How the various 2012 big men fit with Biyombo

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Anthony Davis aside, because he trumps any "positional" needs....

Keeping in mind that we might trade one pick down for two, and that players can make a dramatic rise in reputation between now and the draft.....

Tyler Zeller. I could get excited about him with Biyombo. I'm guessing Zeller is a little tougher on the interior than Mullens. He's a decent--if not super--shotblocker, and his lateral movement can shut down a pick-and-roll or drive to the lane. Has a solid 12-15 foot face-up shot. Great little jump hook off the catch. It's well known he can run the floor. Probably can play some PF. Could interchange with Biyombo on the defensive end depending on matchups, and provides a great compliment to Biyombo on the offensive side. Sure, he's a 4-year college guy, but I like the kid.

Jared Sullinger. Next to Biyombo, we could use a space-eater on the defensive end and an offensively-skilled big. Check. But I'm worried about his below-the-rim style and whether or not he can pull his game off against elite, long, high-flying athletes. If he can, he's a great fit. Anxious to see his measurables.

Thomas Robinson. Reminds me a LITTLE of a young Larry Johnson with his beastly upper body and rebounding ability. Doesn't appear to have LJ's refined post up game though. Also might be a little too close to LJ in height once the measurements come out. I know he's strong, but has he demonstrated that he applies his strength on the defensive end?? He and Biyombo might not offer up enough sheer size to bother opposing offenses. A solid prospect with his boardwork, but maybe not the right fit for our young core.

Andre Drummond. Disappointing season. What is YOUR take on him next to 'Smack?

John Henson. A very poor man's Anthony Davis?? He's strictly a PF at 220 lbs., so you'd have to play Biyombo only against the often heavier "centers". No doubt Henson would be swatting shots left and right with 'Smack. But there is more to defense than collecting blocked shots. Note that the Bobcats rank well as shotblockers but are near the bottom in opponent FG%. You have to provide a "roadblock" in the lane and plug it up with size. Henson is not much of a roadblock for anything. I like the fact he's shown signs of an outside stroke. What do y'all think? I'm sure plenty of you saw more of UNC than I did this year.

Terrence Jones. Too much of a Wing/Big 'tweener?? His 249 lbs and supposed 7'2" wingspan offer promise that he COULD be a face-up big in the league. A face-up big would be nice with Biyombo's currently limited offense. Personality issues??

Myers Leonard. 7-footer. Don't know enough about him. Would love everyone else's thoughts on him.

Thank you for reading!!

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

i'd love to see Andre Drummond or Jared Sullinger next to Bismack Biyombo if we don't get the 1st pick. I just think that Drummond complements him nicely with his amazing lateral quickness, the help D would be amazing. On the other hand he doesn't really box out that well and we'd have a pretty raw front line for a bit. Sullinger works better on the opposing end of the court he's got a great post game but I love the fact that he can space the floor aswell all the way out to the 3 although not consistently at the moment. If we draft any of them I think we'll have an exciting line up.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

i'd love to see Andre Drummond or Jared Sullinger next to Bismack Biyombo if we don't get the 1st pick. I just think that Drummond complements him nicely with his amazing lateral quickness, the help D would be amazing. On the other hand he doesn't really box out that well and we'd have a pretty raw front line for a bit. Sullinger works better on the opposing end of the court he's got a great post game but I love the fact that he can space the floor aswell all the way out to the 3 although not consistently at the moment. If we draft any of them I think we'll have an exciting line up.

Thanks for the input! What is your take on the season that Drummond had?

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Best fits assuming they can be effective in the league:

Zeller
Sullinger

Decent fits assuming they can be effective in the league:

Terrence Jones(assuming he's long enough to be a 4)
Henson (at least he's a long, springy athlete. There are worse things)

Poor fits:

Thomas Robinson. I'm thinking he's not tall/long enough. BUT, if he's decidedly BETTER than all of these other guys, I guess you still have to take him.

Not evaluated:

Andre Drummond
Meyers Leonard
Others

[SWedd523]

To be incredibly rudimentary:



Prospect Rank

1. Anthony Davis
2. Thomas Robinson
3. Andre Drummond
4. Cody Zeller
5. Jared Sullinger
6. Meyers Leonard
7. Perry Jones
8. John Henson
9. Tyler Zeller
10. Arnett Moultrie


Biyombo Fit Rank

1. Davis
2. T Zeller
3. Sullinger
4. C Zeller
5. Drummond
6. Leonard
7. Robinson
8. Moultrie
9. Jones
10. Henson


That puts the guys in these tiers:


Anthony Davis


Andre Drummond
Cody Zeller
Jared Sullinger
Thomas Robinson

Tyler Zeller

Meyers Leonard

Perry Jones

John Henson
Arnett Moultrie

[MadBOBCATfanUK]

Thanks for the input! What is your take on the season that Drummond had?
completely underwhelming, showed glimmers but didn't dominate or become the focal point of UConn like many expected him to but I just think his huge upside is worth it and I hope he doesn't turn into one of those what if we drafted him guys.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

To be incredibly rudimentary:



Prospect Rank

1. Anthony Davis
2. Thomas Robinson
3. Andre Drummond
4. Cody Zeller
5. Jared Sullinger
6. Meyers Leonard
7. Perry Jones
8. John Henson
9. Tyler Zeller
10. Arnett Moultrie


Biyombo Fit Rank

1. Davis
2. T Zeller
3. Sullinger
4. C Zeller
5. Drummond
6. Leonard
7. Robinson
8. Moultrie
9. Jones
10. Henson


That puts the guys in these tiers:


Anthony Davis


Andre Drummond
Cody Zeller
Jared Sullinger
Thomas Robinson

Tyler Zeller

Meyers Leonard

Perry Jones

John Henson
Arnett Moultrie

Thanks Swedd!! That's very cool that you took the time to do that.

I notice you have Henson really low as a Biyombo fit, whereas I was a little more lukewarm on that. What issues do you see there?

What is your take on Cody Zeller fitting in? I haven't seen enough of him.

[Plowright]

I think your missing Fab Melo out. I wouldnt be surprised if he was maybe around for our 2nd round pick

[Veteran_Picksetter]

To be incredibly rudimentary:



Prospect Rank

1. Anthony Davis
2. Thomas Robinson
3. Andre Drummond
4. Cody Zeller
5. Jared Sullinger
6. Meyers Leonard
7. Perry Jones
8. John Henson
9. Tyler Zeller
10. Arnett Moultrie


Biyombo Fit Rank

1. Davis
2. T Zeller
3. Sullinger
4. C Zeller
5. Drummond
6. Leonard
7. Robinson
8. Moultrie
9. Jones
10. Henson


That puts the guys in these tiers:


Anthony Davis


Andre Drummond
Cody Zeller
Jared Sullinger
Thomas Robinson

Tyler Zeller

Meyers Leonard

Perry Jones

John Henson
Arnett Moultrie

Now that we finally have the benefit of the combine measurements, I wonder if any of us would feel differently on this thread.

I'm definitely lowering Zeller as a Biyombo fit. I just can't get with an 8'8" standing reach on a Center who isn't all that bulky. Tyler might have to be more strictly a 4-man.

Now that we know T-Rob is solidly 6'9" with an 8'10.25" standing reach on normal shoe soles with a 7'3" wingspan, I would raise him slightly as a fit for Biyombo. A frontline of 6'9" 245ish and 6'9" 245ish doesn't look great on paper. But we know those are two tough kids with enough length and strength between the two of them.......

Sullinger is looking even better as a Biyombo fit. With an 8'11" standing reach and tremendous weight, he might be able to slide over and defend Centers a little more, depending on the match ups.

[Mustachio]

Now that we finally have the benefit of the combine measurements, I wonder if any of us would feel differently on this thread.

I'm definitely lowering Zeller as a Biyombo fit. I just can't get with an 8'8" standing reach on a Center who isn't all that bulky. Tyler might have to be more strictly a 4-man.

Now that we know T-Rob is solidly 6'9" with an 8'10.25" standing reach on normal shoe soles with a 7'3" wingspan, I would raise him slightly as a fit for Biyombo. A frontline of 6'9" 245ish and 6'9" 245ish doesn't look great on paper. But we know those are two tough kids with enough length and strength between the two of them.......

Sullinger is looking even better as a Biyombo fit. With an 8'11" standing reach and tremendous weight, he might be able to slide over and defend Centers a little more, depending on the match ups.


Just from doing some quick research and watching the combine today. I would put Meyers Leonard way up on the list if you believe Biyombo can be or should be a PF. Leonard has tested out great in height 7'1! and length. with a 5% body fat. Long arms, good soft hands. And can leap. If you think Biyombo is best at center like I do, then I'm not sure he is the guy we want or need. But I think he will continue climbing up the board until draft day, and will be a good to very good NBA player. Just not at power forward.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

Just from doing some quick research and watching the combine today. I would put Meyers Leonard way up on the list if you believe Biyombo can be or should be a PF. Leonard has tested out great in height 7'1! and length. with a 5% body fat. Long arms, good soft hands. And can leap. If you think Biyombo is best at center like I do, then I'm not sure he is the guy we want or need. But I think he will continue climbing up the board until draft day, and will be a good to very good NBA player. Just not at power forward.

Thank you. I don't know enough about him. He looks awkward in some highlights but I haven't given him a chance.

[Chef]

perhaps the better question is are any of the big men we can take at #2 going to be better than biz and should we take them? i am certainly not 100% sold on biz as a future cornerstone.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

perhaps the better question is are any of the big men we can take at #2 going to be better than biz and should we take them? i am certainly not 100% sold on biz as a future cornerstone.

Fair enough. I honestly think Biz could be a great third big off the bench to guard both positions. Play him and two other bigs at 32 minutes apiece.

Robinson and Mullens could be kind of interesting. There's not enough post up game there, but there are some face up shooting abilities, and T-Rob brings all the toughness that Mullens doesn't.

[Mustachio]

Fair enough. I honestly think Biz could be a great third big off the bench to guard both positions. Play him and two other bigs at 32 minutes apiece.

Robinson and Mullens could be kind of interesting. There's not enough post up game there, but there are some face up shooting abilities, and T-Rob brings all the toughness that Mullens doesn't.

I don't think this is far from the realm of possibility at all. Look at OKC, Ibaka doesn't play a full game and they hide him during crunch time for free throws and what not. I could see us using Biz in the same light. Mullens/Robinson is pretty intriguing and we don't talk about it enough, but the front office often mentions his name as a keeper so we may need to start thinking along these lines.


But Chef is right... We take the best big man available and in 2 years if Biz aint living up to the hype we move him. can't fall in love, as easy as it is with Biz. We've said it a thousand times, but the honest to god truth is... we just have to find good basketball players no matter the size or position. Thats why I think our best bet is Robinson if Davis isn't available.

[Hugo]

I would love to trade down and get 6/11 and draft either Barnes, Waiters or anyone who falls and Meyers Leonard. I think Leonard could be great and I think Waiters is gonna be a superstar.

[WAM9]

I am completely sold on Biz being a cornerstone. That may change in a year or 2 but as of today, I am fully expecting him to be a starter for us at C for the next 10 years or more.

Even with that being the case, I would not rule out anyone as the best pick. Some on this site, really feel like Biz projects as a PF. While I don't really agree with this, it does show his flexibility, roster wise, going forward.

At the end of the day though, I completely see Robinson and Biz as the best possible pairing here (assuming Davis is gone).

[spectre]

I am completely sold on Biz being a cornerstone. That may change in a year or 2 but as of today, I am fully expecting him to be a starter for us at C for the next 10 years or more.

Even with that being the case, I would not rule out anyone as the best pick. Some on this site, really feel like Biz projects as a PF. While I don't really agree with this, it does show his flexibility, roster wise, going forward.

At the end of the day though, I completely see Robinson and Biz as the best possible pairing here (assuming Davis is gone).

What Wam said.