Henderson, Biyombo and Walker

[SJackson1]

I think these 3 players are the foundation to the Bobcats future for years to come, a point guard, a shooting guard and a center. If we got Anthony Davis in the draft we would have a very talented Power foward to go with these other 3 guys.

Kemba Walker Rookie Year - 12.1 PPG, 4.4 APG, 3.5 RPG in 27 MPG

Bismack Biyombo Rookie Year - 5.2 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 1.8 BPG in 23 MPG

Both Kemba and Bismack had great rookie seasons for us and i think they will get better and better as they get more experienced in the NBA. Biyombo averged 1.8 BPG in 23 minutes, if he played 30+ minutes he would average well over 2 a game !

i hope we stick with these 3 players because they are very talented and they just need experience

[Bosnian-Bobcats-Fan]

Totally Agree

[Dcarnys]

Theres some great potential with these players. Cant wait to see how it pans out.

[Sik Infant]

It's crazy to think that Deandre Jordan averaged two more points and one more rebound per game than rookie Biz in his fourth season and got 11m per year....crazy

Biyombo also plays the better post D of the two, this should show how valuable Bismack Biyombo is to our future.

[dnbman]

Both Kemba and Bismack had great rookie seasons

I wouldn't say that had "great" rookie seasons, but I feel very good about their ability to contribute in the future, especially Biyombo.

I think Kemba, BB, Henderson, and Mullins are all guys worth having in our future plans. That doesn't mean I wouldn't trade any of the or that we need to sign them for a lot of money.

[superb1]

Funny thing though, everyone look at and make fun of how we are the worst team but never have I seen anything about how he have a few gems that we can build upon to help turn this team around. They look at the team and each player as a whole to be disappointments. I want Anthony Davis but I don't want him mainly because we are going to get better next year, no doubt. But not because we have AD, but because we have Biz, Kemba and Hendo here too. We need them to shine next year along with AD, so people can see it is the team not one player that makes a difference.

[dnbman]

Funny thing though, everyone look at and make fun of how we are the worst team but never have I seen anything about how he have a few gems that we can build upon to help turn this team around.

They haven't really been gems on a consistent basis, which is why they didn't get a lot of press. All of them have big question marks (Kemba's size and shooting, Biz's offense and D IQ, Hendo's seemingly low ceiling); they haven't exhibited the type of play that you look at a 7 win team and say, "well, they have ____; they'll be o.k." There's the real possibility that none of these guys turn into primary contributors on our eventual upswing. (I believe they will, though.)

That's not to say we shouldn't value our guys and be glad for the young talent that we have. I'm just not surprised that we didn't get more attention for our guys, especially when you consider that a LOT of rookies (and even d-league guys) had stand out games this season.

[Chef]

of those three 2 are solid future starters. 1 is at his peak right now. so i would say we still do not have a core.

[Zoolander]

Biyombo cannot contiue to be an offensive liability standing around the free throw line. He has to start knocking down that jump shot. Otherwise we're always gonna be outnumbered on the offensive end. I wish he'd grow about two more inches too...

[Veteran_Picksetter]

I still rate them as follows:

1. Gerald Henderson. I don't see how people can say he's hit his ceiling or has a low ceiling. If you figure an NBA starter plays 33ish minutes a night, Gerald has completed the equivalent of 116 games. He sat out last offseason due to the corrective surgery, leaving him unable to work on his game. So he's basically in the midst of NBA year 2, experience-wise. The guy has length. He can run and jump. He's not afraid of confrontation. He took a while to become good in college as well. He grew up with golf as his primary sport, so he's still learning.

2. Biyombo. Length and strength. Eventually the perfect guy to come off the bench for a winner and guard both PF's and C's. Maybe even start a little. All he can do now is block shots and dunk, but his work ethic and toughness offer hope.

3. Kemba Walker. The game of Wing Slasher in a 6'0ish body. If he never learns to shoot, he'd better learn to distribute(I think he can). It'd be nice if he learned how to do both. I'd be thrilled with one or the other. At least he has blazing speed and quickness......

[skratch]

When i view our team i still dont see us having a core, when i look at the top 5 worst teams ours is the only one who still doesnt have a player to build around. Sac has Cousins, evans, & isaiah, D.C has Wall & nene, Cleveland has Irving, N.O has Gordon, NJ has lopez and some nice youth. Davis would fit very nicely on any of those teams because he would have a counterpart. Even detriot has Monroe. Bismack & davis combo wont even compare to a monroe & davis or Cousins & Davis.

[SWedd523]

When i view our team i still dont see us having a core, when i look at the top 5 worst teams ours is the only one who still doesnt have a player to build around. Sac has Cousins, evans, & isaiah, D.C has Wall & nene, Cleveland has Irving, N.O has Gordon, NJ has lopez and some nice youth. Davis would fit very nicely on any of those teams because he would have a counterpart. Even detriot has Monroe. Bismack & davis combo wont even compare to a monroe & davis or Cousins & Davis.

How long have those teams been in the cellar though? Teams like Sacramento, Washington, and New Jersey have been bad for a very long time. Cleveland only looks good because they hit rock bottom after LeBron left and hit the jackpot with Kyrie. Detroit has been in a steady decline for a while now and got really lucky with Monroe.

This is our first real crack at being really bad. We aren't supposed to have a core, we traded it all away.

[itsbcbaby]

If those 3 players are the core of any NBA team, you are in BIG trouble.

Hendo is a middle of the pack starting 2-guard.

Kemba is an undersized guard best suited for a 6th man role.

Biyombo is so raw it's hard to tell but I highly doubt he turns into an offensive minded big at any point in his career.

[WAM9]

If those 3 players are the core of any NBA team, you are in BIG trouble.

Hendo is a middle of the pack starting 2-guard.

Kemba is an undersized guard best suited for a 6th man role.

Biyombo is so raw it's hard to tell but I highly doubt he turns into an offensive minded big at any point in his career.

I agree that that is a poor core today. Actually, with that core, you end up with the worst winning % all time so your point is well taken.

What you have to consider is what these 3 guys will looks like in 3-5 years. While I don't expect this to be our "core" by then, these guys will look a lot better as a group after they have ahd a couple of years to mature.

[ohara831]

I think those 3 a very valuable piceces. But what is needed is a "superstar" to lead them. And if all goes right on 5/30, and we get the #1 pick, our future turns the corner. When people think of Anthony Davis, they usually concentrate on what he does as far as scoring, rebounds and defense. But even better is the impact he will have on the other players on the team. Easier time around the basket for Biyombo, Kemba's assist numbers increase, and Kemba should be in a position to get to the rim a bit more. Defenses packing in should make it easier for Hendo to take his man and get better shots in that 10-12 ft range. A "superstar" picks up his entire team by just his presence and what he can do. If we get Davis, you will see a significant increase in the games of Kemba, Biyombo and Hendo. And that will make this team much much better and more exciting. You saw Cam do it for the Panthers. I would expect Davis to have a similar impact on the Bobcats.

[Chef]

I think those 3 a very valuable piceces. But what is needed is a "superstar" to lead them. And if all goes right on 5/30, and we get the #1 pick, our future turns the corner. When people think of Anthony Davis, they usually concentrate on what he does as far as scoring, rebounds and defense. But even better is the impact he will have on the other players on the team. Easier time around the basket for Biyombo, Kemba's assist numbers increase, and Kemba should be in a position to get to the rim a bit more. Defenses packing in should make it easier for Hendo to take his man and get better shots in that 10-12 ft range. A "superstar" picks up his entire team by just his presence and what he can do. If we get Davis, you will see a significant increase in the games of Kemba, Biyombo and Hendo. And that will make this team much much better and more exciting. You saw Cam do it for the Panthers. I would expect Davis to have a similar impact on the Bobcats.

here's the biggest problem with your theory. davis is at least 3 years away from being a solid scorer in the nba IF he ever is. i agree that he has HOF potential but mainly on the defensive end for a few years. by that time, hendo will be just about done. i am not sure kemba will ever be anything more than an instant offense type guy (but no need to debate that here as we have pages of that elsewhere). additionally, hendo will need to be paid next year and will likely cost too much for his value to our team. if we can get a pick out of him, particularly a jeremy lamb type, I would take it.

[SJackson1]

Biyombo is 19 years old lol, by the time he's 26 he would have played 7 seasons in the NBA so he has alot of time to develop

[bes628]

eh. Hendo is average at best. Kemba will more than likely only ever be average. Biyombo...he will have a spot because of shot blocking ability's but he's pretty much a liability every where else on the court.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

here's the biggest problem with your theory. davis is at least 3 years away from being a solid scorer in the nba IF he ever is. i agree that he has HOF potential but mainly on the defensive end for a few years. by that time, hendo will be just about done. i am not sure kemba will ever be anything more than an instant offense type guy (but no need to debate that here as we have pages of that elsewhere). additionally, hendo will need to be paid next year and will likely cost too much for his value to our team. if we can get a pick out of him, particularly a jeremy lamb type, I would take it.

Gerald, just under 24.5 years old, should be fine for 5 more years. Maybe 7 more if he dramatically improves his shooting. So that gives a 2-4 year overlap where Davis could be an all-around player and Gerald is still effective in the league.

It wouldn't break my heart if we traded Henderson for an unproven Jeremy Lamb. But even as early as next year Henderson and Davis could make a nice tandem since Davis will likely be a high quality starter as a defender and rebounder.

Maggette thinks Henderson can be an all-star. We'll see.

Maybe if Kemba can learn to either shoot or distribute, he can be a starter. IF. He ought to be a decent backup, at least.

[Mustachio]

It seems like to me some of you guys watch too much sportscenter. and if our players arent on there every night, then by god they must be terrible. you gotta look past skin deep.

I can't see what some guys miss in Kemba. Was he a superstar this season... no. Would Jordan have been a superstar in his rookie year on this team... No. Kemba is going to be fine, and in fact better than fine. No pre-season, very little practice time, and a tanking team. How could you be anything other than completely stoked about how good he looked, despite probably the worst possible situation any rookie point guard could be placed into?

Biyombo is 19. 19 years old. 19. He is a teenager, and put in a pretty dang good season, for all that was going against him this year. Same crap team situation Kemba was in, except Biyombo had no 12 years of basketball to prepare him. Getting acclimated to the NBA, America, starting, all in a shortened season without practice on a team that was barely trying. As stoked as I am about Kemba you can multiply it by 2 for Biz.

Henderson is like Vet said... still basically in his sophomore season. And has shown some takeover ability despite not having one single consistent offensive threat on the floor with him. Add in Davis like ohara said and its starts to gel. There is a ton of positivity to look at on this crap team, whether you choose to see it or not is on you. If you look to Sportscenter for your analysis then you wont ever be happy pulling for a small market team.

[Chef]

It seems like to me some of you guys watch too much sportscenter. and if our players arent on there every night, then by god they must be terrible. you gotta look past skin deep.

I can't see what some guys miss in Kemba. Was he a superstar this season... no. Would Jordan have been a superstar in his rookie year on this team... No. Kemba is going to be fine, and in fact better than fine. No pre-season, very little practice time, and a tanking team. How could you be anything other than completely stoked about how good he looked, despite probably the worst possible situation any rookie point guard could be placed into?

Biyombo is 19. 19 years old. 19. He is a teenager, and put in a pretty dang good season, for all that was going against him this year. Same crap team situation Kemba was in, except Biyombo had no 12 years of basketball to prepare him. Getting acclimated to the NBA, America, starting, all in a shortened season without practice on a team that was barely trying. As stoked as I am about Kemba you can multiply it by 2 for Biz.

Henderson is like Vet said... still basically in his sophomore season. And has shown some takeover ability despite not having one single consistent offensive threat on the floor with him. Add in Davis like ohara said and its starts to gel. There is a ton of positivity to look at on this crap team, whether you choose to see it or not is on you. If you look to Sportscenter for your analysis then you wont ever be happy pulling for a small market team.

the argument that he is "basically in his sophomore season" is not a good one. he has had 4 years of practice in the league, played in 4 different seasons and had multiple professional level injuries. he is a four year player period. further, i believe he has peaked as a player. not that he is bad, but he is hardly a core type guy. would he be a good fit on okc as the 4th offensive look in a thebo role, absolutely. would he be considered a top 2 guy on any contending team, no way in hell.

kemba can't shot for shit. yes he had tired legs, yes there wasn't much practice but he can't shoot. can't shoot wide open, can't shoot off the dribble, he can't shoot at the level he needs to to be a bonafide star in the league. that is why i say he more an instant offense type guy.

biz, i am impressed with, but he does have a long way to go. as i have said in the past he has DPOY potential as a shot blocker but needs to get much much better elsewhere on defense before that is even close to a possibility.

i don't even watch sportscenter and i hate that argument. it is the same as "do you even watch the games"? it is juvenile and insulting.

[Mustachio]

the argument that he is "basically in his sophomore season" is not a good one. he has had 4 years of practice in the league, played in 4 different seasons and had multiple professional level injuries. he is a four year player period. further, i believe he has peaked as a player. not that he is bad, but he is hardly a core type guy. would he be a good fit on okc as the 4th offensive look in a thebo role, absolutely. would he be considered a top 2 guy on any contending team, no way in hell.

kemba can't shot for shit. yes he had tired legs, yes there wasn't much practice but he can't shoot. can't shoot wide open, can't shoot off the dribble, he can't shoot at the level he needs to to be a bonafide star in the league. that is why i say he more an instant offense type guy.

biz, i am impressed with, but he does have a long way to go. as i have said in the past he has DPOY potential as a shot blocker but needs to get much much better elsewhere on defense before that is even close to a possibility.

i don't even watch sportscenter and i hate that argument. it is the same as "do you even watch the games"? it is juvenile and insulting.


I think the argument is a good one. Yes he is a four year player, with 3 offseasons (didnt get an offseason last year). I can understand the argument that he has peaked (even though I really don't agree with it) but even if he has is that so bad? The top 2 guy on any contending team is kind of a straw man argument as we don't really know. He's only ever played with the Bobcats (a team that has been awful). But again I'll concede that and say... so what. Not every player in your core has to be the top 2 guy on someone elses team. you can have core role players ya know. whats wrong with having good pieces?

Kemba has 3 years at UCONN with over 40% FG numbers. Kobe has made a living around 40% for his career. Am I saying Kemba will be a Kobe type superstar. of course not. I'm just saying its incomplete to say he can't shoot after one particularly bad season in which nothing was going for him. You seem to think its over for him, and I don't see it like that. Chauncey Billups is a potential hall of fame point guard.. he ended his rookie year shooting .37 Kemba ended his rookie season .36 . Jason Kidd - .38 . Is Kemba going to end his career known as the greatest shooter who ever lived... no probably not. Is it entirely possible that he gets better like Billups and Kidd and becomes the point guard we need. Absolutely.

[TheBeagle]

How long have those teams been in the cellar though? Teams like Sacramento, Washington, and New Jersey have been bad for a very long time. Cleveland only looks good because they hit rock bottom after LeBron left and hit the jackpot with Kyrie. Detroit has been in a steady decline for a while now and got really lucky with Monroe.

This is our first real crack at being really bad. We aren't supposed to have a core, we traded it all away. Definitely. We have pieces but it's way too early in the process to discuss the concept of the core. Maybe after next season, depending on the development of our pieces and who we get in the draft and what kind of season he has, can we give a better assessment of who is shaping up to be part of the core.

[Chef]

I think the argument is a good one. Yes he is a four year player, with 3 offseasons (didnt get an offseason last year). I can understand the argument that he has peaked (even though I really don't agree with it) but even if he has is that so bad? The top 2 guy on any contending team is kind of a straw man argument as we don't really know. He's only ever played with the Bobcats (a team that has been awful). But again I'll concede that and say... so what. Not every player in your core has to be the top 2 guy on someone elses team. you can have core role players ya know. whats wrong with having good pieces?

Kemba has 3 years at UCONN with over 40% FG numbers. Kobe has made a living around 40% for his career. Am I saying Kemba will be a Kobe type superstar. of course not. I'm just saying its incomplete to say he can't shoot after one particularly bad season in which nothing was going for him. You seem to think its over for him, and I don't see it like that. Chauncey Billups is a potential hall of fame point guard.. he ended his rookie year shooting .37 Kemba ended his rookie season .36 . Jason Kidd - .38 . Is Kemba going to end his career known as the greatest shooter who ever lived... no probably not. Is it entirely possible that he gets better like Billups and Kidd and becomes the point guard we need. Absolutely.

just to clarify my previous post the argument is juvenile and insulting, not you.

i think we agree mostly. i have no problem with hendo on the team going forward if he is properly paid (5-6 mil) and we aren't not (yeah double negative) drafting or acquiring sg's because "that position is not of need". he is a solid nba sg, no doubt about it.

as for kemba, i never intended to say he was garbage. i don't think he is a solid starter and see him as a bench guy. he just doesn't impress me as a point guard. i still want him on the team particularly to see if he can prove me wrong with a full second season.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

the argument that he is "basically in his sophomore season" is not a good one. he has had 4 years of practice in the league, played in 4 different seasons and had multiple professional level injuries. he is a four year player period.

Are you actually a Bobcats fan? Please explain how Gerald is a 4-year nba player. He just completed his THIRD season, as he was drafted in 2009. He had one NBA offseason before year 1. He barely played under Brown. He had another offseason after that. He then got minutes under Silas. He sat out the next offseason for surgery. So that makes two total nba offseasons in which he was actually active, if you count the offseason after college.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

It seems like to me some of you guys watch too much sportscenter. and if our players arent on there every night, then by god they must be terrible. you gotta look past skin deep.

I can't see what some guys miss in Kemba. Was he a superstar this season... no. Would Jordan have been a superstar in his rookie year on this team... No. Kemba is going to be fine, and in fact better than fine. No pre-season, very little practice time, and a tanking team. How could you be anything other than completely stoked about how good he looked, despite probably the worst possible situation any rookie point guard could be placed into?

Biyombo is 19. 19 years old. 19. He is a teenager, and put in a pretty dang good season, for all that was going against him this year. Same crap team situation Kemba was in, except Biyombo had no 12 years of basketball to prepare him. Getting acclimated to the NBA, America, starting, all in a shortened season without practice on a team that was barely trying. As stoked as I am about Kemba you can multiply it by 2 for Biz.

Henderson is like Vet said... still basically in his sophomore season. And has shown some takeover ability despite not having one single consistent offensive threat on the floor with him. Add in Davis like ohara said and its starts to gel. There is a ton of positivity to look at on this crap team, whether you choose to see it or not is on you. If you look to Sportscenter for your analysis then you wont ever be happy pulling for a small market team.

Man, I appreciate you defending me on the Gerald Henderson thing. And I don't know where Chef gets the idea that Henderson is a 4-year player since he was drafted in 2009 and 2012 minus 2009 equals 3. And throw in the fact that he didn't play much under Brown.

BUT, I gotta disagree with one thing. YES, Michael Jordan would have been a superstar as a rookie even on THIS team. He had a bad supporting cast as a rookie and still took the league by storm. Pretty sure Dave Corzine was their starting Center. In the words of Chuck Daily back then, "He's literally embarrassing the league. He's THAT good."

[Veteran_Picksetter]

just to clarify my previous post the argument is juvenile and insulting, not you.


What's insulting is that you added an unknown year to Gerald Henderson's career in order to make your argument against me. But I'll assume it was an honest mistake....

[Chef]

What's insulting is that you added an unknown year to Gerald Henderson's career in order to make your argument against me. But I'll assume it was an honest mistake....

chill out. mentally swapped dj and hendo draft years 5 min before we left for the hospital for baby number #2. false alarm anyway. still doesn't change my thoughts on him. he is about as good as he will be.

oh and you got me, i have just been pretending to be a bobcats fan to hang out with all of you guys.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

chill out. mentally swapped dj and hendo draft years 5 min before we left for the hospital for baby number #2. false alarm anyway. still doesn't change my thoughts on him. he is about as good as he will be.

oh and you got me, i have just been pretending to be a bobcats fan to hang out with all of you guys.

I wracked my brain thinking, "Am I somehow reading this wrong??" Well if you are in the midst of dealing with someone's pregnancy/impending childbirth, I can understand....

[Veteran_Picksetter]

In addition to liking his potential/length/athleticism, I also have sentimental attachment to Henderson, even though I'm a UNC fan. That's because we had screwed up in a few drafts before him, and then we finally got it right with a number 12 pick--of all things--in 2009. Not to mention grabbing D Brown in round 2. We actually had our heads on straight for a draft night. I like to hold on to that memory because it eased the pain of our 2008 debacle of a draft night.

[SWedd523]

You seem to be oddly attached to Henderson...

[Toocool]

Someone who seems to love Hendo as much as me.
How interesting.

Congratz on the baby Chef! Well...it's still cooking in the oven now but any day now I'm sure it'll be ready to come and you'll have your hands full!

[Chef]

Someone who seems to love Hendo as much as me.
How interesting.

Congratz on the baby Chef! Well...it's still cooking in the oven now but any day now I'm sure it'll be ready to come and you'll have your hands full!

thanks. another girl. lord help me in 12 years.

[Chef]

I like to hold on to that memory because it eased the pain of our 2008 debacle of a draft night.

what, taking a 5'10" point guard over a proven 7 foot center wasn't a good idea? to be fair, I didn't want lopez either but it certainly wasn't to take dj.

the thing that is most annoying is the man who orchestrated that draft is now part of the parade of armchair quarterbacks who are criticizing mj for his poor drafting.

[SWedd523]

thanks. another girl. lord help me in 12 years.
Dang, two girls! Are you going to keep trying for a boy or stop here and not risk a third girl

[Mustachio]

Congrats Chef!

[Veteran_Picksetter]

what, taking a 5'10" point guard over a proven 7 foot center wasn't a good idea? to be fair, I didn't want lopez either but it certainly wasn't to take dj.

the thing that is most annoying is the man who orchestrated that draft is now part of the parade of armchair quarterbacks who are criticizing mj for his poor drafting.

Yeah, LB needs to shut his yapper.

I happened to watch a lot of PAC-10 in 2007-08. It had OJ Mayo, Russell Westbrook, Darren Collison, Kevin Love, the Lopez twins, Ryan Anderson, Kyle Weaver, Devon Hardin(who was highly rated going into the season) Chase Budinger, Taj Gibson, and Jarryd Bayless. What an incredible conference that year. Brook Lopez was suspended before conference play, and averaged something like 18 and 9(?) with the remaining season. Those were stats against top-flight collegiate competition with good bigs in the league--not the cupcake portion of the schedule. His size and length were tremendous.

So I nearly went ballistic when DJ's name was called.

Also, at the time we desperately needed a stretch 4, and Ryan Anderson was available with the Ajinca pick. Oh well.

[Veteran_Picksetter]

You seem to be oddly attached to Henderson...

Thanks for noticing. I like his hair line.

But seriously:

Great length and good athleticism for a 2guard.
Hitting 46% as perimeter player.
Averaging 15 points a game in one of the worst offenses ever, without teammates to play off of or command attention.
Plenty of nba players have gotten better after year 3.
He's a Bobcat draft pick who could actually warrant his draft selection and stay here, providing a little stability.
He doesn't appear to be a knucklehead.
Players and coaches around him seem to believe in him.

[SJackson1]

he definatley has the ability to be an all star one day, we just need these players to gain experience and have a coach who can teach them stuff

[bes628]

he definatley has the ability to be an all star one day, we just need these players to gain experience and have a coach who can teach them stuff

I just don't understand that line of thinking.

[Toocool]

I just don't understand that line of thinking.

Switch the l and the e, so the line becomes 'he definately has the ability to be an all star one day'

No need to thank me, it's just what I do.
Sorry, had to do it :biggrin:

[BlockParty]

thanks. another girl. lord help me in 12 years.

Congrats Chef, good luck with getting sleep between now and training camp.

[ziggy]

thanks. another girl. lord help me in 12 years.

Chef,

I have a 12 year old daughter so I can speak from experience... In 12 years, you are in for it.

[dav7z]

Chef,

I have a 12 year old daughter so I can speak from experience... In 12 years, you are in for it.
Bad news Ziggy 12 is just the start . It starts getting better when they hit 30 . Bald and gray is what you got to look foward too. lol

[superb1]

thanks. another girl. lord help me in 12 years.

congrats, I got one and it is already bad enough and she is only 9. I already got the neighbor's kids trying to hang around.

[TheBeagle]

Congrats Chef! Congrats indeed! Hope the delivery goes as smoothly as possible.

[ohara831]

Congrats Chef! No greater gift from God than a child.

[Chef]

congrats, I got one and it is already bad enough and she is only 9. I already got the neighbor's kids trying to hang around.

i plan on stay cleaning this everytime a boy is around

http://eastcoastgunsales.com/admin/_ImageUploads/Product%20Images/21745.jpg

[JGib23]

Congrats Chef- we are having our 2nd child and just found out it's a girl. I'm scared to death.

Quite frankly, I can't understand how it happened... I ordered another boy and God got my order mixed up ;)

[TheDorkLord]

i plan on stay cleaning this everytime a boy is around

http://eastcoastgunsales.com/admin/_ImageUploads/Product%20Images/21745.jpg

Congrats ! I have an 11 year old daughter and yes the shotgun cleaning will be needed.