Tyrus Thomas

[Bobcat4Ever]

Charlotte coach Paul Silas and Tyrus Thomas had to be separated in locker room after Sunday loss, sources tell Y! Sports. Story soon on Y! - Adrian Wojnarowski

[Proudiddy]

Wow... Shoulda been amnestied...

[adam187]

they just posted a larger story: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--paul-silas--tyrus-thomas-have-altercation-in-bobcats--locker-room.html

[Proudiddy]

The story:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--paul-silas--tyrus-thomas-have-altercation-in-bobcats--locker-room.html

Charlotte Bobcats coach Paul Silas shoved 6-foot-10 forward Tyrus Thomas after a postgame screaming match Sunday night, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Several players intervened immediately and separated the coach and player, and no punches were thrown, sources said.

Silas, 68, had been incensed with Thomas chatting with some Boston Celtics players on the court, and lashed out at him in the losing locker room afterward. Eventually, Thomas snapped back at Silas, and the coach warned him to say no more or risk a suspension.

Once Thomas stood up, Silas pushed him toward his locker stall, sources said.

Bobcats general manager Rod Higgins met with Silas and Thomas, and both have been fined, a source said.

"There was an incident," Higgins told Y! Sports. "We handled it internally and talked to both the player and the coach and moved on. End of story."

[ Related: NBA disses Michael Jordan's Charlotte Bobcats ]

Thomas played 20 minutes Monday night in a loss to the New Orleans Hornets, the Bobcats' 17th straight.

Charlotte has spiraled to a 7-53 record, and the Boston loss had been especially embarrassing for Silas, who played for the Celtics during his career. The Celtics sat out Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen, and still won easily.

“Silas hates losing to the Celtics, and Paul was even angrier that he thought [Thomas] was acting buddy-buddy with some of their guys,” one source said. “That’s what got it going. But Paul was yelling at him over his salary, over what they have left to pay him. But it started with him saying, hey, he could live with the losing, but you’re going to be buddy-buddy as they’re beating your ass too?”

Wow. Silas ain't playing. Good for him, I personally think TT is loafing so he will get amnestied.

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

I hope we amnesty him....There's nothing funny about losing like that.....and especially what we're paying him he better be palying his hardest every night...if we dont amnesty him this summer.....man imma be pissed...good for silas for doing this speaking the truth

[Proudiddy]

Yeah, it seems with the losing this year that a lot of fans have turned their back on Paul. I love him personally. And this reminds me why. He's a player's coach, but a good one. He instills confidence in players that need it and will be there in your corner, but if you come out and play without heart, passion, and just loaf your way to a loss and pick up your paycheck (see Tyrus Thomas), then he's gonna call you out.

I know Diop sucks, but the dude tries. We finally shed ourselves of Diaw. Carroll sucks, but he tries and is a good guy overall. You can deal with guys making what they make as long as they aren't purposely hurting the team until their contract runs out... Because, well, no one is taking them off of us. As far as Tyrus, I have no idea why they didn't amnesty him once the new CBA was in place. I'm guessing they didn't expect him to suck THIS bad. They need to rectify this mistake ASAP and dump his ass.

[Mustachio]

Team Silas for sure in this one. Thats bitch mode stuff from Tyrus.


I do not however agree that we should amnesty him. It wouldn't help us even in the slightest bit at this point. We aren't pushing the salary cap, and we aren't in the get free agents mode. In essence it would be us paying him 9 million a year to play somewhere else. Sit his ass on the bench, try to buy him out. But whatever you do, don't pay that guy to get off our salary cap number when we aren't anywhere close to being able to use it. Pay him and force him to play, or bench him and publicly humiliate him. but don't let him win for being a bum.

[Proudiddy]

Good perspective Mustachio... I'm with you, I didn't think about it in that way. It's not like we're signing a max money FA anytime soon. Let him sit and watch and waste years of his ability on the bench. MJ would be paying him one way or the other and we don't need the cap room so, make him work for it.

[ohara831]

I was hoping TT would have hit Silas. Then we could have tried to void his contract and been rid of him. And then let Silas go at the end of the season. And start anew.

[ballwhore]

Yeah DJ told me about this but I didn't want to break this it seemed serious enough like it would filter off of bcp and back to me...Silas was pissed at him for bullsh#ting with the other players and told him about it and Tyrus was said to tell Silas to gone ahead with all that and silas didn't like his attitude so he told him to leave the locker room and he was suspended. Tyrus didn't budge and looked at him like make me leave Silas walked over to him flipped him out of his chair and jumped on to of him and was about to start punching the shit out of him but the players pulled him off. What's so old school and pimping about it is once that Silas got off of him he pushed everybody off and said i'm cool you better be lucky they pulled me off ya young ass... they paying you 24 mil over the next 3 yrs and you are not worth a dollar of that money...lmao

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

Yeah DJ told me about this but I didn't want to break this it seemed serious enough like it would filter off of bcp and back to me...Silas was pissed at him for bullsh#ting with the other players and told him about it and Tyrus was said to tell Silas to gone ahead with all that and silas didn't like his attitude so he told him to leave the locker room and he was suspended. Tyrus didn't budge and looked at him like make me leave Silas walked over to him flipped him out of his chair and jumped on to of him and was about to start punching the shit out of him but the players pulled him off. What's so old school and pimping about it is once that Silas got off of him he pushed everybody off and said i'm cool you better be lucky they pulled me off ya young ass... they paying you 24 mil over the next 3 yrs and you are not worth a dollar of that money...lmao

damn paul silas doesnt play man.....i got no doubt he wouldve killed tyrus scrawny ass in a fight

[Proudiddy]

I love Silas man, that is hilarious...

Ballwhore, has DJ said anything else about his future here or Silas'? Well, I mean anything you could share?

[Maal]

Damn, and we can't trade him for a bag of Lays right now......

[JGib23]

I wish the players would have left them alone. I would love to see Paul whip his punk ass.

Modern Day Nolan Ryan vs. Robin Ventura

I heard a different story.... I heard Tyrus said that he like the team name Bobcats better than Hornets and Paul lost his mind. Even Coach Silas wants to Bring Back The Buzz ;)

[Dcarnys]

I can't believe I defended the decision to resign this asshat over Felton. I'm sorry but this is un-excusable, get his ass out of here now!!

[ohara831]

Silas may be an old man now, but he could still whip TT's ass!

[Mustachio]

seems from Bonnells twitter feed that this is old news and water under the bridge. Seems both parties are over it. Good on Paul for not letting that kind of thing go on without confrontation.

[adam187]

SI Vault on Twitter sent out this picture of Paul Silas earlier today, before all this stuff went down:

https://twitter.com/#!/si_vault/status/192634638995427329/photo/1/large

BAMF

link: https://twitter.com/#!/si_vault/status/192634638995427329/photo/1/large

[ziggy]

Yeah DJ told me about this but I didn't want to break this it seemed serious enough like it would filter off of bcp and back to me...Silas was pissed at him for bullsh#ting with the other players and told him about it and Tyrus was said to tell Silas to gone ahead with all that and silas didn't like his attitude so he told him to leave the locker room and he was suspended. Tyrus didn't budge and looked at him like make me leave Silas walked over to him flipped him out of his chair and jumped on to of him and was about to start punching the shit out of him but the players pulled him off. What's so old school and pimping about it is once that Silas got off of him he pushed everybody off and said i'm cool you better be lucky they pulled me off ya young ass... they paying you 24 mil over the next 3 yrs and you are not worth a dollar of that money...lmao

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w301/bobcatsplanet/16f9b242-55fc-4b04-8f34-aedc12051a5.jpg

[Katmandu]

I'm no fan of Tyrus Thomas. He's seven feet and about $24 million of wasted potential. But Thomas is young enough to recover if he can get his head straight.
I think this looks bad on Silas. Even though I already thought that the team had to make a change, I do like Silas and think that he's a decent coach. I hate to see his career end this way.

[dnbman]

SI Vault on Twitter sent out this picture of Paul Silas earlier today, before all this stuff went down:

https://twitter.com/#!/si_vault/status/192634638995427329/photo/1/large

BAMF

link: https://twitter.com/#!/si_vault/status/192634638995427329/photo/1/large


I heard this was him in the parking lot:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_3lx6MOW0B7k/S88P4iAbI1I/AAAAAAAAANk/hYKdcGRSS7g/s1600/vlcsnap-2010-04-19-19h58m20s236.png

[ziggy]

If I were Paul Silas, I would make them play this as my theme music whenever I was announced at games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWdf3aaLCNE

[skratch]

lololol silas really got personal about tyrus not being worth as much as we pay him? haaa atleast he isnt the only one who notices and tells the truth. we need to just amnesty him he will never live up to what he was drafted as and how much were paying him hes a bust, he couldnt do it in CHI even with the green light and he'll never do it in charlotte. he hasnt even put on weight since he been in the league

[BETCATS]

Stop with all the "ship him out" talk. IF you want to ship out all the people on our roster who haven't played to what they could every night, we basically are cutting the whole team except Bismack. Nobody had given consistent effort. Tyrus's injury has really affected him. I had a feeling this year was going to be a down one for him. Due to the constant flashes of what he once was, I am confident he will get back on track for next year. If he doesn't then maybe we should explore other options.

I really like that Paul doesn't take that crap though. He is guilty of it too by letting his son coach. That wouldnt happen unless he knew the season was lost. But between this and the Boris conflict, at least the young guys will know that they still are being held to a standard. Our season is a disaster. We might be the worst team in NBA history when it is all said and done. But Paul's coaching this year will at least (hopefully) keep the mindset of the guys optimistic enough that we can have a resurgence in 1-2 years.

[Chef]

what wasn't reported was that matt carroll was pissing all over himself in the corner of his locker when he saw how angry silas got at tyrus's perceived lack of earning his salary.

hey guys, at least we didn't give up a future #1 for him and sign him to ridiculous (at the time and now preposterous) contract. oh wait...

[spectre]

Wonder who told Woj?

I'm going against the grain with most on this one...Silas was in the wrong IMO.

First off, Tyrus has been a HUGE disappointment to say the very least. However...these last few games especially (and I'm pretty sure including that Celtics' game) he's been a dynamo coming off the bench defensively. He's still part (mostly) knucklehead, but compare that to some of the players who have obviously checked out a few games back.

This season has been a nightmare for us and I can't imagine what the players have had to go thru personally. All these articles that are coming out (Are Bobcats worst team ever blah blah blah)? I'm numb to them now...don't even make me mad. It doesn't take long to realize that even if you have a plan you believe in you still suck this damn bad right now. If I stayed as pissed off throughout as I was at the beginning of this fiasco I'd have already had a stroke.

These guys aren't in any kind of race and they shouldn't be expected to stay in playoff mode...especially now. Tyrus came in and made a difference with his energy and Silas wants to pick on him of all people for talking to the opposing players in a not unfriendly way?

It's also none of Silas' business what Tyrus gets paid. Go bitch at Jordan...the guy who gave him the stupid contract.

Very unprofessional IMO and I don't see why Tyrus was even fined as he did nothing wrong. How long would most take an ass chewing in front of everyone before you start defending yourself? He "snapped" back, stood up and then Silas shoved him towards his locker?

Sorry for the long one.

[TheBeagle]

Yeah DJ told me about this but I didn't want to break this it seemed serious enough like it would filter off of bcp and back to me...Silas was pissed at him for bullsh#ting with the other players and told him about it and Tyrus was said to tell Silas to gone ahead with all that and silas didn't like his attitude so he told him to leave the locker room and he was suspended. Tyrus didn't budge and looked at him like make me leave Silas walked over to him flipped him out of his chair and jumped on to of him and was about to start punching the shit out of him but the players pulled him off. What's so old school and pimping about it is once that Silas got off of him he pushed everybody off and said i'm cool you better be lucky they pulled me off ya young ass... they paying you 24 mil over the next 3 yrs and you are not worth a dollar of that money...lmao Love it! Paul got shanghaied by MJ and has had to suffer all year because of it, and lord knows Tyrus has had something like this coming to him since he was re-signed, so I'm glad Paul got to take out his frustrations on Tyrus. Catharsis is a good thing.

Definitely agree with Musatchio....don't reward Tyrus by amnestying him.

[JGib23]

The thing about amnestying Tyrus is that some team will sign him for at least 2 million or so ( maybe more) so that great reduces our financial commitment for someone that won't help if we keep him.

I would rather erase him entirely from our salary cap and owe him 4 million per over the next 3 seasons vs. Have him eat up our salary cap space and owe him 6 million per while making a minimal impact on the floor and is a distraction in the locker room.

[teej]

I can't believe I defended the decision to resign this asshat over Felton. I'm sorry but this is un-excusable, get his ass out of here now!!

Felton has been just as much of a disaster in Portland. And he would've had a longer deal with more cash here.


I'm no fan of Tyrus Thomas. He's seven feet and about $24 million of wasted potential. But Thomas is young enough to recover if he can get his head straight.
I think this looks bad on Silas. Even though I already thought that the team had to make a change, I do like Silas and think that he's a decent coach. I hate to see his career end this way.

Agreed. Paul is supposed to be a leader and elder statesmen, not someone who beats the shit out of his players. That's bush league. More on that in the reply to spectre.


Wonder who told Woj?

$10 says Tyrus or someone in his camp. What better way to excuse a poor season than to show that your coach is trying to hurt you?


I'm going against the grain with most on this one...Silas was in the wrong IMO.

Is it still against the grain if I agree with you? :biggrin:


First off, Tyrus has been a HUGE disappointment to say the very least. However...these last few games especially (and I'm pretty sure including that Celtics' game) he's been a dynamo coming off the bench defensively. He's still part (mostly) knucklehead, but compare that to some of the players who have obviously checked out a few games back.

This. He may be stupid, he may not understand what Paul wants him to do, and he may be a liabilty to the team, but when he hits the hardwood, he plays HARD. The whole time. That's a pro and a con, but Paul preaches effort and fast break and all that, yet the one guy who does that all the time, he hardly plays and then tries to fight.


These guys aren't in any kind of race and they shouldn't be expected to stay in playoff mode...especially now. Tyrus came in and made a difference with his energy and Silas wants to pick on him of all people for talking to the opposing players in a not unfriendly way?

Mmhmm. It's not like Tyrus was handing them the ball and saying "here, friends, please score on me!" like Byron and DJ White do. And Tyrus is the type of personality that doesn't respond well at all to what Paul did. He needs to be talked to like an adult, not a 5-year-old. Thank God Stephen understood that and played him 20 minutes against NoLa.



Very unprofessional IMO and I don't see why Tyrus was even fined as he did nothing wrong. How long would most take an ass chewing in front of everyone before you start defending yourself? He "snapped" back, stood up and then Silas shoved him towards his locker?

No, I think Tyrus was fined for not getting out of the room when Silas told him to. But more because you can't fine just Silas, that takes away all his power. And while he was wrong on this one, as long as he's Head Coach, he has to be able to exercise control of the team.

For the record, Tyrus has been horrid this year in all aspects of his game. I shudder when I see him try a jumper or dribble or back his man down. But you can't make him better by beating him to the ground, you have to treat him like the sensitive guy he is and fix it that way. Paul doesn't get that there is talent to be mined, not just a waste.

[Mustachio]

Wonder who told Woj?

I'm going against the grain with most on this one...Silas was in the wrong IMO.

First off, Tyrus has been a HUGE disappointment to say the very least. However...these last few games especially (and I'm pretty sure including that Celtics' game) he's been a dynamo coming off the bench defensively. He's still part (mostly) knucklehead, but compare that to some of the players who have obviously checked out a few games back.

This season has been a nightmare for us and I can't imagine what the players have had to go thru personally. All these articles that are coming out (Are Bobcats worst team ever blah blah blah)? I'm numb to them now...don't even make me mad. It doesn't take long to realize that even if you have a plan you believe in you still suck this damn bad right now. If I stayed as pissed off throughout as I was at the beginning of this fiasco I'd have already had a stroke.

These guys aren't in any kind of race and they shouldn't be expected to stay in playoff mode...especially now. Tyrus came in and made a difference with his energy and Silas wants to pick on him of all people for talking to the opposing players in a not unfriendly way?

It's also none of Silas' business what Tyrus gets paid. Go bitch at Jordan...the guy who gave him the stupid contract.

Very unprofessional IMO and I don't see why Tyrus was even fined as he did nothing wrong. How long would most take an ass chewing in front of everyone before you start defending yourself? He "snapped" back, stood up and then Silas shoved him towards his locker?

Sorry for the long one.


The way you put it, I'd almost agree. I don't like Tyrus, but I do think he's had plenty of opportunities to quit on the team(cept that huge contract), yet everytime he gets in the game he goes hard. But I guess I'm just old school. What ever the coach says, goes. And its hard to get mad at a coach (no matter how poorly he acted) when he is trying to get his players to play harder, earn their contract, and take this job seriously. and clearly Tyrus isn't doing 2 of those things.

Also we don't see what goes on behind the scenes... Tyrus doesn't appear to be getting a lot of work in the gym cause he's still stick skinny and his game isn't getting any better. Maybe Paul sees more than this little laugher with the Celtics and had had enough. like you aren't getting any better, you get paid a massive amount and you aren't contributing... and then you go laugh it up with the enemy?


and Teej mentioned that Tyrus is a sensitive player and needs to be taught that way. That may be true... but Tyrus has 9 million reasons a year to get over his sensitivities. This is a mans game... time to start acting like one.

[Plowright]

Does Tyrus go that hard? Really? I am not saying he doesn't try but I would never pick him out for giving outstanding effort. He tries to block everything as he knows he is only gonna play 15 mins so it doesnt matter about fouls. He came into the season out of shape according to reports, he has never bulked up like he should have. He strikes me as someone who has no desire to be as good as he can be, but thats jsut me. Also the reason he got fined was he pushed Silas, you can't physically push your head coach. Also Woj will not have broken the story from TT's camp as the title was "Thomas pushes Silas" This instantly makes Thomas look like the bad guy. Also, how can our beat reporter not be able to get this info? fml Bonnell

[SWedd523]

Thomas doesn't "go hard". He just looks like it because he's a gigantic spaz. If he "went hard" then he wouldn't be a bust.


#whosfault #workharder

[Mustachio]

getting some run in GQ for this... weird. Its almost as if we are getting more attention for being bad than we would have for making the playoffs

http://www.gq.com/blogs/the-q/2012/04/whats-really-at-stake-in-the-bobcat-battle.html

[QC Thundercats]

Tyrus is an enigma, wrapped an a riddle, shrouded by mystery.

We all know or have met people who are just.... off. I don't think he's a bad person, I just don't think the logic in his head is quite the same as most people. As I think ballwhore once said, he called a fan that was heckling him out to meet him in the tunnel after the game.

It's weird though cause he cheers his ass off for teammates, and he does bust his ass while hes in. I've been shocked to see how hard he goes after blocks, dives on the ground, and attacks the offensive boards.

He is a complete spaz, but he does go hard. He's a bust because he's just not that good.

[SWedd523]

He's fast, he can jump, he can block shots and be a good help side defender, he has a solid jumper to 15 feet, can put the ball on the floor a little bit. He has all the talent he needs to be a difference maker. He's just a spaz.

If you want to see somebody who goes hard, watch Bismack.

[adam187]

just another reminder that the mental/psychological aspect of the game can be just as important as all those physical tools.

[QC Thundercats]

He's fast, he can jump, he can block shots and be a good help side defender, he has a solid jumper to 15 feet, can put the ball on the floor a little bit. He has all the talent he needs to be a difference maker. He's just a spaz.

If you want to see somebody who goes hard, watch Bismack.

I guess its all semantics. I agree that he has all the physical talent and basic skillset to be successful, but if you can't put it together, then you're just not good.

Elite physical talents/athletes that didn't work: James White, Stromile Swift, Earl Clark, Anthony Randolph, Gerald Green, (although he may be figuring it out years too late.)

Good Athletes with very good skillset: J.R. Rider, Rashad McCants, Lamar Odom (he's here because he has superstar, multi-year all star talent, but couldn't mentally put it together.)

I think Tyrus had the toolkit to be like an Antawn Jamison or Lakers Odom, but he couldn't put it together and is therefore not a good player in the NBA.


just another reminder that the mental/psychological aspect of the game can be just as important as all those physical tools.

Yeah....See also Eddie Griffin and his unfortunate demise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Griffin_%28basketball%29

[Pepperz]

Thats why we need to make sure that the next person we draft or pick up in FA has a strong head on their shoulders while having the physical gifts for the game. I want people that want to get better. I want people that want to be great. Being just a playoff team is not good enough.

Im a panthers fan so a guy like Cam newton comes into town and just changes the mentality of the team. I want something like that.

[TheBeagle]

He's fast, he can jump, he can block shots and be a good help side defender, he has a solid jumper to 15 feet, can put the ball on the floor a little bit. He has all the talent he needs to be a difference maker. He's just a spaz.

If you want to see somebody who goes hard, watch Bismack. Exactly! Running around like a spaz does not a hard worker, high-effort player make. His neurons misfire too often to attribute his running and jumping around to effort...he's just a nut. Biz is, like Swedd says, the epitome of going hard: tireless, enthusiastic and doing these things with a purpose.


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As for what Paul did being unprofessional. Absolutely. But I think he had every right to do it and I'm glad he did.

[bozzy]

There's lots of talk in this thread about TT's effort and overall play this year. However, I don't think that has anything to do with what happened with him and Silas. Dumping on your own team during a game to the opposing players is extremely disrespectful to your teammates and as far is Silas is concerned crossed a line. My guess is the other players weren't too pleased with it as well. I'm not sure Silas reacted the best way possible but you can't let attitudes like TT ruin the rest of the team.

[spectre]

Dumping on your own team during a game to the opposing players is extremely disrespectful to your teammates and as far is Silas is concerned crossed a line.

Is that what he did? I was under the impression he was just talking/joking with them.

If they were joking about us it'd be a different matter (even tho we have been pretty much a joke this season).

[Chef]

Is that what he did? I was under the impression he was just talking/joking with them.

If they were joking about us it'd be a different matter (even tho we have been pretty much a joke this season).

i imagine the whole thing went down like this. with silas playing nino, stephen as the brother, najera as the stuttering dude and of course tyrus as the light skinned dude at the 235 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qeX1DkKqDA