the coach, he will play our young players (that deserve it) without question.

[Plowright]

I just think Sloan is a winner not a developer

[Scottley Crue]

According to Woj, we'll be interviewing Mike Malone soon.

Adrian Wojnarowski
‏ @WojYahooNBA

Charlotte will interview Golden State assistant Mike Malone on Tuesday for its head coaching job, league sources tell Y!

Seems to be well-respected and well-thought of by peers, GM and all those associated with the game. Could be a very good hire.

[ammofan]

According to Woj, we'll be interviewing Mike Malone soon.

Adrian Wojnarowski
‏ @WojYahooNBA

Charlotte will interview Golden State assistant Mike Malone on Tuesday for its head coaching job, league sources tell Y!

Seems to be well-respected and well-thought of by peers, GM and all those associated with the game. Could be a very good hire.

I like! A lot!

[ohara831]

Dont know anything about him, other than he was in the running before they hired Mark Jackson.

[Plowright]

I like the sound of Malone. He is young, and is bound to get a HC gig in the nest year so I say we get him first. Malone sounds like he is a defensive specialist (hopefully not like LB) But anyway if people want to here what GSW fans say have a look here, its quite interesting http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2012/4/15/2951519/mike-malone-on-his-way-out

[Potato]

I really want David Joerger more than anyone else except like SVG

[Plowright]

http://www.sulia.com/channel/basketball/f/e6e0de40-4893-4c0a-9c09-a9a38543e68f/?source=twitter

all seems pretty obvious moves so far. Thank god were not going for some off the wall guy.

Personally I think the Fine Ham Biscuit returning would be a massive success story! Bring him back!

[ND22]

Glad we are giving Brian Shaw and Mike Malone visits. Rising assistants are who we should be going after.

[SWedd523]

Also in Sacramento Kings
Source tells SI.com that Charlotte has requested permission to speak with Indiana assistant Brian Shaw regarding its head-coaching vacancy. Yet Shaw prefers to hold off for the time being and focus on the playoffs, so no interview has been scheduled. Also, a source confirms a Yahoo! report that Golden State assistant Michael Malone will interview for the Charlotte job on Tuesday.
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a Warriors fan on RGM had this to say about Malone:


Malone got voted "best assistant coach" in the annual GM survey this year. A lot of Warriors fans would prefer Malone get offered our head coaching position over Jackson rather than have Malone leave.

Hard to really judge his performance on our injury ridden season. But his history is pretty legit. And it was clear that Malone was the guy drawing up the plays on offense and defense while Jackson mostly dealt with motivation.


sounds like he has a solid pedigree. Can also see why MJ is interested in Shaw, considering the triangle connections

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

Id love either Shaw or Malone both will be great coaches and are highly regarded around the league

[McBeastie]

Encouraging to see these are the kinds of guys Cho is targeting. Both (Malone/Shaw) seem solid, and they make a lot more sense for this team than Larry Sloan or Nate McMillan. Sounds like they'll both be in high demand around the league.

[Potato]

I'm telling you guys David Joerger is a name flying under the radar we need to target. Dude is the driving force behind that Memphis defense, imagine what he could do to start with Biyombo and Davis? Guy has been a head coach also as he has multiple D-League championships and International league championships. Obviously the NBA is a lot different but he knows what it takes to be the head-man. He's young and builds outstanding defenses which is going to be the way to go for us, we're gonna be winning games 86-60, not 126-121... I would love that fit. GET IT DONE MJ.

[SWedd523]

This is a bit of a tangent, but who do you think should be guys who warrant assistant coaching spots? I assume nobody on Silas' staff is going to stay unless Stephen gets the job so the new coach is goingg to be bringing a staff along with him. I'd really love to see Oakley come back and have no other job but to mold Bismack into greatness. Not sure how he's healing and/or how his lawsuit is going though

[Potato]

This is a bit of a tangent, but who do you think should be guys who warrant assistant coaching spots? I assume nobody on Silas' staff is going to stay unless Stephen gets the job so the new coach is goingg to be bringing a staff along with him. I'd really love to see Oakley come back and have no other job but to mold Bismack into greatness. Not sure how he's healing and/or how his lawsuit is going though
Gonna have to wait to find a head coach first probably so we know his philosophies and people he has ties with.

[SWedd523]

Gonna have to wait to find a head coach first probably so we know his philosophies and people he has ties with.
Certainly true. I shold have clarified that second point as:

Who do you think would be guys the rumored interested parties (Sloan, Shaw, Malone, etc) would bring in. Certainly Sloan would look at some of his buddies from Utah, Shaw would target some more triangle guys (Rambis?), and Malone... don't know much about him.


Oakley is my dream "special assistant" coach

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

id actually like to see stephen silas stay as as assistant...guy has good knowledge on offense and knows the players and is a good teacher...

[ND22]

I'm telling you guys David Joerger is a name flying under the radar we need to target. Dude is the driving force behind that Memphis defense, imagine what he could do to start with Biyombo and Davis? Guy has been a head coach also as he has multiple D-League championships and International league championships. Obviously the NBA is a lot different but he knows what it takes to be the head-man. He's young and builds outstanding defenses which is going to be the way to go for us, we're gonna be winning games 86-60, not 126-121... I would love that fit. GET IT DONE MJ.

Joerger intrigues me. He's done about as well as you can at the minor league levels, and seems like a guy who would love to build a team from the ground up.

http://www.nba.com/coachfile/david_joerger/index.html?nav=page


id actually like to see stephen silas stay as as assistant...guy has good knowledge on offense and knows the players and is a good teacher...

If Malone is hired this could be a possibility, but I can't see Silas wanting to accept the assistant role again after being denied the head coaching job. He'd more than likely move on elsewhere.

[ziggy]

id actually like to see stephen silas stay as as assistant...guy has good knowledge on offense and knows the players and is a good teacher...

I kind of assumed that Stephen Silas would be kept around as an assistant just to keep Papa Silas happy.

[superb1]

too lazy to research it but Stephen Silas and Mike Malone coached together in GS right. If so, they would be familar with each other

No they have not coached together, Malone has one yr in GS while Stephen was here.

[Potato]

Patrick Ewing getting an interview. Meh.

[ND22]

Patrick Ewing getting an interview. Meh.

I share this feeling.

[Chef]

Patrick Ewing getting an interview. Meh.

you mean the same guy who has been working with dwight howard for 3 years and yet howard has exactly 1/2 of one post move? sounds about right.

[polarcat]

I'll admit, I don't know enough about NBA assistants like I do in the NFL, but if Malone has been compared to the hottest DC on the market that is in line to be a coach, I'm all for it. I too prefer to go young up-and-coming, over veteran coaches who often don't play the young players and look to vets for their core. I know Brian Shaw was a hot name for the Lakers after Phil left, so I'd be quite okay with that hire as well. I hope if Malone comes on that Silas is retained to be an assistant for the chemistry aspect, but I do understand he not wanting to stay with a franchise that overlooked him as the HC.

[WAM9]

you mean the same guy who has been working with dwight howard for 3 years and yet howard has exactly 1/2 of one post move? sounds about right.

Great point but is that more of a condemnation of Ewing or Dwight?

Either way, I am not really interested in Ewing as the head coach. As an assistant, sure, but not as the main man.

[Chef]

Great point but is that more of a condemnation of Ewing or Dwight?

Either way, I am not really interested in Ewing as the head coach. As an assistant, sure, but not as the main man.

patrick ewing, he of the running 5 step sweeping hook shot fame? i think it is a case of the blind leading the blind. however, in both of their defenses, howard does avg 20+/13+ and 2 blocks per game so why fix something that isn't broken.

[JGib23]

I do not want Patrick Ewing.

I understand that he has paid his dues for 8 seasons as an assistant but, we have got to remove the FOM(friend of Michael) label away from this team. This hire would just give the critics more ammunition on why he's a bad owner.

Patrick may deserve a chance to be a head coach but, I don't want it to be in Charlotte.

[Plowright]

If Ewig wasn't MJ's buddy I might be interested but I just dont want anymore of MJ's friends around this franchise

[Wolfpackbobcat]

Does the NBA have a Rooney Rule? I hope we are just interviewing Ewing for that. If we hire him, the Bobcats are doomed forever

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Bill Laimbeer and Michael Cooper come to mind for me. Both men come from championship winning teams and both have had some success coaching at a high level all be it in the WNBA. I feel both these men deserve a shot. That is if the organization has realistic expectations for whoever coaches the team. Whoever coaches should show marked improvement from game one to the end of the season and have a team that competes and shows heart even through a lot of losses. Of coarse the coach also should not be anywhere near to having a season record wise like this last season was.

On a side note Michael Cooper would need to be allowed to leave his USC women's NCAA basketball job.

Byron Scott has the Cleveland Cav's moving in the right direction and Michael Cooper was a former teammate. If MC could be anywhere near as good a head coach as BS than I could see him getting this turned around.

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

if we hire Ewing don't get the 1st pick and draft Drummond that would be intriguing to see what he could do with 2 quality big men in AD and Bis, and even if we hire Ewing I hope we keep Silas Jnr around.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

how is svg not a good coach for us. he gets players to collectively play like an nba team. our coaches suck ass. LB got us playing well despite being one of the worst coaches i have ever seen. svg is a much much better coach than lb at this point in time. hiring him with the understanding that we are building a future contender would be one of the best things for biz, kemba and whoever we draft this year that we could do.LB is the best thing that ever happened to this organization and he took a bunch of over priced ego maniacs to their best season as Bobcats. Being the team was a mess and would need to rebuild, a nearly 70 year old LB had no time or patience for such a job. With our team talent wise, LB did as good a coaching job as ANY coach in the NBA could have done. Including Phil Jackson.

That said the last thing our team needs is another head coach 60 or older. I hope we find a youngish head coach with some head coaching experience and success. It does not necessarily mean they have pro experience or even experience and success with men but a solid resume that could include coaching women at the highest level. Those that hate women's basketball and think success with them does not count are misogynistic.

[Chef]

LB is the best thing that ever happened to this organization and he took a bunch of over priced ego maniacs to their best season as Bobcats. Being the team was a mess and would need to rebuild, a nearly 70 year old LB had no time or patience for such a job. With our team talent wise, LB did as good a coaching job as ANY coach in the NBA could have done. Including Phil Jackson.



couldn't disagree more.

[WAM9]

patrick ewing, he of the running 5 step sweeping hook shot fame? i think it is a case of the blind leading the blind. however, in both of their defenses, howard does avg 20+/13+ and 2 blocks per game so why fix something that isn't broken.

Agreed. I think Dwight is the absolute best in the league as a big man right now but it almost completely due to athleticism. Can you imagine what he would be like if he had a few of those Hakeem type post moves to go along with all that athleticism?

[BobCatsFanInTx]

I dont want Van Gundy or D'Antoni because their systems dont work. Run and Gun with a high assist ratio from the point guard failed in Phoenix and New York. Three point shooters + dominate center failed in Miami and Orlando. Show me the rings if you disagree. Those teams do great in the regular season, but in the playoffs a balanced team will always be able to stop them.

We need a balanced coach. Don't blame Silas for this shit of a season, when he had Gerald/Jackson the team actually won some games. Silas is at least being positive with the young guys and he tried to get the most out of players. We were designed to become a terrible team by Cho, it is part of the process.We were never designed to be as terrible a team as we turned out to be. If that was the case Paul Silas would still be our head coach. Losing 22 games by 20+ and several of those 22 by 30+ speaks more to the head coach than the team talent wise. The bad part was this team losing to teams like the Wizards and in the process making them look like last years Mavericks. That can fall on nobody other than the head coach. Though some players called for Paul Silas to return it appeared quite differently based on their efforts throughout much of the season. Injuries did play a role in the worst season of all time but so did a lack of effort or concentration.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

couldn't disagree more.That is alright. Care to elaborate?

How is it Larry Browns fault that our organization way overpaid several players on our team which in part allowed us little flexibility to make moves or trade for assets that fit our team and bettered it? There is little more Larry could have done with the team as it was constructed. If that was not the case why did the team release Larry Brown and shortly after begin to start a rebuilding effort? Simply put. Larry reached as high of a level as the team was capable of and as opposed to being let go for his handling of the team he was let go for his own benefit.

Other than with the NYK name one other organization where LB did not leave a team better than when he took the head coaching job? I think LB is a total dick head but the guy gets results and even players who do not like the man personally credit him for making them better players. Larry in short order got results with our Bobcats but anyone who thinks his leaving was on the verge of something special does not deal with reality. Yes LB has a past filled with doing just what he did with us but the reality is that with us he had little choice. Our team was a playoff team for at least two more seasons. It was doing us a favor when he left so we could start our rebuilding effort sooner rather than later. This last season sucked but if things are handled correctly we will be enjoying what the OKC Thunder fans are enjoying. Two more seasons of one and done playoff appearances would have been okay but as opposed to starting our rebuild in three seasons we could be competing for at least the best team in East in three or four seasons.

I am grateful to Larry Brown for helping to bring us a playoff season. It was short lived and bitter sweet but I am glad we got even a taste of success as opposed to never having enjoyed ANY. Look at Orlando and how they looked like real threats to win it all a few seasons back and how they are nowhere near there now. Things change quickly and we can take nothing for granted. However if Cho does the job we expect him to do we will soon enjoy several years of being contenders.

[Chef]

That is alright. Care to elaborate?

nazr, diop trades. trading a pick for ajinca. trading a first and overpaying tyrus. taking dj over lopez and then running him into the ground and killing his confidence. absolutely killing our cap flexibility and youth for mediocre veterans to make a run at the 8 seed for nothing other than his legacy. and then when it all started to peter out he quits on the team and leaves it in ashes.

as far as on the court, you are right the bobcats did play the best they ever have under larry brown. but again, all of the above for an 8 seed and the worst team ever in less than a year and a half after he leaves? no thanks.

[superb1]

nazr, diop trades. trading a pick for ajinca. trading a first and overpaying tyrus. taking dj over lopez and then running him into the ground and killing his confidence. absolutely killing our cap flexibility and youth for mediocre veterans to make a run at the 8 seed for nothing other than his legacy. and then when it all started to peter out he quits on the team and leaves it in ashes.

as far as on the court, you are right the bobcats did play the best they ever have under larry brown. but again, all of the above for an 8 seed and the worst team ever in less than a year and a half after he leaves? no thanks.

No doubt LB is a great coach and probably the best we have had so far. Honestly I think that the majority were for his hire at first before it soured and the honeymoon is over. But the problem comes when LB tries his hand at personnel. When he did, it screwed us. So in his Bobcats era, I'll give him a C. Yes, he got us to the playoffs but at what cost. MJ and Rod were looking out for the future of the team. LB was a win now coach at any cost. It hurt us with his personnel moves and I'm glad MJ stopped the bleeding before it got too bad. Yes, we had a bad year but I would hate to see where we would be if LB would have stayed and continued to have his way.

[dnbman]

nazr, diop trades. trading a pick for ajinca. trading a first and overpaying tyrus. taking dj over lopez and then running him into the ground and killing his confidence. absolutely killing our cap flexibility and youth for mediocre veterans to make a run at the 8 seed for nothing other than his legacy. and then when it all started to peter out he quits on the team and leaves it in ashes.

as far as on the court, you are right the bobcats did play the best they ever have under larry brown. but again, all of the above for an 8 seed and the worst team ever in less than a year and a half after he leaves? no thanks.

Agreed, though I'm not as critical overall. Also, I wouldn't characterize the main players on that squad as " a bunch of over priced ego maniacs," save maybe Stephen Jackson.

[SuperKemba]

LB is the best thing that ever happened to this organization and he took a bunch of over priced ego maniacs to their best season as Bobcats. Being the team was a mess and would need to rebuild, a nearly 70 year old LB had no time or patience for such a job. With our team talent wise, LB did as good a coaching job as ANY coach in the NBA could have done. Including Phil Jackson.

That said the last thing our team needs is another head coach 60 or older. I hope we find a youngish head coach with some head coaching experience and success. It does not necessarily mean they have pro experience or even experience and success with men but a solid resume that could include coaching women at the highest level. Those that hate women's basketball and think success with them does not count are misogynistic.

Coaching women is not the same as coaching men. It's a similar situation with how college basketball coaches don't always make great NBA coaches or how college football coaches don't always translate well into the NFL. There's a different coaching style that works with men vs women. It's not JUST about the x's and o's. I'm not saying we shouldn't consider coaches who primarily coached women (with success) just that there might be good reason to be cautious in doing so.

[Proudiddy]

We should hire Geno Auriemma, lol...

J/k, seriously though, Malone sounds like a good candidate and Shaw seemed really highly regarded up until the Lakers passed him over last year. So, as it stands, IMO, Malone seems like the best hire that would fit our team's outlook going forward. His profile sounds a lot like Thibs... Which would be awesome.

Ewing appears to be the worst possible candidate, although I don't find Sloan very interesting at all. Sloan is a HOF coach, but I always sensed something that was overly old-school about him, if you catch my drift, lol. I also catch a lot of Larry Brown-type approaches to the game with him.

From what we know right now, I would say Malone and McMillan are my favorites. Although I've heard some bad stuff about Mac's approach to offense when he was coaching the Blazers.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

You know, I forgot SVG interviewed here before FHB happened. I just wonder if the Clippers will make him an offer he can't refuse. If not, it certainly wouldn't hurt my feelings to have him guiding this ship.

I wonder how Cho feels about Nate McMillan. He certainly has the NC ties, and if he's impressed Cho, he may be the guy. I can't say I'd be surprised if it happened. I'd be much more surprised if SVG was hired.The Clippers do not need a new head coach no matter how big a name that coach has. If you look at the injuries and the talent on the Clippers VDN has gotten about as much out of the Clippers as any reputable big name coach could have aside from maybe Phil Jackson, Doc Rivers and Gregg Popovich. VDN is to me a top ten coach who is learning and in the early process of being a head coach in the NBA. In time I could see him as a better coach than Stan Van Gundy or any number of head coaches people throw out there for the Clippers. In the end VDN will keep his job as long as the players give him a vote of confidence. I see that happening and I see the Clippers at least in the Western Conference Finals next season. This season if they get past the Grizzlies they will not advance past the next round of the playoffs. It will not be the fault of VDN but the excellence of the Spurs.

[spectre]

nazr, diop trades. trading a pick for ajinca. trading a first and overpaying tyrus. taking dj over lopez and then running him into the ground and killing his confidence. absolutely killing our cap flexibility and youth for mediocre veterans to make a run at the 8 seed for nothing other than his legacy. and then when it all started to peter out he quits on the team and leaves it in ashes.

as far as on the court, you are right the bobcats did play the best they ever have under larry brown. but again, all of the above for an 8 seed and the worst team ever in less than a year and a half after he leaves? no thanks.

Getting to the playoffs was the mandate from up high and why we went after LB. The FO put it in his hands to make the post season and we did it...would have done it right after we traded for Boris/Bell if Crash hadn't been pole-axed by Bynum.

Nazr was picked up before LB and traded after him...he had noting to do with him other than not playing him enough and then too much. I liked the Okafor for TC trade. A future 2nd for Theo Ratliff was pretty damn awesome at the time too.

The Ajinca pick looks bad now, but they were going for Hibbert/Hickson.

17th Hibbert
18th McGee
19th Hickson

...just missed it by that much. Either way we ultimately didn't miss out on any game changer (so far anyway) in a Babbitt, Seraphin or Bledsoe.

Gana definitely, and Tyrus too. Everything you said about DJ is right too. All LB.

LB did what he was brought in to do however; get us into the playoffs and do it quickly...we're trying to build the fanbase and to do that you got to win. He also made guys like Crash better and brought in Raja which ultimately gave us the #1 defense in the NBA.

After he got them there the 1st time Jordan (coincidentally now the new owner and playing with a bigger stake of his cash vs. Top Bob's) decides to totally reverse course and "rebuild". Larry Brown ain't a "rebuild" kind of guy and I think everyone and their grandmother knows that...so he bitched. Loudly. That's what he does. No one should have been even a little surprised at the result. Jeez, EVERYONE knows how Larry Brown is. Jordan should have just let him go in the offseason. The fault for the fiasco at the end is his and his alone.

I think he's done more for this team than anyone else. That's not to say that what he did was such a stellar thing...but more of a finger at the other guys. He did do a lot of good though.

Edit:

Adam Morrison for Stephen Jackson...forgot that one. Pretty decent too, as that ultimately led to Smack.

[spectre]

Yes, we had a bad year but I would hate to see where we would be if LB would have stayed and continued to have his way.

I think our ultimate downfall was getting Raja too late in his career. He was LB's floor general and he's the guy who kept everyone accountable on the court. Because we had no replacement for the leadership it probably was a smart move to hit the re-set button.

But again, it could have happened so much smoother. All MJ had to do was sit down with LB and lay it out followed by an offer to part ways.

[Chef]

Getting to the playoffs was the mandate from up high and why we went after LB. The FO put it in his hands to make the post season and we did it...would have done it right after we traded for Boris/Bell if Crash hadn't been pole-axed by Bynum.

Nazr was picked up before LB and traded after him...he had noting to do with him other than not playing him enough and then too much. I liked the Okafor for TC trade. A future 2nd for Theo Ratliff was pretty damn awesome at the time too.

The Ajinca pick looks bad now, but they were going for Hibbert/Hickson.

17th Hibbert
18th McGee
19th Hickson

...just missed it by that much. Either way we ultimately didn't miss out on any game changer (so far anyway) in a Babbitt, Seraphin or Bledsoe.

Gana definitely, and Tyrus too. Everything you said about DJ is right too. All LB.

LB did what he was brought in to do however; get us into the playoffs and do it quickly...we're trying to build the fanbase and to do that you got to win. He also made guys like Crash better and brought in Raja which ultimately gave us the #1 defense in the NBA.

After he got them there the 1st time Jordan (coincidentally now the new owner and playing with a bigger stake of his cash vs. Top Bob's) decides to totally reverse course and "rebuild". Larry Brown ain't a "rebuild" kind of guy and I think everyone and their grandmother knows that...so he bitched. Loudly. That's what he does. No one should have been even a little surprised at the result. Jeez, EVERYONE knows how Larry Brown is. Jordan should have just let him go in the offseason. The fault for the fiasco at the end is his and his alone.

I think he's done more for this team than anyone else. That's not to say that what he did was such a stellar thing...but more of a finger at the other guys. He did do a lot of good though.

i thought the nazr/fabiotrade was one of his trades mid season. didn't research it though guess it was during the fbh era. still can't let him off the hook for anjinca. don't give up the pick unless you know you are getting your target.

[Plowright]

Chris Broussard ‏ @Chris_Broussard

Bobcats also expected to interview Brian Shaw...Stephen Silas, Paul Silas's son and current Bobcats assistant, will also be interviewed...
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Chris Broussard ‏ @Chris_Broussard

Bobcats will also talk with Pat Ewing, tho they haven't yet asked for permission from Orlando...they have talked briefly with Nate McMillan
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Chris Broussard ‏ @Chris_Broussard

...Bobcats will interview Mike Dunlap, associate head coach at St. John's U, & Cleveland Cavs assistant Nate Tibbetts next week, sources say

[McBeastie]

Just read those tweets, lol. Anyone familiar with Dunlap or Tibbetts?

[BobCatsFanInTx]

Coaching women is not the same as coaching men. It's a similar situation with how college basketball coaches don't always make great NBA coaches or how college football coaches don't always translate well into the NFL. There's a different coaching style that works with men vs women. It's not JUST about the x's and o's. I'm not saying we shouldn't consider coaches who primarily coached women (with success) just that there might be good reason to be cautious in doing so.At this point after having the worst season in the history of the league with a predominantly NBA head coach who had some success at one time, what do we really have to lose by hiring a Michael Cooper or a Bill Laimbeer? I would trust those two over any of the Silases and you can not find out how a women's coach would do if nobody will hire them. Barriers are made to be broken and somebody in life has to take a chance for that to happen. Much of our old and idiotic beliefs about color and women have been shattered because someone thought to take a chance and do what was right. If MJ wants to be above the fray than he should interview both Laimbeer and Cooper and at least get a feel for if they are capable of doing the job.

I am a Nuggets fan as well and I fully remember the job Michael Cooper did in an interim head coaching job. Why he did not work out I do not know? Given the situation he did a pretty good job. As far as Bill Laimbeer who was as tough as they come, do you think he can not get the respect of male athletes? My guess is he can. I realize that MJ may not like Bill Laimbeer based on his playing days but neither are playing and both now should have some respect for one another.

In the end I am not advocating that we MUST hire one of these two men to head coach our team but I am saying that our front office should at least be open to interviewing the two head coaches I mentioned.

[Scottley Crue]

In addition to what Broussard tweeted, here's a new name courtesy of Sam Amick:

Sam Amick ‏ @sam_amick
Regarding Charlotte coaching vacancy, sources say Memphis assistant Dave Joerger will also be interviewed.

They really seem to be looking at all possibilities in the "up-and-coming" category. I like what they're doing. Hopefully, it will pay great dividends in the near future.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

love the group of people they are interviewing

[Scottley Crue]

A little more info from ESPN article about Ewing. It sheds a little more light on the guys that Broussard tweeted about. Seems Tibbets and Cho know each other pretty well and Tibbets has a good rep around the league as well.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7905683/patrick-ewing-get-interview-charlotte-bobcats-coach-sources-say

[ohara831]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--bobcats-to-interview-mike-malone.html;_ylt=AgOrkxClgPwyYb3.RaAifQY5nYcB

So, we will hire from those who are less in demand? I sure hope Wojo is wrong on this one. Liking what I've been hearing about Malone. As much as I love this team, I could walk away from them if MJ decides to screw this up by going with a friend over a more qualified person. No way is Ewing more qualified than Malone.

[McBeastie]

No way is Ewing more qualified than Malone.

He's not. It's kind of funny how most of the candidates are 'viewed around the league' as something, but I don't think I've seen that written with Ewing. He's just 'an assistant for 8 years', lol.

But this is Cho's search all the way. If Ewing somehow gets the gig when other, more qualified guys have shown interest, I agree it's probably a bad sign as to how much say Cho really has in the team.

[Potato]

In addition to what Broussard tweeted, here's a new name courtesy of Sam Amick:

Sam Amick ‏ @sam_amick
Regarding Charlotte coaching vacancy, sources say Memphis assistant Dave Joerger will also be interviewed.

They really seem to be looking at all possibilities in the "up-and-coming" category. I like what they're doing. Hopefully, it will pay great dividends in the near future.YES

that's who I'm hyping for the job. Him or Malone.

[ammofan]

Joerger or malone

[JGib23]

I wonder if the team will wait to interview Brian Shaw after the playoffs or if they will want to lock someone in if they like them?

A lot of interesting candidates- I'm pretty excited to see who we land.

[adam187]

Just read those tweets, lol. Anyone familiar with Dunlap or Tibbetts?

from this espn article: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7905683/patrick-ewing-get-interview-charlotte-bobcats-coach-sources-say


Next week in Charlotte, said the sources, the Bobcats will interview two fairly unknown assistant coaches, Mike Dunlap of St. John's University, and Nate Tibbetts, an assistant coach with the Cleveland Cavaliers. Before assisting Steve Lavin at St. John's, the 53-year-old Dunlap worked at Arizona and Oregon. He also spent two years as an assistant on George Karl's staff in Denver.

Tibbetts, 34, was a head coach in the NBA's D-League for four years prior to joining Byron Scott's Cavaliers staff in December and is viewed around the league as a young up-and-comer in the mold of Oklahoma City's Scott Brooks and Miami's Erik Spoelstra. Tibbetts and Cho developed a relationship while Cho was an assistant general manager in Oklahoma City and Tibbetts was coaching the Thunder's D-League affiliate, the Tulsa 66ers.

"Coach Dunlap's being invited to interview for the head coaching position with the Charlotte Bobcats is a compliment to Mike and our program," Lavin said of Dunlap. "I enthusiastically support Mike in the process. As a head coach, I encourage all of my assistants to aspire to become head coaches."

Tibbetts might be Cho's man. I would not be sad with him and would actually be pretty happy with David Joerger as well.

[teej]

Just giving Ewing an interview is probably MJ doing a favor. If Ewing wants to be a head coach, he has to get interviewed first, and what better way to get your name out and practice your skills than to "interview" for your friend's team?

Tibbets seems interesting, Dunlap not so much. Joerger seems to be ok, and Malone and Shaw are obviously high-demand guys for a reason. And Budenholzer is good, but I'd worry about him adjusting after being in San Antonio nearly as long as I've been alive.

As for Sloan, he seemed perfectly healthy (unlike LB) when they showed him on tv at the Jazz game. But he seems quite entrenched in Utah community-wise so I don't see that happening, for the same reason I'd worry about Budenholzer. Change can be good, but not as much as would be required for these guys to be comfortable.

Don't want McMillan or MDA, though I'd prefer MDA of the two.

Depending on how Cho feels about Vinny Del Negro's coaching abilities (as in, if he's really good or deservedly criticized) and thus how much coaching VDN actually does, I'd be interested in Howard Eisley and Robert Pack off of LAC's staff. Eisley was mentored by Sloan and Pop as a player, and Pack has been everywhere. Dean Demopoulis might be interesting too.

[bes628]

Well out of the list of legit candidates I guess it better be Shaw or Malone.

[ND22]

I am just happy we are interviewing a wide range of coaches. Most of them are assistants (which is the right way to go) and each have different qualities that I think would fit here. Putting Ewing aside, this search seems headed by Cho (also the right way to go).

[ziggy]

I do NOT want Ewing as our next head coach, but are there any positives that he would bring to the table as a head coach?

[Scottley Crue]

Tibbets and Ewing were already mentioned, but here's official word (from good 'ol Rick) that they are being interviewed this week.

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2012/05/nate-tibbetts-patrick-ewing-next-up-in-charlotte-bobcats-coaching-search.html

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

I do NOT want Ewing as our next head coach, but are there any positives that he would bring to the table as a head coach?
His great big man coaching, as witnessed by Dwights highly refined post game.............

[McBeastie]

I don't doubt that Ewing could bring something to the table as a "bigs" coach. He has experience in that area, but I just haven't seen anything that would make me comfortable with him as a head coach over the other candidates. All he really has to hang his hat on is Dwight Howard, and even then, Magic fans aren't convinced he was the biggest reason for his development. He also worked with this guy for a couple summers too. Lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mArHU1ewSog

[Scottley Crue]

More formal interviews, per Chris Broussard:

Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard
Charlotte interviewing St. John's asst Mike Dunlap today, Patrick Ewing tomorrow and Memphis asst Dave Joerger on Friday for head coach job

[Proudiddy]

Exciting to see all the interviews going on instead of how we've traditionally locked onto one guy and brought him in.

[spectre]

FWIW I read on the Blazers' forum that Jason Quick (their Bonnell) talked to Malone and he told him that their coaching position is much more desirable than ours.

Of course they don't know if Malone is at the top of the Blazers' list...but either way I thought I'd toss that out there.

[SWedd523]

FWIW I read on the Blazers' forum that Jason Quick (their Bonnell) talked to Malone and he told him that their coaching position is much more desirable than ours.

Of course they don't know if Malone is at the top of the Blazers' list...but either way I thought I'd toss that out there.
You expect anything less from a Blazers forum? lol

[Plowright]

Malone won't be saying that if we draft Anthony Davis

[spectre]

You expect anything less from a Blazers forum? lol

I'd expect them to not lie about relaying what Quick said.

I also said FWIW.

Ass!

[SWedd523]

I'd expect them to not lie about relaying what Quick said.

I also said FWIW.

Ass!

Ass? Did somebody say ass?

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Ass? Did somebody say ass?

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[teej]

That...that is why I have no problems with life on earth.

[WAM9]

You guys are hilarious!

Great post and counter-post!

[mrfargo]

need to pick my jaw up of the floor.......HELLLLLLO NURSE

[ziggy]

That should become a new BCP rule. Anytime someone uses the word ass in a post, they have to include the appropriate pic

[Plowright]

That scene is from two and a half men if I am not mistaken? Or maybe white chicks...

[Mustachio]

That scene is from two and a half men if I am not mistaken? Or maybe white chicks...

"I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry" actually. I once broke 3 straight DVD players rewinding and slow-moing that scene.

http://www.flickscribe.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/jessica-biel-376x300.jpg

The front ain't so bad either.

In the event that the female genetic code is lost or irreversibly mutated, we must use this picture to rebuild it.

[Chef]

"I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry" actually. I once broke 3 straight DVD players rewinding and slow-moing that scene.

http://www.flickscribe.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/jessica-biel-376x300.jpg

The front ain't so bad either.

In the event that the female genetic code is lost or irreversibly mutated, we must use this picture to rebuild it.

what is crazy is that justin timberlake has things locked down so well that he can afford to spread himself around even though he has that at home.

[ND22]

That should become a new BCP rule. Anytime someone uses the word ass in a post, they have to include the appropriate pic

Agreed. Hence forth that shall be the case.

[Potato]

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell
I'm told Grizzlies assistant Dave Joerger is next up for #Bobcats interview. Defensive specialist, won a title as a D-League head coach.

YES YES YES

[ND22]

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell
I'm told Grizzlies assistant Dave Joerger is next up for #Bobcats interview. Defensive specialist, won a title as a D-League head coach.

YES YES YES

I am in agreement here.

[Potato]

I am in agreement here.

I have wanted him or Malone this whole time but I prefer Joerger. He's a good defensive coach and I think to win games we're gonna have to be strong defensively. Think what he could do with youngsters Anthony Davis and Bismack Biyombo along with Mullens manning the paint for years to come. He's the best fit possible here and at least has experience as a head coach, even if it is the minor league level.

[Katmandu]

He's a good defensive coach and I think to win games we're gonna have to be strong defensively. Think what he could do with youngsters Anthony Davis and Bismack Biyombo along with Mullens manning the paint for years to come.

I appreciate good defense, I really do. But don't we need to somehow put the ball in the basket now and then? If we're lucky enough to land Davis, he'll come in as a good defensive player. Bismack is a good post defender. Mullens played in the off season with prison inmates and he's still soft so I don't think he's ever going to be the the kind of defender you want from a seven footer.
We were not a good team last year offensively or defensively, but weren't we more offensive offensively? I don't want Dantonio, but is a defensive specialist our top priority?

[ND22]

I appreciate good defense, I really do. But don't we need to somehow put the ball in the basket now and then? If we're lucky enough to land Davis, he'll come in as a good defensive player. Bismack is a good post defender. Mullens played in the off season with prison inmates and he's still soft so I don't think he's ever going to be the the kind of defender you want from a seven footer.
We were not a good team last year offensively or defensively, but weren't we more offensive offensively? I don't want Dantonio, but is a defensive specialist our top priority?

I prefer a defensive minded coach over an offensive one. Scoring points comes when you have players who can score the ball (which we don't have), and assistants can teach players that struggle on offense to score.

The Bulls this year were 18th in points per game at 96.3 but were 1st in points allowed at 88.2 (and remember this is without Derrick Rose for almost 30 games). Even without Rose, they still posted the best record in the league. This was all possible because Tom Thibadeau got his team to play defense.

We were horrible on both sides of the ball this year (and probably worse offensively), but the most important thing for us to establish ourselves defensively. How many times did we go into the 4th quarter in a close game only to lose by at least 20?

In 2010 we made the playoffs because we lacked scorers but played defense. Next year our team will still lack scorers, so it is important we establish ourselves on defense first, and when we finally draft and sign the scorers, the offensive production will rise with it.

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I'd assume that a defensive minded coach would get us competitive much sooner.

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[Dcarnys]

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell
So if Spoelstra gets fired, should #Bobcats consider him? I sure would.

Assinie to consider?? Discus

http://i.imgur.com/tjIO5.jpg

[SWedd523]

Can someone with twitter please ask that ass-hat (too easy?) Bonnell why he "definitely would" consider Spoelstra?


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[ND22]

To Spo's credit, he has to deal with a bunch of ass-holes all the time, and it hasn't appeared to have broken him.

http://www.nba.com/bobcats/photos/100601_natasha_02.jpg

#NeverForget

[Chef]

hopefully the gay kid isn't going to post on this thread. i sure am enjoying it so far.

[polarcat]

Glad to see our brass is interviewing several coaches with different backgrounds to seek out the right guy.

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[dnbman]

What about Brandon Bass as a player/coach? I know he's a little young.

http://www.magicbasketball.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/0555df363fce0f774242b0385c1bca5b-getty-112196022kc033_orlando_magi.jpg

[SWedd523]

dnb with the...

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[spectre]

To Spo's credit, he has to deal with a bunch of ass-holes all the time, and it hasn't appeared to have broken him.

http://www.nba.com/bobcats/photos/100601_natasha_02.jpg

#NeverForget

I ain't forgetting anything.

What the hell was this thread about again?

[ND22]

I ain't forgetting anything.

What the hell was this thread about again?

Something about flying coach?

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

anyone see the report that said sources said ewing has a "good chance" to become the bobcats head coach?....thoughts? lol

[ND22]

anyone see the report that said sources said ewing has a "good chance" to become the bobcats head coach?....thoughts? lol

Yeah...I don't trust the source. All its saying is Ewing isn't a courtesy hire.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/18/report-patrick-ewing-has-good-chance-at-bobcats-job/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

There's no way Ewing is the most qualified. Only way he gets it is if the more qualified coaches turn down the job.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

or if MJ is trying to hire a coach for cheap

[tondi]

Ewing is too close to being in the FOM category for me to want us to bring him on board. I know the coach does work for the owner but I would prefer someone with no prior ties to MJ, especially if those ties would prevent the coach from forcefully arguing their opinion when appropriate. My fear would be that Ewing goes along to get along instead of taking control and we wind up spinning our wheels for a couple of years.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

I'd have no problem if the guy has the credentials to be our head coach and is MJ's friend...but idk about ewing

[ND22]

McMillian and Silas interviewing today. I think McMillian is a decent coach, but is he right for this team? Probably not.

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2012/05/nate-mcmillan-in-town-to-interview-with-charlotte-bobcats.html

[Mustachio]

McMillian and Silas interviewing today. I think McMillian is a decent coach, but is he right for this team? Probably not.

http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2012/05/nate-mcmillan-in-town-to-interview-with-charlotte-bobcats.html


McMillian is literally the worst candidate for this job out there. We won 7 games last year, do we want to bring in a coach who had 50x the talent but did absolutely nothing with it? Do we want a coach that RAYMOND FREAKING FELTON led a mutiny against?
The Bobcats have never won a playoff series, and neither has Nate. He is the worst candidate. Don't even interview him.

Say No to NATE.

[WAM9]

McMillian is literally the worst candidate for this job out there. We won 7 games last year, do we want to bring in a coach who had 50x the talent but did absolutely nothing with it? Do we want a coach that RAYMOND FREAKING FELTON led a mutiny against?
The Bobcats have never won a playoff series, and neither has Nate. He is the worst candidate. Don't even interview him.

Say No to NATE.

Agreed. The issue with Felton is enough to tell me that we do not want him!

[SWedd523]

McMillian is literally the worst candidate for this job out there. We won 7 games last year, do we want to bring in a coach who had 50x the talent but did absolutely nothing with it? Do we want a coach that RAYMOND FREAKING FELTON led a mutiny against?
The Bobcats have never won a playoff series, and neither has Nate. He is the worst candidate. Don't even interview him.

Say No to NATE.
Tell us how you really feel.

[Desperado18]

http://iyfmedia.wordpress.com/2012/05/15/phil-jackson-should-coach-the-bobcats/

While the thought of Phil even thinking about coming here may seem idiotic and fairy tale like, the only decent point made here is that he really has never built from the ground up..MJ can really help out the franchise if he gets off the golf course and works his a** off on this

[Bobcat4Ever]

SVG was just fired. We have a shot?