Larry Brown has more things to say about MJ

[Plowright]

Is this bad blood or the truth? A mixture I assume. However, we all know about MJ's inner close knit inner circle.

Interesting comments from Larry Brown on Dan Patrick Show on his time with Bobcats and MJ.


LB on MJ: "He had people around me that made me sick. ... It was almost like they were spies."

One more LB quote on MJ: "He's around people who don't have a clue."

LB also said that he and Patrick could play with Anthony Davis and win 50 games.

[DY_nasty]

LB didn't have a clue when it came to personnel decisions... He was just fine as a coach, but he did terrible when it came to making moves and evaluating players.

[KembaSlice]

Based on what MJ has done so far, it's hard not believe LB. I'm just putting all my hope and trust in Cho.

[ND22]

Its not secret he is surrounded by lackeys, but he is still speaking from a couple years ago. Cho wasn't around back then. And let's not forget that HE is part of that UNC system as well.

[King Taharqa]

And not a bad word about Bob Johnson?

But? but? but? I thought Bobcat Johnson was Satan himself and the worst pro sports owner ever?

[superb1]

I don't think his anger is pointed towards MJ himself. It maybe the people he has around him. We are in the news for losing only because of MJ being the owner. If he was not the owner, we would get press but not at this magnitude. I don't understand how only we here know what is going on. Why is it that everyone is ready to point out how bad we are and blame MJ, but this is after the decision was made to to tank to get better. LB, Barkley, reporters etc. should see and understand what we are doing here but maybe they want the soptlight of saying MJ sucks as an owner. hahaha. But if we get Davis, and begin to turn it around, then they will come kissing MJ's ass, saying how good he is as an owner. Really I would not be upset if we did not get Davis. Cho is the man here rebuilding this thing. Not Jordan, he gives the right away and sign the checks, not Rod, which is why he was pushed further upstairs. (should have been fired, but he's a FOM) LB was a coach who need a team catered to him style and I think Rod making the personnel moves is what F$%$% things up. LB is not or did not want a rebuilding or stay under the cap team. Actually Rod probably needs to man up about how this team has been ran pre-Cho era.

[Scottley Crue]

Three simple words my Dad taught me come to mind in this situation:

Consider the source.

After doing that, I have five words of my own to add:

Move on and move forward.

[BobCatsFanInTx]

This team did not tank. They quit on Paul Silas and to not see that makes you blind. Yes Paul Silas could have coached better but at the end of the day the Screech or Urkel characters could have coached this team to more wins than Paul Silas because they probably would have gotten more out of the players.

It does bother me how people are quick to lay this rebuilding teams terrible season off completely on MJ and his hiring of friends. Even with Paul Silas getting through to the team the team would have had a great chance at the first pick. Our team is not so bereft of talent they ended up losing so many games by 20+ and 30+ and only were able to win 7 games. That goes beyond tanking. Silas was not just following orders to tank. MJ never would have wanted a season like this.

Regardless of who is coaching our team there is no way Anthony Davis is some instant super star that makes us win 50 games. Those talking that shit regardless of their years of NBA experience "ala Larry Brown" are idiots. Maybe this team wins 28 to 30. Maybe. I doubt we win that many unless the team makes a few more changes aside from who they draft.

[Plowright]

I have, Larry Brown is a primary source. He has been in the position very few have the opportunity of being in. He will have seen everything MJ does, the good bad and ugly. You cannot just say because he got fired he is not a credible source thats just naive.

Also, @Superb if he is angry at the people around MJ they are all people he hired so he does have responsibility for their actions.

look at this hit back from Jordan : "I’ve come to accept I’ll be scrutinized more than any other owner,’’

“It’s absolutely wrong that I don’t want guys to challenge me.'' Much more coming ASAP

"Did we want to chase the most Ping-Pong balls (in the May 30 draft lottery)? No way.’’

Michael Jordan on Larry Brown: “He had a lot of input on whatever we did. I never sidestepped him in making a decision.''


SO WAIT WAIT WAIT. this suggests MJ is trying not to tank!? Maybe he is actually trying to win haha. I love that he has to tell the media that we are trying to "win"

[Mustachio]

So Larry, I guess the Knicks management and Philly before them and coming soon to a campus near you... SMU officials will be the blame for the shit storm you're terrible personnel decisions cause. Passing the buck to someone is always the easy way out. Shows what kind of guy he is. And why pray tell does everyteam you work for, immediately get better once it cuts ties with you?

Jordan isn't a bad owner and we are in much better place having Jordan as owner than without... no matter what Bob Johnsons son King Taharqa says.

People are making a bigger deal about all this than needs be. The Bobcats are a small market expansion team that hasn't had a whole lot of anything go its way. We built a playoff caliber team, realized with the talent and cap situation that it wouldnt get any better than that, so they blew it up. It was the smart decision, as much as it sucks to deal with now. But its what we have to do to be great. period

[superb1]

I have, Larry Brown is a primary source. He has been in the position very few have the opportunity of being in. He will have seen everything MJ does, the good bad and ugly. You cannot just say because he got fired he is not a credible source thats just naive.

Also, @Superb if he is angry at the people around MJ they are all people he hired so he does have responsibility for their actions.




look at this hit back from Jordan : "I’ve come to accept I’ll be scrutinized more than any other owner,’’

“It’s absolutely wrong that I don’t want guys to challenge me.'' Much more coming ASAP

"Did we want to chase the most Ping-Pong balls (in the May 30 draft lottery)? No way.’’

Michael Jordan on Larry Brown: “He had a lot of input on whatever we did. I never sidestepped him in making a decision.''


SO WAIT WAIT WAIT. this suggests MJ is trying not to tank!? Maybe he is actually trying to win haha. I love that he has to tell the media that we are trying to "win"

But you can look at his history, he has started out jobs great then he rubbed everyone the wrong way and then he is either fired or quits, so must we forget his legacy, great coach but he can be funny acting too.
i read that he was throwing shots at Rod mainly, also MJ hired him, sounds like a scorned lover

[superb1]

Also why are all these scorned lovers coming out of the closet now. I guess MJ knows who to keep close to him, his FOM. LB and Ham Biscuit did not cut it so they throw shit on the Bobcats and MJ when they are down. None had crap to say before the beginning of the season though. LB and HB got fired and went crying with their tails between their legs. Now you got something to say. LB got a new man (job) now he can look back and talk shit. And Charles Barkley, are you mad cuz MJ hired Oakley instead. IDK, just kidding.

[Mustachio]

Also why are all these scorned lovers coming out of the closet now. I guess MJ knows who to keep close to him, his FOM. LB and Ham Biscuit did not cut it so they throw shit on the Bobcats and MJ when they are down. None had crap to say before the beginning of the season though. LB and HB got fired and went crying with their tails between their legs. Now you got something to say. LB got a new man (job) now he can look back and talk shit. And Charles Barkley, are you mad cuz MJ hired Oakley instead. IDK, just kidding.

I know you're kidding but its true. Where is Sam Vincent right now? is he winning championships for another team I don't know about? no. He's no longer coaching anything. Larry Brown is now coaching a school that hasn't been relevant since the first ice age when he left them the first time. No NBA teams came a calling after he dismantled his 3rd straight NBA franchise. And he sure didn't say no to Michael either when a job offer came along did he? So who's the yes man now?

[CLTHornCats]

Bottom line with Larry Brown is that he absolutely guts the core of every team he's coached in recent memory. Brown is a great X's and O's guy, but he always has to have "his guys"...guys that "play the right way". I'm sorry, but I didn't realize Raja Bell, Boris Diaw and Theo Ratliff were necessities to building a contender in the NBA.

Larry Brown rarely leaves a team in better condition than when he found it. The Bobcats are a perfect example. He tries to accelerate the growth of a team by trading for aged vets to win now. The Bobcats get ripped for drafting poorly, but maybe that's because the talent development, or lack thereof, is awful. Michael Jordan may very well suck as an NBA owner and talent-evaluator, but Larry Brown clearly doesn't look in the mirror when he wakes up each day. Pot, meet kettle.

[ND22]

Ben Swanson at Rufus On Fire brought up a good point about Brown:


The main problem I have with Brown's testimony is that he willingly ignores that the people there when he was coach were the ones saying yes to him. Brown is compulsively yearning for what we have come to know as "Larry Brown players," ie. defensive-minded versatile guys. The only issue is that these guys are often short in supply and the ones he wanted were overpaid. Then they had to fill the holes, like at center. So hello Gana Diop.

So Larry Brown, I used to like you but that was an error. Your willing ignorance of your own influence on the Bobcats' current position is facepalm-worthy.

http://www.rufusonfire.com/2012/4/25/2974685/larry-brown-king-of-spite-returns-and-the-quiet-evolution-of-mj

It's well known that Larry Brown wanted DJ Augustin when MJ and Co. wanted Brook Lopez, so its quite ironic that he's calling the front office yes men to MJ when all of them conceded to his pick.

[BlockParty]

Larry: The guys around him don't have a clue

4 letters to prove Larry was the most vocal of 'the guys around him' that didn't have a clue: D I O P

Larry ran the price up on Diop in the summer he was hired, and forced Dallas to sign him to a hideous contract, which we traded for 2 1/2 months into the season because Larry was throwing a tantrum about how good of a defensive player Diop is. We sent Matt Carroll's $5M declining contract and Ryan Hollin's $1M expiring contract for Diop's $6 escalating contract. Matt Carroll's contract is down to $3.5M and Diop's will be $7.5M next year.

[DY_nasty]

Wait... did someone really defend Bob Johnson in this thread?

[BobCatsFanInTx]

So Larry, I guess the Knicks management and Philly before them and coming soon to a campus near you... SMU officials will be the blame for the shit storm you're terrible personnel decisions cause. Passing the buck to someone is always the easy way out. Shows what kind of guy he is. And why pray tell does everyteam you work for, immediately get better once it cuts ties with you?

Jordan isn't a bad owner and we are in much better place having Jordan as owner than without... no matter what Bob Johnsons son King Taharqa says.

People are making a bigger deal about all this than needs be. The Bobcats are a small market expansion team that hasn't had a whole lot of anything go its way. We built a playoff caliber team, realized with the talent and cap situation that it wouldnt get any better than that, so they blew it up. It was the smart decision, as much as it sucks to deal with now. But its what we have to do to be great. periodI think you got it wrong to a certain degree. Larry Brown has a history of turning teams around. He leaves them better than when he took them over. Not based on personnel decisions or how he manages the rosters but based on how he actually coaches which after all is his job. Coach Brown has rarely had the kind of control he has desired and thus when he felt teams were taken as far as he could take them he would move on. I can not blame him. Twice Larry Brown took NBA teams to the NBA Finals and both times he was given much more freedom and control. With the Pistons he won it all. So to say that he leaves teams better is true. That would not be a cut down but a compliment. Kind of like how Jimmy Johnson left the Cowboys and his team won a championship with Barry Switzer. All Switzer had to do was basically maintain the team and do little to change what Jimmy Johnson did. The same can be said with coaches who take over teams previously coached by Larry Brown.

There is no need for bitter pills when the only time our Bobcats were relevant was when Larry Brown coached them. If there is anger to be had it should somewhat go toward his excellence MJ and the people who for the most part oversaw our Bobcats to the point it is in now. Had the team not spent tons on players who were not worth what they received we would not be in a rebuild mode.

[adam187]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0912/nba.coaches.outfits.70s/images/larry-brown(2).jpg

that's all i have to add to the conversation

[Mustachio]

I think you got it wrong to a certain degree. Larry Brown has a history of turning teams around. He leaves them better than when he took them over. Not based on personnel decisions or how he manages the rosters but based on how he actually coaches which after all is his job. Coach Brown has rarely had the kind of control he has desired and thus when he felt teams were taken as far as he could take them he would move on. I can not blame him. Twice Larry Brown took NBA teams to the NBA Finals and both times he was given much more freedom and control. With the Pistons he won it all. So to say that he leaves teams better is true. That would not be a cut down but a compliment. Kind of like how Jimmy Johnson left the Cowboys and his team won a championship with Barry Switzer. All Switzer had to do was basically maintain the team and do little to change what Jimmy Johnson did. The same can be said with coaches who take over teams previously coached by Larry Brown.

There is no need for bitter pills when the only time our Bobcats were relevant was when Larry Brown coached them. If there is anger to be had it should somewhat go toward his excellence MJ and the people who for the most part oversaw our Bobcats to the point it is in now. Had the team not spent tons on players who were not worth what they received we would not be in a rebuild mode.


That Bobcats team would have made the playoffs if Fine Ham Biscuit was coaching them, thats what the team was designed to do and it was the ceiling. Larry had plenty of control, too much even. thats what kills me about Larry saying Jordan has yes men. Jordan said yes to Larry Brown constantly and its what got us where we are now. Then when Jordan says No to Larry, he ends up fired. He made sure we took DJ Augustine, made sure Tyrus was resigned to a huge contract, acquired Diop, and loved Diaw. All 4 major reasons why we were the worst team in history this year. Larry Brown added nothing to this franchise. thats not sour grapes or bitter pills either, his play the right way was a nice slogan. But under his guidance, the team got older, tighter cap situation and less talented. Those moves were pulled off by the front office for sure, but from all accounts those transactions were his doing. He did not leave this team better than he found it. Can you please name a player that was better off for Larry Brown being here. Was it Raymond? DJ? Diop? Diaw? Tyrus?

[QC Thundercats]

Larry Brown, the tortured basketball genius. If he didn't have to be a head coach, he would've been the greatest assistant coach of all time. If only he and his brother Herb could've switched roles.

LB has a nasty combination of bad personality traits: an inferiority complex, anal retentiveness, an insatiable need for ego stroking, grass is greener syndrome, compulsive lying with a revisionist view of history, speaking without a filter or any forethought, an absolute and unbending stubbornness, and a general need for a lifetime of hugs. Other than that, he's a charming guy.

Someone at my gym played with Nazr Mohammed in college and is real good friends with him. He told me that when LB was hired, Jordan went into the locker room and told the team that they will do everything Larry says, or they're gone. Sounded like he trusted Larry to take control of the team and have heavy input. Besides the fact that all the draft picks were a direct result of Larry Brown's sudden infatuations.

He may have loved Felton after the fact, but he didn't even like him before he started coaching. Everyone knew we needed a center and should've taken Lopez, but because he didn't think Felton was a true point, he had to get his shiny new toy DJ. Then after he soul-crushed DJ, he decides, "hey, I do like this Felton kid after all, oops." And then he was the reason we traded a future 1st rounder to get the 20th pick for a big man. He thought either McGee, Hibbert, Speights or Ajinca would be available, and by 20, only Ajinca was left. If he wasn't blinded by Ajinca's "versatility" and "potential", he could've gotten Deandre Jordan instead, who had fallen from a potential top 10 pick to the second round.

(As a headshaking aside, if he had done his homework and evaluated the point guards before making a rash decision, he could've had Lopez and/or Jordan, then drafted Ty Lawson the next year.)

Then of course, the Diop move, Boris and Raja move, Okafor move, and Tyrus trade and resigning, were all because of Larry, because Jordan trusted Larry's knowledge and evaluation and got the pieces he asked for. I don't believe for a second that he had no input on personnel moves.

And Larry's persecution complex seems to cloud his memory of his finicky, flip-flopping wishy-washness. After his first year coaching the Bobcats he already was thinking about retiring or taking a job with another team, the Sixers! Even though, as Larry had said:


"I have a great job here. I love Charlotte, I love working for Michael, I love coaching. I don’t think there are many places where I’ve been as comfortable, and I’ve been in some pretty special situations.and


My guess? Brown ultimately gets it worked out on the homefront. And he stays in Charlotte. Maybe only for one more year, maybe for two to fulfill the original contract he signed with Jordan.

That's just my gut reaction, after watching Brown interact with Jordan and other Bobcat employees Wednesday at the golf tournament at Quail Hollow. You could see the affection there. Brown loves what he's doing and who he's working for.

Read more here: http://scottfowlerobs.blogspot.com/2010/04/tortured-soul-of-larry-brown.html#storylink=cpy
Hmmmmmm, forget much Larry. Really sounds like people spying on you. Seemed that you loved everybody here, yet YOU still wanted to leave.

Two months later:


Brown, meanwhile, has gone into “Bizarro Larry” mode. Moody. Unpredictable. One hand seemingly on the nearest door.and


1) Brown really hasn’t made up his mind for sure on whether to return. Certainly possible, although it would make his comment April 30 (at his last previous team function before Friday) that “I don’t want this to drag on” seem laughable. It’s been five weeks now since Brown said that.

2) Brown already knows he’s going to return but he wants something. Not talking Friday was a message to team owner Michael Jordan: “Give me x (some perk, or some roster maneuver, or something) and I’ll say publicly that I’m back and we’ll be done with all this.”

Read more here: http://scottfowlerobs.blogspot.com/2010/06/cmon-larry-brown-talk.html#storylink=cpy
You wonder why the most close-knit basketball family in all of college basketball has ostracized him. He's not very loyal, and has a problem with his lying. And why say something after all these years. Just take your new job and take the high road with your past grievances.


http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0912/nba.coaches.outfits.70s/images/larry-brown%282%29.jpg

that's all i have to add to the conversation

And then there's this:
http://www.remembertheaba.com/OnlyintheABAMaterial/FashionGuide/LarryBrown/BrownRainbowSweater.jpg

[spectre]

QC you've been on fire lately man. Spot on yet again.

1st in D. Say whatever you want about the guy but he made that happen. He also taught the guys the game...first time EVER in our history where it didn't appear we were not using "The Idiot's Guide to Iso Street Ball".

We need that again something fierce. Just have to find it in someone without all the issues.

[bobcatsflow]

Harsh sounds like bad blood to me.

[TheBeagle]

Larry: The guys around him don't have a clue

4 letters to prove Larry was the most vocal of 'the guys around him' that didn't have a clue: D I O P

Larry ran the price up on Diop in the summer he was hired, and forced Dallas to sign him to a hideous contract, which we traded for 2 1/2 months into the season because Larry was throwing a tantrum about how good of a defensive player Diop is. We sent Matt Carroll's $5M declining contract and Ryan Hollin's $1M expiring contract for Diop's $6 escalating contract. Matt Carroll's contract is down to $3.5M and Diop's will be $7.5M next year. Nothing more needs be said concerning Larry as BP's post speaks for itself.

But still...fuck off, Larry.

[Sik Infant]

Larry Brown is a joke, I used to really like him up until he left Philadelphia, C'mon people don't fall for this BS....This is the same guy who was trying to get an interview with the Cavs about their open GM spot when he was coaching Detroit in the finals!!! What a douche, he is just bitter he has burned all his bridges and been blackballed from the NBA.