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DawgBark
04-19-2012, 07:52 PM
Portland's 2 Lottery Picks which will likely be #7 from New Jersey and there pick will be around #11?
With #7 Overall draft Harrison Barnes so you have your 6'8 225 small forward of the future. He may not be an all-world athlete but his game fits the NBA much better than it fit the UNC system.
With #11 Overall draft Jeremy Lamb so we have a 6'5 185 SG that can create his own shot, get to the basket and defend any shooting guard in the league with his 7'4 wingspan.
Those two players would instantly improve the Bobcats 3-point shooting and overall ability to score.
Then, with the 31st overall pick you draft either Fab Melo (7'0 250) or Festus Ezeli (6'11 255). Either one of those players could come in and play as a reserve center right away.
Then sign free agent Antawn Jamison who is averaging 17.5 points 6.3 rebounds and is a career 35% three point shooter and can really stretch floor. I would also like to see Charlotte let D.J. Augustin walk and sign a Kirk Hinrich. I would also Amnesty, Corey Maggette if I had 2 first round picks.
Then I would fill out the roster with a few other players like Jamie Skeen, a Charlotte native who is playing overseas that is a 6'9 235 forward with great 3-point shooting range. Or someone like Mike Scott a 6'8 235 forward from Virginia that is likely to go undrafted. He has an interesting game for the NBA.
Then you have a depth chart that looks like
PG: Kemba Walker/Kirk Hinrich
SG: Gerald Henderson/Jeremy Lamb
SF: Harrison Barnes/Reggie Williams/Tyrus Thomas
PF: Antawn Jamison/Byron Mullens/Tyrus Thomas
C: Bismack Biyombo/Byron Mullens/Melo or Ezeli
While this team may not get the Bobcats to the playoffs I think they'd be a lot of fun to watch.
DawgBark
04-19-2012, 08:13 PM
or trade for New Orleans 2 Lottery picks which will likely be #3 and #10.
With the #3 Overall draft Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (6'6 230) who I think will be an elite SG that will start out his career as a SF.
With #10 Overall draft Tyler Zeller (7'0 250) which brings a pick and pop center, an excellent rebounder, and a real low post game.
Then with the 31st overall pick I would draft Darius Miller (6'8 235) SF out of Kentucky that has great athleticism, an NBA ready body, and can flat out shoot the ball.
Then sign free agent Antawn Jamison who is averaging 17.5 points 6.3 rebounds and is a career 35% three point shooter and can really stretch floor. I would also like to see Charlotte let D.J. Augustin walk and sign a Kirk Hinrich. I would also Amnesty, Corey Maggette if I had 2 first round picks.
Then you have a depth chart that looks like
PG: Kemba Walker/Kirk Hinrich
SG: Gerald Henderson/Reggie Williams
SF: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist/Darius Miller/Tyrus Thomas
PF: Antawn Jamison/Byron Mullens/Tyrus Thomas
C: Bismack Biyombo/Tyler Zeller/Byron Mullens
Whiz Kid
04-19-2012, 08:30 PM
I'm not sure if we SHOULD do either one of those trades or not, but both of them are nice. I've been thinking about the option of passing up Anthony Davis and just getting some solid players. I definitely think that we could live with passing up Anthony Davis by going with one of these options. I'd really like to see Jamison in a Charlotte uniform for the last 2-3 seasons of his career and so would and apparently so would he. I like these trades and I wouldn't be upset with either of them if they happened
Don't get me wrong....I would NEVER trade the option of getting Anthony Davis. I just need to clarify that. All I'm saying is that those are solid options.
SWedd523
04-19-2012, 08:31 PM
Absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
you are correct sir.
here is why. davis is being compared to tim duncan in career arc ie a potential hall of famer and franchise player. duncan was in a decent draft class, alot like this one. check out what the two trade scenarios in this thread would/could have gotten you. feel free to swap out any player from below the intended pick ie 3rd slot can pick any player up to 6.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_NBA_Draft
you would never ever ever make that trade.
or do it for the 2003 draft which was even stronger
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_NBA_Draft
or the 1992 draft which you could have (at the time made a case) that getting #2 and a top 10 would be acceptable
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_NBA_Draft
point is for every oden or 1984 draft there are many more examples of not trading the pick in a million years for the best possible result.
Veteran_Picksetter
04-19-2012, 09:14 PM
I would not trade Anthony Davis for any other 2 players in this draft. Assuming he physically matures as any 19-year-old should, he is CAN'T MISS to be a top notch starter in the league, and possible All-Star game participant. Everybody else has too many question marks.
That said, I appreciate all of the posts here. If we DID trade the number 1 for 2 lower picks, I would try to look on the bright side. We COULD get 2 solid future starters with those picks, but there would be no guarantee.
Barnes and Lamb could be nice. So could MKG and Zeller. They COULD be. But they're all too much of a risk. Go with the guy who looks like Marcus Camby with an infusion of Kevin Garnett--Anthony Davis.
DawgBark
04-19-2012, 09:42 PM
I like Anthony Davis a lot and I think he will be a very good if not great player...but the Bobcats need soooo much! We need an infusion of talent at every position on the roster in my opinion. If we do draft Davis then I hope we can add at least two or three high quality free agents like O.J. Mayo, Michael Beasley, and Jamison...
or do you just draft Davis and a guy like Darius Miller in the 2nd round and hope you are bad enough again to end up with a Top 3 pick in 2013 and draft a Shabazz Muhammad, James McAdoo, or Quincy Miller??
and then you can factor in that the Bobcats will likely be getting Portland's 1st round pick in the 15-20 range and they could also get a P.J. Hairston, Reggie Bullock, or Alex Polythress type in the 2nd round...
SWedd523
04-19-2012, 11:10 PM
I wouldn't trade Davis for any combination of Robinson/Beal/Gilchrist/Lillard/Lamb/Drummond/Sullinger/Barnes/Marshall/Henson/Zeller.
Take the most sought after player since Oden and move on to next year's draft.
SWedd523
04-19-2012, 11:12 PM
I like Anthony Davis a lot and I think he will be a very good if not great player...but the Bobcats need soooo much! We need an infusion of talent at every position on the roster in my opinion. If we do draft Davis then I hope we can add at least two or three high quality free agents like O.J. Mayo, Michael Beasley, and Jamison...
or do you just draft Davis and a guy like Darius Miller in the 2nd round and hope you are bad enough again to end up with a Top 3 pick in 2013 and draft a Shabazz Muhammad, James McAdoo, or Quincy Miller??
and then you can factor in that the Bobcats will likely be getting Portland's 1st round pick in the 15-20 range and they could also get a P.J. Hairston, Reggie Bullock, or Alex Polythress type in the 2nd round...
You're thinking too short term. The goal isn't to win 40 games next year. The goal is to get a high pick every year until we assemble the best young team possible.
Veteran_Picksetter
04-19-2012, 11:26 PM
Draft Davis this year.
Compete hard , play youngsters, and go 20-62 in 2012-13. That would seem like paradise after THIS season. (Or win over 50 games according to Larry Brown)
Hopefully grab Shabazz Mohammed in 2013. Pick up a decent free agent. Boom. We could be on our way.
Veteran_Picksetter
04-19-2012, 11:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEzuC5UoM8g&feature=related
Plowright
04-20-2012, 12:40 PM
Nononononono
DawgBark
04-20-2012, 03:36 PM
We have to win more than 20 games next season or this franchise is in major trouble...There has already been a mass exodus of fans...and the Panthers are probably going to be a good to very good team which is bad news for the Bobcats...
We have to win more than 20 games next season or this franchise is in major trouble...There has already been a mass exodus of fans...and the Panthers are probably going to be a good to very good team which is bad news for the Bobcats...
no we don't. i would "lose" all of our corporate fans over the next 3 years and assemble a young championship caliber team than get cold feet and do a half a rebuild. if and when we can field a championship caliber team, i guarantee you the stands will be full and we will have pages of pages of discussion in the thread titled: I hate these bandwagon fans, Why did they jack up prices on STH just because we are good now and, my personal favorite, "Would you rather watch all of our games on the local feed or do you prefer the TNT and ESPN guys?"
Plowright
04-20-2012, 04:32 PM
If we became a championship contender I think all the corporate fans would come straight back
SWedd523
04-20-2012, 08:36 PM
We have to win more than 20 games next season or this franchise is in major trouble...There has already been a mass exodus of fans...and the Panthers are probably going to be a good to very good team which is bad news for the Bobcats...
We're currently 25th in attendance and were hovering around 15th for the first half of the season. We're averaging less than 1000 fewer people than last year. That says a lot considering how terrible the team has been. People still buy tickets. It isn't where MJ wants it to be, I'm sure, but I assume he's willing to deal with it in order to build a better team.
Don't forget he's going to be pulling in more money from the league when the new CBA kicks in.
adam187
04-21-2012, 03:47 PM
if we didn't get #1, i could easily get excited about any of the trades listed. people have been saying the picks #2 through #14 or so in this draft could all be around equal quality (give or take), in which case quantity might be the way to go; however, the #1 pick is sooo much better than any of those, it's ridiculous. you can't win the whole thing without a franchise player and he is our best shot at getting that.
I am completely in the camp of drafting Davis if we have the opportunity and living/dying as a franchise based on his growth.
I would be extremely hesitant to trade him for any package.
You know all of the BS that goes along with being a Bobcats fan this season? I am not going through this with a smile to get "possible" stars or role players, I am going though this to get a home run. If we get the opportunity to draft Davis (25% chance) then we HAVE to take him and move onto next season with a sense of accomplishment.
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