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Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan
04-14-2012, 11:00 PM
If we get a pick that isnt the #1 would you rather have us pick MKG or Beal? I still dont know yet....Wanna see everyone else's thoughts

gamecocksmitty4
04-14-2012, 11:05 PM
MKG. The guy has excellent BBall IQ, is a true leader on and off the court, and has a lot of potential. I sincerely see him becoming a good-to-great scorer after a few years in the league. Plus he brings excitement to his team. Beal, on the other hand, is going to Henderson's clone but a slightly better shooter. He won't light it up from three but will be ok. That, and his aggressiveness, are the only things I can see him having better than Hendo. I don't see Beal ever being more than a 3rd option and I can see MKG being a solid 2nd option after a few years of developing his offensive game.

Whiz Kid
04-14-2012, 11:19 PM
Solid argument but a more legit argument here would be Bradley Beal or Jeremy Lamb. But yeah, MKG isn't really GREAT at one thing, decent all-around player. Beal will probably be more reliable in the long run as far as offense. MKG is more hyped up right now. Only time will tell.

SWedd523
04-15-2012, 12:32 AM
Gilchrist hasn't shown any offensive potential outside of transition offense and cuts to the basket. His jumper is going to hold him back from being a consistent threat from three and his ball handling isn't as strong as you would like. His realtive lack of size is also going to hurt his production as he doesn't have the height or bulk to match up with the growing trend of big SFs. He is, however, very hardworking and plays at a high energy level. He knows what he's good at and plays within himself, won't cause any trouble, and works well in a team concept. While not an elite athlete, he doesn't have any real weakness so he should fit in very well on an NBA court. He hits the glass hard and isn't afraid to get his hands dirty. He'll get the majority of his buckets in the open court and in the flow of the game.

He's the ultimate glue guy, and that is both good and bad. He isn't elite in any aspect of the game, so he won't be a #1 guy, but he doesn't have any real weaknesses either. He gives me a lot of "less knucklehead Tony Allen vibes"


Beal is going to be a very dependable offensive player. He can handle the ball, drive, and has elite range. From the get-go, he'll be able to cause matchup problems because he score on his opponent in a variety of ways. He is very intelligent on the floor and manages to produce no matter what situation he's in (as evidenced by his strong freshman season playing alongside two chuckers). He's a very strong defender and hits the glass as hard as any other guard out there. On the negative side, he's a solid, but not elite athlete and is of average height (6'4"ish) for a SG which might cause some trouble with the growing trend of either super quick combos like Ellis or the new wave of lanky tweeners like Turner/George.

He's a very safe pick, in that you know you're going to get a smart, tough, well-rounded player who doesn't have any weaknesses. He might not be explosive enough to be a true #1 guy, but he's exactly the type of player you want as your #2. Stylistically, he's very similar to my boy Eric Gordon, but hopefully he won't have the same injury concerns.



You really can't go wrong with either guy. I think Beal will be a better pro because he projects to be a better offensive player, but it really depends on what exactly you're looking for

Plowright
04-15-2012, 03:51 AM
For me it is whoever is wearing the better suit on draft night (in other words I am happy with either)

dnbman
04-15-2012, 09:03 AM
Swedd: NBAdraft.net compares MKG to AI2. Is that a fair comparison?

SWedd523
04-15-2012, 11:14 AM
Swedd: NBAdraft.net compares MKG to AI2. Is that a fair comparison?
Who's AI2? Iguodala?

Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan
04-15-2012, 05:37 PM
Who's AI2? Iguodala?

yeah iggy........

SWedd523
04-15-2012, 05:45 PM
Gilchrist isn't nearly as athletic or as good a passer as Iguodala.

You could get away with calling him a less athletic Gerald Wallace (but with more polish) or maybe a less physical Ron Artest, but I still really think Tony Allen is a good fit

Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan
04-15-2012, 06:05 PM
Ive heard people compare him to corey magette with better defense

ohara831
04-15-2012, 07:15 PM
I would likely take Beal over MKG, but I hope we are not faced with the option.

bes628
04-15-2012, 07:26 PM
Gotta go with MKG. I just like his overall game.

Kemba2Hendo
04-15-2012, 09:53 PM
I would likely take Beal over MKG, but I hope we are not faced with the option.

Me too. I'd take Beal 2nd although I hope we never know who we'd have to pick 2nd.

Pepperz
04-16-2012, 12:45 AM
We have to look at everybody and not just how the team is built from this draft but look at future drafts as well. If we select Beal, would we still select somebody like Shabazz in next years? MKG would pair really well with Shabazz if we dont get the top pick this year but we get next years. We have to look at this from an analytical view just like Cho.

SWedd523
04-16-2012, 01:00 AM
We have to look at everybody and not just how the team is built from this draft but look at future drafts as well. If we select Beal, would we still select somebody like Shabazz in next years? MKG would pair really well with Shabazz if we dont get the top pick this year but we get next years. We have to look at this from an analytical view just like Cho.
Ehh that borders on the line of outsmarting yourself (general you, not you in particular). There are simply too many variables at play to make moves now that hinge on next year's draft. If Beal is the BPA, you don't pass on him just because you might get Muhammed next year.

What happens if Muhammed completely fails next year and ends up being nothing but hype (Barnes)?
What if he stays in school for his second year?
What if we get better enough and aren't in position to draft him?
What if he (knock on wood) suffers a career ending injury?
What if he decides he doesn't want to play basketball anymore?
What if we pass on Beal and he becomes a 20+ point guy out the gate and Gilchrist is nothing but a role player?


Sure you might want to "consider" next year's draft, but this year you take the best guy, regardless. Cho is smart enough to make the talent fit

Pepperz
04-16-2012, 01:33 AM
Very true, alot can happen from now till next year. That is why you need to have flexibility going forward. My draft board is based on a tier list. Davis is at the top followed by Beal and MKG in the next tier. I would like to go BPA but if two guys that you cant really determine the BPA, you go with best fit for position. Ill stay away from T. Rob and all the bigs this year for next year there are going to be a ton of top quality bigs. I dont want to be in a position where we have a top pick again and the BPA is all bigs and we are forced to try to fit Bis, T. Rob and next years big into a rotation for mins.

We can go with Beal for there is not really a top SG in next years class after Shabazz. There are a few more guys that can play the SF compared to SG that are near the top when it comes to us picking. This also leaves a spot open for a big next year if they happen to be BPA when we pick.

We can go MKG which allows the possibility of a guy like Shabazz to come into the team without taking some quality guys mins. The big is still a possibility too.

SWedd523
04-16-2012, 01:46 AM
Definitely valid points, I don't really think Beal or Gilchrist has separated himself from the other so it's really up to Cho to decide where he wants to go moving forward because I won't pretend to know what he's thinking.

The good thing, if you want to call it that, about being in our position is that you really can't go wrong with who we pick. Take Beal? Okay, we still have to fix the rebounding and post scoring. Take Robinson? Okay, we still have to fix perimeter defense and scoring. Take Gilchrist? Okay, we sti..... you get my point.

We're still going to be in the position next year to have the pick of the buffet because we are going to blow again no matter who's on the team.

Pepperz
04-16-2012, 02:19 AM
To be honest, I really dont think you can go wrong with either one. Both bring something to the table and I feel that both are going to be amazing players. Cho is a very bright person and is going to analysis every possible scenario into our situation and go with the best one for us. I wouldnt even doubt if he is taking FA from this year and next year into consideration. The analytical mind that he brings is such a blessing. Just like a chess player. You have to think 3-5 moves ahead of everybody. And if you plan on thinking of 3-5 moves ahead, you better have flexibility for your plans can change on a dime.

Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan
04-16-2012, 08:11 PM
read somewhere on websites one scout said BEAL is the BEST shooter in terms or catch and shoot he has seen since RAY ALLEN.....wow!!!

ziggy
04-16-2012, 09:58 PM
read somewhere on websites one scout said BEAL is the BEST shooter in terms or catch and shoot he has seen since RAY ALLEN.....wow!!!

I remember seeing these 2 guys shoot in college and I KNEW that their shooting was going to be hellacious at the NBA level. I just didn't get that same vibe from watching Beal, maybe it's just me :g:

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Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan
04-16-2012, 10:06 PM
I feel that if he played with less of a shot jackin PG he wouldve had better numbers....this guy might be a little undersized at 6 foot 3 or 4 but hes strong takes it to the rim hard if he needs too i like his game alot

Plowright
04-17-2012, 04:34 AM
Someone has been reading DA's Shooting guard big board bbf haha

Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan
04-17-2012, 03:06 PM
Someone has been reading DA's Shooting guard big board bbf haha
so i see you know my sources.....lmfao

Plowright
04-20-2012, 12:49 PM
It was a good read to be fair